Brushing Up On Luke Hochevar
Seems like the afternoon slot on game day's a pretty good one to get in a pitcher preview. Though I wouldn't be upset if a reader were to skip out on Luke Hochevar 101. He's a Royal, how good can he be? To this hypothetical reader's credit, it's not like he's impressed much to this point. Anybody else really scared of a 5.58 ERA in 393 career innings? Me neither. But I'll argue he's probably better than that at this point in his career. All of the relevant projection systems have him pegged for a sub 5.00 ERA.
Meanwhile the Sox main lefty power threats are Adam Dunn and, I guess, AJ.* There's plenty of pop in the lineup, but it all comes at a platoon disadvantage. This Sox offense will be vulnerable to mediocre righties who happen to be spotting their stuff that day, same as most recent vintages. And yeah, Hochevar can do that. For his career, he's been right at average with about 3 walks per nine and like most righties, he's better than that against RHB.
Then again, Luke doesn't force** many whiffs. He tries to make up for it by groundballing enough with his myriad fastballs. Even though Royals Review insists he's only got four pitches, I think the default pitch f/x algorithm is closer to correct. My count is six: two-seamer, four-seamer, cutter, slider, curve and change. He likes to add and subtract, mix and match, which makes it tough to really tell what's what. None of the pitches are exceptional to my eye. If they were, you'd think he'd cut a few from his arsenal to focus on what he's actually good at.
Against lefty hitters, he stays inside more than a righty pitcher would like because his change isn't much more than a show-me. So he relies on his fastball medley, each of which are complementary as long as the location is good. On top of that, he likes to get freebies early in the count with unexpected changes and curves. On opening day, he froze Bobby Abreu on a two seamer inside after setting him up with a cutter in and a show-me curve. That's Hochevar at his best. He hit his spots well enough to get ahead and had Abreu off-balance with all those pitches to keep in mind.
But even at his best, the cutter wasn't where it belongs, under the hands. In fact, it was very hittable if Abreu had recognized it. Down and in is not a great place to be against major league hitters if they have any idea what's coming.
With righties, the slider becomes more of a weapon, but again: if it was great, he'd throw it more. Instead, he's able to mix it up enough that the pitch gets more whiffs than it might otherwise. The cutter is less useful against RHB, so the two-seamer and four-seamer get more time and he moves them back and forth, trying to keep the four up and the two down. With the hitter in a hole, he'll look for the K with the slider away or four-seamer above the hands. Otherwise, the idea is to get groundballs with the two-seamer. When he hits his spots, he'll look great. But if he can't get the umpire or the count on his side, he becomes a nibbler without an out pitch.
Which is more or less what happened to him in the 4th of the opener against Torii Hunter. Hochevar started the AB moving in and out, even getting a swing-and-miss on a sinker that had really nice bite. After that he tried to get Hunter to chase and ended up full when Torii wouldn't bite. Truth be told, they weren't that close and a better pitcher would have made a good strike and forced a swing. Having shown all of his best pitches, he went back to the trusty two-seamer, found too much plate and Hunter got all of it.
The Hunter AB was textbook if you're trying to beat Hochevar as a right handed batter. Don't chase and try to see as many pitches as possible. Once you've seen the arsenal, the repeats aren't nearly as hard to handle.
And fortunately, if you wait him out, he's very capable of missing over the middle of the plate. Which brings us to Jeff Mathis, he of the .199 career batting average. Mathis hit a bomb of his own in the 6th off a hanging curve that Hochevar never should have thrown. Fastballs would have been plenty for a guy with Mathis' bat speed, but the Hochevar I saw seems to be thinking about how he can steal strikes and get up early in the count. So that's the other salient in the right handed offensive: crush the mistakes. Once he gets ahead, he starts to nibble. Early in the count he'll try to be sneaky but safe since he knows what happens when he falls behind. Hence the unnecessary curve on 0-1 to Jeff Mathis.
If the Sox ever acquired him, I'm almost positive Coop would make him ditch two pitches and focus on really getting the most movement and location out of his best stuff. But he doesn't, so you get flashes of greatness. Great stuff at times. Great location at times. But mostly he's always trying to compensate for his perceived weaknesses rather than create a true strength for himself. He's the old cliché come to life to pitch in the bigs: jack of all trades, master of none.
*Career .434 SLG against RHP; if that's the standard Mark Teahen qualifies.
**Without the stupid pun, that'd read "induce" but here we are.
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Will AJ have to choke a bitch?
I mean, can anyone get over the fact that he is starting? Let’s move on. Fer Chrissakes.
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Kiss my ass, dogg.
I’m siccing PR on you at the methup. Your “chef” will not be able to protect you.
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AJ was just on Jim Rome.
Tied with Thurman Munson for games caught. No DL stints in his career. He is durable.
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by winningugly on Apr 5, 2011 3:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
munson was just as durable through his 32nd birthday.
ultimately, however, he turned out to be not so durable after all.
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by BuehrleMan on Apr 5, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I cannot stop chuckling.
I’m going to hell, I know. Ultimately.
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by winningugly on Apr 5, 2011 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
chuckling doesn't seem like something you can't stop doing
seems like it has a natural life of 3 or 4 breaths.
by Trooper on Apr 5, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
you can put it on the boooooooaaaaard.........yessssssssssssss
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uh why i got to be in this conversation
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by pierzynskirules on Apr 5, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Can anyone mention AJ without your becoming part of that conversation?
I, for one, have not seen evidence to support such a hypothesis.
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by DrEmilioLizardo on Apr 5, 2011 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
ugh, i'm making a list
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by pierzynskirules on Apr 5, 2011 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah!
we can compare them in six weeks…
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by BuehrleMan on Apr 5, 2011 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes
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by pierzynskirules on Apr 5, 2011 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Santa?
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by DrEmilioLizardo on Apr 5, 2011 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
who tf is santa?
i’m too old for that mess and I buy my own stuff
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by pierzynskirules on Apr 5, 2011 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
ms. murtaugh, i presume.
I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.
hmmm
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by pierzynskirules on Apr 5, 2011 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
just wait
Shoeless will walk into it eventually for you
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by blackoutsox on Apr 5, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
you lousy, double-whoshing sons of bitches
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by Shoeless In SC on Apr 5, 2011 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
he hasn't exactly been amazing against us for his career
but he’s avoided giving up HR.
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i'm sure this will jinx him
but i like Q against Hochevar. his slider is good, but I’ll bet he won’t use it enough to neutralize Quentin.
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i like to think i am partially responsible for the bad pun
after our convo yesterday
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
i am pretty sure that is the case, yes
i didn’t start actually writing it for a while after that, but it got stuck in my head.
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My cousin (who I brought to the methup last year)
sent me this, for all of you who are tired of the “Waiting for Peavy” BS. Look about 2/3 of the way down at the title “Peavy Determined To Pass Mark Prior As MLB’s All-Time Leader In Simulated Games”.
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"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
i was just giving the standard wu response to anything involving peavy
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
and in a weird side note
if you search wu’s comments for “zzz” and then just keep adding z’s, you get differing results.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
or + viagra
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by DrEmilioLizardo on Apr 5, 2011 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
All three of the Royals wins came in their final at-bat.
That is all.
UZR: Oh the underwear I’ve seen.
Sox lineup: Pierre - LF Beckham - 2B Dunn - DH Konerko - 1B Rios - CF Quentin - RF Pierzynski - C Ramirez - SS Morel - 3B Floyd -- RHP
man, dropping omar after his performance last time out.
i thought they’d keep him in, y’know, show of faith and all that.
Was that last year or '09?
biceps-deep in fungible pumpkins.
by homesickalien on Apr 5, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Your face sucks.
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by winningugly on Apr 5, 2011 3:53 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah i don't think i did too many if any last year
i’ve been trying to get to a place where i’m not asking the numbers to say more than they can. i’m not totally abandoning the tables and pitch f/x (hochevar’s repertoire made those pretty useless), but i think this is a better presentation.
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No mention of his uni number?
44 is death to us, IIRC.
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it's in the picture
the original caption was awkward and related to it.
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dear BM,
the b-r individual boxscores list Q’s pitch counts as 13,11,14, which matches the 38 total of the other sites. Maybe their total is including milledge’s one pitch while batting in Q’s spot in the opener (the fuckers).
good call. thanks.
looks like mlb and fangraphs are right.
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i read that as a very sincere thanks. with some relief in your voice, too.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
it was.
but i am disheartened that b-r has erred.
"when the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea." ~~cantona
Its not a question of if Sox acquire Hochevar,
but when…
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
good work, colin.
every time i start sending repeated emails to the powers that be asking what the hell it is you do around here,
you write one of these and totally redeem yourself.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
yw
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
by MarketMaker on Apr 5, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If Carlos Quentin keeps up his pace
He’ll be worth 21 WAR this season.
See MFer! I'm not the only one!
Beware the cure isn't worse than the disease
by Chiburb on Apr 5, 2011 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
zipcode plz
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by pierzynskirules on Apr 5, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't find it either..
Just came on here to ask the same thing
by Grinder in Training on Apr 5, 2011 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
cltv
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by pierzynskirules on Apr 5, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Gracias.. it just says to be announced
by Grinder in Training on Apr 5, 2011 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
285
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by pierzynskirules on Apr 5, 2011 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
thanks
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by pierzynskirules on Apr 5, 2011 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
you're welcome
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by pierzynskirules on Apr 5, 2011 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
i'll tell you one fucking thing
down here in eci (east central illinois) i remember having some serious issues with comcast plus last year. issues as in when you went to their website it would say the game was on channel 2 on digital cable (and 285 for plus HD) and in reality the game was not on at all.
if that happens tonight i’m going to trash this place.
"when the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea." ~~cantona
i am so watching the news for this.
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by pierzynskirules on Apr 5, 2011 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rantoul was actually a modern urban oasis until BM got through with it
I’m in love! i found a replacement for Freddy!
by KenWo4LiFe on Mar 8, 2011
by South Side Expat on Apr 5, 2011 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions
ha! BM
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by pierzynskirules on Apr 5, 2011 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah,
it’s called rantucky now.
"when the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea." ~~cantona
you don't have fond memories of the budget review night?
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busey bank.............yes!
they got some of my money.
"when the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea." ~~cantona
looks like everything is under control.
csn+ coming in loud and clear.
"when the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea." ~~cantona
Mark Teahen pinch hits for Q in the 6th, or I'll eat my hat.
I feel you, Ozzie.
Right Sox aficionado since '83.
Rany on Hochevar:
I’m not predicting that Luke Hochevar is going to prove his doubters wrong by giving the Royals 200 innings with an ERA in the mid-3s. I mean, sure, it could happen. Hochevar was the #1 overall pick in the draft for a reason. He has four good pitches, and has just lacked the confidence in his stuff to put batters away in the past. And last season, he quietly put up some good peripherals – he had more than twice as many strikeouts (76) as walks (37), and surrendered just 9 homers in 110 innings. After Ned Yost gave him a public vote of confidence on May 15th, Hochevar had a 4.05 ERA in his remaining 10 appearances. I wouldn’t predict that he will have a season out of the Derek Lowe Collection, but if he maintains his confidence and his health this season, he certainly could.
http://www.ranyontheroyals.com/
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sounds right to me.
he’s going to keep getting chances to find himself if the Royals ever give up on him.
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Dunn FTW
Hochevar sounds exactly like the kind of guy that Adam Dunn destroys. Dunn’s big weakness is the strikeout, and you said Hochevar rarely gets swings and misses. His strength is patience, and “fortunately, if you wait him out, he’s very capable of missing over the middle of the plate.” Sounds like a ready-made combination for an Adam Dunn extra-base hit.
so what you're saying is;
Adam Dunn will go 4-4 with 4 HR and the sox will lose 5-4?
"There's too many (bleeping) guys on the computer. It's simple. I say that. Pete Rose never watched a computer. Rod Carew never did. All those hitters, they go out and see the ball, hit it and move on." - Ozzie
i wouldn't say "rarely" but he's a bit below average.
against Dunn, it’ll be all about location, especially on the second and third trips through the order. it’ll be interesting to see if he stays away, too, which isn’t his MO.
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I don't post a great deal on here
But I have been consistently reading for the last… 3 years or so. This was an awesome read, Colin. Thanks.
It’s not robbing Peter to pay Paul — it’s bludgeoning Peter to death, and then realizing on the way back that you forgot to grab his wallet.
And he has long, ginger hair!
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by Chiburb on Apr 5, 2011 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
he has red hair and he writes on a blog? double threat guy!
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