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White Sox Minor League Affiliates Preview Part Two: High Minors

Yesterday we took a look at the A ball affiliates.  Today, it's the high minors.

Birmingham Barons (AA, Southern League)

The jump from High A to AA is traditionally considered the most difficult transition in the minors.  Last season, LHP Charlie Leesman turned that adage on its head, at least statistically. At Winston-Salem, he had a line of 84.2 IP, 98 H, 44 BB, 39 K - clearly meriting a promotion to Birmingham, where his numbers improved across the board to 63.2 IP, 47 H, 20 BB, 51 K.  As the top (only?) lefty prospect in the organization, the White Sox will hope to see more of the latter in his return to the Barons.

The White Sox added RHP Nate Jones to their 40 man roster in the offseason.  While Jones has always had a very nice fastball, his development as a pitcher has been slow.  After resolving control issues that hampered him early in his pro career, he converted back to starting last season with the Dash and the 25 year old will only now be reaching AA.  The club obviously still sees the potential and Birmingham will be the proving ground for whether he's going to continue to progress.

RHP Gregory Infante, who got a taste of the majors last September, returns to the Barons bullpen.  He'll be taking over the closer spot.  Infante has good raw stuff but lacks control  RHP Dan Remenowsky is the opposite - his stuff isn't overwhelming but he knows how to throw strikes.  After suffering a season-ending injury to his right knee midseason while playing for the Dash, the jump to AA may be aggressive.  However, it's hard to argue with his results: 3 walks per 9, coupled with almost 14 strikeouts per 9.

C Josh Phegley is a "C" only in name.  He's just awful behind the plate.  While he certainly deserves a pass for last season after struggling with ITP, a blood syndrome that resulted in the removal of his spleen, it's hard to see Phegley ever panning out.  His offense would be good if he were a catcher.  But he isn't.  And his offense doesn't play at another position.

A player to watch: OF Brandon Short put himself on the radar after a very nice 2010 season for the Dash - .316/.365/.491 and he can steal a base.  He can't play CF, so he's going to have to continue to hit.  He's drawn comparisons to John Shelby III, so Short's transition to AA will certainly be watched, as that is where Shelby stalled.  While he's a hacker, too, Short, unlike Shelby, has quick hands.  I think he'll do better than Shelby did; not sure if that will ever get him to the majors, though.

Star-divide

Charlotte Knights (AAA, International League)

Like many AAA teams, the Knights roster will see the return of many players from last year.  Two formerly well-regarded prospects, C Tyler Flowers (follow him on Twitter) and CF Jordan Danks, will hope that their careers won't end up like other AAA lifers Alejandro De Aza, Gookie Dawkins and Dallas McPherson.  Flowers experienced the most dramatic drop in status after an awful .220/.334/.434 season, with a 35% strikeout rate for good measure.  After finding himself on numerous top 100 prospect lists going into 2010, he found himself well outside the top ten on White Sox prospect lists going into 2011 (though SSS retains more hope, ranking #5 on my list and #6 on Jim's list).  I don't think he's as bad as 2010 suggested - and I'm also more in the Sickels camp than the Goldstein camp in that his defense looks good enough to me - and an excellent spring has seen a change in the tenor of discussion about Flowers.  Of course, what amounts to about a week's worth of plate appearances doesn't mean much.  He'll need to continue it at Charlotte, where his strikeout rate will be the thing to watch.

Danks fell completely off some White Sox lists, though he continues to get favorable press from the White Sox despite not doing much of anything (Jim, of course, has his theory about why).  He's just never translated his tools into skills and he strikes out way, way too much for a guy with no power.  Like De Aza, he appears destined for AAAA status.

Dayan Viciedo, on the other hand, passed the test of both AAA and (arguably) the majors in 2010.  He's back in AAA most immediately because of a broken finger but mostly because he's learning a new position, right field.  While the White Sox likely will be hesitant to use up his final option when he completes his rehab assignment, it's difficult to find a place on the 25 man roster at this point.  The White Sox already sacrificed a 12th pitcher to keep Brent Lillibridge, so expect them to keep Viciedo in Charlotte for a couple months (barring injury on the major league club).  Despite his famously hacktastic offensive approach, though, he doesn't have much left to prove on offense and with his prior Cuban experience in the outfield the defensive transition shouldn't take long, either.

Like most of the rest of the system, the pitching for Charlotte leaves a lot to be desired.  Most notably, the only lefty is retread Wes Whisler, so it's pretty obvious why the White Sox spent on Will Ohman.  After that, you've got some amusing righty relievers like Jhonny Nunez and Anthony Carter.  Carter has command but lacks good raw stuff. Nunez continued to get strikeouts at a good clip last season for Charlotte but was a bit too hittable.  Neither projects as much more than bullpen filler at this point.

A player to watch: SS Eduardo Escobar is getting the now standard aggressive treatment after an impressive Arizona Fall League.  With only 216 PA for the Barons after a midseason promotion, AAA is going to be quite a test for Escobar.  There's no question about his defense, which is superb, but his .262/.294/.376 for the Barons certainly calls into question whether his offense is ready for the International League.  Supporters will point to the .300/.353/.536 he hit during the AFL but, with the middle infield of the White Sox set, there's really no need to be this aggressive with Escobar.

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The White Sox Minor League Update fanpost will be on the right rail all season long and provides daily updates of minor league games as well as news.  The weekly post will appear on the weekends and summarizes the week that was in the White Sox minor leagues.  Follow me on Twitter if you want even more coverage: http://twitter.com/SouthSidelarry.

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Dan Remenowsky turns 25 today.

I don’t recall your estimate of his upside (if any).
Thx.

Beware the cure isn't worse than the disease

by Chiburb on Apr 6, 2011 7:35 AM CDT reply actions  

What?!

If so – not good.

CST_soxvan Adam dunn had emercency appendectomy last night

The guy at the bank doesn't care how many trophies you've got!

by 67WMAQ on Apr 6, 2011 8:01 AM CDT reply actions  

More:
CST_soxvan Dunn will travel home with team and miss up to five days

The guy at the bank doesn't care how many trophies you've got!

by 67WMAQ on Apr 6, 2011 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Damn

I thought this was a joke relating to Matt Holliday’s appendectomy. Then I saw it reported on SBNation.

by ObsidianXIII on Apr 6, 2011 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

..

To me, clowns aren't funny. In fact, they're kind of scary. I've wondered where this started and I think it goes back to the time I went to the circus, and a clown killed my dad.

by TheIronSchenk on Apr 6, 2011 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Appendectomies: how long is he out? How will it affect his performance once he returns?

Fangraphs:

Looking at the numbers, there are no huge differences seen in production before and after the operation. With this small sample size, having an appendix removed doesn’t seen to alter a batter’s performance.

In conclusion, owners of Matt Holiday should expect him to miss around ~30 days due to the injury and his production should not suffer once he returns.

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by 67WMAQ on Apr 6, 2011 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

This goes from "crisis" to "pain in the ass."

I assume it’s Teabag/Milledge in RF while Q slots in as DH?

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by 67WMAQ on Apr 6, 2011 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

What a novel idea!

The guy at the bank doesn't care how many trophies you've got!

by 67WMAQ on Apr 6, 2011 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

acquire all kotsays!

To me, clowns aren't funny. In fact, they're kind of scary. I've wondered where this started and I think it goes back to the time I went to the circus, and a clown killed my dad.

by TheIronSchenk on Apr 6, 2011 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

If Q can wrap his head around it.

Was really looking forward to seeing a real life DH when i goto the game on Friday and now I am sure Vizquel will DH.

bobpuller lives

by Rhubarb on Apr 6, 2011 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jesus I really didnt know what the hell was going on.

Im like why do I give a fuck about Holliday?

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Apr 6, 2011 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he had the same thing done last Friday.

He plans on returning this weekend.

bobpuller lives

by Rhubarb on Apr 6, 2011 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I smell a conspiracy

  root canal surgery
  appendix removal

 Did someone slip something into their in-flight beverages after leaving Arizona?

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by greenlight on Apr 6, 2011 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

sweet jesus no!

i wanted to see him this weekend

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by blackoutsox on Apr 6, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

nice post larry

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Highly underrated, Mark Kotsay became the best defensive designated hitter in American League history in 2010.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Apr 6, 2011 8:16 AM CDT reply actions  

The pitching is bad

“Yes bad meaning bad not bad meaning good”

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by Tdogg on Apr 6, 2011 8:29 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

flagged love Kanye

but respect RUN DMC

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by Tdogg on Apr 6, 2011 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

It is certainly odd why they are pushing EE so hard

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by Shoeless In SC on Apr 6, 2011 8:39 AM CDT reply actions  

Agreed...

very curious. Thought he would get the majority of this year at AA. Doesn’t make a ton of sense to me. Anyone else notice he had a ton of errros in the AFL too? I know everyone rates his defense as awesome, but that caught my eye.

by polodude017 on Apr 6, 2011 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Crisis in the Appendix! Day 1

Continuing coverage.

Buster_ESPN From the White Sox, some better news on Dunn: He will be out up to five days; he had a laparoscopic procedure, and will travel with the team

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by 67WMAQ on Apr 6, 2011 8:44 AM CDT reply actions  

5 days sounds a tad optimistic, imo.

the biggest problem you have to worry about with these appendectomies is rupturing the abdominal muscles and causing hernias. A strong, twisting motion like swinging a bat is going to put pressure on that area. the laparoscopic procedure is much less invasive and destructive but you’re still having an incision (either one large one or three little ones) into your abdominal cavity.

Big Ben missed his first start which was 4, 5? days after his surgery, but played in the next game about 10,11 days afterward. Matt Cassel missed his next start but was practicing (limited) 7 days later. He played in the following game which was 11 days afterward.

If you go off of their time frames, I’d say Dunn is held out of games for at least 7 days. The thing is, you can resume “normal” activities usually 1-2 weeks after the surgery, but it takes a few more before you’re back to 100%

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by Shoeless In SC on Apr 6, 2011 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

the other thing is

that they play football

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by U-God on Apr 6, 2011 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

which is no doubt different.

but swinging a bat and running the bases is still going to put pressure on that area. what’s worse, he takes a few extra days off to recover more? or he plays as soon as possible and gets a hernia?

Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow

White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox

by Shoeless In SC on Apr 6, 2011 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Abreu, Torres, Harang, and Stauffer have had appendectomies.

Abreu: link
Torres: link
Harang: link
Stauffer: link

Their times all varied, as do the recovery time for that operation. It depends on how likely the person can rupture, how badly it was inflamed, and how good a shape the person is in.

Holliday is rushing his return and he’s traveling on their upcoming road trip, but when he’ll actually play is unknown. If he plays Friday, it’ll be 7 days after.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow

White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox

by Shoeless In SC on Apr 6, 2011 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

and their tonsils. possibly their gallbladder, too.

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White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox

by Shoeless In SC on Apr 6, 2011 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

won't DHing help his recovery time too

as opposed to pitching and playing the outfield?

To me, clowns aren't funny. In fact, they're kind of scary. I've wondered where this started and I think it goes back to the time I went to the circus, and a clown killed my dad.

by TheIronSchenk on Apr 6, 2011 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

He should bunt.

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by winningugly on Apr 6, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

trade him for bullpen depth

guy’s injury prone

To me, clowns aren't funny. In fact, they're kind of scary. I've wondered where this started and I think it goes back to the time I went to the circus, and a clown killed my dad.

by TheIronSchenk on Apr 6, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

what larry said

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White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox

by Shoeless In SC on Apr 6, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Will Carroll says 8-10 days is his expected timetable.

http://twitter.com/injuryexpert/status/55622486783557632

He seems to be pretty much always right about this stuff. 8-10 I can live with, and with the Sox offense being as hot as it is losing him for that time period doesn’t seem too horrible.

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by mechanical turk on Apr 6, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah. Just based on what I've read up on this I'd put 7 at the low end, 14 at the high.

take that for what you will. I’m curious to see how soon before Holliday is in the lineup since he had the same operation.

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by Shoeless In SC on Apr 6, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Geez this guy wanted to play tommorrow?

“I talked to him this morning and he wants to play [Thursday],” Guillen said. “But I don’t want to take the risk.”

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by Tdogg on Apr 6, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

i like it

i’m gone... bye bitches. - wtgtd

by BoeJouma on Apr 6, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love the Donkey.

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by RWShow on Apr 6, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's the Grindiest.

I’m in love! i found a replacement for Freddy!
by KenWo4LiFe on Mar 8, 2011

by South Side Expat on Apr 6, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

From reading people's comments on the surgery feeling good the day after is natural.

actually being 100% is something else. For anyone who doesn’t know why you have appendectomies it’s because the appendix becomes inflamed, swollen, and can either burst and/or slowly leak fecal matter into your bloodstream causing sepsis. The difference you feel within a day after the surgery is much improved over how you feel when you’re suffering. The symptoms take hours, even days to build up. That he played last night is admirable.

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White Sox Baseball:
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by Shoeless In SC on Apr 6, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Herm immediately needs to

start an emergency program of giving the WSox innards and gizzards a rub-down and such.

NISFW (now it's safe for work!)

by greenlight on Apr 6, 2011 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

AA...

Any word on Jones starting/relieving? His stuff didn’t seem to play as well as a starter and he’s already well behind the age curve.

Phegley’s defense = Flowers’ defense? Worse? Thoughts? (BTW I thought Phegley was pushed too much last year too, especially considering he’s missed so much time)

by polodude017 on Apr 6, 2011 8:45 AM CDT reply actions  

he'll start.

and the answer to the second question is in the post. flowers is fine. phegley is awful.

by larry on Apr 6, 2011 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

AAA...

Carter has command but lacks good raw stuff.

I had read mostly the opposite. Heard he has a good fastball, not sure about the secondary pitches. His command has been iffy.

I really think Danks is a fourth OF. I have higher hopes for Flowers yet.

How many more years of arbitration does Q have? I have a hard time envisioning an extension there now with the lower production/awful defense/injuries. Viciedo could take over in right.

by polodude017 on Apr 6, 2011 8:47 AM CDT reply actions  

watch carter pitch and let me know if you think he has good stuff.

and i don’t know how you get to command being iffy. his command is fine. it’s not too difficult to throw a fastball lacking movement where you want it.

by larry on Apr 6, 2011 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Haven't gotten...

to see him pitch, I can only go by what I read.

by polodude017 on Apr 6, 2011 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

here we go again

Can we please let Q play out the season before planning out next year?

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by Tdogg on Apr 6, 2011 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Easy...

Not trying to push him out the door, but it’s hard to envision an extension with the defense/injuries. Just trying to figure out where Viciedo might fit in.

by polodude017 on Apr 6, 2011 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd say left or right. But left is an option.

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by Tdogg on Apr 6, 2011 10:41 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah...

reminds me of Carlos Lee with a better arm. Left is probably more realistic. But hey, maybe Milledge re-discovers himself this season.

by polodude017 on Apr 6, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Re: Viciedo

“Despite his famously hacktastic offensive approach, though, he doesn’t have much left to prove on offense”

Really? I’m concerned about the 7:1 K/BB ratio and the .243/.272/.401 line against righties in AAA.

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by big_fun on Apr 6, 2011 9:10 AM CDT reply actions  

Is there some upside here...

somewhere between Vlad and Pierzynski? Yeah, maybe he never walks more than 40 times per year, but maybe he can improve his contact so he keeps the K’s down around 60-70?

by polodude017 on Apr 6, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

there's plenty of upside.

he’s going to strike out probably 20% of the time. that isn’t a problem for a guy with power. so he won’t walk. i think that horse has been beaten to death by now. if he mashes lefties and can hold his own against righties, he’s fine. he’s probably not going to be a superstar or anything but he can probably be an average RF, preferably with a platoon partner who can face some of the tougher righties.

by larry on Apr 6, 2011 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

If I'm not mistake...

Francouer completely skipped AAA on his way to the majors. That type of quick success and then complete failure was what made me so uneasy about promoting Viciedo last year.

by polodude017 on Apr 6, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

He did

Although giving Francoeur more time in the minors might not have made any difference. If that’s the case, Larry may well be right that Viciedo just needs to sink or swim in the majors. I don’t know enough about player development to have an opinion one way or the other.

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by big_fun on Apr 6, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

not sure there's a right answer to it.

i just don’t see AAA pitchers making viciedo change his approach. the pitchers just aren’t good enough. viciedo can get by on talent against most of them.

by larry on Apr 6, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I see your point...

but not all hackers remain the same level of hackers for their entire career. Plate discipline is a skill that can be developed. I don’t know that Viciedo is a guy that will be able to do that, maybe he will maybe he won’t. I think I read that he only has one option left, so if they bring him up again, they better be darn sure he’s not going back down.

by polodude017 on Apr 6, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

he's done

.278/.304/.426 in half his ab against righties in the show. If he mashes left handers who cares about his splits?

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by Tdogg on Apr 6, 2011 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

That and he did it at 21..

I don’t think it’s crazy to believe he can still improve his splits some.

by Grinder in Training on Apr 6, 2011 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm still looking...

for at least mild improvement. I’m not expecting Pujols, but I am expecting him to walk before his 150th PA next time he hits the majors.

by polodude017 on Apr 6, 2011 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

just that there's a big difference between a guy who can only mash lefties and a guy who only needs to be benched against tough righties, as Larry suggested

A .304 OBP on a high BABIP in that sample size didn’t do much to allay my concerns, I guess. I’m not pessimistic about him, just maybe not as optimistic as others.

Sorry if this has been discussed to death on SSS prior to me being here.

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by big_fun on Apr 6, 2011 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

I think larry summed it up well. He needs to improve it if he has thoughts of allstar.

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by Tdogg on Apr 6, 2011 11:04 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

i think he needs to improve if he wants to be average, too.

my point in the piece that big fun latched onto, which isn’t that clear, is that AAA probably isn’t going to do all that much for his offense. it’s MLB pitchers who may be able to exploit his approach, not so much MiLB pitchers.

by larry on Apr 6, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting opinion...

Do you think this is the same across most players? For instance, I think most assume Flowers was sent back to AAA to bring his walks up and cut his K’s.

by polodude017 on Apr 6, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

what skills players need to develop are not the same. making contact isn't viciedo's problem.

unless one considers making a lot (too much?) contact a problem. obviously he could benefit from being more selective over the long-term. i just don’t think minor league pitchers are going to be the ones to make him more selective.

by larry on Apr 6, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Viciedo...

so what you’re saying is you think he recognizes these pitches are out of the zone, but swings anyways. Is that right? I can’t tell if he has a problem with pitch recognition or if he just thinks he can hit everything like Vlad.

by polodude017 on Apr 6, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

he thinks he can hit everything.

and, so far, he has. it looked like pitchers were beginning to recognize this at the major league level right before he was demoted but it was a pretty small sample size.

by larry on Apr 6, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think his head weighs more than that.

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by Shoeless In SC on Apr 6, 2011 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

i refuse to believe that bartolo colon

almost weighs the same amount as me.

i am the same height and only have on chin. somebody’s lying.

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by U-God on Apr 6, 2011 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's off by 100 lbs, easily.

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by RWShow on Apr 6, 2011 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

colon could not eat for a month, only drink water, and yet live off his body fat stores

and still weigh more than that.

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White Sox Baseball:
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by Shoeless In SC on Apr 6, 2011 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

"Hawk Harrelson: Annoying even the hearing impaired": Teahenny Penny paraphrasing Chisoxfan1473

by NorthSidePaulie on Apr 6, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is absolute horseshit.

Jared Mitchell: GAMBARIMASU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by winningugly on Apr 6, 2011 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wrong unit of measure

Was suppose to be weight in kilos

It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted

by Scotty Ballgame on Apr 6, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Certainly too 2009esque for my taste..

But last year we had Kotsay where Milledge is, and Teahen where Morel is. Compared to that, it’s hard to complain.

by Grinder in Training on Apr 6, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

this

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White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox

by Shoeless In SC on Apr 6, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I also wanted to see

if Teahen could provide DH value from the hot spring bat without the defensive liability. But then I saw that the Royals are starting a LHP…

"Hawk Harrelson: Annoying even the hearing impaired": Teahenny Penny paraphrasing Chisoxfan1473

by NorthSidePaulie on Apr 6, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

someone hit ozzie in the head

I hope Kotsay gets hit by a dump truck and slips into a coma where he is stuck forever in Baseball purgatory having to bat against a three-headed, six-armed Lefty Hydra consisting of Billy Wagner, Damaso Marte, and Randy Johnson. - Shoeless In SC
It's like trying to sneak the sun past the rooster. - Hawk Harrelson

by blackoutsox on Apr 6, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds about right.

Good job, Oz.

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by RWShow on Apr 6, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't Pierre better with the glove than Milledge?

I assume all Milledge has to do is not lose the game today and Lillibridge packs his bags.

by Grinder in Training on Apr 6, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah.

i know better since this is ozzie but, in a vaccum, i don’t really have a problem with playing milledge to actually see if he can handle defensive duties. of course, ozzie would pull this shit in august, too.

by larry on Apr 6, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Only Ozzie would put a career .713 OPS, .069 ISO, .324 wOBA hitter at DH.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow

White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox

by Shoeless In SC on Apr 6, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pierre DH'ed plenty last year. So did Pods, at one point.

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by 67WMAQ on Apr 6, 2011 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh yes, he did. I haven't blocked that out yet.

Though, in his defense, they are facing a lefty and Teahen has no business up there today.

Still, if you have to play Pierre, why not keep Pierre in LF, put Milledge in RF, and let Quentin DH? He’s determined to get our worst defender out there in the field.

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by Shoeless In SC on Apr 6, 2011 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pierre will likely be the best fielding DH playing today.

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by Shoeless In SC on Apr 6, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

we should win a point for that

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by Ahillock on Apr 6, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

a point for stupidity, maybe.

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by Shoeless In SC on Apr 6, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

that sort of doesn't matter.

this is the lineup you’d see no matter what. the defensive positions should change but it doesn’t really matter whether it’s quentin or pierre DHing. the offense is the same.

by larry on Apr 6, 2011 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I see what you're saying.

I realized that after I typed all that out. But it still remains that he has his worst offensive player DH’ing while he could be using his glove out in the field to replace a guy who’s really only tools are hitting, getting hit, and throwing people out. It’s friggin’ bass ackwards.

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by Shoeless In SC on Apr 6, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

this is somewhat related...

Any idea on when Peavy will get his rehab starts, and where?

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by Shoeless In SC on Apr 6, 2011 10:47 AM CDT reply actions  

friday in montgomery.

assuming 5 days rest, i’d be buying a ticket when the knights face durham. will depend upon lots of things (including weather) but i’d think he’d pitch for the knights in his second rehab start.

by larry on Apr 6, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

cool. thanks. if it's not on a mon-wed night I can make it.

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by Shoeless In SC on Apr 6, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

that's no good.

Anyway, I e-mailed the front office and asked them if they’d notify me as soon as his starts are decided. I doubt anyone would go through the trouble to do that for one person, but it’s a shot.

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by Shoeless In SC on Apr 6, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

i am a man, but am i "da man"?

ozzie on ohman

He’s here—I have to use him. We’ve got only 11 pitchers. I don’t have the luxury to [matchup Ohman to lefties]. Maybe later on I will. But he’s got to get his head out of his ass

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/06/ozzie-guillen-on-will-ohman-he-has-to-get-his-head-out-of-his-ass/

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by BuehrleMan on Apr 6, 2011 11:34 AM CDT reply actions  

maybe Ozzie needs to get his head outta his ass by dfa Bridger and using Thornton more.

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by Shoeless In SC on Apr 6, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder if Ozzie was sort of against this whole 11-man pitching staff idea

(well no I don’t)… and maybe he is intentionally doing crazy shit like leaving Ohman out there for 1+ innings just to make his point.

by CatBrains on Apr 6, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I doubt Ozzie is trying to sabotage the team in order to prove a point.

It’s more likely he has certain expectations about the roles of his players and is unwilling to change that.

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White Sox Baseball:
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by Shoeless In SC on Apr 6, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure the rushing of Escobar is all about his status as trade bait.

Not exactly original-type thought but no one else has said it yet. The White Sox view the farm system as a place where they can try to build up a perceived value for a guy before trading him for a major league player. I think his two options at this point are to fail at AAA and move down a level, or to succeed and find himself on a new organization by the trade deadline.

"I'm the Chicago man. I'm vital in Chicago." -Willy Ohman, Act 1

by mechanical turk on Apr 6, 2011 12:11 PM CDT reply actions  

exactly. it's as if they expect him to step in this year.

and trading alexei or beckham to make room for him makes no sense either.

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by Shoeless In SC on Apr 6, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know, the Sox seem to like to rush guys to try to show them off and get them exposure before dealing them.

Daniel Hudson and Aaron Poreda are the first two guys that come to mind, and while there are plenty of notable differences (pitchers, saw time in the majors, and Hudson was actually promoted out of necessity). I’m sure there are other examples but I can’t think of any at the moment.

I may be misreading this completely, but what I see is a farm system which is used primarily as a source of guys to trade for major league contributors trying to inflate the value of a prospect who is unlikely to be an asset to the major league club. It seems like a sales pitch.

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by mechanical turk on Apr 6, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

You think Hudson was rushed?

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Apr 6, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh I could try reading your whole statement.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Apr 6, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

rushing a guy like EE who wasn't particularly spectacular in AA isn't likely to help his trade value

I can’t imagine an exec seeing EE in AA again and thinking he’s too old or experienced for that level.

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White Sox Baseball:
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by Shoeless In SC on Apr 6, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rushing prospects...

this is a relatively new thing in the Sox organization, as least from what I can remember. Before Hudson, they were pretty notorious for leaving guys at a level for too long. Well that and drafting really low ceiling college players.

I don’t think Poreda was every really rushed. His performance at AA was very good, and though he lacked a great breaking ball, he still looked like he could help the pen that year for the remainder of the season.

I think they need to find a happy medium. There’s still some guys lighting up levels that they don’t progress. Heck, they left Dexter Carter at low-A the other year while he was absolutely mowing guys down.

by polodude017 on Apr 6, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

...and what did they do with dexter?

that’s right, traded him. many were arguing at the time the reason he wasn’t promoted was because the white sox wanted to trade him and thought he would be found out at a higher level. not sure i buy that, because carter wasn’t exactly the sort of guy who would be much more than a throw-in, but who knows.

by larry on Apr 6, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tickets

Love the site, first time post. Im headed to Chicago from Minneapolis for Friday and Saturdays games. Will i be able to scalp tickets or what do you guys recommend? thanks.

by MinneapolisSoxFan on Apr 6, 2011 12:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Check the Group discount codes in the Right Rail post.

I picked up a Friday lower deck ticket for $21.50 on Monday night. There may be some left. You aren’t gonna beat that with a scalper.

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by South Side Expat on Apr 6, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Welcome

We need some fans up there in enemy territory.

Does UZR take into consideration the JumpThrow?

by Tdogg on Apr 6, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

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