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Milledge's DFA as predictable as it is strange

There's a good chance that the White Sox won't miss Lastings Milledge in one way or another, so I hesitate to make too big a deal out of their strange decision to designate him for assignment on Thursday morning. At the same time, it's really hard to figure out why it happened, regardless of whether Milledge is only AAAA-talented, so we can pretend he's a little bit better than he actually is for this exercise.

There. Now I feel better.

The DFA was the latest turn in the peculiar path chosen by the Sox, starting at the end of spring training. The first thought I had was that Milledge had rubbed Ozzie Guillen the wrong way, but that's not the case.

"Personally, it was very hard for me—that’s the hardest thing you can do," Guillen said, who admitted that he was having trouble looking Milledge in the eyes as he talked with him. "When you send someone down [and it] has nothing to do with [his performance], that’s something. I was on the plane thinking all flight how I was going to handle it."

If Milledge were truly posing problems with the Sox, Guillen wouldn't have said any of this. He's not afraid to point out young players' flaws to the media, and even if it were personal, he probably would have played it straight, and the Sox would have leaked the discontent otherwise. We can probably rule out the easiest explanation, so we're still left with the big question:

Why was he on the 25-man roster in the first place?

Star-divide

One of my rules of thumb is that if I can foresee a complication and it comes true, it's probably a case of noteworthy mismanagement. Obviously, I watch roster machinations closely, but at the end of the day, I'm still self-trained and have no inside knowledge.

Re-reading my post regarding the ramifications of an 11-man pitching staff, here are the bullet points:

  • The White Sox's starters are basically set, meaning that it would be even harder than usual to find the last bench player regular at-bats.
  • A Carlos Quentin injury would be the only way to get Milledge anything resembling regular playing time.
  • Six relievers could mean a lot of full innings out of Will Ohman, which won't end well.
  • Guillen would try to get a 12th pitcher as soon as he could.

All of that happened, and I was far from the only person to see it coming. Now Milledge, who said he would happily report to Charlotte during the spring, might be with a different organization over the next couple of days. That wouldn't be the end of the world, but it would leave the depth-averse Sox unnecessarily thin in the event of an injury.

It's not so much a talent thing. Dayan Viciedo can do many of the same things as Milledge - hit lefties, struggle against solid-or-better righties, be a liability in the outfield (Viciedo looked good enough in the spring, but that's a dangerous assumption) and not add value on the basepaths. But in the event of a two-to-three-week vacancy due to injury, it's nice to have a guy like Milledge to use as roster fodder before having to consider burning a Viciedo option (correction: his last option is already being used this season).

It's possible that Milledge could end up in Charlotte. He might have improved his stock somewhat with a productive spring on the straight and narrow, but remember - he was cut by the Pirates. It's just a roster maneuver that was eminently avoidable if Kenny Williams weren't so impulsive, and I don't like it when I can't understand the reasoning.

Star-divide

And for what? Low-leverage innings from Jeff Gray. Don Cooper explained why, and quality was job three:

"[There’s a] need for a pitcher because of the extra-inning games and some of the other things that have been going on," said pitching coach Don Cooper. "We need another guy, and he was the guy chosen. He had a sideline two days ago, so he's ready to go … He threw the ball well and he had good stuff in spring training. He can give us innings."

Like Milledge, Gray was a non-roster invitee who got a long look during the spring. Unlike Milledge, I was wrong, because I figured Brian Bruney would be the guy to get an emergency nod when the NRIs were announced.

There's nothing about Gray that's particularly exciting. He walks fewer batters than the average journeyman reliever, but he has a track record of being hittable, as he doesn't seem to get many swings and misses. He's probably a better option than Ohman for your average full inning, but that's not saying much. Everything we know about him says he should be pitching when the game is out of reach in either direction, which makes exposing a more useful talent in Milledge all the more silly.

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I refuse to believe humans exist that want to DFA Tony Pena.

"My role hads not changed: Old punching bag." -winningugly

by Uribe Down on Apr 8, 2011 1:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind....

Pena is worse than Scott Linebrink…and that’s saying something. I am confident Gray won’t be the worse pitcher in our bullpen as long as we keep Pena

If you chase two rabbits both will escape!

by JofpGallagher on Apr 8, 2011 6:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

He'll eat innings.

They should’ve kept Tabasco, but Pena > Liney for the role he’s in.

Jared Mitchell: GAMBARIMASU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 6:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

you guys are nuts,

Pena is NOT that poor of a pitcher

2011 WhiteSox Baseball: we're all in

by OznCoop on Apr 8, 2011 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

thank you

Pena had a bad year, what with WHIP, BB/K line, etc. Before last year, he was pretty solid. Are we really getting up in arms over the fumbling of Lastings Milledge?

by TasteeFreeze on Apr 8, 2011 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

penas awful

as if his 5 era in the 2010 campaign didnt prove it he seems poised to be on a mission to raise the bar of bad for 2011

by Knoxfire30 on Apr 8, 2011 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

he's only pitched twice

not much evidence to suggest just what he seems poised to be on a mission to do this year

a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee

by big_fun on Apr 8, 2011 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

pretty sure he's set a ceiling to be a mediocre innings eater.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow

White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox

by Shoeless In SC on Apr 8, 2011 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's certainly possible that what he did in 2010 is who he is now

But I don’t see any reason to think his ceiling is now below what he did from 2007 to 2009.

a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee

by big_fun on Apr 8, 2011 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

So what is wrong with that?

Somebody’s going to have to. And he can pull out the occasionally brilliant performance. When he is awful, yeah, he’s awful. But let’s not forget what his role is.

Jared Mitchell: GAMBARIMASU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's one of those things where you set low expectations for a role

Then when you get shit, you say, oh well we didn’t expect much in the first place.

I’m of the opinion that when you see a chance to upgrade a position, no matter how small, you do it. Unfortunately, who would we replace him with in the organization? Yeah. That puts us about where most MLB teams are in regards to their spot starter/long relief guy. Still doesn’t mean I have to like it.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow

White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox

by Shoeless In SC on Apr 8, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

So the 24th and 25th guys are marginally effective.

Welcome to MLB. Jesus, go through a search and see how many players have had marginal careers. Lots more than those who have had stellar ones. When Peavy comes back (and if he stays whole) we stop talking about this for awhile.

Jared Mitchell: GAMBARIMASU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Because the games now don't matter, or matter less than the ones later.

Look, if you’re going to keep a guy like Pena on the roster, don’t use him in situations where 1 run is going to give up a lead or break a tie. Use this guy for mop-up duty or blow-outs.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow

White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox

by Shoeless In SC on Apr 8, 2011 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I believe they stick with a guy like Pena because he has shown he can do it in the majors

Yes, there are guys at AAA who throw baseballs, and sometimes, the other team doesn’t hit them. Pena has the tools. He has had the success at the major league level. It’s probably a Herculean accomplishment to have a 5.00 ERA in the majors, for any guy who throws a ball for a living.

I would believe the thinking is that since Pena has done it before, working with him to get back to where he was 2 seasons ago has more promise than promoting a junkballer who just fooled the Columbus Clippers and the Indianapolis Indians on a magical roadtrip.

by TasteeFreeze on Apr 8, 2011 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

why do you say that:

“Because the games now don’t matter, or matter less than the ones later.”

I thought all wins were created equal?

Hope he’s not writing the 2011 White Sox Anal too. -Sox Machine

by Jack M on Apr 8, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

that was sarcasm in larry's style.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow

White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox

by Shoeless In SC on Apr 8, 2011 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

ah whosh to me then

my bad

Hope he’s not writing the 2011 White Sox Anal too. -Sox Machine

by Jack M on Apr 8, 2011 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

So you're saying the White Sox would be better

if only I was more demanding of back of the bullpen fodder? You’re saying they actually hear the things I yell at the TV?

by TasteeFreeze on Apr 8, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hate the term "Inning Eater"

I have several discussions over the term “Inning Eater” in the Sox Machine. Having a pitcher just to eat innings is plan for to be defeated. A GM shouldn’t plan for “mop up pitching work”. A GM should plan to win games. To have ALL pitchers of quality or at least decent. To have pitchers that can come in a tight situation and deliver more often than not. Pena was almost never used by Guillen in games with 1 or 2 runs difference, and the reason is obvious = Pena Stinks.. I will never pay for a pitcher to be used when we are losing a game. I pay for pitchers to win games….all of them

If you chase two rabbits both will escape!

by JofpGallagher on Apr 8, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

depending on what you mean by decent

“To have ALL pitchers of quality or at least decent” isn’t really realistic. As pointed out elsewhere in this thread, baseball teams don’t have this luxury.

a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee

by big_fun on Apr 8, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe you are correct

Pena is just too awful…I watch (almost) all the Sox games, and every time he comes in, runners abound….hitters like Gets, Aviles, don’t waste any time to increase their slugging percentages before Pena’s flat fast-balls offering…It’s like batting practice. And we pay above 1 million for this horseshit? We can get it more cheaper…i guarantee it.

If you chase two rabbits both will escape!

by JofpGallagher on Apr 8, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

your level of disdain for tony pena

is approaching my level of disdain for nick swisher. although my disdain for swisher started with his on field performance it grew to encompass the mere idea of his existence. you may want to be careful. anyhow, i say bravo to you sir.

"when the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea." ~~cantona

by BuehrleMan on Apr 8, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nick Swisher is a major leaguer

Pena is not…. Yes I dislike the dude, and even more the hype some people have over him….a very mediocre pitcher. I will be shocked if his ERA is lower than 5.50 at the end of the season.

If you chase two rabbits both will escape!

by JofpGallagher on Apr 8, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

without looking it up

his career ERA is at least a run lower than that. and it’s not like he doesn’t throw 94 anymore.

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by colintj on Apr 8, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

did i do it right?

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by colintj on Apr 8, 2011 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

If all pitchers pitched well

you’d never have a situation where you’d need an innings eater. But there you go. So having a rubber-armed guy to eat innings and save the rest of the ’pen is a good guy to have. If you have too many it means you are the Pirates.

Jared Mitchell: GAMBARIMASU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe we could get better for cheaper

But we’ve already spent the money on Pena. The White Sox won’t gain anything by getting rid of him now, so they just have to see how the year goes and re-evaluate next winter.

a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee

by big_fun on Apr 8, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was very against in resigning Pena

but we need an “Inning eater”….. or a below average pitcher who can pitch when we are losing 10 to 2 in the 5th and don’t mind losing 15 to 2…. Hubner can be as effective as Pena as “inning eater” and he won’t cost that much…. I have the feeling that Hubner (If satys in the big league) will end up with better numbers than Pena.

If you chase two rabbits both will escape!

by JofpGallagher on Apr 8, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

so you don't like pena.

but you’re fine with humber. at least you admit that this is all based on feelings and does not have any basis in fact.

by larry on Apr 8, 2011 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's economics

Humber is mediocrity that cost less than the mediocrity Pena brings….and hell yes…I hate the guy!!!

If you chase two rabbits both will escape!

by JofpGallagher on Apr 8, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

humber is also a much worse pitcher.

it’s economics. why pay someone to do something that costs you money. that’s humber.

by larry on Apr 8, 2011 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

We'll see

I picked Humber to compare just to pick someone… Nothing special in comparing him with Pena. I hope I am wrong, and Pena shines and becomes Scott Dows (wishful thinking)

If you chase two rabbits both will escape!

by JofpGallagher on Apr 8, 2011 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

He doesn't need to be Scott Downs to be valuable

He could be D.J. Carrasco-lite and earn his paycheck and be far better than Humber has ever proven himself to be.

a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee

by big_fun on Apr 8, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

they're aren't enough good pitchers in the world

there just arent. unless you want to drop $30 million on a bullpen, which you shouldn’t

"Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."

by boyonthedock on Apr 8, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

We dream too high, you and I

Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow

White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox

by Shoeless In SC on Apr 8, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

You are too high.

Jared Mitchell: GAMBARIMASU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

penas better than anyone else we have

Im not a fan of him either but Harrell sucks more

I hope Kotsay gets hit by a dump truck and slips into a coma where he is stuck forever in Baseball purgatory having to bat against a three-headed, six-armed Lefty Hydra consisting of Billy Wagner, Damaso Marte, and Randy Johnson. - Shoeless In SC
It's like trying to sneak the sun past the rooster. - Hawk Harrelson

by blackoutsox on Apr 8, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

well it was very avoidable

that’s the point isn’t it?

Some real classy comments on here regarding Nishi.
Wish I could say I was surprised.
by twinpirate326

by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I bet he makes it through waivers,

and is nailing some unfortunate Charlotte-dude’s daughter by Tuesday.

by TasteeFreeze on Apr 8, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

that would be nice.

Some real classy comments on here regarding Nishi.
Wish I could say I was surprised.
by twinpirate326

by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Do you get some of that action?

Jared Mitchell: GAMBARIMASU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't do guy- guy- girl threesomes

Some real classy comments on here regarding Nishi.
Wish I could say I was surprised.
by twinpirate326

by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

no pigroasts?

i thought you guys loved pork.

by larry on Apr 8, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Chasing Amy" is the movie my wife and I saw on our 2nd date.

Learned a lot about her ability to talk about “edgy” subjects.

Jared Mitchell: GAMBARIMASU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Some hilarious stuff in that movie.

I’m finding that Kevin Smith’s movies over time hold up like IKEA furniture, however.

"This is fucking fantatic." - winningugly

by RWShow on Apr 8, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed.

“Dogma” holds up OK.

Jared Mitchell: GAMBARIMASU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I found the idea interesting.

And I enjoyed Alan Rickman’s part.

Jared Mitchell: GAMBARIMASU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't like Dogma in the first place.

But since everybody else seemed to like that one the most, I figured it was just me.

"This is fucking fantatic." - winningugly

by RWShow on Apr 8, 2011 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

same here

Friends gushed over Dogma. I didn’t see it. I found it irritating and thought it tried too hard.

by TasteeFreeze on Apr 8, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hence the "OK".

Jared Mitchell: GAMBARIMASU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

all went downhill after that.

clerks holds up and mallrats is good for jason lee alone.

chasing amy is the best of the bunch:
“variety’s the spice of life. i like a wide selection. sometimes i’m in the mood for nasty close-ups, sometimes i like them arty and air-brushed. sometimes it’s a spread brown-eye kind of night, sometimes it’s girl-on-girl time. sometimes a steamy letter will do, sometimes – not often, but sometimes – i like the idea of a chick with a horse.”

by craigws on Apr 8, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

sadly this

the later films were fun when they came out. now they’re just coasters.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Apr 8, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

this.

still can’t watch jedi without contemplating the independent contractors or talk to friends that sail without thinking “it’s not a schooner, it’s a sailboat.”

I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.

by thatshortkid on Apr 8, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

"What's a Nubian?

“Shut the fuck up!”

"This is fucking fantatic." - winningugly

by RWShow on Apr 8, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Devil's threeway"

"This is fucking fantatic." - winningugly

by RWShow on Apr 8, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pena has had more than one "bad years"

Except an average 2007 year and 2009…all other years were “bad years”

If you chase two rabbits both will escape!

by JofpGallagher on Apr 8, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

AJ Pierzynski: You have to want to catch.

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Apr 8, 2011 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

So, In one day on SSS-

24 hours:
We’ve got a team preview.
We’ve got a splash of breaking news.
We’ve got a game thread.
We’ve got an old school SSS recap.
We’ve got an actual game recap.
To top it all off, there is analysis posted at like midnight.

Seriously Jim… the crack does wonders for you. Stay on it.

I’m in love! i found a replacement for Freddy!
by KenWo4LiFe on Mar 8, 2011

by South Side Expat on Apr 8, 2011 1:02 AM CDT reply actions  

Says the man at 2:02 AM EST.

Have you sold your TV for $5 yet?

Jared Mitchell: GAMBARIMASU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 3:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

did you mean 'option' in the baseball sense?

because they already burned viciedo’s option.

by larry on Apr 8, 2011 7:26 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

DFA

means Designated For Assignment, not Free Agent. LM will be sent down to AAA if he’s not claimed on waivers (and if he accepts the assignment).

Has DV’s option been used this year or not? I’m not sure… he wasn’t on the 25 man roster to start the season, but as he was last year does that mean they have to use an option to not put him on the roster this year?

by snoopy369 on Apr 8, 2011 7:40 AM CDT reply actions  

Joel Osteen

to throw out the first pitch today? Please give the fake preacher/scam artist a rousing chorus of boos for me. “Prosperity Gospel” my a**.

"Look at the size of those OBPs. I'd like to UZR all over her BABIP"

by TheOutfield on Apr 8, 2011 7:54 AM CDT reply actions  

Peace be with you

The guy at the bank doesn't care how many trophies you've got!

by 67WMAQ on Apr 8, 2011 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Revenue by any means.

When does Aerosmith show up?

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fucking aye good, Troop.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

sheeeeeeeit, rick warren filled the big a for easter services last year, right around opening day.

he had the jonas brothers play too.

now that’s an abomination.

I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.

by thatshortkid on Apr 8, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

i find this offensive.

and i don’t think i’m alone.
oh well.

"when the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea." ~~cantona

by BuehrleMan on Apr 8, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

We're in America, babe.

Be tolerant if you want to be tolerated.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'm plenty tolerant.

i didn’t realize until i clicked the link that it isn’t on a day of a home game so whatever. i thought it was mlb sponsored, like those “faith nights” that have been popping up. those i am not as tolerant of, and don’t see why i should be. i don’t think it’s right for mlb (or individual owners) to push some particular subset of some religion on the public.

"when the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea." ~~cantona

by BuehrleMan on Apr 8, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

i have no idea how this world works.

"when the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea." ~~cantona

by BuehrleMan on Apr 8, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

i imagine urbana does that to a man.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Apr 8, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

this comment is underrated

Some real classy comments on here regarding Nishi.
Wish I could say I was surprised.
by twinpirate326

by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's smoking green!

"This is fucking fantatic." - winningugly

by RWShow on Apr 8, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I miss that place at times.

I’m in love! i found a replacement for Freddy!
by KenWo4LiFe on Mar 8, 2011

by South Side Expat on Apr 8, 2011 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

If we use the money to pay guys like Adam Dunn

They can have a parade of religions in there every weekend. Just get out of my way once the game starts.

by Grinder in Training on Apr 8, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

The only thing that is offensive is that the web page calls it White Sox Park.

Fuckers trying to ruin our hard built heathen image!

I’m in love! i found a replacement for Freddy!
by KenWo4LiFe on Mar 8, 2011

by South Side Expat on Apr 8, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

uh oh. this could get ugly, and may belong on the RR, but i'm going to put my two cents in anyway.

in the words of lee elia,“it’s a disheartening fucking situation.”
and in the words of 2HA,“unacceptable”.

"when the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea." ~~cantona

by BuehrleMan on Apr 8, 2011 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

This could get Uggla

The guy at the bank doesn't care how many trophies you've got!

by 67WMAQ on Apr 8, 2011 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

My problem with him is he takes money from people who need it more than him and promises them salvation

he reminds me of the preacher from There Will Be Blood. Does he need a multi-million dollar house to do Gods work?

bobpuller lives

by Rhubarb on Apr 8, 2011 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

See also

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marjoe_Gortner

The guy at the bank doesn't care how many trophies you've got!

by 67WMAQ on Apr 8, 2011 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

The irony being that he is proving Darwin right.

I’m in love! i found a replacement for Freddy!
by KenWo4LiFe on Mar 8, 2011

by South Side Expat on Apr 8, 2011 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

why shouldn't he have a multi-million dollar house for doing god's work.

he provides a product that people apparently like. just because you don’t like it and think it’s worthless doesn’t mean it’s worthless to them (or it actually is worthless).

by larry on Apr 8, 2011 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

you're right

I believe he is brainwashing people though, it is almost as if he is deified by his followers and can make them do or believe in anything.

bobpuller lives

by Rhubarb on Apr 8, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Guys I think this is an off limit topic.

Some real classy comments on here regarding Nishi.
Wish I could say I was surprised.
by twinpirate326

by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

this

However once we all accept Xenu as our creator, we can move onto bigger and better problems.

by TasteeFreeze on Apr 8, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

awesome reference. with his microphone and speaker talking about how we're all going to hell. i love that guy. i always say hi.

 (then my patented bad-weather macy’s cut thru from state/washington to wabash/randolph)

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Apr 8, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

On a personal level, I'm really disappointed the Sox are having him.

But I’d rather he be met with absolute silence than boos.

AJ Pierzynski: You have to want to catch.

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Apr 8, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

all tv preachers only want money

I hope Kotsay gets hit by a dump truck and slips into a coma where he is stuck forever in Baseball purgatory having to bat against a three-headed, six-armed Lefty Hydra consisting of Billy Wagner, Damaso Marte, and Randy Johnson. - Shoeless In SC
It's like trying to sneak the sun past the rooster. - Hawk Harrelson

by blackoutsox on Apr 8, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay folks again lets discontinue this conversation.

Some real classy comments on here regarding Nishi.
Wish I could say I was surprised.
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by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dammit, TF.

I dig your style, but I’m hiding this. RR, please.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

no! then my comment will disappear too!

and we’ll never have our throwdown!

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by Shoeless In SC on Apr 8, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, you'll throw down, Jerry.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

no! then my comment will disappear too!

and we’ll never have our throwdown!

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by Shoeless In SC on Apr 8, 2011 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tdogg is the final word.

I feel no shame. I feel nothing.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

he can't help himself.

this new Mexican gang just moved into his neighborhood and they drive by blaring their obnoxious rap music, standing on the street corners drinkin’ 40’s with their pants down to their ankles, smackin’ their women upside the head, all the while sellin’ dope to the kids.

then those same kids are always running around in his yard, tearing up his bermuda. even the neighbor’s dog has been coming over lately and leaving heaping piles of turds, now turned an ashy gray color.

he figures cloaking posts are his way of getting back at this latest generation of slackers and up to no-gooders.

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by Shoeless In SC on Apr 9, 2011 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

milledge situation

really cant say im happy about the move, milledge is better at baseball then lillbridge who is one of my least favorite players, not to mention I thought he had an outside shot, maybe way outside, at possibly being a starter in 2012 if pierre and quentin depart….

by Knoxfire30 on Apr 8, 2011 8:30 AM CDT reply actions  

thanks.

milledge as a starter is a horrible thing to read.

by larry on Apr 8, 2011 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

bad idea

but not out of the realm, this team has a payroll that is pretty high, platooning milledge with a lefty bat for 2012 isnt a crazy idea to save some money, and milledge is 27 he is about to enter his baseball prime having gotten a lot of at bats under his belt, its not crazy to think he could produce if given the right opportunity, i think he can top a 600-700 ops pierre will give us

by Knoxfire30 on Apr 8, 2011 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

no it isnt

combine milledge’s 790-800ish ops vs lefties, with a lefty bat who has similiar numbers vs right hand pitching and you destroy pierres production

by Knoxfire30 on Apr 8, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

his approach with evaluating players is very SSH like

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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Apr 8, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

at least he's not infatuated with the Wilson clan

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by colintj on Apr 8, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well consider me crazy also because I believe it also

however he could also be putrid. I think there is way more variance with him so there certainly is value in knowing what you get from Juan.

Some real classy comments on here regarding Nishi.
Wish I could say I was surprised.
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by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

what variance.

marginally sub replacement to a half win? that doesn’t seem like variance to worry about.

by larry on Apr 8, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well I think his upside is higher

thus more variance. My opinion.

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by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

pierre at 8.5 mil

his production doesnt justify that number, and with a sox team in 2012 that could lose 2/5ths their rotation with the hope that peavy is healthy (ha), they are gonna have to reinvest some money in the staff, is pierre gonna take a big paycut??? if not i dont want him back in 2012, so i thought milledge as an outside shot and viciedo as a good shot could atleast supply the lineup with a low cost option that isnt a big offensive dropoff from what pierre is gonna produce

by Knoxfire30 on Apr 8, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Obviously 8.5 is an absurd number

but what would it cost to keep him around next year? 2-year/$6mil get it done you think? Would he accept one year? I just have no feeling what the market will be like for him since it seems most teams would now realize the deficiencies of a player like Pierre, at least more than they did 4 years ago.

by CatBrains on Apr 8, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

probably about half of his current salary.

i’d think if the white sox sign him, he’d get two years.

by larry on Apr 8, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I know

We’ve talked about that a couple times. Thus my question a couple weeks ago what would Pierre get or expect vs Q’s arb number. In my head its not much of an issue because I have Q in RF next year with Dayan in left. I wanted Lastings as a possible option too. I agree abs or not he’s not too old to possibly string together a few decent years but it is a long shot.

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Wish I could say I was surprised.
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by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pierre is gonna have a fantastic year.

He’s gonna get paid. Just not $8.5 mil.

I’m in love! i found a replacement for Freddy!
by KenWo4LiFe on Mar 8, 2011

by South Side Expat on Apr 8, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

That’s what happens to players like Milledge, who fall into the awkward area of not being good enough to retain a job on a major league team, but who are young and who have an enticing enough pedigree to consistently be given opportunities to succeed. I could probably store this article as a template on my computer, update the initial employer and the age, and run it each year, as the circumstances are unlikely to change.

Don’t believe me? Heck, Corey Patterson is still getting chances, and his background is similar. Milledge has a career .269/.328/.395 slash line. Patterson has hit .253/.292/.404. Their skillsets are a tad different, but if I had to project the rest of Milledge’s career I would suggest you look no further than Patterson.

Players like Milledge don’t generally "figure it out" but neither do teams. By the time Milledge is 30 years old, he will have played for eight teams, each of which kicked itself for not being able to turn perceived garbage into gold. Bank it.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/he-didnt-leave-a-lastings-impression/

by larry on Apr 8, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

corey patterson can field though.

i think lastings would stand a better chance of sticking somewhere if he could field to that same standard.

by craigws on Apr 8, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you want to say the percentages are not there fine

but stop telling me it can’t happen because that’s simply not true. I’m sure I can find some players who did figure it out a little later to have decent mlb careers. Its like I said. The kid is 25-26. Not 30.

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by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

can it happen?

yes.

is it remotely likely to happen?

no.

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by U-God on Apr 8, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

is it worth 400,000 ?

Yes

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by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

not sure it's worth $400K on this team.

if he’s going to have any chance to improve, he’d have to play way, way more than the white sox ever could let him. and he’s kind of running out of shitty teams who can provide that.

by larry on Apr 8, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was worth $500K when we signed Andruw

because he at least had a pedigree above minor league success. I agree – 1700 ML PA’s is a pretty representative sample.

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by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Andrew had a representative sample of sucking also.

I believe in head games along with stats, but Larry’s point of any real opportunity here is correct.

If I had a dollar for every time someone on this site said something wouldn’t happen I could pay my light bill.

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Wish I could say I was surprised.
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by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's why i wanted him in the minors.

let him play everyday, for whatever that might be worth for a guy who has proven he can hit minor leaguers, and have him stashed in case an injury hits the major league club and they can get him a decent number of PAs. just sticking him on the bench for an intermittent 175 PAs or something isn’t going to result in the outcome the milledge fans on here think is possible.

by larry on Apr 8, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed

In my haste in wanting him right away I neglected that. You Bobby Fishered me.

Some real classy comments on here regarding Nishi.
Wish I could say I was surprised.
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by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

So what happened to "1700 PA's is a representative sample"?

I quote you and you swerve. $400K is “not sure it’s worth..to this team” and then you dodge. You are a slippery fucker.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

i guess you haven't been following the conversations here about this.

he’s fine for depth. his skills are just redundant on this team. he was never going to get any playing time unless there was an injury.

by larry on Apr 8, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess I have.

I also tend to respond to the most recent conversation, as it is generally the most relevant. Why stash him in the minors if he is not going to get better? Or is 1700 PA’s not representative? Or is $400K down the drain a risk worth taking if 1700 PA’s does not measure the true talent he may display?

Pick a hole.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

its not that simple.

stop listening to Ugod.

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by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

It must not be.

Or the Sox would not have fucked this up.

don't worry
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by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

because i can see that a shit player is a shit player?

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by U-God on Apr 8, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

no more like your past comments

imply he’s like the worst guy to ever pick up a bat. His career ops is .723. I’ve seen worst and very recently. I get it. You don’t like the guy.

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by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

i like bench players that can actually play good defense.

i get it. you love the guy.

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by U-God on Apr 8, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

No I don't

I just think he might be worth a flyer. I’m not sold that I “know” his future fully at the ripe age of 25.

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Wish I could say I was surprised.
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by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can you see a shit rooster?

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'm not sure what is confusing you.

he’s fine for depth. by definition, depth players are not as good as the players ahead of them.

by larry on Apr 8, 2011 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not confused by the situation,

just the conversation. You’ve not addressed the inconsistencies in your specific feedback. I agree with your overall concept.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

what is inconsistent?

he’s had 1700 plate appearances. we know what he can do. he can provide depth.

by larry on Apr 8, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

these days

depth is exactly what wu looks for in a man.

by craigws on Apr 8, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stretch!!

Get on back there!!!

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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Apr 8, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

and so is lillibridge

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by U-God on Apr 8, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Turkish lira,

sure.

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by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the obvious answer is.. Jeff Gray.

If that was the option for a 12th pitcher, I can see why you’d try to go with 11 pitchers.

I also doubt KW thought his bullpen would get as much use early as it has. Mediocre pitching and two 12 inning games, did our 11 man pitching staff no favors. If our starters performed up to their expectations, we didn’t have games go into extras, maybe Ohman doesn’t have to face so many righties this early into the season.

It was certainly over-optimistic, but if you think Gray is horseshit, I can understand giving it a shot. Could have just been hoping it’d last long enough that they traded Teahen or at the least found a better option than Gray before they had to cut Milledge. I guess I would be more concerned if we didn’t have Teahen, Viciedo and De Aza to play in the outfield.

And to the above.. Pena is better than a lot of options out of the bullpen, he’s not in the same discussion as Bridge, Milledge, Gray or Ohman. He’s a legitimate major league pitcher.

by Grinder in Training on Apr 8, 2011 8:41 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, you're correct. Marquez.. I don't know how I forgot that.

Considering how much I bitch about the trade, I should at least pay attention to who was involved.

by Grinder in Training on Apr 8, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

hate is a strong word...

but i strongly dislike the way tony pena throws the baseball. he’s not on a mike macdougal level yet, if there were anyone better in the waiting I’d dump him for peanuts. unfortunately there isn’t, really, anyone obviously better, and trading another high ceiling prospect for another middling reliever is not something I’d want to see them do again.

that all boils down to pena staying here for the foreseeable future.

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by Shoeless In SC on Apr 8, 2011 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

BUT THEY'RE STILL BEING PAID MILLIONS OF DOLLARS!

Lucrative or not, I don’t think I ever want to get that drunk again

by moroots on Apr 8, 2011 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol

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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Apr 8, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

see, it's these low expectations everyone places on these guys that gets me.

that bullpen filler promptly lost a game in extras the other night. it’s not like he doesn’t matter. He was just barely over replacement level last year. We have guys in AAA that can be that and might be better.

As a fan, should I care how other teams decide to fill out the back end of their bullpen? Should I lie back when Pena comes in and makes a mess and say, “Oh, well, that was expected to happen every so often. I shouldn’t get upset, after all, he’s no worse than most other team’s guy”. I say screw that. If i see a guy coming in and fucking shit up repeatedly, I’m gonna be upset.

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by Shoeless In SC on Apr 8, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately, or maybe not, every team loses games due to bullpen failure...not just the White Sox

it is just more visible because the White Sox are the team you follow.

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by Rhubarb on Apr 8, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

so we should set high expectations for them?

you can get upset. do whatever you want. just don’t think you’re being rational when you do.

by larry on Apr 8, 2011 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

this cat is getting paid $1.6M to pitch for a team contending for their division title

he should have some sort of expectations on him.

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by Shoeless In SC on Apr 8, 2011 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

then you shouldn't be disappointed in him this year.

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by Shoeless In SC on Apr 8, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

i won't be. the question is, why would anyone be disappointed him.

he’s a below average pitcher. getting upset when below average people perform below average is stupid.

on another note, in this is the supposed schedule for peavy’s rehab starts. obviously subject to change i’d expect at least the last two to be for charlotte.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0408-brite-white-sox-rays-chic20110407,0,4556119.story

by larry on Apr 8, 2011 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

some people still haven't gotten over losing brandon allen.

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by BuehrleMan on Apr 8, 2011 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

last thing I'll say about Pena:

he’s a below average pitcher, and he’s put in role where typically below average pitchers are placed. still, he’s used in situations where I’d prefer he not be used, either by necessity or otherwise. being an emotional fan, no matter what his role or expectations are, I still am going to get upset when he fucks up, because I want my team to have the best chance of winning, and he doesn’t give them that. that’s all.

as for the Peavy schedule, thanks! unsurprisingly, the knights never e-mailed me back :)

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by Shoeless In SC on Apr 8, 2011 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

sweet. I'm eyeing the 23rd or 28th, both home games.

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by Shoeless In SC on Apr 8, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, a 5th starter will be needed in Chicago

on the 19th, 24th, 29th, and May 4th, if they skip the 5th starter via the off day on the 14th. Here’s hoping everything goes well on the farm and he’s up for that Apr 29th game. It would be a terrible, terrible shame if I have to watch the Humbler.

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by RWShow on Apr 8, 2011 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good call by the way on

the after effects of Dunn’s surgery and how patient’s usually feel.

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by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

What'd he say?

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by Shoeless In SC on Apr 8, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

He said he initially felt great after the surgery

and thus “play me Thursday stuff”. Yesterday he didn’t feel so good.

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by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ah. Probably a lot to do with the painkillers he was on too.

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by Shoeless In SC on Apr 8, 2011 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

You say there are a bunch of guys in the minors who can do the same thing

So why use them if you will get the same thing? I think that if you get a guy who isn’t pissing off the veterans, can “consume” innings with any degree of proficiency, has had some success at that level that might be repeatable, why hit the reset button for the same production with a new set of variables?

Even when you have the best bullpen in the game, guys geek out and go through weeks-long slumps. (yes, I typed weeks) Pena could be very open to working with Coop, whereas fantasy-AAA-guy won’t move off of his dead curveball that fools Lastings Milledge in Buffalo, but major leaguers will punish.

by TasteeFreeze on Apr 8, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

have you guys seen who the Twins have after Nathan and Capps?

i bet you can’t name two of them.

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by colintj on Apr 8, 2011 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jesse Crain

Oh wait.

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by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

pat neshek!

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by BuehrleMan on Apr 8, 2011 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

i didn't even realize they let him go

and then i saw him on Sunday night baseball or whatever it was. Giants. Dodgers. something like that.

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by colintj on Apr 8, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

he's on the padres.

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by BuehrleMan on Apr 8, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

and he still does that crazy disco finger point after most of his pitches.

"when the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea." ~~cantona

by BuehrleMan on Apr 8, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

there we go

he’s still fun to watch.

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by colintj on Apr 8, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

do they still have mijares?

and isn’t slowey pitching out of the pen?

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by BuehrleMan on Apr 8, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

twins system middle reliever #946312725 & -6.

I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.

by thatshortkid on Apr 8, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

what do i win?

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by BuehrleMan on Apr 8, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

they still could.

he just got dfa’d by bahstan.

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by BuehrleMan on Apr 8, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

Slowey. Not good enough to start.

by Gentleman Jim on Apr 8, 2011 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pena, Grey and Lilly

Occasionally Pena can eat up some innings in a useful manor. Hopefully Gray can do the same. Didn’t Lilly get 2 hits yeaterday?? What do you want for a 25th man?

by soxfan50 on Apr 8, 2011 9:36 AM CDT reply actions  

as larry pointed out, we should expect to have an all-star...clearly

It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
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by rhythm on Apr 8, 2011 10:00 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Why such the short leash on Milledge though?

Was it all the extra inning games so early in the season? Was it the one costly defensive error by Milledge? Was it suddenly decided that the organization liked Lilly so much better? Count me as another person who doesn’t get it.

Maybe the Sox have a poorly developed sense of Humber…

Adam Dunn is Chicago Tough: "I’m a quick healer, like Wolverine. I asked the doctor yesterday how long these things take and he gave me a general answer for the public. I’m subtracting 15 days off it."

by Juan Uribe's Plate Discipline on Apr 8, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

the extra innings made ozzie more antsy

for that extra bullpen arm.
byebye lastings.

by craigws on Apr 8, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Getting to the soutside a little earlier in the afternoon. 2 or 3.

What is the best suggestion for a good tavern in the area that is open that early?

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by Rhubarb on Apr 8, 2011 11:37 AM CDT reply actions  

Check yer email.

I’m in love! i found a replacement for Freddy!
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by South Side Expat on Apr 8, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

irrational?

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Apr 8, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe you should put a balm on it.

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by MarketMaker on Apr 8, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

sounds like a single ply problem.

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by colintj on Apr 8, 2011 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

"Teahen DH"

hee.

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by thatshortkid on Apr 8, 2011 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't wait to boo that fucker.

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by RWShow on Apr 8, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Makes sense.. he's clearly not trying very hard.

I’ll never understand booing one’s own team as long as the effort is there? What does that accomplish? Will it make him perform better?

by Grinder in Training on Apr 8, 2011 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes.

Yes, it will shame him into lifting his game to new heights.

Which is why I will boo him tonight. In front of my TV.

don't worry
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by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's cathartic for me. I couldn't care less what it does to him.

Should I cheer him just because he’s wearing the right uniform? I’m not a Cubs fan.

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by RWShow on Apr 8, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't wait for him to go 4-4.

I’m in love! i found a replacement for Freddy!
by KenWo4LiFe on Mar 8, 2011

by South Side Expat on Apr 8, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

well you'd better have a seat and take a number. you'll be waiting for a while.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow

White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox

by Shoeless In SC on Apr 9, 2011 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just 3-4.

Fail!

"This is fucking fantatic." - winningugly

by RWShow on Apr 9, 2011 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

the yankees are in trouble,

they have the lithe bartolo colon warming up in the bottom of the 2nd.
this could be entertaining.

by craigws on Apr 8, 2011 1:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Is he the svelte, 185 lb. Colon?

Or is he the huge catfish-looking elephant?

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

See, this is what keeps people "lurking".

How can you compete with this? How?

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your example could lead other repressed men to come out of the closet.

Perhaps SBN could find a way to incorporate such self realizations into their business model. Come out of the closet —> ? —> profit type deal

Lucrative or not, I don’t think I ever want to get that drunk again

by moroots on Apr 8, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

YEAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!

The guy at the bank doesn't care how many trophies you've got!

by 67WMAQ on Apr 8, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

catfish-looking is very accurate. well done.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Apr 8, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think this is underrated.

Original visitors' friend in the Lancaster County area!

by colintj on Apr 8, 2011 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I watch Hughes and Lackey and think huh?

Some real classy comments on here regarding Nishi.
Wish I could say I was surprised.
by twinpirate326

by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think a-rod

just ended lackey’s day.

by craigws on Apr 8, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Buster Olney:
John Lackey and Phil Hughes combined for 41 pitches in the first inning. Exactly zero missed swings.

Hope he’s not writing the 2011 White Sox Anal too. -Sox Machine

by Jack M on Apr 8, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

The amount of time I spent today thinking about

Tony Pena, Lastings Milledge and Brent Killibridge has made me physically ill.

Some real classy comments on here regarding Nishi.
Wish I could say I was surprised.
by twinpirate326

by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 2:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Me too, goddammit.

let’s get back to talking about peavy and dunn’s appendectomy .

Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow

White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox

by Shoeless In SC on Apr 8, 2011 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Peavy is now also getting an appendectomy?

DAMMIT.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, I realized after I sent it you would get confused.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow

White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox

by Shoeless In SC on Apr 8, 2011 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok new topic

DOes anyone else think they should use Dunn’s appendix to reinforce Pevy’s lat?

by joewho112 on Apr 8, 2011 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stem cells, baby!

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just hope Bacon...

can forget about Dunn’s recovery and focus on hitting.

NISFW (now it's safe for work!)

by greenlight on Apr 8, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

what a stupid thread

milledge sucks, lillibridge sucks, pena sucks, our AAA guys suck more. the end

I hope Kotsay gets hit by a dump truck and slips into a coma where he is stuck forever in Baseball purgatory having to bat against a three-headed, six-armed Lefty Hydra consisting of Billy Wagner, Damaso Marte, and Randy Johnson. - Shoeless In SC
It's like trying to sneak the sun past the rooster. - Hawk Harrelson

by blackoutsox on Apr 8, 2011 2:31 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

could be worse.

could be arguing about our lack of a dh.

by craigws on Apr 8, 2011 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

see you can rant here uninhibited

Some real classy comments on here regarding Nishi.
Wish I could say I was surprised.
by twinpirate326

by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol. well said.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow

White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox

by Shoeless In SC on Apr 8, 2011 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

unacceptable, tivo.

shame on you for thinking the encore of yesterday’s game that is playing now is the same as tonight’s game and recording now instead of later. what if I had gone out and purposely avoided all game information and then come back home to an empty tivo? UNACCEPTABLE.

by Trooper on Apr 8, 2011 2:35 PM CDT reply actions  

i did not know about this app.

Original visitors' friend in the Lancaster County area!

by colintj on Apr 8, 2011 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

they have an ipad app, and otherwise the ability to schedule stuff on the web

sox are set to automatically record all games, and its been really good about never fucking that up. maybe a few games in the many years I’ve had it. was just dumb luck that I was home and saw the recording light on and wondered what it was.

by Trooper on Apr 8, 2011 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

"first run only"?

I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.

by thatshortkid on Apr 8, 2011 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah. but not sure what it would be since they're on different channels anyways.

anyways looks like the future replays are sorted out right, so nobody needs to die.

by Trooper on Apr 8, 2011 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

nah, it was part of conspiracy notes on the chalkboard.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-april-7-2011/barack-obamayan

but the whole bit from the start is pretty good.

I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.

by thatshortkid on Apr 8, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

for the first time this season (but likely not the last)

this is the comment where i express my dismay that tonight’s game is being broadcast by wciu. if you were not aware, the reason for my dismay is that i would like to watch the game but wciu’s broadcast does not extend to where i live.
nuts.

"when the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea." ~~cantona

by BuehrleMan on Apr 8, 2011 2:50 PM CDT reply actions  

yesterday some dumbfuck doesn't know about radios.

today some dumbfuck doesn’t know about cars. it’s 2:53. you live in champaign-urbana. you have plenty of time.

by larry on Apr 8, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

when did the old Larry return?

lmao

Some real classy comments on here regarding Nishi.
Wish I could say I was surprised.
by twinpirate326

by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think WU and I brought him back over the past few days.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow

White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox

by Shoeless In SC on Apr 8, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

"larry".

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

don't even need to drive halfway to get a weak signal.

man up, throw the tv in the back seat, and get movin.

by Trooper on Apr 8, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

always so helpful. :(

"when the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea." ~~cantona

by BuehrleMan on Apr 8, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

i have dish network

half the time i can’t even find the game. I wind up watching all in the family.

by Hatchetm on Apr 8, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Meathed.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Big bad Booby Jenks in now

Some real classy comments on here regarding Nishi.
Wish I could say I was surprised.
by twinpirate326

by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 3:20 PM CDT reply actions  

oops.

Some real classy comments on here regarding Nishi.
Wish I could say I was surprised.
by twinpirate326

by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

was just watching that.

couldn’t through a strike his first six pitches then struck out a-rod.

by craigws on Apr 8, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Manny busted again?

retired?

Some real classy comments on here regarding Nishi.
Wish I could say I was surprised.
by twinpirate326

by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 3:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Wow.

With a whimper. HOF?

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

By the numbers, yes.

But I don’t think he’ll get in because of his dedication perceptions and questions about PEDs

AJ Pierzynski: You have to want to catch.

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Apr 8, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

disagree. and dedication? seriously?

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Apr 8, 2011 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

valid

he quit on the bosox before getting shipped out. That whole, ‘I don’t remember which of my knees is hurting me right now’ event.

by coffeepac on Apr 8, 2011 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

there may be some douchebags that try to create that argument for the sake of discussion.

.312/.411/.585 career. 154 OPS+.

i don’t like him, but he’s a HOFer.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Apr 8, 2011 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Turn your back on millions for an occasional "J"?

Idiot, or he needs help.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Then he can do good by doing well

and laying off the weed. Could build lots of ballfields in the Dominican with that cabbage.

Manny ain’t no Pedro. FMRAHW.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

he can't do both?

I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.

by thatshortkid on Apr 8, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not if he's getting drug tested he can't.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

If he's supposeed to adhere to testing,

and he’s not clean, he can’t continue to refuse “treatment” or intervention and stay employed. I would imagine that might be why he is retiring.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

are we still talking about a nearly 40 yr old washed up mega rich guy smoking weed?

YAWN!!

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Apr 8, 2011 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

you read "sigh"?

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Apr 8, 2011 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

i don't know what you're saying.

him working or not this season has nothing to do with his ability to be charitable. its perfectly reasonable for him to quit over the slightest inconvenience.

by Trooper on Apr 8, 2011 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you being obtuse on purpose?

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Answer the question.

$2MM more to help is $2MM more to help – all for staying clean and playing baseball. Tough fucking decision if you are a mensch. Pedro is a mensch.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

so we're operating in a world where he gives his entire fortune away

and should work so he can give 2M on top of that.

ok. I didn’t realize we were in that world.

by Trooper on Apr 8, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now you are being a douchebag.

“I’d play for free” is the mantra of folks who love the game. He’s made $200MM. Yeah, he can give $2MM away. Or not. He can be Mother Teresa and make a lot of kids happy or not. But all he has to do is be clean and play ball. That’s the fucking point.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

He can give away more.

For playing ball and not getting high. So getting high is more important – the personal choice to literally piss away a gift he can give that about .001% of humanity can give – than helping others.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was busy.

You are not the only goof in the room. Get over yourself. ;)

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's the same argument as "I demand the best 25 men possible"

There is no counter. Manny should try to make every dollar that exists in the world so he can donate it. He’ll never do enough.

The guy doesn’t want to play baseball, anymore. He doesn’t owe it to anybody to keep pissing in a cup this year so he can make more phantom money that he can phantom contribute.

by TasteeFreeze on Apr 8, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

this

i don’t get the moral outrage.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Apr 8, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

of course, if we all just refresh the espn story, it says the nyt is claiming he popped for PEDs in spring training

so all this weed talk is a smokescreen.

I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.

by thatshortkid on Apr 8, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

i was gonna say

why was everyone assuming it was weed and not steroids. (or masking agents)

"when the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea." ~~cantona

by BuehrleMan on Apr 8, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was a philosophical discussion

once weed entered into it. I’m in it for the mental exercise.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

damnit, wu was right.

he was just trying to perform so he could score a big contract and help the children!

by Trooper on Apr 8, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I said weed

but I think it’s important right now to flush out all of winningugly’s issues right now before the meth-up.

I wouldn’t want him pulling this shit while I’m drunk out of my gourd.

by TasteeFreeze on Apr 8, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

It is not in the least.

He “owes” no one anything, unless you want to talk about a greater accountability to a “moral” standard. It ain’t phantom money. And with the clients I deal with who I like dealing with it’s all about the legacy you leave – once your own nut’s been covered.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

"not in the least" is a pretty sweeping argument

There ain’t any moral standard. People give what they need to quell the quilt. That’s my philosophy, anyway.

Yes, it’s great when rich people give tons of money to charity. But, like rock stars, you’re talking about guys who started making millions when they were a couple years removed from popping zits and popping boners over the slightest provocation.

He’s probably blown through alot of money paying off bills and buying houses for his parents and such. He’s probably had a bunch stolen by “investment counsellors” and hangers-on. It’s not like he’s a majority share-holder in Shell Oil. He blew his wad, and got real paid. Now he has to budget it.

No, this isn’t a big pity post for Manny, but after 10-15 years of paydays, my first thought would be that the guy either smoked a joint in late January, or took something that’s on a restricted list too late in the off-season for it to filter out, and just figured he’s done.

It was a big deal for him to get this contract. He’s going to miss 2/3 of the season, anyway, and he’s going to have to piss in a jar and stay in shape for 4 months to get 600k this year. My thought is after the 20 million dollar seasons he’s had, it’s not worth the effort to get $600k (<$400 after taxes).

This season was just going to be a tune-up for him to get the last 2-3 year contract, and I would imagine, seeing his production with the WSox, that the writing’s on the wall for him, and it isn’t worth the effort.

by TasteeFreeze on Apr 8, 2011 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

did he say he was playing this season for charity or something?

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Apr 8, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's theoretical.

FFS, I’m out. Go work with underprivileged kids, or blind people, and listen to how the services to these folks are all being cut at federal, state, and local levels. People are hurting. And some knuckleheads want Manny to be able to get high. Me too. So that isn’t the way it is. So adjust to help those that need help.

Manny is one selfish fucker. Or he is one sick fucker. Either way, FMR.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

That charity needs to extend to their fans.

They need the help. Vegas will see this team in 3-5 years.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brooklyn

Original visitors' friend in the Lancaster County area!

by colintj on Apr 8, 2011 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

thats the only way this conversation remotely makes sense

and even then he can easily keep his commitment to the charity.

by Trooper on Apr 8, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Manny has been smart about his money

I’m sure he has plenty of investment income that he can give away.

Lucrative or not, I don’t think I ever want to get that drunk again

by moroots on Apr 8, 2011 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you are remotely familiar with any Jews

you’d not have to ask.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't ask.

for the sake of my best jokes I have to retain plausible deniablity.

by Trooper on Apr 8, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do I really have to stop a Jew from making

Jewish racial jokes?

Some real classy comments on here regarding Nishi.
Wish I could say I was surprised.
by twinpirate326

by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fail:

1. “Jew” is not a race.
2. I am not a Jew.
3. It was not a joke.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I apologize

I was typing as you posted. I wanted to say Jewish not Jew. And I obvious don’t know Yiddish because I looked it up and realized it wasnt a joke.

Some real classy comments on here regarding Nishi.
Wish I could say I was surprised.
by twinpirate326

by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

No worries, dogg.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

rehab? for marijuana? boo this man!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rpvnQ5rd1M

I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.

by thatshortkid on Apr 8, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

get used to it.

drug testing by charities about whether to accept big fat checks will become more commonplace, too. more and more regulation.

I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.

by thatshortkid on Apr 8, 2011 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

You're in the most regulated state in the Union.

You know which way the wind is blowing.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

My small firm is negotiating a huge deal with a company we will be remote hosting

The client wants the right to audit and drug test us.

Some real classy comments on here regarding Nishi.
Wish I could say I was surprised.
by twinpirate326

by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Get used to it.

Financial audits will become more commonplace, too. More and more regulation.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think they should be able to drug test us.

and no I don’t have concerns about passing.

Some real classy comments on here regarding Nishi.
Wish I could say I was surprised.
by twinpirate326

by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fucker went only for the joke.

Win.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, I had a kickass one for his comment above,

but it might have been too far. Didn’t want to test the noose.

"This is fucking fantatic." - winningugly

by RWShow on Apr 8, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't think you'd have a problem passing (heh).

And I agree with you. Federal employees already get tested. Private workers are having to submit more often if they want the work. “Wal-Mart is a drug-free environment” and shit. I hate it. My kid is at the Statue of Liberty today – I teared up at the picture of The Lady – and it pisses me off how our freedoms are disappearing.

Get used to it or move.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I miss when we had the freedom to do illegal drugs!

(Just a joke, I don’t at all disagree with the sentiment.)

"This is fucking fantatic." - winningugly

by RWShow on Apr 8, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's different for wu. he was around before all the drugs were outlawed.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Apr 8, 2011 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

you know how much condoms cost back in the day?

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Apr 8, 2011 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's about their clients' clients' clients demanding drug testing is done all down the line

A bank wants to hire an email company. They want the email company to do drug-testing, because they’re sloppy with their own databases, want to indemnify themselves, and pass the responsibility down the line.

Email company uses a hosting company, hosting company has to drug test because that’s what the bank demands. Hosting company uses Geek squad sometimes, and they have to drug test, as a condition of all the contracts and demands of the bank.

Fuck Earth.

by TasteeFreeze on Apr 8, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

FYME?

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Im confused as hell

Im going to smoke a joint.

Some real classy comments on here regarding Nishi.
Wish I could say I was surprised.
by twinpirate326

by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Meanwhile there are a lot of CPA firms that have given up the audit practice altogether

The liability is too great, plus they (the accounting rules makers) are making the documentation and disclosures aspects extremely onerous.

Lucrative or not, I don’t think I ever want to get that drunk again

by moroots on Apr 8, 2011 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

he's made well over $200 million in his career.

i’m thinking $2 million isn’t the same to him as it is to you.

by larry on Apr 8, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Read further down.

$2MM can buy a lot of baseballs and shoes for kids.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

From an attorney.

I am shock.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

i don't see what this has to do with that.

he doesn’t want to put in the effort to play anymore. big deal. let me know your thoughts on that pussy bill gates. quits working so he can spend all his time giving away money. fucker should be working on his legacy (read: making as much money as possible) and leaving the giving away money to cure malaria shit to an employee.

by larry on Apr 8, 2011 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL.

One of the most charitable guys in the world being compared to Manny. Your debating skills are marvelous. Manny gets high = Bill gives money away and doesn’t “work” while MSFT makes more money than God for him. LOL.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Im going to guess how you feel about Ricky Williams.

Some real classy comments on here regarding Nishi.
Wish I could say I was surprised.
by twinpirate326

by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

You'd be wrong. Football is war. Guys die early and are debilitated.

I don’t blame Ricky at all. And the guy has a legitimate social anxiety disorder.

Plus, he just might be addicted. I have all the empathy in the world for Ricky.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am so confuse.

you are deeeper than your many many many many many years.

by Trooper on Apr 8, 2011 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

You joke.

But, yes.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

This doesn't make sense.

Unless he gives away every $ he earns, what’s the difference? What if his plan was to give away $10m this year regardless of whether he had an income or lived off of his savings? Would you still call his decision to quit selfish in light of those circumstances?

Lucrative or not, I don’t think I ever want to get that drunk again

by moroots on Apr 8, 2011 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of course there is a difference.

Because people I know give away their earnings if they have enough to live on – if that is their personal “mission”. My bitch is that – in theory, if he would rather get high than stay clean and play ball – his decision is selfish because of the amount of good he could do by simply staying straight.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

No.

And if it is truly that difficult of a choice for him then I would say he has a problem, and I would have more of a concern fofr him than being pissed. But if he’s a lazy fuck then I say – yeah, it’s opinionated – he coulda done better.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

how is it any different for manny’s investments to make money for him than bill gates’ investments to make money for him. guy doesn’t want to work anymore. so what.

by larry on Apr 8, 2011 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

So what's Manny doing with his time off?

Getting high. What’s Gates doing with his time off? Putting Buffett’s billions to work to help eradicate AIDS, or malaria, or feed underprivileged kids.

I’ll stick with the Gates model. But I’m closer to Death than most of you. I get it – you don’t get the “legacy” thing. You will. Talk to your Dads.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Idiot.

His grandkids are his legacy. If he had millions or billions he’s be doing other things, too, I would hope.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not really.

Again, even if he spends the rest of his life coaching kids he could’ve leveraged his time with the dollars he could’ve earned by not testing positive.

He coulda done better.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

so after taxes and the additional expenses of living in tampa etc.

we’re probably talking less than a million dollars. what an asshole manny is.

by larry on Apr 8, 2011 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

He coulda done better.

Is there a problem with doing better?

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

i agree. manny did not attain perfection. he's a complete joker.

you must always sell tops and buy bottoms.

what the hell are you going on about?

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Apr 8, 2011 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mr. Capitalist,

look at your sig. Just from that perspective you should agree that Manny is wasting his talent by (theory, remember) getting high. Never can have too much money.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

the sig is a joke.

and if the stars align, i’ll be out of this game in a heartbeat.
i love the game, but i work to live. not vice versa.
you’d better believe it i get 8 figures clear that i will sit back and enjoy life.
that’s why i chose trading. get rich and get out.
working at 50 is for suckers. (no offense)

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Apr 8, 2011 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

What do you trade MM?

Just curious. I’ve got friends at the CBOE that trade S&P options

Lucrative or not, I don’t think I ever want to get that drunk again

by moroots on Apr 8, 2011 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

equity. and my firm is completely computerized and off the floor.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Apr 8, 2011 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

None taken.

I don’t work because I’ve got nothing to do. I’ve got a kid, a wife, and a mortgage. If I didn’t I’d still do something to give me purpose. And if I could play baseball and give it all away I’d sign up for that immediately.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

and that's what happens when people ascribe their beliefs, values and dreams to others.

manny’s been a pro baseball player for twenty years. compared to what he once was, he sucks. if he wants to retire, for whatever reason, he should.

by larry on Apr 8, 2011 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Funny.

I believe you also extrapolate your belief system to him. You have no idea of his motivation, and neither do I, to retire. This is all speculation. Which is why it’s fun.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

i.e.

what say you if he drank a 2M bottle of wine?

by Trooper on Apr 8, 2011 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love Catholic school guys.

I was one. Enjoy the evening, and see you on the GT. I’m headed out to dinner.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

gates was an assclown during his time on.

not like manny didn’t do charity work during his:

http://www.google.com/search?q=manny+ramirez+charity

I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.

by thatshortkid on Apr 8, 2011 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have always found it odd that the people who the most

by percentage of income to charity are the very rich and the slightly poor to avg.
Its the fuckers in the middle who are cheap.

Some real classy comments on here regarding Nishi.
Wish I could say I was surprised.
by twinpirate326

by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

give the most

Some real classy comments on here regarding Nishi.
Wish I could say I was surprised.
by twinpirate326

by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good call.

There are reasons, but it’s a good call.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is funny

as if you personify all shock.

by TasteeFreeze on Apr 8, 2011 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was a joke - sort of.

But you’re the guy who started the “weed” deal, so I get it.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

link

linky

Some real classy comments on here regarding Nishi.
Wish I could say I was surprised.
by twinpirate326

by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

surprised i haven't seen this mentioned,

but do the rays just call it a season at this point, trade off who they need to and call up their minor league talent? or does the red sox similarly bad start incline them to keep going?

by craigws on Apr 8, 2011 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

they can pitch and defend their way to a WC still i think.

Longoria needs to come back and start killing it though.

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by colintj on Apr 8, 2011 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

he's out for a few weeks though, isn't he?

at the current rate, they may be screwed by that point.

i know the expectation is always that a team will perform to its true talent over 162 games, but given the start they’ve had along with the manny nonsense, it’ll be interesting to watch them over the next fortnight.
as u-god pointed out, the timing of this series and the fact that we don’t play them later in the season has certainly benefitted us. hopefully we pile on the misery.

by craigws on Apr 8, 2011 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

i don't know a ton about all the competitive teams in the AL

but it seems like it’s possible that at sub-90 win team could pull of the WC. if the Red Sox are in fact crappy (i.e. <90 wins) for some reason, anyway. in that case, the Rays could make that happen.

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by colintj on Apr 8, 2011 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah,

this season may have been a good one to have a relative ‘lull’ for them.
can’t see a team besides texas hitting 90 wins in the west, dunno about those pesky twain in the central, and yeah, weird red sox in the east.
that (sort of) said, i wouldn’t be amazed to see toronto make it.

by craigws on Apr 8, 2011 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

could be

i haven’t checked what’s typical for a WC team before, so maybe that’s a bad assumption. if that’s the case, it would actually kick up the Sox’ chances quite a bit, so here’s hoping.

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by colintj on Apr 8, 2011 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

*off

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by colintj on Apr 8, 2011 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

if that happens i suggest we crucify will ohman

on chicago’s golgotha:
the pitcher’s mound at wrigley field.

by craigws on Apr 8, 2011 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

wow you are truly insane with this

hmmm.

Some real classy comments on here regarding Nishi.
Wish I could say I was surprised.
by twinpirate326

by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

learn to read a joke tdogg

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Apr 8, 2011 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

that was a joke

Some real classy comments on here regarding Nishi.
Wish I could say I was surprised.
by twinpirate326

by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Manny to retire

He’s scared of da Sox

by 815Sox on Apr 8, 2011 3:41 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

you da man

Some real classy comments on here regarding Nishi.
Wish I could say I was surprised.
by twinpirate326

by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know good and well

Manny is a steroid junky

I'm married to The Chicago White Sox, Loving The Chicago Blackhawks!
Uncle AJ says :Deal With It! A Chicago Woman Forever!

by pierzynskirules on Apr 8, 2011 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes

I'm married to The Chicago White Sox, Loving The Chicago Blackhawks!
Uncle AJ says :Deal With It! A Chicago Woman Forever!

by pierzynskirules on Apr 8, 2011 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

He sucks...good bye HoF chances

If you chase two rabbits both will escape!

by JofpGallagher on Apr 8, 2011 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's almost like the upper part of the thread never happened.

like it was sucked into some space-time vacuum.

Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow

White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox

by Shoeless In SC on Apr 9, 2011 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

he lost them after the first time

I'm married to The Chicago White Sox, Loving The Chicago Blackhawks!
Uncle AJ says :Deal With It! A Chicago Woman Forever!

by pierzynskirules on Apr 8, 2011 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

We need the today's game to start soon

by how this thread is growing I can tell many of us are bored and have nothing to do!!! I am still at work….. I need a drink….and sooooooon

If you chase two rabbits both will escape!

by JofpGallagher on Apr 8, 2011 4:05 PM CDT reply actions  

I actually think its a function of winning

I prefer to be scarce when we get the shit kicked out of us.

Some real classy comments on here regarding Nishi.
Wish I could say I was surprised.
by twinpirate326

by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

for approximately the last two hours i have thought this thread was the RRRR.

i am officially proclaiming this thread brutal.
i need a drink.

"when the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea." ~~cantona

by BuehrleMan on Apr 8, 2011 4:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Hug it out bitches.

Lucrative or not, I don’t think I ever want to get that drunk again

by moroots on Apr 8, 2011 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed.

horse shit thread

UZR: Oh the underwear I’ve seen.

by e-gus on Apr 8, 2011 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I sincerely hope there is baseball tonight

We’re doomed if not.

Some real classy comments on here regarding Nishi.
Wish I could say I was surprised.
by twinpirate326

by Tdogg on Apr 8, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

looks good so far

http://www.weather.com/weather/hourbyhour/graph/36728:20

I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.

by thatshortkid on Apr 8, 2011 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the engagement - really.

I love you guys. Now I am going out to get hammered.

don't worry
you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

by winningugly on Apr 8, 2011 5:09 PM CDT reply actions  

how selfish

Think how many bottles of water you could buy for underprivledged children with that booze money…think about how many lives you could have improved volunteering instead of complaining about manny getting high…so selfish

by ndsoxfan on Apr 8, 2011 7:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

The first night of the year I''m home in time to watch the game on TV--it's on freaking WCIU which does not reach here in Iowa

And WGN America is having a New Adventures of Old Christine marathon over the Bulls game.

Looks like double barreled gamecasts (and Sox radio) tonight.

Our manager wears 13, we were supposedly cursed, and we wear black. Let's play.

by ChiSoxRox on Apr 8, 2011 6:03 PM CDT reply actions  

how tech savvy are you?

do you have a HDTV with HDMI in and a laptop with HDMI out? If either was bought in the last 3 years, chances are good you do.

Get an HDMI cable, MLB.TV and a couch positioned next to your monster flatscreen. Not quite broadcast HD quality but 90% as good, cheap, and easy.

by madvillian on Apr 8, 2011 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Eh, thank goodness for MLB Gameday

Our manager wears 13, we were supposedly cursed, and we wear black. Let's play.

by ChiSoxRox on Apr 8, 2011 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

not the same though

2011 WhiteSox Baseball: we're all in

by OznCoop on Apr 8, 2011 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

The radio feed's allright

(And I’ll be able to watch the archived game tomorrow morning but of course without the suspense.)

Our manager wears 13, we were supposedly cursed, and we wear black. Let's play.

by ChiSoxRox on Apr 8, 2011 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

WGN != WGN America when it comes to bulls/hawks games, unfortunately.

I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.

by thatshortkid on Apr 8, 2011 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

iowa's pretty much the worst place for mlb.tv. it's a rainbow of blackouts:

I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.

by thatshortkid on Apr 8, 2011 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

proxies haven't worked for me in a while on MLBtv

i’m not super tech savvy though.

Original visitors' friend in the Lancaster County area!

by colintj on Apr 8, 2011 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think i got boned trying to do proxies last year too. maybe VPN will work.

a free saturday and a FOX game will get me to find out. though really i should ping a college buddy that works for MLBAM now.

I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.

by thatshortkid on Apr 8, 2011 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah you should

i think they put me on a list of some kind that made me have to call them repeatedly. the story was that i use wifi and so they couldn’t nail down my IP exactly. but everyone uses wifi and i was clearly somewhere in Detroit 9/10 of the time, so i think maybe the few times i was in Canada or Mexico for some reason was…suspicious.

Original visitors' friend in the Lancaster County area!

by colintj on Apr 8, 2011 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

and i still don't get why MLB cares if someone wants to watch on their comp

since anyone who could watch in on TV would obviously rather do that. there aren’t that many folks with Roku boxes. and if there were, they should still want them to be able to watch.

Original visitors' friend in the Lancaster County area!

by colintj on Apr 8, 2011 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

even though it's not at all possible for them to watch telecasts

or go to games. MLB knows its shit.

Original visitors' friend in the Lancaster County area!

by colintj on Apr 8, 2011 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have been looking for the data to put together a map that shows where teams can be seen on TV vs where they're blacked out

since for a while I lived in an area that was blacked out for the Cubs, Sox, and Reds, and which only got Cardinals games on tv.

"I'm the Chicago man. I'm vital in Chicago." -Willy Ohman, Act 1

by mechanical turk on Apr 8, 2011 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

AAAAAAAAAAAND scene!

I hope Kotsay gets hit by a dump truck and slips into a coma where he is stuck forever in Baseball purgatory having to bat against a three-headed, six-armed Lefty Hydra consisting of Billy Wagner, Damaso Marte, and Randy Johnson. - Shoeless In SC
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by blackoutsox on Apr 8, 2011 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

We need a recap for this thread.

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