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The 25th man can only do so much

A lot of ink -- electronic and otherwise -- was spent on the battle between Brent Lillibridge and Lastings Milledge for the last roster spot. The non-roster invitee Milledge forced his way into the picture by hitting .305/.425/.525, and eventually forced his way onto the roster as Kenny Williams made the unusual decision to go with a six-man bullpen.

Ozzie Guillen couldn't figure out how to use Milledge, but he actually used him enough to figure out he was a defensive liability. It took 11 whole innings. Given Milledge's limited utility and a number of unimpressive starts from the rotation, Guillen thought he'd get more use out of a seventh reliever.

Up came Jeff Gray, who was mostly off the radar during the competition for the last spot on the pitching staff. In the shadows of the spirited competition between Philip Humber and Jeff Marquez, Gray posted an unremarkable stat line (9 1/3 IP, 12 H, 7 ER, 4 BB, 4 K).

Yet he must have done enough to impress Don Cooper and the gang, because when the Sox reverted to their seven-man bullpen, Gray received the surprising promotion. He contributed two more innings than Milledge, and he provided far more value, but he met the same fate. His time with the White Sox was cut short, as, oh, I'm terribly sorry, but that's Jake Peavy's seat you're sitting in. Your seat is way ... back ... there. How embarrassing this must be for you, I'm sure...

Anywhoozle, the Sox needed to designate Milledge for free agency, which seemed like a risk for the depth-starved Sox. Other teams chose to buy into the poor defensive reputation rather than the gaudy spring training numbers.

Were they right? Well, Milledge is hitting ..204/.276/.258 with the Knights, so ... probably.

I figured this was a story worth reviewing as we wait to see what happens with Gray. But also, it's a friendly reminder that spring training numbers and the battle for the 25th roster spot really don't matter all that much. It's all up to the regular position players to carry the weight, which is why the Sox have backed themselves into a corner. Or painted themselves up against a wall.

And that's a lesson I'll happily neglect when spring training rolls around next year, because without those trivial head-to-head battles, there would be next to nothing to write about.

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*Along the same lines, James looks at the dead/comatose weight in the starting nine and looks for solutions.

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*Juan Pierre is trying to put all his struggles in the rear-view mirror.

*Adam Dunn is feeling good and covering the whole plate.

*Mark Buehrle is aging gracefully.

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very excited for the Hawk and Wimpy reunion.

i don’t know why it got busted up- i’ve heard it was hawks call… but i wish they were still together to this day. dj was a bust in the TV booth. And i know Stone has been with us for awhile now- but every time i hear his voice it reminds me of when i was a little kid being pissed off at WGN because that blubbering loudmouth Harry Carey and his partner in crime Stone were on instead of Duck Tales. That was unacceptable. he’ll always be a cubs announcer to me.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on May 13, 2011 6:09 AM CDT reply actions  

There is no kinda hate like KenWo hate.

Beer, it’s just a vehicle for my favorite drug, the celery for my peanut butter.
-Grinder in Training

by South Side Expat on May 13, 2011 7:07 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

stoney is not on my list....... yet.

but i don’t care for him. in my opinion he often acts like a smarmy, pompous twat. (broadcasting the game is one thing. except for the near constant throat clearing he’s halfway ok at that, but have you heard him take callers’ questions on the score? ugh. sure some of the callers are dumb, but some aren’t and he can really come off as a know it all douchenozzle.)

slightly fewer disheartening games lately. possibly no longer banjaxed.

by BuehrleMan on May 13, 2011 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

i think he's a good baseball man.

but i can’t help but think of the Cubs when i hear him. Granted he calls a better game than Jackson did and to that I’m thankful.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on May 13, 2011 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ducktales was a great show

but in retrospect, little Kenwo and little Rhubarb probably liked the show because of its overtly capitalist and selfish message. Watching an elderly white male duck Swimming in gold coins is capitalist porn.

by Rhubarb on May 13, 2011 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Capitalist… not the word I think of when I think Rhubarb.

I have obviously missed something.

now i feel highly umkempt - pierzynskirules

by RWShow on May 13, 2011 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

What choice do I have?

To force my family to live in abject poverty? I sell people to corporations to make 25-30% of their first years total compensation. Making money off of other peoples hard work can’t possibly get more capitalist.

by Rhubarb on May 13, 2011 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds good to me. Sign me up!

We all make mistakes wu.. I’m sure there has been a few times I was drunk enough that I forgot to put the booze in - Grinder in Training

by Shoeless In SC on May 13, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Scottish. Unless whosh.

We all make mistakes wu.. I’m sure there has been a few times I was drunk enough that I forgot to put the booze in - Grinder in Training

by Shoeless In SC on May 13, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

psh.

just like african american jews. I’m sure they exist. but i can’t recall ever seeing one.

We all make mistakes wu.. I’m sure there has been a few times I was drunk enough that I forgot to put the booze in - Grinder in Training

by Shoeless In SC on May 13, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

they all become jewish when they leave,

see the parents/grandparents of salinger, downey jr, duchovny, hammerstein.

by craigws on May 13, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe we can put this humor on the RR, folks.

And despite his prodigious, powerful display,Battling loneliness, rage, misery
There really isn’t much else left to say.

by winningugly on May 13, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sammy Davis Jr. and Rod Carew

Members of the 13th tribe.

sideways smiley face

by TasteeFreeze on May 13, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now I have that theme song stuck in my head and now I hope you a-holes do too

Life is like a hurricane
Here in Duckburg
Race cars, lasers, aeroplanes
It’s a duck-blur
Might solve a mystery
Or rewrite history

CHORUS:
DuckTales (oooh ooooh)
Every day they’re out there making
DuckTales (oooh ooooh)
Tales of daring do bad and good
LuckTales (oooh ooooh)

When it seems they’re heading for the
Final curtain
Cool deduction never fails
That’s for certain
The worst of messes
Become successes

CHORUS

D-D-D-Danger! Watch behind you
There’s a stranger out to find you
What to do? Just grab on to some DuckTales

CHORUS

D-D-D-Danger! Watch behind you
There’s a stranger out to find you
What to do? Just grab on to some …

CHORUS (Twice)

Not pony tales or cotton tales, no
DuckTales (ooh ooooh)

It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted

by Scotty Ballgame on May 13, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

great show.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on May 13, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

you only like it because youre from Dickberg.

I really wish he would have broken his hand, never pitched again, then got AIDS when a pack of AIDS-wolves kidnapped and wolf-raped him. -tasteefreeze

by e-gus on May 13, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hawk's a know-it-all too. Is he listed?

I’m perfectly willing to put up with Stone’s arrogance because he’s really good at what he does. The DJ years were INSUFFERABLE. All you have to do to remind yourself of that is put on the damn radio. Stone was such a massive upgrade that any minor quibble I could possibly have with him is easily forgiven.

now i feel highly umkempt - pierzynskirules

by RWShow on May 13, 2011 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

rwshow has got a lot of work to doooooo

I really wish he would have broken his hand, never pitched again, then got AIDS when a pack of AIDS-wolves kidnapped and wolf-raped him. -tasteefreeze

by e-gus on May 13, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

argh.

slightly fewer disheartening games lately. possibly no longer banjaxed.

by BuehrleMan on May 13, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's the sound I made, too.

now i feel highly umkempt - pierzynskirules

by RWShow on May 13, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

i don't think stone is bad, i just find myself liking him less and less.

there most definitely could be worse. hell, there’s even worse than dj. remember singleton? listening to him attempt play by play was disheartening. at least dj provides some amusement with his inanities.

as far as hawk for whatever reason i’m more willing to take the good with the bad. he has catchphrases dadgummit, so listening to him is like a double edged positive sword!

slightly fewer disheartening games lately. possibly no longer banjaxed.

by BuehrleMan on May 13, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

This may be a little OT, but Bill Wennington and his new radio catchphrases:

Consider for the list.

Someone must’ve told him to be more like Stacey King this year, and he has come up with the most irritating catchphrases I’ve ever heard.

Why buy the cow when the milk is kinda bitchy?

by SkanchoDanza on May 13, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

It doesn't help

That he seems to be getting a lot of love on Twitter for them. I assume if people repeated what I was saying, I’d assume it’s going well too.

by Grinder in Training on May 13, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

no more basketball for me.

i followed the bulls from the mengelt and boerwinkle era through jordan’s last year. been done since then. (while flipping channels yesterday i stopped on the bulls game for a couple minutes. i couldn’t believe they were playing loud music and or loud PA/sound effects nonsense directing people what to chant during the game. (i thought they only played music during timeouts or breaks in play) they played that fucking “everybody clap yo hands” BS loud and kept playing it while the bulls had the ball. terrible.)

slightly fewer disheartening games lately. possibly no longer banjaxed.

by BuehrleMan on May 13, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Listening to sports talk radio is your problem.

But I find that Stone’s utter ineptitude with Picks to Clicks keeps him real.

Whales! Squids! Sharks! They're everywhere! Hello, I am Poseidon! Now, when people told me I was crazy that thinly sliced roast beef would be a delicious fast-food option, I knew it was the greatest idea, and you can thank me later for Arby's.

by Jim Margalus on May 13, 2011 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like Stone on the radio when somebody who knows something is asking the questions.

Callers are usually unbelievably stupid.

now i feel highly umkempt - pierzynskirules

by RWShow on May 13, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Milledge" typo, Jim.

And despite his prodigious, powerful display,Battling loneliness, rage, misery
There really isn’t much else left to say.

by winningugly on May 13, 2011 7:15 AM CDT reply actions  

I don't get it.

And despite his prodigious, powerful display,Battling loneliness, rage, misery
There really isn’t much else left to say.

by winningugly on May 13, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

no i don't newbie.

nobody started using " Don't Stop believing" until the @whitesox did fo for their 2005 championship run. STOP BEING A BITER!!!!!!! #WHITESOX

by pierzynskirules on May 13, 2011 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good post

only nitpick: DFA=Designate For Assignment, not Designate Free Agent… a claimant would be responsible for the Sox’ (cheap) contract with Milledge (as a normal waiver claim).

So who’s the 25th man now? When the Sox trade the entire AAA team for Carlos Beltran and a desparately needed bag of baseballs, who’s getting DFAed?

by snoopy369 on May 13, 2011 7:35 AM CDT reply actions  

And don't say lillibridge

He can’t get the Dewayne Wise treatment…

by snoopy369 on May 13, 2011 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

We can't afford Beltran

He is making 18 millions, and we will have to eat half of it approx….It would be nice to have a healthy Beltran (does it exist?) rather than Pierre though. .
Maybe he will end up being a cubbie…Enlace

If you chase two rabbits both will escape!

by JofpGallagher on May 13, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I haven't seen anything on here about Herr Teahen's injury

Are we still looking at Viciedo or are they going to wait it out and see if Teahenz can rebound quickly?

by Rhubarb on May 13, 2011 8:58 AM CDT reply actions  

Obliques are touchy things.

At least re: basketball. Grant Hill last month advised JJ Redick to not rush his comeback from an oblique injury – they tend to recur easily.

And despite his prodigious, powerful display,Battling loneliness, rage, misery
There really isn’t much else left to say.

by winningugly on May 13, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point about the 25th man!

At least we have the 24th man MVP——-Lilly!!!

by soxfan50 on May 13, 2011 9:07 AM CDT reply actions  

James Fegan
Sewing the seeds of our own demise be damned!

Fail

We all make mistakes wu.. I’m sure there has been a few times I was drunk enough that I forgot to put the booze in - Grinder in Training

by Shoeless In SC on May 13, 2011 9:47 AM CDT reply actions  

No problem.

Article was solid

We all make mistakes wu.. I’m sure there has been a few times I was drunk enough that I forgot to put the booze in - Grinder in Training

by Shoeless In SC on May 13, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

So, if the 25th man isn't all that important

why not have 24-man, 23-man, or 20-man rosters? At what point do the “lower end” players on the roster make a significant contribution?

NISFW (now it's safe for work!)

by greenlight on May 13, 2011 10:40 AM CDT reply actions  

i'm sure we'll hear more about it on deadspin

Jim Thome sponsor(s) this page.
Highly underrated, Mark Kotsay became the best defensive designated hitter in American League history in 2010.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on May 13, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

there is nothing happy about breaking up scar tissue with a massage

they start with ultrasound to ‘loosen’ the scar tissue. this is a fun process where the entire extremity flexes and snaps around, sometimes a lot, as the electricity courses through your tissue. properly loosened, the therapist then proceeds to shove their hand into the wounded area of the body ala the witch doctor/priest in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom when he rips the guys still beating heart out.

the therapist then waggles their hand inside you. this is fun if its a ‘receptacle’. this is not so fun if its ‘your shoulder.’

by coffeepac on May 13, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

i guess you've never been to a rub and tug.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on May 13, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

They liked the intensity with which

he yelled,

“Ichiro sucks!”

from the visitor bullpen last weekend.

NISFW (now it's safe for work!)

by greenlight on May 13, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I only hope that Tony Pena makes us look smart

….

I wouldn’t bet on it though.

If you chase two rabbits both will escape!

by JofpGallagher on May 13, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't follow you

Do you think that contending teams have players on their roster that “don’t matter”…as if they are just “fillers”.
Do you think having Tony Pena or Jeff Gray or nobody is the same? For a contending team, I disagree. For a rebuilding team, it doesn’t matter.

If you chase two rabbits both will escape!

by JofpGallagher on May 13, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

if you think jeff gray is just awesome, sure.

otherwise, it probably makes very little difference.

by larry on May 13, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think Jeff Gray is awesome

I only think Tony Pena is beyond awful and should not be at the Major League Level

If you chase two rabbits both will escape!

by JofpGallagher on May 13, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Complaining about the 6th man out of the bullpen is like complaining about the weather: pointless

Every team has a Tony Pena in their pen. Some have many. The Sox woes have nothing to do with Pena.

by joewho112 on May 13, 2011 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

give gray enough innings

and you’ll probably think the same about him.

by larry on May 13, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

nah.

hating shitty baseball players is hardly irrational.

by larry on May 13, 2011 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

don't hate the player.

hate the person.

slightly fewer disheartening games lately. possibly no longer banjaxed.

by BuehrleMan on May 13, 2011 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's probably true....

They probably are at the same level (I still think Gray is better). Anyways, the suckitude Gray can bring costs about 1 million less.

If you chase two rabbits both will escape!

by JofpGallagher on May 13, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Neither Pena or Gray are anything special

Their job is to pitch in games that the Sox are either leading or trailing by 4 or more runs. No team, contending or rebuilding, is sending out an All Star in those situations.

by joewho112 on May 13, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice knowing you Gray.

"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10

by Ahillock on May 13, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

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