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White Sox 1, Indians 0: Jake Peavy is back

It might not be Game 7 of the World Series, but Jake Peavy fulfilled Kenny Williams' vision during a pretty big game in its own right.

Peavy received one run in the first inning and made it hold up over the final eight by holding the Cleveland Indians, the American League's top-scoring team, scoreless. He delivered a three-hitter in his second start back from radical surgery, and it was every bit as impressive as it sounds.

This was the 2007 National League Cy Young winner in action. He allowed just three singles, and he didn't walk a single batter. Only one Indian reached scoring position. Shin-Soo Choo muscled a ball into short right field with one out, and then stole second. He wouldn't get any further.

Choo was the only guy to have his number -- he had two of Cleveland's three hits (but A.J. Pierzynski threw him out at second on his first steal attempt). And as luck would have it, Choo was the fourth hitter due up in the ninth inning.

He watched the game end in the on-deck circle. Peavy only got stronger as the game went on. Even though he started the ninth with 102 pitches, he looked better than he did 100 pitches earlier. He was throwing tailing, 92-94 mph fastballs on the black. He got Matt LaPorta to fly out meekly to center, struck out Michael Brantley on four pitches, then did the same to Asdrubal Cabrera for the final out. Peavy struck out eight batters on the night, and half of them came in the last two innings.

Star-divide

Peavy needed to be that good, because he got little support otherwise. The lefty-heavy lineup looked good against Justin Masterson in the first inning. Juan Pierre led off with a double, moved to third on Omar Vizquel's single, and then scored on Adam Dunn's sac fly. The first three left-handed hitters all did their job, and they appeared to set themselves on the right course.

 

Masterson shook it off and pitched a gem himself, going the distance with eight strikeouts of his own. Curious decision-making by the White Sox helped him out further, as they ran into two strike-him-out-throw-him-outs.

The second one hurt more. Brent Lillibridge led off the inning with a double, but took off for third with two strikes on Gordon Beckham. Beckham flailed away on a pitch for strike three, and even though Lillibridge got a great jump, Lou Marson gunned him down clearly at third.

At least Lillibridge had the courtesy to get his out back. Orlando Cabrera led off the eighth with a deep drive to left-center. Juan Pierre couldn't get it, so it looked like an easy double. At the last second, Lillibridge appeared in the camera's view and made a sliding catch on the warning track to help Peavy retire the leadoff hitter. It was smooth sailing after that.

Record: 19-25 | GB: 8 | Box score | Play-by-play

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Tigers lose as well.

Beer, it’s just a vehicle for my favorite drug, the celery for my peanut butter.
-Grinder in Training

by South Side Expat on May 18, 2011 9:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Somebody tell John Danks

that’s how it’s done.

sideways smiley face

by TasteeFreeze on May 18, 2011 9:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Royals down by one at home, going to their half of the ninth

Our manager wears 13, we were supposedly cursed, and we wear black. Let's play.

by ChiSoxRox on May 18, 2011 9:55 PM CDT reply actions  

it seems so weird to be scoreboard watching in May

especially scoreboard watching the Kansas City Royals

We all make mistakes wu.. I’m sure there has been a few times I was drunk enough that I forgot to put the booze in - GiT

I pulled a little something out of my ass. i’m feeling somewhat better - colin

by Shoeless In SC on May 18, 2011 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've been scoreboard watching since like day two.

That’s the problem with the expectations being so high this season.

Beer, it’s just a vehicle for my favorite drug, the celery for my peanut butter.
-Grinder in Training

by South Side Expat on May 18, 2011 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Welcome back Peavy. Welcome back.

Make yourself comfortable and please stay awhile.

"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10

by Ahillock on May 18, 2011 10:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Not again.

now i feel highly umkempt - pierzynskirules

by RWShow on May 18, 2011 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, tomorrow...

Our manager wears 13, we were supposedly cursed, and we wear black. Let's play.

by ChiSoxRox on May 18, 2011 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Texas just going up on KC 5-3 in the 11th

Beer, it’s just a vehicle for my favorite drug, the celery for my peanut butter.
-Grinder in Training

by South Side Expat on May 18, 2011 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jake Peavy

please stay. Good win, Masterson is the real deal.

by SoxfanCT on May 18, 2011 10:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Humber has been oitching lights-out tho

if he keeps it up, think there could be an extension on this 6-man?

by Debaser1 on May 18, 2011 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

he's pitched the worst

outside of Buehrle.

He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local

by colintj on May 18, 2011 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Humber?? are you nuts?

2011 WhiteSox Baseball: we're all in

by OznCoop on May 18, 2011 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

no i am not.

going by stuff and peripherals, it’s pretty clear. and why would this opinion surprise you? i’ve already said my piece about him.

He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local

by colintj on May 18, 2011 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just think he has far and away outpitched Jackson,

not saying Humber isnt the likely one to go, bc of his salary he surely is, but he has pitched well.

2011 WhiteSox Baseball: we're all in

by OznCoop on May 18, 2011 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

jackson also has a BABIP .132 points higher than Humber

neither is sustainable

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on May 18, 2011 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

damnit

He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local

by colintj on May 18, 2011 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

this is the difference: BABIP.

Jackson: .343
Humber: .206

He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local

by colintj on May 18, 2011 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

too slow and wrong numbers

shameful

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on May 18, 2011 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me

.345

and if you used fangraphs, your math is wrong.

so.

shut up.

He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local

by colintj on May 18, 2011 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

this is when i hate these stupid fucking stats that don't make sense.

Humber is clearly pitching better than jackson. Jackson is in trouble seemingly every inning besides the home opener and the no hitter. humber has sailed through games.

you can point to any stats you want to. humber has gotten more results than jackson has and its not even close. can he keep it up? thats another story… but through may 18th humber has done a better job.

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by KenWo4LiFe on May 18, 2011 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

then we're talking past each other

if you want to talk about how many runs have crossed the plate while Pitcher X is on the mound as “results” then i’m not gonna disagree with you.

but like you say, it’s a whole new ballgame when it comes to what you expect to happen going forward. why? because you know that Humber isn’t entirely responsible for the runs or the lack thereof that crossed while he was on the mound.

He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local

by colintj on May 19, 2011 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree with Kenwoo 100%

Stats aside, I am a man of results. Humber is a better pitcher this season than Jackson thus far. That he will be better through the rest of the season? I don’t know, I am not nose-tradamus. In baseball, you have to put in your roster the players that give you the best chance to win, right now Humber is giving you a better chance than Jackson (And Danks). Giving too much of importance to stats to predict results in the long run is second guessing… Seattle Mariners took a sabermetrics approach and they thought they had a shot to win last year…oh well…we know how that ended up. We all know that Santos won’t end up with a ERA 0.00 by the end of the season. That is not sustainable statistically talking like U-God mantioned above…. Would that mean that we should use Thornton to close games?….NO… Guillen uses his players in the correct way (Sometimes he doesn’t), he uses the players that provides the best chance to win. Santos is the 9th inning man for now, and Humber is better than Jackson for now.

If you chase two rabbits both will escape!

by JofpGallagher on May 19, 2011 6:15 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

this is remarkably well-said.

i concur.

We all make mistakes wu.. I’m sure there has been a few times I was drunk enough that I forgot to put the booze in - GiT

I pulled a little something out of my ass. i’m feeling somewhat better - colin

by Shoeless In SC on May 19, 2011 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Of course not

I’m pretty sure he didn’t say that.

"Do you guys think you know more about sports than MJ or Kobe?"

by Tdogg on May 19, 2011 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

er, 2010 I mean
Giving too much of importance to stats to predict results in the long run is second guessing… Seattle Mariners took a sabermetrics approach and they thought they had a shot to win last year…

^I disagree with this.

a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee

by big_fun on May 19, 2011 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's all Dave Cameron's fault.

We all make mistakes wu.. I’m sure there has been a few times I was drunk enough that I forgot to put the booze in - GiT

I pulled a little something out of my ass. i’m feeling somewhat better - colin

by Shoeless In SC on May 19, 2011 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Im saying you can take it to the extreme and say

he or people think sabermetrics is disproved (and he certainly can chime in to clarify) or you can say that sometimes one can have saber blinders on and that’s not exactly healthy either. pre 2011 Cleveland anyone?

"Do you guys think you know more about sports than MJ or Kobe?"

by Tdogg on May 19, 2011 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure that either situation was a SABR v. non-SABR thing though

The Mariners overrated defense, underrated power, and suffered from a lot of bad luck. The Indians have been lucky and their young players were probably underrated going into the season.

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by big_fun on May 19, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't disproved sabermetrics....not at all

It’s just another tool that helps managers and other decision makers, but we I find strange is the heavy weight given to sabermetrics….some people talk are all over that and I wonder when will be the day that a laptop will be making the decisions for a manager…. Just imagine Sheldon Cooper indicating its catcher what pitch should be thrown, whether bunting is good with 2 and 0 in the 3rd inning with 1 out, who should come to pinch hit…what color of the bat should be used….. the day computers replace the Guillens, La Russas, and Leylands, then baseball is over for me.

If you chase two rabbits both will escape!

by JofpGallagher on May 19, 2011 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'm pretty sure i can just c/p the comment you responded

to below this one.

He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local

by colintj on May 19, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

do you think there is more value in trading jackson

and keeping humber in the back of the rotation as opposed to putting one of them in the pen?

by craigws on May 18, 2011 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

interesting thought

comes down to how much you trust Peavy i’d say.

beyond that, Edwin’s worth 2 surplus wins/32 starts this season or so. i don’t think the Sox would want to take on salary given their situation, so you’d be talking about a tough match. most guys making $8M or less are pretty young and under contract for more than a year. it’d probably mean moving Juan Pierre too.

He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local

by colintj on May 18, 2011 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'd imagine beltran's name will come up plenty, but he is way too expensive.

saw kenny talking about making some moves round june 1st:

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110518&content_id=19222312&notebook_id=19230256&vkey=notebook_cws&c_id=cws

some interesting stuff about viciedo at the bottom of the article. kenny says he will play right-field, maybe some 1st. wonder if that means Q back to left, or if he is part of any trade thoughts.

by craigws on May 18, 2011 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Q's gonna get like $8-9M next year

so yeah he could be gone, depending on what he does this year. if you could get the same player for the same money, you might prefer a lefty, for instance.

He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local

by colintj on May 18, 2011 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

that would be nice, but no way st.louis gives him up

"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10

by Ahillock on May 19, 2011 6:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Those comments... oh boy.
five8italy 55 minutes ago

That’s just great. A slow team is about to get slower. The Sox will have 2 speeds. Slow and REALLY SLOW. Not only will they be slow but they will be worse defensively than they already are. Get rid of the stupid softball team mentality and replace Pierre with someone who can run and get extra base hits. I don’t want to hear that stupid arguement that the Cell is a launching pad for homeruns. How’s that working out this year with that hard hitting homerun lineup??? That’s what I thought.

We all make mistakes wu.. I’m sure there has been a few times I was drunk enough that I forgot to put the booze in - GiT

I pulled a little something out of my ass. i’m feeling somewhat better - colin

by Shoeless In SC on May 18, 2011 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Problem is, Jackson's expected BABIP based on his batted ball figures is very close to that number, if not higher.

Humber has had good fortune with batted balls no doubt. But no starter in baseball has been hit harder (by line drive %) than Jackson of the 119 qualified pitchers. So until Jackson starts drawing weaker contact, Humber can start regressing and still be the better pitcher.

by 3E8 on May 19, 2011 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

LD% isn't a good way to derive expected BABIP

and there’s no good way to derive expected BABIP given the noise in the sample. which is why bWAR (tdogg) is a terrible metric to use right now.

He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local

by colintj on May 19, 2011 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

We need to introduce LD50

Beer, it’s just a vehicle for my favorite drug, the celery for my peanut butter.
-Grinder in Training

by South Side Expat on May 19, 2011 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

But LD% is good verification to explain a high BABIP

considering the MLB batting average on line drives is over .700 every year. Give up the highest percentage of line drives in baseball, should not be surprising hits are falling and the BABIP is high. Above it just kinda felt like a high BABIP was tossed out, ipso facto, bad luck.

by 3E8 on May 19, 2011 1:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

i thought extreme fly ball pitchers get enough pop-up outs

to separate them from the guys getting crushed and giving up line drives all day long.

ground ball pitchers are ideal, but fly ball pitchers are better than line drive pitchers.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh. ~by craigws

by e-gus on May 19, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

no i don't think so

He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local

by colintj on May 19, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

scratch that

the best way to derive expected BABIP is using a reasonable inference given historical performance. Jackson’s career BABIP is .309. Humber has been replacement level for his career. So probably at least .309 would be reasonable for him too.

He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local

by colintj on May 19, 2011 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

According to me

that makes him below average but above replacement. You guys remember Brian Bannister right?

He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local

by colintj on May 19, 2011 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

i.e. hella lucky?

He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local

by colintj on May 19, 2011 1:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

yup.

that’s why i picked it. i saw that his babip was a good 30 points under his career numbers.
i do think humber has made more with what he has than jackson has this year. and that’s what it is all about, isn’t it?
it’d be silly to argue that humber is more talented than jackson, but he may be smarter. more nous.

by craigws on May 19, 2011 2:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

also

it’s not like i think he’s pitched badly.

He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local

by colintj on May 18, 2011 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

what do you think they should do?

and what do you think they will do?
or are you reserving opinion for a week or so to see what transpires in the next couple of starts?

by craigws on May 18, 2011 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

If it's working through the end of May

I’d stick with what works. And by working, I mean both the starters are all worthy of starting, and no one member of the bullpen is gassed.

Whales! Squids! Sharks! They're everywhere! Hello, I am Poseidon! Now, when people told me I was crazy that thinly sliced roast beef would be a delicious fast-food option, I knew it was the greatest idea, and you can thank me later for Arby's.

by Jim Margalus on May 18, 2011 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you think the starting rotation/bullpen

is going to be able to remain unchanged as they deal with whatever they end up doing with Teahen/Pierre ?

Beer, it’s just a vehicle for my favorite drug, the celery for my peanut butter.
-Grinder in Training

by South Side Expat on May 18, 2011 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jackson has not pitched better than Humber

"Do you guys think you know more about sports than MJ or Kobe?"

by Tdogg on May 18, 2011 11:40 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

nope.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh. ~by craigws

by e-gus on May 18, 2011 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

youre both wrong

He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local

by colintj on May 18, 2011 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Humber has the highest bwar

Among the starters with less innings. If you want to argue who’ll be better moving forward fine but the results are conclusive.

"Do you guys think you know more about sports than MJ or Kobe?"

by Tdogg on May 18, 2011 11:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

and tdogg and myself just said basically the same thing.

judgement day is coming folks.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on May 18, 2011 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

May 21st.

Beer, it’s just a vehicle for my favorite drug, the celery for my peanut butter.
-Grinder in Training

by South Side Expat on May 19, 2011 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Do we have a time yet?

A time would be helpful. I got shit to do Saturday.

by Shinons* on May 19, 2011 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

No lie, bwana.

Natives are getting restless.

And despite his prodigious, powerful display,Battling loneliness, rage, misery
There really isn’t much else left to say.

by winningugly on May 19, 2011 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, the only thing with edwin is he is getting more strikeouts

but with more BBs the K/BB ratios even favor Humber.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh. ~by craigws

by e-gus on May 18, 2011 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Especially if you look at starter innings only

"Do you guys think you know more about sports than MJ or Kobe?"

by Tdogg on May 18, 2011 11:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

don't look at the ratio.

(K-BB)/PA and GB/PA

if i’ve got that stuff wrong, then i’m wrong and i take it back.

He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local

by colintj on May 19, 2011 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jackson has started two more games than Humber

so that 10IP difference is going to show up in any cumulative stat.

We all make mistakes wu.. I’m sure there has been a few times I was drunk enough that I forgot to put the booze in - GiT

I pulled a little something out of my ass. i’m feeling somewhat better - colin

by Shoeless In SC on May 18, 2011 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

wasn't speaking cumulatively.

He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local

by colintj on May 19, 2011 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

gotcha.

We all make mistakes wu.. I’m sure there has been a few times I was drunk enough that I forgot to put the booze in - GiT

I pulled a little something out of my ass. i’m feeling somewhat better - colin

by Shoeless In SC on May 19, 2011 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jackson appears to have been screwed more by defense than Humber, however.

as his FIP is a full run lower than his ERA.

We all make mistakes wu.. I’m sure there has been a few times I was drunk enough that I forgot to put the booze in - GiT

I pulled a little something out of my ass. i’m feeling somewhat better - colin

by Shoeless In SC on May 18, 2011 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's nice and everything moving forward

not the issue though. Plus Humbers starter FIP is lower.

"Do you guys think you know more about sports than MJ or Kobe?"

by Tdogg on May 19, 2011 12:06 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

right

We all make mistakes wu.. I’m sure there has been a few times I was drunk enough that I forgot to put the booze in - GiT

I pulled a little something out of my ass. i’m feeling somewhat better - colin

by Shoeless In SC on May 19, 2011 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

but guess what, he's also getting incredibly lucky on HR

that’s not what we should be looking at. Ks, BBs, GBs and stuff. Jackson wins on those measures.

He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local

by colintj on May 19, 2011 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

we're 4th in the league in ERA-FIP.

it’s not just Jackson.

He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local

by colintj on May 19, 2011 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

he was speaking about he was able to relax

when given the lead over the angels last week.
i wonder if his numbers differ appreciatively when his team is ahead in the game?

by craigws on May 19, 2011 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

i could see that

i don’t think Jackson has great makeup, fwiw. i don’t remember any of the other pitchers feuding with Coop at all. nor do i understand why that would be a good idea.

but again, he’s had this issue his entire career and he’s still been better than what i think Humber+slider is worth.

He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local

by colintj on May 19, 2011 1:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

musta missed this feud.

has it been discussed before? what issues does he have with coop?

by craigws on May 19, 2011 1:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

i haven't read about it

but he’s been shown at least once (and my feeling is twice/thrice) either looking sour or actually having it out with Coop. Hawk mentioned it and they panned to the two of them.

though i don’t think a Sox telecast would do that if it was a guy they were planning on keeping around for a few years, so there could be some selective sampling type thing there.

He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local

by colintj on May 19, 2011 1:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

really?

I picture all media types wolves for drama. if it’s going on, they gotta cover it. It’s in their DNA.

We all make mistakes wu.. I’m sure there has been a few times I was drunk enough that I forgot to put the booze in - GiT

I pulled a little something out of my ass. i’m feeling somewhat better - colin

by Shoeless In SC on May 19, 2011 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cowley ain't on the beat no more

He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local

by colintj on May 19, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

bah.

He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local

by colintj on May 19, 2011 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

haha.

We all make mistakes wu.. I’m sure there has been a few times I was drunk enough that I forgot to put the booze in - GiT

I pulled a little something out of my ass. i’m feeling somewhat better - colin

by Shoeless In SC on May 19, 2011 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe long term, when it's established, tERA will throw some weight behind non-strikeout pitchers like Humber?

It likes him quite a bit more than Jackson, for what it’s worth.

a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee

by big_fun on May 19, 2011 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

strikeouts are like home runs

they’re flashy and nice, but when you consider each upon themselves, you don’t make a great pitcher or a great hitter. If that makes sense. You gotta look at the total picture.

There is tremendous value in being able to induce weak contact, limit walks, and limit home runs. Sure, you’d like to miss bats altogether, but we’ve seen over the years that Buehrle has been very successful when striking guys out at a below league average rate. Any metric that has K’s in its formula is going to undervalue certain types of pitchers.

We all make mistakes wu.. I’m sure there has been a few times I was drunk enough that I forgot to put the booze in - GiT

I pulled a little something out of my ass. i’m feeling somewhat better - colin

by Shoeless In SC on May 19, 2011 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

FIP/xFIP misjudge Buehrle by like

a win per season. and he’s one of the biggest outliers by far. there’s no reason AT ALL to suggest Humber is one of these, so we should assume he isn’t.

He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local

by colintj on May 19, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh no, I'm not comparing him to Buehrle...

just pointing out a more general statement about how those metrics value and de-value certain acts on the baseball field.

Going forward I have much more faith in Jackson, but to reiterate everyone’s point here, I think Humber has been the better pitcher so far this season.

We all make mistakes wu.. I’m sure there has been a few times I was drunk enough that I forgot to put the booze in - GiT

I pulled a little something out of my ass. i’m feeling somewhat better - colin

by Shoeless In SC on May 19, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was just about to bring up his tERA when I scrolled down to this

I don’t really think this is a saber vs them argument. In most metrics Humber has out pitched Jackson this year. Shit happens. Would I bet on him the whole season? No. (Actually I have a freaking bottle of wine riding on him) I certainly don’t get Colin’s claims that Jackson has performed better up to this point.

"Do you guys think you know more about sports than MJ or Kobe?"

by Tdogg on May 19, 2011 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

tERA sucks

He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local

by colintj on May 19, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

he has pitched better. its not sustainable but hes done better

I hope Kotsay gets hit by a dump truck and slips into a coma where he is stuck forever in Baseball purgatory having to bat against a three-headed, six-armed Lefty Hydra consisting of Billy Wagner, Damaso Marte, and Randy Johnson. - Shoeless In SC

by blackoutsox on May 19, 2011 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

haven't i made it clear what i think of that method at this point?

i’m not saying y’all have to buy into it, but you shouldn’t be surprised that i say it. we get into these kinds of conversations frequently enough and i make my position pretty clear.

He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local

by colintj on May 19, 2011 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

defend it!

I hope Kotsay gets hit by a dump truck and slips into a coma where he is stuck forever in Baseball purgatory having to bat against a three-headed, six-armed Lefty Hydra consisting of Billy Wagner, Damaso Marte, and Randy Johnson. - Shoeless In SC

by blackoutsox on May 19, 2011 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

see above

He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local

by colintj on May 19, 2011 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Royals have the bases loaded, two outs

Our manager wears 13, we were supposedly cursed, and we wear black. Let's play.

by ChiSoxRox on May 18, 2011 10:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Peavy, YES

What a great jolt in the arm, for a team already starting to shake off the cob webs.

by bevingtonsTallBoy on May 18, 2011 10:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Jake Peavy has the Grindy-ness this team has been lacking.

cleary.

"I kind of thought it was a Pussy Pitch" - Kenwo, on the changeup

by DrEmilioLizardo on May 18, 2011 10:42 PM CDT reply actions  

clearly

not beverly.

"I kind of thought it was a Pussy Pitch" - Kenwo, on the changeup

by DrEmilioLizardo on May 18, 2011 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Taint Punch, coming your way.

Tornado style.

"I kind of thought it was a Pussy Pitch" - Kenwo, on the changeup

by DrEmilioLizardo on May 18, 2011 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

the taint tornado?

We all make mistakes wu.. I’m sure there has been a few times I was drunk enough that I forgot to put the booze in - GiT

I pulled a little something out of my ass. i’m feeling somewhat better - colin

by Shoeless In SC on May 18, 2011 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

What about a pinch?

now i feel highly umkempt - pierzynskirules

by RWShow on May 19, 2011 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

that was a good game. the weather wasn't even bad... i had a jacket but didn't put it on until the walk back to the car.

Peavy pitched well… but i don’t see how in the hell the indians are the best offense in the league. those guys are terrible. I am going on record- by june 30th we will be ahead of them in the standings. (doesn’t mean we will be in first, we’ll be ahead of cleveland though). Beckham looks terrible. Lillibridge’s play in center was amazing.

I told you all id bring home a winner. i get it done. just like your girlfriends said.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on May 18, 2011 11:18 PM CDT reply actions  

I was REALLY thinking about going to the game, just cause.

Work got called off tomorrow due to a series of massive fuck ups on other peoples parts. Club level tickets were going for like $20, and I thought that would be a good way to go if it got to icky weather-wise. In the end, the desire to just be at home in pajamas with the Bulls game going as well won out.

Good win KenWo.

Beer, it’s just a vehicle for my favorite drug, the celery for my peanut butter.
-Grinder in Training

by South Side Expat on May 18, 2011 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

club level for $20?

where at?

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh. ~by craigws

by e-gus on May 18, 2011 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stubhub had a number of club level/premium club level tickets going for between $20-25 for tonights game.

Beer, it’s just a vehicle for my favorite drug, the celery for my peanut butter.
-Grinder in Training

by South Side Expat on May 18, 2011 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Should be noted they were missing Sizemore and Hafner, and didn't start LaPorta

but then again, not having Sizemore and Hafner was expected to be one of their problems

by WSO on May 18, 2011 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

OPS over .800

Maybe not fantastic for 1B, but he beats Shelley Duncan

by WSO on May 18, 2011 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

and her glass eye.

oh- wait… sandy duncan has that.

"I kind of thought it was a Pussy Pitch" - Kenwo, on the changeup

by DrEmilioLizardo on May 18, 2011 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great game, but how long before he's injured again?

Also, could we possibly muster some offense now and again?

by Stealfirstbase on May 18, 2011 11:20 PM CDT reply actions  

You are fast approaching the status of my favorite poster from an efficiency standpoint.

And despite his prodigious, powerful display,Battling loneliness, rage, misery
There really isn’t much else left to say.

by winningugly on May 19, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

this

I hope Kotsay gets hit by a dump truck and slips into a coma where he is stuck forever in Baseball purgatory having to bat against a three-headed, six-armed Lefty Hydra consisting of Billy Wagner, Damaso Marte, and Randy Johnson. - Shoeless In SC

by blackoutsox on May 19, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Peavy!

I’m impressed, and so is Orson Welles.

White Sox baseball: We're All Ineffective
Halladay, Oswalt, Hamels, Blanton, AND LEE!! HELL YES!
My two favorite football teams have a "Gould"en kicker

by HappyHuman on May 18, 2011 11:52 PM CDT reply actions  

encouraging start from peavy would be understatement of the year

but i’m surprised that ozzie let his pitch count rise like that (yes, i know we can afford that with a 6 man rotation, but this is peavy we’re talking about), b/c the last words i want to hear from his mouth are ‘sore’ and ‘discomfort’

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Highly underrated, Mark Kotsay became the best defensive designated hitter in American League history in 2010.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on May 19, 2011 2:10 AM CDT reply actions  

Although it was a pretty inspirational start

I don’t know that I like Ozzie leaving him in there for the 9th. The whole deal of Peavy pleading to stay in the game, and Ozzie agreeing, annoys me. It’s not much unlike the two strike em out throw em outs tonight. This team just never seems to learn.

It didn’t bite us tonight, and it was a great win, but it’s still tiring watching the same thing over and over again.

by Bent Over Beckham on May 19, 2011 2:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

ozzie told him he wasn't intending to take him out,

so i don’t think it was a pleading and ozzie relenting situation.
also worth nothing is that he was pitching better at the end of the game than he was at the start.

by craigws on May 19, 2011 2:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

this.

plus if an extra ten pitches wrecks his arm then we are all screwed anyways.

by craigws on May 19, 2011 2:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mobile rec

Beware the cure isn't worse than the disease

by Chiburb on May 19, 2011 6:07 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

word.

We all make mistakes wu.. I’m sure there has been a few times I was drunk enough that I forgot to put the booze in - GiT

I pulled a little something out of my ass. i’m feeling somewhat better - colin

by Shoeless In SC on May 19, 2011 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, does anyone remember Thornton's surgery before he came to the Sox

and how his fastball amped up? Surgery might not mean Jake is more delicate. It may mean he is now The Terminator.

And despite his prodigious, powerful display,Battling loneliness, rage, misery
There really isn’t much else left to say.

by winningugly on May 19, 2011 10:55 AM CDT reply actions  

hah, forgive my ignorance, i didn't even know he had surgery, seriously

unless coop can be considered a surgical procedure

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Highly underrated, Mark Kotsay became the best defensive designated hitter in American League history in 2010.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on May 19, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

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