Rangers 4, White Sox 0: The most John Danks start ever
John Danks dropped to 0-7 on the season, and he did it in classic fashion.
He gave up a solo homer to Josh Hamilton in the first inning, one of those early blips that soon turns into a mountainous margin after watching the White Sox offense's effort against Alexi Ogando.
He failed to close out a sixth inning, walking Adrian Beltre with two outs before giving up a first-pitch homer to Nelson Cruz.
And while Danks pitched well otherwise -- he was able to complete the game -- he got zero help from the offense.
You can't get more Danks than that.
Ogando became the second Rangers pitcher this month to earn his first career shutout against the White Sox, and it shouldn't have been so easy. Not because Ogando is bad -- he entered the game 4-0 with a 2.13 ERA -- but because he allowed five leadoff hitters to reach base.
You'd think the Sox would be able to forge one rally from those starts. You'd be wrong.
Only once on the evening did the Sox advance a runner into scoring position. In the fifth inning, A.J. Pierzynski led off with a single. Like the three leadoff hitters before him to reach, Pierzynski almost never advanced.
Ian Kinsler did the Sox a favor when Gordon Beckham hit a grounder to the right side. Kinsler ranged far to his right, but his throw sailed over the head of first baseman Michael Young. The scorer credited Beckham with a single, and Pierzynski moved to third on the play.
Unfortunately, that brought Juan Pierre to the plate. Pierre had already thwarted one potential rally when he grounded into a 3-6 double play, and all he could do with runners on the corners is roll one over just left of the mound. Ogando had an easy play, and an easy night thereafter.
Notes:
*Paul Konerko should have had a double on a liner to the left-center gap, but Marvin Hudson thought the tag was applied before Konerko's foot touched the bag. He was wrong, but still, hats off to David Murphy for an awesome throw from left center. He cut off the ball, spun and fired before looking, and made a one-hop throw right on the money.
*A study in contrast: Murphy hit a flare to left that dropped along the line in front of Juan Pierre. Pierre fell down while gloving it, and Murphy went for two. Pierre popped up and fired a two-hopper to the cutoff man.
*Adam Dunn's problems continue to mount. He popped out twice and struck out twice.
Record: 22-27 | Box score | Play-by-play
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it's because he strikes out
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by billyok on May 23, 2011 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
now you lost me
He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local
by colintj on May 24, 2011 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
He never had you.
Why do you think he doesn’t post as often?
Tease.
And despite his prodigious, powerful display,Battling loneliness, rage, misery
There really isn’t much else left to say.
who woulda thunk jordan danks is more exciting than john is this year!
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
boy does michael young stink at first base. haha.
sob.
on a scale of 0-10, not quite sure exactly how disheartened i am.
Here's 2 ways John Danks wins:
1) John Danks beans (in the head) n + 1 competitors for every run they score.
For example, the Rangers hit a solo home run, he beans 2 players. Take tonight. If Paul Konerko has to run over and trade punches with the other team, he might get extra focussed on scoring runners when he’s up at bat. If Adam Dunn has to wrestle Josh Hamilton off of the white horse, he might lift the bat off his shoulder, and not hope for 4 pitches out of the strike zone every at-bat (plate appearance) so the FanGraphs Intelligencia fawn over him.
2) Danks walks into the dugout, and whips a ball at Adam Dunn’s face. When Dunn goes onto the DL, the White Sox sign (insert anybody here – Ozzie Canseco), and they put up better baseball stats, and lo-and-behold, those translate to better SABR stats – and have a better baseball player in the lineup.
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man, you just can't help yourself.
do you sing your own version of sugar pie honey bunch everytime you go to fangraphs?
I really try not to.
They’ve grown a little less silly over the last 6 months.
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by TasteeFreeze on May 24, 2011 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions
And seriously,
It’s been about a month since I’ve spouted off.
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by TasteeFreeze on May 24, 2011 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Below the Mendoza line at Memorial Day seems justified
Earlier would have been appropriate if it wasn’t for the appendix… I was giving him a pass for a while, but he’s regressed in the last week or so.
This used to be my playground
dunn is fair game,
i was giving him a hard time about his need to crowbar in a shot against saber-minded folks.
Yeah. It's not like fangraphs has him playing well.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
by MarketMaker on May 24, 2011 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions
you're right
I am being an a-hole, and will try to shut up more about that.
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by TasteeFreeze on May 24, 2011 7:01 AM CDT up reply actions
you do understand he actually sucks now, right?
and that this isn’t his usual fangraphs-lovable-self.
cuz it doesn’t read like you do.
I am being a dick, and will try to knock it off.
Perhaps it’s the league change that confounds him.
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by TasteeFreeze on May 24, 2011 7:05 AM CDT up reply actions
I really feel bad for Johnny,
0 and 7 are you kidding me!? That kind of record should only come from the likes of Ryan Rowland-Smith, Nelson Figueroa, or Carlos Zambrano. John Danks has pitcher FAR too well to have a record that pathetic, and the Sox offense is litterally losing him millions of potential dollars right now. If I were him I’d be darn near ready to ask for a trade.
2011 WhiteSox Baseball: we're all in
He may have been headed in this direction anyway
but if gets moved to the pen and spends any significant time there — like the kind of time that wouldn’t allow him to even sniff double-digit wins — he’s not signing a long-term deal here, not before testing free-agency.
This used to be my playground
I would be shocked at this point if he did not at least test the F.A. market,
his talent far surpasses the wins he has been able or (not able) to put up in a Sox uniform. Not saying the “win” stat is everything, but it does hold some value especially to the player himself.
2011 WhiteSox Baseball: we're all in
jordan danks is making things interesting right now
he could be part of the equation of whether johnny danks stays or not
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by onlysoxfaninbasel on May 24, 2011 1:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Why would they put him in the pen? His WHIP is up and he has given up too many HR.
But they just haven’t scored for him. He has pitched 6 games where he has given up 3 or less runs. He should have had a few wins out of that.
His HR rate this year is actually comparable to his career average.
According to Fangraphs, it appears that his cutter is not as effective as it has been in the past.
This space is available.
Perhaps the White Sox are conspiring to teach Danks about how advanced statistics are better than things like pitcher record.
Unfortunately that plan will backfire when, in his quest to prove he’s not actually a bad pitcher via fangraphs, he stumbles onto an old Dave Cameron piece and finds out he’s only as valuable as Jose Lopez.
"I'm the Chicago man. I'm vital in Chicago." -Willy Ohman, Act 1
by mechanical turk on May 24, 2011 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are there really front offices still using win-loss records in their decision-making process?
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
likely not
and ERA always was considered more heavily.
by larry on May 24, 2011 8:11 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
on a related note, do you think the methods for ELIAS rankings are going to change soon?
Here are the stat categories used for each of the five position groups.
1B/OF/DH: PA, AVG, OBP, HR, RBI
2B/3B/SS: PA, AVG, OBP, HR, RBI, Fielding percentage, Total chances at designated position
C: PA, AVG, OBP, HR, RBI, Fielding percentage, Assists
SP: Total games (total starts + 0.5 * total relief appearances), IP, Wins, W-L Percentage, ERA, Strikeouts
RP: Total games (total relief appearances + 2 * total starts), IP (weighted slightly less than other categories), Wins + Saves, IP/H ratio, K/BB, ERA
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by onlysoxfaninbasel on May 24, 2011 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions
exactly. who cares about wins? just give me w-l percentage.
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by MarketMaker on May 24, 2011 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
for position players i don't know why they wouldn't just use combined relief pitcher's ERA because everyone knows
your offense is only as good as your bullpen.
on a scale of 0-10, not quite sure exactly how disheartened i am.
by BuehrleMan on May 24, 2011 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
lol
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by onlysoxfaninbasel on May 24, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd hate to see him go because our O backs up everyone but him.
I mean props to Humber, but do you really thing long term, he’s the pitcher that Danks is? He’s flashed ace abilities at a few points in the last couple years.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on May 24, 2011 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't exactly understand talk of him leaving
He appears to have given an indication on more than a few occasions that he wants to be here. This kind of reminds me of Buerhle 2003.
"Do you guys think you know more about sports than MJ or Kobe?"
Yeah, a guy wanting to see the market
Isn’t necessarily the same as a guy who wants to leave.
by Grinder in Training on May 24, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
he may not even want to see the market after 2012.
maybe he just doesn’t want to sign away free agent years now (or in the past) at a steep discount.
Dunn appears to following the same path as Peavy
Early flashes of potential, long drawn out slump, followed by (hopefully) greatness. Don’t get hurt, Donkey!
What?! I ain't no Professor Pickles!
I am with you
I am even more convinced that Dunn is a more sure-fire than Peavy. Dunn has been the guy known for extraordinaire consistency. A guy who average 1 homer every 14 at bats. He should have about 10 by now. I think he will still come around. Just give him at bats after at bats. At least he gets on base frequently (He almost has a greater OBP than our lead off man)
If you chase two rabbits both will escape!
by JofpGallagher on May 24, 2011 5:59 AM CDT up reply actions
His pattern is different. Unless he loses a year to injury.
Early flashes of greatness, followed by greatness, a long drawn out slump, ??.
There's gotta be a cutoff point.
He’s like a black hole in the middle of the order right now.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on May 24, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
listening to pavement this morning
the best of collection is pretty good
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by onlysoxfaninbasel on May 24, 2011 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Dunn and Pierre: two guys who are both sucking, and yet killing the team for very different reasons.
And I’m still mad at you (illogically), Danks. So, yeah…go and think about that. Damnit.
AJ Pierzynski: You have to want to catch.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on May 24, 2011 7:42 AM CDT reply actions
to add insult to insanity
starting with their first airing of the game highlights (then repeated on their next show and therefore now being re-run in perpetuity) mlb network decided to state, despite the incontrovertible evidence to the contrary, that josh hamilton hit a home run on the first pitch he saw after returning from the disabled list. i guess it makes a better story or something, i don’t know. what i do know is it’s driving me crazy. somebody please call them and tell them to cut it out.
on a scale of 0-10, not quite sure exactly how disheartened i am.
by BuehrleMan on May 24, 2011 8:05 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
5 shutouts this year.
4 all last year.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
don't worry bally, it's not that bad.
although i think if you look carefully you’ll see the sox have been shutout six times this year.
there, now don’t you feel better?
on a scale of 0-10, not quite sure exactly how disheartened i am.
by BuehrleMan on May 24, 2011 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
(and looks like five last year, unless baseball reference is wrong
which while not likely is possible. earlier this year they had the number of pitches carlos quentin had seen wrong. i sent them an email but it stayed wrong for quite a while. i just checked it though and they seem to have fixed it. i feel much better now.)
on a scale of 0-10, not quite sure exactly how disheartened i am.
by BuehrleMan on May 24, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I heard it on the radio this morning.
I knew thew were +1 this year over last.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
only 20% more.
you sound like chicken little with your 25%.
(in 1/3 the games)
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by MarketMaker on May 24, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
The White Sox have also been no hit by bad pitchers more this season than in all of last season.
A worrying trend, to be certain.
"I'm the Chicago man. I'm vital in Chicago." -Willy Ohman, Act 1
by mechanical turk on May 24, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
did you see the fanpost over at twinkietown about liriano?
if you have a free hour or two you should check it out. i haven’t made it all the way through yet but that dude put in some serious work. (it was posted after the second game liriano pitched after he no hit the sox)
http://www.twinkietown.com/2011/5/18/2177808/lirianos-dominant-start-backed-up-by-pitch-f-x-i-throw-gardenhire
on a scale of 0-10, not quite sure exactly how disheartened i am.
what's this gotta do with d-e-f-e-n-s-e?
We all make mistakes wu.. I’m sure there has been a few times I was drunk enough that I forgot to put the booze in - GiT
I pulled a little something out of my ass. i’m feeling somewhat better - colin
by Shoeless In SC on May 24, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Roger Craig
or bust.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!
On the tired subject of hitting coaches and underperforming offenses
Farmer asked Jackson last night whether he found the transition from the NL to the AL difficult in 1994. Jackson said he didn’t notice because he was concentrating on Walt Hriniak’s instruction, which he said made him a .300 hitter (for ’94 anyway).
Nevermind I just checked, he did
DJ is DJ, he could have been saying that half tongue in cheek. He is a weird guy.

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