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Guillen: I didn't say the things I said

While talking to reporters prior to Sunday's 13-4 loss to Toronto, Ozzie Guillen buried the lede.

He held court on a variety of topics, but what he said toward the end is what everybody's talking about.

"They'll only remember the 2005 team in 2020 when we come here in a wheelchair," Guillen said. "Oh yeah, thank you. As soon as you leave the ballpark, they don’t care about you any more. They don’t. The monuments, the statues they have for you, they (urinate) on it when they are drunk. That’s what they do. Thank you for coming for 30 minutes for all the suffering you did all your life, day in and day out."

In fact, it drew so much attention that Guillen took to Twitter to say that the accounts were "bull crap." He even goes so far as to say he has tape of the interview, but fortunately for us, so does CSNChicago.com, so we can make the call.

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The key part starts around the 11:30 mark, and it doesn't seem like he was misquoted -- at least in a way that hurts Guillen:

If you follow along, it seems that Mark Gonzales and others was actually kind to Guillen. It's impossible to transcribe Guillen with 100 percent certainty, but it sounded like that blurb might have ended with, "...[bleep] 'em, idiots, every day, day in and day out."

We've all seen this play before, where he's candid as hell, and people momentarily stop talking about how poorly his team is playing to focus on how poorly Guillen is thinking. It sure would be the time for it, considering the faceplant the Sox performed at Rogers Centre after Guillen went on off them.

He tried to blast the 3-wood from behind some trees. The ball ricocheted off a trunk and hit him in the groin. Now he's going for his trouble club. It happens every year.

There's a problem with this particular instance, but I don't think it involves the part about the fans. Guillen is probably correct in saying the statue has been pissed on, which is unfortunate. He could easily explain that he didn't mean for that part to sound like a blanket statement.

While listening to Guillen's all-inclusive rant, the pity party bothered me far more. Sympathy is in short supply on the South Side -- not because the roster is making $126 million to put on sad displays, but because people have felt unusually sorry for too many of Guillen's players.

There is (or was) John Danks, who doesn't deserve to be winless on the season. There is Adam Dunn, whose fall is as agonizing as it is baffling, so much so that today, I contemplated the odds that he will retire before his contract is up. Matt Thornton couldn't find his fastball or defensive help early in the season. Now I'm starting to feel it for Omar Vizquel, who is still hunting his first World Series ring and won't find it this year.

Given all these sob stories, the last person who should ask for a break is the guy orchestrating the proceedings. Even if Guillen isn't at the root of all these problems, his job description says he's the one ultimately responsible. Bringing the fans into it is the opposite of what is asked of him, especially since the Sox have been worse at home than they are on the road so far.

I'm guessing this particular scandal will blow over, even though it's not smart. But it sets up what could be a fascinating two months if this team can't turn it around. Given that Jerry Reinsdorf has made a huge deal about attendance this season, you'd think he wouldn't want fan relations any worse than they already are.

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Speaking of things better off unsaid, here's Danks on "f---ing clown" Jose Bautista:

This is pure frustration talking, too. It's easy to understand where he's coming from (Turk dropped a good link explaining why pitchers might be offended by slammed bats), but I don't know if the insults and expletives help his case. Neutral parties at Baseball Think Factory are siding mostly with Bautista, although it might be because neutral parties mostly dislike Hawk Harrelson, and the article linked there had this item:

After Bautista singled home a run in the first inning, veteran White Sox announcer Ken Harrelson suggested on-air that the home-run leader might be corking his bat.

In a seemingly unrelated event, Harrelson made a visit to the Toronto clubhouse after the game, and, wearing a big grin, headed straight to Bautista’s locker. The two chatted amiably for a few minutes. Apparently, the content of Bautista’s bat did not come up.

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Have the 2011 Sox officially derailed?

Because they tend to pull it together after the train flies off the tracks.

The Toronto/Tampa rants in 2008, the OG/KW fight in 2010….

What?! I ain't no Professor Pickles!

by 67WMAQ on May 30, 2011 8:29 AM CDT reply actions  

i'd say yes.

that last road trip was great, but this feels more like the real product this year.

now watch them go sweep the red hot red sox.

by e-gus on May 30, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think so

I still think you have to wait to see how they do next month, the schedule has not been kind to us by any means. They have to really turn it on next month, which they can do. July is even kinder.

This road trip has sucked, but they looked okay recently. Combine that with the fact that nobody in the division has been impressive lately.

by 815Sox on May 30, 2011 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tiresome, tedious but mostly disheartening.

It is embarrassing to be a Sox fan through garbage like this. I can’t wait for cub fans to try to get a reaction out of me, over this.

by Rhubarb on May 30, 2011 8:30 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

By garbage do you mean the team's play or Ozzie?

And why do you take either so personally?

Beware the cure isn't worse than the disease

by Chiburb on May 30, 2011 8:39 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not as dumb as your statement. I'm a Sox fan, both daughters are Sox fans, and I can assure you we aren't "embarrassed" in the least.

Dunn should be, Rios should be, Danks should be (yesterday), but you?

Beware the cure isn't worse than the disease

by Chiburb on May 30, 2011 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're talking semantics oh almighty priest

Can I not feel embarrassed for Ozzie guillen and the organization? It is tedious when cub fans approach me and say what’s going on with Ozzie? If you’re trying to piss me off it’s working OPOS.

by Rhubarb on May 30, 2011 10:18 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

serves you right. you did that to me yesterday.

bastard

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on May 30, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

x

Beer, it’s just a vehicle for my favorite drug, the celery for my peanut butter.
-Grinder in Training

by South Side Expat on May 30, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

That isn't what you said, that you're embarrassed "for" Ozzie and the org. You said it was "because of".

If I read it wrong, my apologies. If I read it right, and you’re embarrassed to be a Sox fan because of Ozzie or the team, that’s just silly.

As for Cub fans, caring what they think is almost as bad.

Gotta run. I’m saying the 11:00 mass.
Bless you!

Beware the cure isn't worse than the disease

by Chiburb on May 30, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

I meant embarrassed for them

And like I said it is tedious dealing with fringe cub fans taking pleasure in this kind of shit like work colleagues, family and friends. Tiresome….is it not obvious I am proud to be a sox fan? Kenwo you’re right but you can still eat dick!

by Rhubarb on May 30, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

too chewy.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on May 30, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Cub fans are too embarrassed and disheartened to care about this.

The Cub organization hasn’t been this messed up since the Wrigley era.

by Rick B on May 30, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think their GM and our GM should get together and go bowling.

Beer, it’s just a vehicle for my favorite drug, the celery for my peanut butter.
-Grinder in Training

by South Side Expat on May 30, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think most fans don't give a crap about Ozzie's rants, real or misquoted.

Rip the fans? He’s right for the most part, that many have short-term memories and a “what have you done for me lately” mentality. Some may use this as an excuse to not go a game they wouldn’t have attended anyway, but will KWo stay away because of anything OG says? Will anyone here?
If attendance sucks it’s because the team has sucked. Not because the idiot has spouted off.

Beware the cure isn't worse than the disease

by Chiburb on May 30, 2011 8:37 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

i'll be there friday.

in order to yell “fuck pissing on the statue i’ll piss on you” just to see if i get a reaction.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on May 30, 2011 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

He'd probably laugh

White Sox baseball: We're All Ineffective
Halladay, Oswalt, Hamels, Blanton, AND LEE!! HELL YES!
My two favorite football teams have a "Gould"en kicker

by HappyHuman on May 30, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jesus, this is my life.

And despite his prodigious, powerful display,Battling loneliness, rage, misery
There really isn’t much else left to say.

by winningugly on May 30, 2011 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nah.

And despite his prodigious, powerful display,Battling loneliness, rage, misery
There really isn’t much else left to say.

by winningugly on May 30, 2011 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nope. Still pretty funny.

"That might be how you roll at Camp Anawanna, Budnick. But where I come from, we only salute Old Glory." -moroots on May 23rd

by South Side Expat on May 31, 2011 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Get a job.

And despite his prodigious, powerful display,Battling loneliness, rage, misery
There really isn’t much else left to say.

by winningugly on May 31, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Like people have suggested...

he says something along these lines every year. and surprisingly enough, it seems to work every time he does it. everyone gets all up in arms about what guillen said and meanwhile the team wins 7 of 10.

i wish he did shit like this more often, though it would probably lose its effect.

I knew this was going to be a terrible road trip. I stated i’d be happy with 4-6. We have to go 2-1 in boston to get there. i doubt it will happen. after this though- they should take off.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on May 30, 2011 9:00 AM CDT reply actions  

So you're predicting

a 101 win season?

My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.

LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!!

by ballyb on May 30, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

eh why not.

lol

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on May 30, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

only half?

"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three-run homers."

by ThreeRunHomer on May 30, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds like he needs a hug.

He is painted as a guy who says whatever he likes and doesn’t care what anybody thinks. But in reality he cares what everybody thinks. He is very sensitive. His team and coaches should give him a group hug and tell him everything is going to be alright. We are sorry that his job is stressful and he isn’t paid enough. We are sorry that he is not appreciated. We are sorry that people only care about their own lives and not his.

Maybe Reinsdorf should have an Ozzie Guillen Day. That would make him feel better.

by Rick B on May 30, 2011 9:11 AM CDT reply actions  

With a statue we can all piss on!

Beware the cure isn't worse than the disease

by Chiburb on May 30, 2011 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Cowley was just on the SCORE and put his spin on it.

He said he didn’t think Ozzie was being critical of the fans when he said they piss on the statue when they are drunk. He was just saying that there is a “what have you done for me lately attitude” with the fans. That’s right Cowley. Now go wash Ozzie’s car.

by Rick B on May 30, 2011 10:04 AM CDT reply actions  

Calcaterra's take:

Unlike that kind of thing, however, what he said here was in an actual manager press conference with film rolling, not a casual conversation in the hallway of a hotel at the Winter Meetings. And the comments were newsworthy, given that they were about his team and his job, not about Tiger Woods. And given how this whole quote/react game works, it’s understandable if people are raising eyebrows about it all, because what he said is not the usual cliche-dripping stuff that tends to come out of the mouths of managers.

But I can’t get worked up about all of this, because what he’s saying is pretty much true. People don’t care what you did six years ago, they care about the here and now. Maybe Ozzie shouldn’t simply come out and say that stuff because people tend to not be able to handle that kind of truth coming from baseball managers (and because Ozzie lends himself to misinterpretation because, well, he’s Ozzie). But no, I’m not going to go along with the idea that his comments are a big a deal worthy of controversy.

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/30/ozzie-guillen-rants-about-fans-rants-at-media-for-reporting-his-rants-about-fans/

Beware the cure isn't worse than the disease

by Chiburb on May 30, 2011 10:19 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree it's not a big deal.

I don’t think anyone cares what Guillen says anymore.

by Rick B on May 30, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

You know what? Ozzie's comments have real-world consequences.

For the first time this year I won’t be watching, listening or otherwise attempting to follow the game.

Oh, such threats! How will Ozzie and the Gang sleep tonight? Probably in the dugout at Fenway Park, while the Red Sox play professional baseball.

the giraffe has struck Adam Dunn out. -South Side Expat

by Uribe Down on May 30, 2011 11:56 AM CDT reply actions  

I don't know why anyone is upset about this.

I thought it was funny and that Ozzie is probably right, given how absolutely plastered some people are when the game is over.

White Sox baseball: We're All Ineffective
Halladay, Oswalt, Hamels, Blanton, AND LEE!! HELL YES!
My two favorite football teams have a "Gould"en kicker

by HappyHuman on May 30, 2011 12:17 PM CDT reply actions  

again, i leave the cell plastered quite often

there are 1000000 places i would drain the main vein before going anywhere near that monument, let alone the bricks surrounding it.

by e-gus on May 30, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah. I would think that anyone who even thought about trying

that would get the piss beat outa them by other plastered people.

Beer, it’s just a vehicle for my favorite drug, the celery for my peanut butter.
-Grinder in Training

by South Side Expat on May 30, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sigh.

And despite his prodigious, powerful display,Battling loneliness, rage, misery
There really isn’t much else left to say.

by winningugly on May 30, 2011 12:47 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Was in a city with baseball pedigree - recent, anyway - this weekend.

Philly is a great town. And believe it or not, I was not booed once.

And despite his prodigious, powerful display,Battling loneliness, rage, misery
There really isn’t much else left to say.

by winningugly on May 30, 2011 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Green

Beware the cure isn't worse than the disease

by Chiburb on May 30, 2011 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pretzel and a dog.

And despite his prodigious, powerful display,Battling loneliness, rage, misery
There really isn’t much else left to say.

by winningugly on May 30, 2011 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

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