Pierre's season at a crossroads
Juan Pierre's entire baseball existence hinges on reliability.
A team signs up for the Pierre Experience knowing exactly what they're going to get. They're going to get a guy who conditions himself to survive an entire 162-game season. They're going to get a guy with no power and a so-so on-base percentage, but he runs the bases better than almost anyone. They're going to get a guy who catches enough balls in left field to offset his pop-gun arm.
To the casual viewer, Pierre is barely a ballplayer. Over the long haul, though, consistency is valued in a clubhouse. With Pierre, you can set it and forget it. He contributes only a little here and a little there, but he contributes a lot his little bits, and by the end of the season, it adds up to be worth what the Sox are paying him.
Or maybe that should all be written in the past tense now. This year's edition of Pierre is a siphon.
Who knew that Pierre's slow start last year would be the only thing providing hope for this year?
When it comes to his performance at the plate, he's actually ahead of the game. Here's what he's done through the first 31 games of each of his two White Sox seasons:
- 2010: .223/.282/.223
- 2011: .246/.316/.270
Pierre has drawn 12 walks, and he's had two three-walk games in May. The month is only four days old. He's not giving away at-bats, and normally, this would be an awesome development.
Except for the whole baserunning thing. Pierre has committed 10 outs on the basepaths this year, which means you can effectively remove 10 times he reached base from his OBP count. If you take those away from his 30 hits, 12 walks and one HBP, and divide by 136 plate appearances, it feels more like his OBP is ... 243.
To be fair, we should do the same thing to his 2010 line. He was caught stealing in four of his 19 attempts and was picked off once over that 31-game period. Subtract those outs from the OBP calculation, and his effective OBP is ... .244.
That means that in every meaningful way, Pierre is off to a worse start than he was last year. Compounding problems, he's worse in the ways that really count for him.
The 6-for-14 performance on the basepaths is truly crippling, especially in situations like Monday. He got an outstanding jump off Jeremy Guthrie, and Matt Wieters still threw him out by a comfortable margin.
In comparison, his decline in the field isn't nearly as concerning, but it's way more baffling. It'd be one thing if he were merely a step slow, but he's making an adventure out of routine balls. He's tentative, whether in tracking a flyball or figuring out whether a ball is actually stuck underneath padding along a wall.
Pierre can't be unsure about his game in any respect, because his game is built on confidence. Everybody else in the world can doubt him (and most do), but if Pierre joins them, you can start counting down the days left in his career.
Last year, he hit bottom on May 7 against Toronto. Not only did he go 0-for-6, but his attempted walk-off drag bunt resulted in a pop-out to the pitcher. Pierre came back the next day and had the first of four straight multi-hit games. He was an asset the rest of the season.
If Pierre is going to flip the switch again, he's got to do it now. If his problems extend into the middle of May, Ozzie Guillen has to consider other options, or else he's not doing his job. The best solution I can think of isn't elegant -- it's Pierre taking a backseat to a Mark Teahen-Dayan Viciedo platoon. It's disrespecting a veteran, sure, but it's in favor of a rotation that involves two players who are part of the White Sox's 2012 plans.
As of now, Pierre doesn't have a role in the future. And if he can't steal a bag without getting thrown out the next time, he doesn't have a role in the present, either.
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Pontious Pilate
Crucify him! crucify him! Juan Pierre is what he is. People booed him day 2 of the season. There are better candidates for criticism, don’t give into the mob mentality. How about Gordon? AJ? Rios? And the defenders of Adam Dunn? They all run to criticize Juan Pierre. Of course he’s struggling with confidence. His team SUCKS. He’s the kind of player that only makes his team better if the players around him perform well, a.k.a. a team. I’m expecting to catch fire for this, for mine is not a popular position.
Umm did you actually read the article?
"Do you guys think you know more about sports than MJ or Kobe?"
by Tdogg on May 5, 2011 7:52 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
So you want me to write about how much Beckham and Rios suck...
…after I already wrote recently about how much Beckham and Rios suck?
http://www.southsidesox.com/2011/5/1/2146844/gordon-beckham-is-broken
http://www.southsidesox.com/2011/4/15/2112419/rios-is-grounded
http://www.southsidesox.com/2011/4/26/2133638/reading-room-williams-on-woes-rios-on-toe
Thanks for reading.
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Their numbers speak for themselves.
But we do need to consider the intangibles.
don't worry you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb
Juan Pierre is also known as "a team"?
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
while i certainly enjoy seeing a leadoff hitter take walks
one always wonders with players getting into the their mid-30s whether a spike in walks is the first sign of slowing bat speed. like our good friend shonne figuuns.
by larry on May 5, 2011 6:46 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I see it.
That is astute. But Shonne does not look nearly as much like dave chapelle, which is merit in of itself.
The fact that 6 of his 12 walks have happened in May and it is only May 5
Leads me to believe he has atleast taken a look at himself in the mirror after that April. It shows me he is trying to adjust his approach at the plate so he can get his season turned around. I guess that is all you can ask, especially if his bat speed is dwindling.
Did you read Yeats?

Turning and turning in left field
The leadoff man cannot hear the third base coach;
Things fall apart; Ozzie cannot tweet;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The diamond sock tide is loosed, and everywhere
The hopes of fans are drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
want Walker to be fired.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely Cleveland’s time is at hand.
Cleveland’s time! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Progressive Field
Troubles my sight: a waste of burning rivers;
A shape with donkey body and the head of a Pronk,
A gaze blank and pitiless as Ohio in January,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Wind shadows of the seagulls pooping on empty seats.
The darkness drops again but now I know
That twenty centuries of Stone Ponies sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a bullpen blowup,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bridgeport to be born?
The guy at the bank doesn't care how many trophies you've got!
by 67WMAQ on May 5, 2011 7:16 AM CDT reply actions 11 recs
I thought you were on strike
Go away scab!
"Do you guys think you know more about sports than MJ or Kobe?"
by Tdogg on May 5, 2011 7:53 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
you'll be back. They always come back...
Like the undead.
I am more than capable of loving the White Sox like no other, while hating the rotting abortion at Wrigley. Hell, I can also fully hate the Twain, Yankees and Red Sox at the same time!
Emotional multitasking. It exists. - RW Show
by DrEmilioLizardo on May 5, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Our season so far in a nutshell
This is awesome.
Our manager wears 13, we were supposedly cursed, and we wear black. Let's play.
Poetic? Just nuts!
Rec’d for capturing the spirit of the times.
by Billy Charlesbois on May 5, 2011 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
One of the more disturbed Sox fans of his time.

"Trying to sneak a fastball by Paulie is like trying to sneak the Sun past a rooster." —Hawk Harrelson
by mikecws91 on May 5, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
See, pain is a great catalyst for creativity.
This is going to be one creative season.
don't worry you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb
Show me on the doll where the bad offense made poor contact.
The guy at the bank doesn't care how many trophies you've got!
by 67WMAQ on May 5, 2011 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
Juan Pierre
is just another in a long line of “kind of leadoff hitters” for us. Aside from, at times, Podsednik, we just don’t get leadoff hitters who do what they’re supposed to do. If Pierre picks it up I’ll be happy, but I think it’s just the curse of the South Side leadoff spot.
by PenguinHawk on May 5, 2011 7:52 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I think Im more than a casual viewer, yet I consider Pierre barely a ball player in this waning phase of his career.
UZR: Oh the underwear I’ve seen.
Pierre/Teahen/Viciedo
I have never been a fan of Pierre, his level of effectiveness hinges on 1 tool that if he loses it in the slighest amount he becomes barely a single A baseball player, his margin for error is amazingly small for a guy with as long and productive a career as Juan has had.
I never care about ruffling the feathers of veterins with a possible benching, if you have guys that can help you win more games Teahen/Viciedo then they should play, this is professional sports not a popularity contest. And Juan was already benched a couple years ago by the dodgers, this shouldnt be new to him.
Sox will probably give him about another month to turn it on, if he doesnt… is time to look to move him if possible, otherwise you have to go with the better options, and a platoon may be that option.
Isn't that exactly what the original post said? Or am I reading it/this wrong?
Beware the cure isn't worse than the disease
I wish Kenny would put base stealing on hold for the whole team for a week.
Obviously, that won’t happen, but it would be nice.
“Guys, just get on base and let the other hitters do their jobs. Please.”
AJ Pierzynski: You have to want to catch.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on May 5, 2011 8:40 AM CDT reply actions
Fixed
I wish Kenny Ozzie would put base stealing on hold for the whole team for a week year.
"Do you guys think you know more about sports than MJ or Kobe?"
by Tdogg on May 5, 2011 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's why I said "Kenny'' because I know Ozzie never will stop the baserunning stuff.
AJ Pierzynski: You have to want to catch.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on May 5, 2011 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Unfortunately Ozzie is the manager of the team
Not Kenny. All Kenny can do is not acquire those kinds of players in the future.
by ObsidianXIII on May 5, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I allowed myself the fantasy of an 'executive decree from on high.'
But, alas, some things shall not pass.
AJ Pierzynski: You have to want to catch.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on May 5, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Like a lot of fans
I think lots of us would like a manager who pays just a little attention to advanced metrics. I have the same sentiment about Ozzie.
Ozzie, please understand enough of baserunning that an awful success rate really hurts the team. And the bunting: It should not be considered before the 7th inning.
Does his shirt really say "Least Mode"?
I wouldn’t expect that degree of self-reflection out of Juan. Much respect.
(That's not what the shirt originally said. But I'll never tell).
AJ Pierzynski: You have to want to catch.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on May 5, 2011 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Really, what did it say?
I can’t see any evidence of other letters having been fully or partially worn off.
And why is the T a cross? I’m so confused.
Beast Mode
I hope Kotsay gets hit by a dump truck and slips into a coma where he is stuck forever in Baseball purgatory having to bat against a three-headed, six-armed Lefty Hydra consisting of Billy Wagner, Damaso Marte, and Randy Johnson. - Shoeless In SC
It's like trying to sneak the sun past the rooster. - Hawk Harrelson
Consider yourself Kotsay'dh
It’s a screengrab from here.
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At least the shirt didn't say...
…“Statistically Eliminated”
Mike Tyson: "I broke my back"
Jim Gray: "….what do you mean by that?"
Mike Tyson: "...SPINAL"
by Hurricane_Ditka on May 5, 2011 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Good News
It’s impossible for the White Sox to lose today.
yessir.
The White Sox are either merciful by giving us a day without pain or devious by letting us build ourselves back up just to bring us back down again tomorrow.
Take your whosh like a man, dammit. - RWShow
White Sox Baseball:
We’re so expensive, we force Christians to steal. - blackoutsox
by Shoeless In SC on May 5, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
well...they could lose 1/2 game
How about if all Div teams lose? A White Sox winner!
It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes...it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.
by lastof12 on May 5, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Tomorrow on South Side Sox!
A special guest star will weigh in on hitting coaches! You’ll wet yourself when you find out!
Whales! Squids! Sharks! They're everywhere! Hello, I am Poseidon! Now, when people told me I was crazy that thinly sliced roast beef would be a delicious fast-food option, I knew it was the greatest idea, and you can thank me later for Arby's.
Former President Gerald Ford?
The guy at the bank doesn't care how many trophies you've got!
by 67WMAQ on May 5, 2011 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
the actual el guapo?
trying to think of a word more disheartening than disheartening. wait, i got it....... banjaxed.
WhereTriplesGoToDie?!
AJ Pierzynski: You have to want to catch.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on May 5, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
if you have the time (or desire)
i’ve got no problem bumping the seattle preview back a day. feel free to make it tonight’s post.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Latrell Sprewell?
It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes...it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.
His advice ...
you have to choke up more!!!
by Billy Charlesbois on May 5, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Greg Walker?
I hope Kotsay gets hit by a dump truck and slips into a coma where he is stuck forever in Baseball purgatory having to bat against a three-headed, six-armed Lefty Hydra consisting of Billy Wagner, Damaso Marte, and Randy Johnson. - Shoeless In SC
It's like trying to sneak the sun past the rooster. - Hawk Harrelson
by blackoutsox on May 5, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
SoxfaninCT?
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on May 5, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
rally boobs?
"I wonder if converting Peavy to a closer role would be best? Help keep him healthy and help solidify the pen a bit." - Bent Over Beckham
by BoeJouma on May 5, 2011 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
what are the parameters for the "blow it up" post this year?
x games back by y date?
I shant be misled a second time
one game back
by may 21st.
trying to think of a word more disheartening than disheartening. wait, i got it....... banjaxed.
Well you have to get Peavy back first
Obviously his pitching helps the hitting with….
Never-mind.
"Do you guys think you know more about sports than MJ or Kobe?"
I suppose "Blowing it up" would mainly consist of
getting something for EJax and Pierre. If there are takers for AJ and Teahan, they wouldn’t be part of the next world series team, anyway.
If they’re 10 games out at the All-Star break – first 2 game skid afterwards, start launching.
by TasteeFreeze on May 5, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
aj has 10&5 rights.
i’d expect him to waive them if it came to that, but i’d be surprised if he didn’t want to choose the team. which obviously narrows kenny’s options.
Grateful
because the Sox can’t lose today.
Nice piece Jim.
The question is how important is it to have a disruptive force on base paths.
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
instead of "important"
I should have chose “effective”. It seems nothing is very effective this season.
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
Please stop now, boys ...
I typically catch my Sox in bars with no audio of the game. What’s the status of Hawk’s state of mind throughout all this? Has Steve scooted as far as he can from him in the booth?
by Billy Charlesbois on May 5, 2011 11:12 AM CDT reply actions
i think hawk is pretty much in line with most sox fans
outright disgust a week ago, more bemused now.
UZR: Oh the underwear I’ve seen.
Good piece Jim
Have you created a new stat? Net OBP? Not trying to be smart, I don’t get into stats (read don’t know all of them) like others here. Is there something out there regarding running into outs vs OBP?
It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes...it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.
I had never heard this before either and I thought it was pretty damn cool too...
a way to quantify his diminishing baserunning.
There are base running stats (i.e. BaseRuns).
Jim’s stat (while illustrative for his point) overlooks the fact that a hit and then a pick off is better than a straight up out , because it offers the opportunity to knock in runner on base (a phenomenon I’ve heard about, but haven’t witnessed in some time).
I am learning more and more on advanced stats but Jim's stat illustrates it good enough for a layman like me.
But thank you for the heads-up on BaseRuns, I’ll look into it.
I think BattingRuns
is BaseRuns + wOBA. That way you can see what the whole offensive player is worth.
I believe the acronym you're referring to is wRBI
Wishful Runs Batted In.
It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes...it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.
fixed! Thanks.
It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes...it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.
Yup, it's simple to the point of dangerous.
Smarter people than I have probably done something like this, with proper weighting and the like. For instance, if he reaches with nobody out and gets caught stealing with two outs, he gave two people a chance to do something with a runner on base. The run expectancy drops enough to where the risk might be more easily justified.
But for keeping track of his own unforced removals, it kinda paints a picture.
Whales! Squids! Sharks! They're everywhere! Hello, I am Poseidon! Now, when people told me I was crazy that thinly sliced roast beef would be a delicious fast-food option, I knew it was the greatest idea, and you can thank me later for Arby's.
Mark Gonzales
Seems to be entertained with a managerial change (Jim Fregossi and Buddy Bell).
Link to Q&A
I think this is the first time he sounds not very Guillen supportive (I wouldn’t blame him).
Some good questions out there…some interesting answers….just if you are bored like me.
Ohh…lunch time break is over….
If you chase two rabbits both will escape!
Their records are less than impressive.
And I would wager Fregosi would tell you he is not a candidate.
don't worry you’ve got plenty of time left by the tomb

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