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On Tuesday night, Chris Sale finally looked like lefty-terrorizing menace he was supposed to be when Kenny Williams and Ozzie Guillen thrust him into an indefinite, full-time relief role.

With Adrian Gonzalez at the plate and the tying run on deck, Guillen called on Sale to end the evening.

Did he ever. Even though he missed the mitt three times, Gonzalez couldn't time his stuff. Sale got ahead of Gonzalez with an inside-corner fastball for strike one, got a fastball just off the outside corner for strike two, and then froze Gonzalez with a slider on the inside corner for strike three.

Granted, A.J. Pierzynski had set up outside on the first and third pitches. That's not a terrible thing. For one, they were good misses, and plus, Sale isn't a control artist. He's supposed to be all arms, legs and heat. So far this season, he's only had the first two down.

The second fastball -- the one that generated the swing and miss -- had some sizzle to it, and Sale felt it:

Sale thought he might go slider on the second pitch to Gonzalez, but catcher A.J. Pierzynski called for the fastball and the lefty got a little bit extra on it.

"I figured he would take the first one and we would pound him with sliders after that," Sale said. "I ended up throwing a fastball second pitch. It’s one of those things where I was trying to not think too much out there and go with it."

FanGraphs says Sale lost two ticks on his heater, and hitters aren't afraid of it. During the last at-bat of Tuesday's game, that element of discomfort surfaced in the batter's box again.

According to Brooks, that second fastball to Gonzalez was clocked at 96.8 mph. That's still not his fastest fastball, but it would fit in nicely with his 2010 radar gun readings. One of the league's best hitters couldn't get around on it, and that was a welcome sight.

That one-third of an inning complemented his previous outing against Toronto nicely. Against the Blue Jays on Saturday, Sale threw sliders on 22 of his 47 pitches, and yet he only issued one walk over three innings.

Star-divide

So it appears that Sale's game is coming together, and that's sorely needed. Sergio Santos has exceeded all expectations and Jesse Crain has taken a leadership role in cleaning up his teammates' messes. In fact, Guillen has had to resist using Crain on a couple of occasions this season. He's appeared in a team-leading 23 games so far, and even though Crain says he's available, Guillen has had to overrule him.

The rest of the bullpen still hasn't settled itself, and that's why it's easy to want to cling to Sale's strikeout as a symbol of something bigger. The Sox need one of Sale or Matt Thornton step up, and if only one of them can make a return to elite reliever status, I'd pull for Sale. He has a much better shot at being tough on righties, too, and if he can resemble a complete reliever, it takes the pressure off both Crain and Thornton. The former doesn't always have to be used in high-leverage situations, and the latter can go back to what he's best suited for -- running through a couple lefties in an inning.

He's taken a first step in stringing together successful, important relief appearances. The next step is to keep that heat up. Sale isn't nearly polished enough to succeed throwing 94. However, if he's in the area of 97 mph, it's a whole different ballgame, and Ozzie Guillen has a whole different bullpen.

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May. All things considered not bad

16-13 (6-5 home) (10-8 road)
128 RS 108 RA

Team wOBA ..332 (7th on AL)
Team ERA 3.61 (5th)
Team FIP 3.65 (4th)
Team xFIP 4.04 (7th)

"Do you guys think you know more about sports than MJ or Kobe?"

by Tdogg on Jun 1, 2011 9:15 AM CDT reply actions  

May batters

"Do you guys think you know more about sports than MJ or Kobe?"

by Tdogg on Jun 1, 2011 9:37 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

just make the tdogg month in review post already

But, like, who cares right? Sack up and such. ~ colintj

by e-gus on Jun 1, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

no time.

I’m thru spamming! lol

"Do you guys think you know more about sports than MJ or Kobe?"

by Tdogg on Jun 1, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I noticed that a little while ago.

Still trouble with the fastball but definitely has started to rebound.

"Do you guys think you know more about sports than MJ or Kobe?"

by Tdogg on Jun 1, 2011 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

in this new era of the pitcher

I consider an 800 OPS to be pretty damn good.

But, like, who cares right? Sack up and such. ~ colintj

by e-gus on Jun 1, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Especially for a middle infielder

On the other hand in the words of Kenwo
Rios sucks balls right now. 4 starters with slugging percentages in spitting distance of Juan Pierre. WTF?

"Do you guys think you know more about sports than MJ or Kobe?"

by Tdogg on Jun 1, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

It actually is quite a bit above average so far this season.

.252/.320/.390 (97 OPS+) is average in all of baseball. .710 OPS, average! Madness.

(The White Sox are as average as it gets, hitting .252/.320/.389 as a team, with a 95 OPS+. Crazy!)

by mechanical turk on Jun 1, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

with fielding

Alexei almost had a 2 WAR month. Can he reach 5 this year???

"Do you guys think you know more about sports than MJ or Kobe?"

by Tdogg on Jun 1, 2011 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Best news from the chart:

April SB/CS: 16/15
May SB/CS: 9/10

Fewer attempts makes me happy.

Beware the cure isn't worse than the disease

by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2011 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

its all freaking terrible

just embarrassingly bad

"Do you guys think you know more about sports than MJ or Kobe?"

by Tdogg on Jun 1, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Can one of you numbers crunchers figure out how many runs the team has lost

from the crappy sb rate? Is it enough to equal a win yet?

"Do you guys think you know more about sports than MJ or Kobe?"

by Tdogg on Jun 1, 2011 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

VERY Ballpark:

IF all attempts were 1st to 2nd with no out, I’d guess the 25 CS would be about 5-6 runs.
But they weren’t (of course), so maybe 4-5 runs? At that pace it would be around 1-1/2 games over the season.

Beware the cure isn't worse than the disease

by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2011 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

okay makes sense

I was thinking half a win when I glanced again.

"Do you guys think you know more about sports than MJ or Kobe?"

by Tdogg on Jun 1, 2011 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Then there's this: Read it and weep...

There aren’t many stats for measuring managers, aside from raw win-loss totals. This is largely because most of the effects that a manager has are either difficult or outright impossible to quantify.

Well, I don’t have a stat to help you assess managers, but I have come up with a junk stat that I think will at least tell us something about managers’ personalities. I call it the Traditional Managing Index, or TMI*, and it’s very simple. It consists of two statistics that can largely be attributed to managers:

TMI = sac bunts by position players + intentional walks

The higher a manager’s TMI, the more “old school” his in-game managing style is. Take a look at the TMI results for 2011 so far:

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/623918/Traditional-Managing-Index.png

Beware the cure isn't worse than the disease

by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Guillen's TMI

is giving me a TMJ-like headache

This sig is fantastic -winningugly

by Rhubarb on Jun 1, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's radiation from the other TMI.

Beware the cure isn't worse than the disease

by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

temporo-madibular joint?

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Jun 1, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Come on, U-G.

You gotta ask?

And despite his prodigious, powerful display,Battling loneliness, rage, misery
There really isn’t much else left to say.

by winningugly on Jun 1, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

And if you combine that with sac bunts,,,

Beware the cure isn't worse than the disease

by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2011 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

well if you're going to throw away an out...

at least do it in a way that has the most success of getting the runner to second!

We all make mistakes wu.. I’m sure there has been a few times I was drunk enough that I forgot to put the booze in - GiT

I pulled a little something out of my ass. i’m feeling somewhat better - colin

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 1, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

see my post at 11:04 above.

Beware the cure isn't worse than the disease

by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, I did. thx.

I was making a joke. implying that our SB success rate is so bad it’d be better to just bunt people over instead, because at least that usually succeeds.

We all make mistakes wu.. I’m sure there has been a few times I was drunk enough that I forgot to put the booze in - GiT

I pulled a little something out of my ass. i’m feeling somewhat better - colin

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 1, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Braves are worse.

Hard to believe anyone could be worse.

And despite his prodigious, powerful display,Battling loneliness, rage, misery
There really isn’t much else left to say.

by winningugly on Jun 1, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

No regulars under .200...!

This sig is fantastic -winningugly

by Rhubarb on Jun 1, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rios should be put on waivers (again)

and if someone is dumb enough to claim him (again) Bridge should play CF.

that’s my DBIOTD.

We all make mistakes wu.. I’m sure there has been a few times I was drunk enough that I forgot to put the booze in - GiT

I pulled a little something out of my ass. i’m feeling somewhat better - colin

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 1, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

woah middle infield

i can dig it

Easy chief
We’re a community - Tdogg

by Jack M on Jun 1, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

May Pitchers

"Do you guys think you know more about sports than MJ or Kobe?"

by Tdogg on Jun 1, 2011 9:38 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Clearly we should launch Danks ass :-)

All the talk of Jackson, kind of missed him getting his control together lately.

"Do you guys think you know more about sports than MJ or Kobe?"

by Tdogg on Jun 1, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Poor Lucas.

Used as a meat shield, then punished for it.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jun 1, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gee comparing the starters and relievers

it would be freaking nice if they stopped walking every damn one. The bullpen ERA was probably lucky as hell with those bb rates. Of course the starting staff k rates models some 1970s pitch to contact squad. Im guessing the defense improved??

"Do you guys think you know more about sports than MJ or Kobe?"

by Tdogg on Jun 1, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hmm. Yeah I think it did,

I think someone should write a “Month in Review” type recap to clarify everything.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jun 1, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

you're not joking.

those walk rates by the bullpen are really terrible by everyone except, surprisingly, will ohman.

We all make mistakes wu.. I’m sure there has been a few times I was drunk enough that I forgot to put the booze in - GiT

I pulled a little something out of my ass. i’m feeling somewhat better - colin

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 1, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Almost looks like a typical Twins starting 5...

with those walks rates and low strikeout totals. Have to be encouraged by the control, but skeptical of the K’s.Humber’s offspeed stuff looks good enough that he should get more K’s, even if his fastball is below average. Love the control out of Peavy, if the K’s come back to a normal level, he should exceed my expectations by quite a bit.

by polodude017 on Jun 1, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Woooooow.
Through Monday attendance in Major League Baseball is down 237,983 through the same number of games in 2010. 207,612 of that decline — a whopping 87% — is accounted for by the Los Angeles Dodgers alone.

via Craig Calcaterra

by mechanical turk on Jun 1, 2011 10:05 AM CDT reply actions  

McCourt picked a bad season to stop sniffing glue

I can almost see a second person in the picture above walking with AJ.

NISFW (now it's safe for work!)

by greenlight on Jun 1, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

that is pretty amazing

Easy chief
We’re a community - Tdogg

by Jack M on Jun 1, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Boone Who?

I was pulling in the Hampton IL “oasis” (complete with Burger King and Popeyes!) to get gas nervous as hell. I had to wait in my car for those three pitches, but I exited my car a happy 815Sox.

by 815Sox on Jun 1, 2011 11:05 AM CDT reply actions  

This morning my boss greets me by saying:

“Remember a year ago when you said you wouldn’t trade Beckham for Adrian Gonzalez? Bet you feel dumb about that now.”

ehhh. Sale coming in for the 3 pitch K was nice though. I was getting nervous that it was gonna turn into another horrible loss

by Barold on Jun 1, 2011 11:13 AM CDT reply actions  

I am sure we would feel much different if we had not resigned Paulie

The argument that you had to keep Beckham for A-Gon because of what Beckham was going to become doesn’t look as good today as it did then.

by 815Sox on Jun 1, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm still hung up on surplus value with that deal.

It made sense for the Red Sox since they can afford to re-sign him. The White Sox couldn’t, so they’d only have the one year at $6.3MM. I think with Beckham they’ll get more wins than they pay for by the time he hits arbitration than they would have gotten from this one year of Gonzalez. If Beckham is worth about 2 WAR per year, he’s the better deal.

Of course, if Gonzalez could have propelled the Sox to a world series title, everything changes.

by mechanical turk on Jun 1, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did you tell your boss to GFHS?

This sig is fantastic -winningugly

by Rhubarb on Jun 1, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Excellent!

Is he a Cub fan?

This sig is fantastic -winningugly

by Rhubarb on Jun 1, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Brewers fan

he really just likes giving me a hard time

by Barold on Jun 1, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Is this "Canteen Boy"?

You can sue for that.

And despite his prodigious, powerful display,Battling loneliness, rage, misery
There really isn’t much else left to say.

by winningugly on Jun 1, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Beane tells Suzuki to avoid home plate collisions:

wonder if other managers are doing this already too?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=6613043

Oakland general manager Billy Beane became the first MLB executive to issue a directive to a catcher on his team in the aftermath of the home-plate collision that ended the season of Giants catcher Buster Posey.

Beane told A’s catcher Kurt Suzuki he wanted him to avoid putting himself in harm’s way.

“I said to him, ‘I don’t want you planting yourself in front of the plate waiting to get creamed. You’re an athletic catcher — be athletic,’ " Beane told ESPN.

Easy chief
We’re a community - Tdogg

by Jack M on Jun 1, 2011 11:16 AM CDT reply actions  

It seems odd to make this public.

Seems like an invitation for runners to try to take home even if it’s remotely close.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jun 1, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

The situation is quite rare

I imagine the difference of blocking the plate and trying for a tag is pretty small.

Seems unlikely the announcement matters.

by joewho112 on Jun 1, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well yes.

But Suzuki might not take the 100% attempt to get the out. I suppose yes, the situation would be quite rare. Maybe not enough to make a 3B coach consider it in his quick decision.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jun 1, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Plus, when it comes down to it

Suzuki will take a hit if need be. Beane be damned, he has been taught his whole life to protect the plate in those circumstances.

This sig is fantastic -winningugly

by Rhubarb on Jun 1, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps he can show the baserunner the memo

as he goes chugging toward the plate

NISFW (now it's safe for work!)

by greenlight on Jun 1, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

perhaps catchers should catcher the ball in the glove, and throw the ball in glove at the runner

wait, that wouldn’t work.

We all make mistakes wu.. I’m sure there has been a few times I was drunk enough that I forgot to put the booze in - GiT

I pulled a little something out of my ass. i’m feeling somewhat better - colin

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 1, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mods--feel free to beat me about the head and shoulders

if I’m not supposed to do this. I have three tickets to the Saturday, June 4, 6:10 game against the Tigers and would like someone to use them. No charge, you just have to be willing to sit with me in my seats. First come. Lemme know. I will be incommunicado for the next hour or so, but will come back to see if anyone takes me up on this. Thanks, all!

by LockportSox on Jun 1, 2011 11:45 AM CDT reply actions  

Do you provide baked goods?

Beware the cure isn't worse than the disease

by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Easily

if it means someone will use the tickets.

by LockportSox on Jun 1, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

i already have tickets

but email me where you’re sitting so i can come say hi.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Jun 1, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

make sure to beat her about the head and shoulders

But, like, who cares right? Sack up and such. ~ colintj

by e-gus on Jun 1, 2011 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whoa boy
PWSullivan Paul Sullivan
Ricketts on what’s wrong w/ his team: "Nothing. Just injuries "

by 815Sox on Jun 1, 2011 11:54 AM CDT reply actions  

I haven't followed them too closely, but isn't that pretty much true?

Under the impression they’ve got a bunch of call-ups?

Beware the cure isn't worse than the disease

by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

i thought it was pretty much true.

they’re performing about as expected, adjusted for injury.

by larry on Jun 1, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

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