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Carlos Quentin's Last 15 HR

Man, the number of HR I watch keeps going up.  This time was a matter of frustration with what I was seeing.  In part it was because Carlos has hit out an inordinate number of ugly mistakes compared to Paulie and Alexei.  I'm not sure if that's because he's had more opportunities or just that he's made good on the same few he's gotten.  Either way, it's just not that informative.  I know for a fact KenWo* could have gone yard on the slider** Holland threw to Quentin.

The other frustrating bit in watching Q! swing the bat is actually watching him do it.  I feel like I have an understanding of how Paulie and Alexei do what they do.  While both swings are different, they're free of excess.   The adjective that comes to mind is "natural".  

Baseball's contrived as much as any sport, so the concept of a swing being natural is a little weird.  Of course, we use it anyway.  Hell it's the title of a movie.  Because that's what natural is in sports.  "Natural" in sports almost always refers to something in the way of pure unconscious; it's a kind of perfection exactly because we're not thinking about it.  And that's Carlos' problem right there.  Maybe "thinker" isn't the right word and "brooder" comes closer, but he doesn't give the impression of someone who can just let it all go.  He can't just be and he can't just do.  

He's similar in this sense to Paulie earlier in his career.  But now PK seems so zen.  So out of mind.  So good that he can tap into that secret vein, that swing that every 12 year old sees in his mind's eye as he's lacing it back up the middle, just like you're supposed to.  I wouldn't argue that either Konerko or Alexei or AJ have taken on this platonic form, but they have access to it.  They've adapted it, taken their flaws and shaped it around that ur-swing.

Star-divide

Not Carlos.  To me, he's always looked like he's fighting, pounding away at round pegs until they're a hell of a lot more square.  To me, Carlos' swing is his impossibly contorted back foot, mashed outward in a half-waddle toward some obscure end. Everything ugly, but him so strong that it might not matter.  But so I got to 10 homers and I kept going, not sure what I was waiting to see.  Eventually, I got to his shot off Tyler Chatwood, the Angels' pretty good really young righty:

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So this is what I see that's changed.  The beginning of the thing is still weird.  His top hand still totally disengages from the bat right before he loads up.  But instead of staying weird and forced and twisted into knots, he's starting to unwind and tap in.  I might even suggest that Greg Walker has taught him a thing or two.  Because last year, he looked like this:

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He hit a home run like that.  He used to hit all of his home runs like that.  I'm not saying he's a totally changed player, but there's a more than significant difference there.  I'll go on about the difference, but I think the pictures say it all.  The reason we all have more or less the same idea of what a good swing looks like is because there are only so many ways for the human body to efficiently work with (and against) the laws of physics when it comes to hitting a round ball with a round stick.  

So what changed?  It is reasonable to think Walk had something to do with it. But knowing Q, he actually went back and read the Principia.  Hell, knowing Q he probably went to London to read an archival copy.  Hell, knowing Q, he probably demanded the temporary suspension of the laws detailed therein so he could travel back in time to talk with Sir Isaac just to get in touch with a kindred curmudgeonly spirit and really understand the whole thing from the beginning.  Maybe he'd never heard of the apple story.

Yeah but so that's what I think is different between this year and years previous.  I think when you're fighting yourself and major league pitchers figure out your weaknesses, adapting is all the more difficult.  And that repeating the same swing consistently is all the more difficult.  He could simplify and smooth out further still, but so far there's been a big difference.  All of a sudden he's got a chance on that slider away again.  Here's the play by play on the HR:

  • 6/8 - Jamey Wright - Big curve just a bit inside for a ball then a heater low and away off the plate.  Another fastball, this one with some cut, just off the outside corner, 3-0.  Then Q takes all the way on a heater for the first strike.  A heater low and in just below the knee.  93 mph fastball (RHP).
  • 6/8 - Jason Vargas - Fastball up and in for a first pitch strike followed by a slider low and in off the plate.  Backdoor slider gets a strike.  Next fastball is thigh high and in, but not far enough.  89 mph fastball (LHP).
  • 6/7 - Felix Hernandez - Fastball inside for a ball then another heater well off the plate away.  Next pitch is a fastball intended for the outside corner that just keeps riding to the inner half of the plate right below the belt.  Aaand whaaaammmy.  95 mph fastball (RHP).
  • 6/3 - Andy Oliver - Opens backdoor slider for a strike on the outer half.  He follows up with pretty much the exact same pitch and Carlos crushes it.  83 mph slider (LHP).
  • 5/29 - Ricky Romero - First pitch fastball is just on the plate away from Quentin, but he was looking for it and got all of it.  92 mph fastball (LHP).
  • 5/24 - Dave Bush - 88 mph fastball up and away missed, followed up with a slider that backed up to the middle of the plate.  Not a good pitch.  80 mph slider (RHP).
  • 5/24 - Derek Holland - Fastball a bit in, but right there for the most part.  Followed up by a heater up, but on the outside quarter.  Very similar to the Romero bomb, except he went oppo into the jet stream.  Smart hitting.  94 mph fastball (LHP).
  • 5/24 - Derek Holland - Slider inside, belt high.  I kind of hesitate to call it anything.  Terrible pitch in a worse location.  75 mph slider (LHP).
  • 5/19 - Fausto Carmona - Sinker well inside.  Santana sets up away for the second sinker, that also ends up well inside, but fouled off.  Slider away on the corner, but up and without a lot of bite.  87 mph slider (RHP).
  • 5/9 - Trevor Bell - Fastball low and away misses, but the follow-up slider has enough bite and stays on the plate.  Carlos checks it up, but it's a strike.  The next slider is away, but up under the belt and Quentin sees it all the way.  83 mph slider (RHP).
  • 5/6 - Felix Hernandez - Two seamer that got up above the belt that Quentin fouled away.  Then a slider that backed up over the inner portion of the plate.  85 mph slider.
  • 4/22 - Justin Verlander - Almost the same spot as the first one (not that you've read about it yet)! Just a bit more on the plate.  94 mph fastball (RHP).
  • 4/22 - Justin Verlander - Big fastball up and over the outer half but in the zone and Carlos whiffed.  The next was farther up and farther out for a ball.  Slider way off missed.  Then a 100 mph in the same spot as the first, this time fouled straight back.  A bad change up and in to go full followed by a fastball well in that hit Carlos' check swing.  The third fastball in that up and away spot and Carlos finally caught up.  96 mph fastball (RHP).
  • 4/20 - Wade Davis - Change way in for a ball.  Curve low and away, ball two.  Fastball, thigh high and on the inner quarter.  88 mph fastball (RHP).
  • 4/16 - Tyler Chatwood - Fastball splits the plate, thigh high.  93 mph fastball (RHP).
So like I said, the sliders he's hit for bombs aren't crazy great pitches for the most part.  But I was still surprised at what he did with them.  My recollection, formed by some serious rough patches in '09 and '10, was just being lost on that pitch against righties.  The data backs it up.

Which is not to say that he's suddenly impossible to get out.  The pitchers here still had a pretty consistent approach.  If you can avoid the portion of the zone from the middle to the inside corner from the top of his shin to his belt with the fastball, you'll be okay.  There was an obvious attempt to move the fastball from low and away to up and in.  I've seen him roll over the fastball away and pop up or whiff on the fastball up and in enough to agree with the in-and-out approach.  It's necessary: he's so strong that he can take any pitch that he's looking for out of any part of the ballpark.

So, like with Konerko, command is at a real premium.  It really doesn't matter how hard you throw.  That 100 mph fastball Verlander threw was thisclose to parked.  As it was, he took two other heaters deep in pretty much the same spot.  The thing I like about Verlander's approach is that he figured if he was gonna miss, he'd miss up.  It didn't work, but I think the mentality is right.

He's still vulnerable to the slider, but his recognition is better than in years past.  I think this is largely because he's more comfortable at the plate.  He's thinking less, so he's processing information faster.  Despite his career reverse splits, lefties are definitely at a disadvantage.  The change isn't as problematic for him as the slider and odds are you're throwing slower and at a worse angle.  If you have enough confidence in the change, you can probably do okay just because you'll be able to stay off the fastball enough to mess up his timing.  But still, it's all about command.  Make pitches and he's still prone to getting himself out on weak contact.  Make a mistake and there aren't many in the league who can hit them farther.

 

 

*As I was watching the replay, I could actually hear KenWo's voice in my head.  "Holland's a total jag.  I coulda jacked that while writing a behavioral disciplinary infraction, drinking 3 Bud Light Limes and changing a diaper."  Which reminds me: we never should have invited him to the meet up.

**For lack of a better term.  Or in order to avoid a more vulgar one, rather.  What a piece of shit.

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"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees."

by Tdogg on Jun 14, 2011 12:33 PM CDT reply actions  

And nice work.

I enjoy these.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees."

by Tdogg on Jun 14, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great article.

Those are some pretty good pitchers on that list of recent home runs. Verlander, Hernandez, Vargas, and Chatwood? Impressive.

by Fergie3108 on Jun 14, 2011 12:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Vargas = Whitey Ford

This sig is fantastic -winningugly

by Rhubarb on Jun 14, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

They're both good pitchers.

Not at the level of the other two, but solid pitchers none the less.

by Fergie3108 on Jun 14, 2011 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think romero deserves to make this list ahead of vargas and chatwood.

and i would have put that ball 425 to left center colin. you got that right.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Jun 15, 2011 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

nice job, red.

But, like, who cares right? Sack up and such. ~ colintj

by e-gus on Jun 14, 2011 1:07 PM CDT reply actions  

thats how I feel about the cubs last championship

I'd just as soon never hear another word from that fluttering asswheel. - RWShow

by blackoutsox on Jun 14, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is great, ctj, thanks. Him so strong indeed!

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." big_fun, on ESPN loyalties

by homesickalien on Jun 14, 2011 1:31 PM CDT reply actions  

BTW don't take this as writ in stone or whatever

I somehow missed that Q’s actually whiffed more per pitch on sliders this year than in years past. But the one’s he’s connecting with, he’s really doing damage on. Just saying that it’s not exactly cut and dry.

He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local

by colintj on Jun 14, 2011 2:10 PM CDT reply actions  

That's great he's at least doing more damage against the slider. I didn't catch that from watching the games.

Since 2008, Quentin and Alexei have seen quite a high percentage of sliders. Around 20%. So to improve against that pitch is encouraging going forward. One more thing, y u no make levitating bat caption?

by 3E8 on Jun 14, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

for once, i left the caption alone

because i thought it highlighted a difference in post-strikeout mood than maybe he would’ve had in the past. he’s not going hulk smash.

He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local

by colintj on Jun 14, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good stuff.

I had to look up " Principia"

by oahu420 on Jun 14, 2011 2:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Back to road!

Enough of this mere mortal stuff.
Q returns to friendly confines of the road.
.294/.375/.659

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees."

by Tdogg on Jun 14, 2011 2:56 PM CDT reply actions  

This is a great piece, colin.

And despite his prodigious, powerful display,Battling loneliness, rage, misery
There really isn’t much else left to say.

by winningugly on Jun 14, 2011 3:16 PM CDT reply actions  

sigh

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees."

by Tdogg on Jun 14, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Aww Lilli....

Gentlemans, I’m off to the game. I’ll take pics and have a write up of the Target Field experience tomorrow. Gonna bring a winnah!

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jun 14, 2011 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

without looking it up,

it seems like theyve had a large amount of rain-outs there already this season.

But, like, who cares right? Sack up and such. ~ colintj

by e-gus on Jun 14, 2011 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay I'm still at home.

This blows. Fuck this goddamn state. I’m going anyway, but….GHJISDOFHJPOSNSDJOPFiajg

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jun 14, 2011 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Looks like a gap where they can get the start in, and then some waiting before being able to finish.

I might have to go to the booze store and stock up.

"That might be how you roll at Camp Anawanna, Budnick. But where I come from, we only salute Old Glory." -moroots on May 23rd

by South Side Expat on Jun 14, 2011 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

Long night ahead.

And despite his prodigious, powerful display,Battling loneliness, rage, misery
There really isn’t much else left to say.

by winningugly on Jun 14, 2011 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like Floyd in the 10 spot.

He’s like a 2nd leadoff man.

sideways smiley face

by TasteeFreeze on Jun 14, 2011 3:53 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

star-tribune sportswriter on the score just now

said it looks very possible tonight’s game will be rained out. the forecast there tomorrow looks brutal as well.
idiot twins, trying to keep the white sox from maintaining their joint leadership in games played in mlb.

disheartening-o-meter: 7.9

by BuehrleMan on Jun 14, 2011 4:52 PM CDT reply actions  

boooooo. padilla concurs:

Rain almost here. Gonna be a long night for #WhiteSox and #Twins.

http://twitter.com/#!/ESPNChiSox/status/80746768739995648

by craigws on Jun 14, 2011 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Start a reliever

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Jun 14, 2011 5:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

nope.

home: john hirschbeck. first: wally bell. second: laz diaz. third: scott barry.

disheartening-o-meter: 7.9

by BuehrleMan on Jun 14, 2011 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I spit on Hirschbeck.

And despite his prodigious, powerful display,Battling loneliness, rage, misery
There really isn’t much else left to say.

by winningugly on Jun 14, 2011 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well dammit all to hell.

All I’ve been looking forward to, all day, is getting home and strapping it down for this game.
Fuck der Twain and their baseball-hating god.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." big_fun, on ESPN loyalties

by homesickalien on Jun 14, 2011 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

My sentiments exactly.

Depressing

This sig is fantastic -winningugly

by Rhubarb on Jun 14, 2011 6:08 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Are you sure you are on the correct thread?

And despite his prodigious, powerful display,Battling loneliness, rage, misery
There really isn’t much else left to say.

by winningugly on Jun 14, 2011 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

noice.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." big_fun, on ESPN loyalties

by homesickalien on Jun 15, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Q is lighting it up!

When he is feeling it, we scary!

"Are you drowning them or makin' love to them?"

by Bullsarenumber1 on Jun 14, 2011 10:57 PM CDT reply actions  

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