Reading Room: White Sox-Twins by the numbers
Here's the recap of Thursday's game: Michael Cuddyer homered, and nobody from the White Sox did. That's about it.
Record: 33-37 | Box score | Play-by-play. There. ScottyPods Ver2.0's version is far more entertaining.
It's more worthwhile to approach it as a quarter of the White Sox-Twins series so far, and the results aren't good. Among the facts and figures...
THREE: Runs scored by the White Sox in four games against the Minnesota Twins this year.
10: The amount of double plays the White Sox have grounded into in four games against the Minnesota Twins this year.
1-for-22: White Sox hitters with runners in scoring position in four games against the Twins this year.
12-20: The White Sox's record against losing teams this year.
FOUR: Complete games by Gavin Floyd in his White Sox career.
0-4: Floyd's record in his complete games, the worst of any pitcher since 2008. A.J. Burnett is 0-3, while Kevin Millwood (3-4) and Jeremy Guthrie (1-3) are the only other pitchers with at least four complete games and a losing record in them.
15-for-15: Baserunners in their stolen base attempts against Floyd this year, including five against him on Wednesday.
7-for-11: Baserunners in their stolen base attempts against Floyd all last year.
19: Intentional walks issued by the White Sox in 2011, tied for second in the American League.
ONE: Intentional walk issued to Brian Dinkelman on Wednesday. Dinkelman was outrighted to make room for Joe Mauer's return. Brian Dinkelman. Seriously.
3.75: Mark Buehrle's ERA after 14 starts in 2011, after seven innings of one-run ball against the Twins on Thursday, with just one interleague start.
4.71: Buehrle's ERA after 14 starts last year -- and that included three interleague starts. So there's that.
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On one hand, I'm glad that Buehrle won't be starting this series. On the other, I'd kinda like to see how that would've turned out. I'm sure we'll get another shot at it.
Out of all the beat guys, you won't see anybody spell out A.J. Pierzynski's flaws more plainly than Brett Ballantini. Ozzie Guillen heard about Pierzynski throwing Gavin Floyd under the bus for Minnesota's five-steal night, and he wasn't having it:
"It’s not fair? When a guy steals second and third with a slide step, you have to wear it, you gotta admit you’re not throwing the ball well right now," Guillen said. "If you have to take the blame, take the blame. The people think it’s your fault, well, it’s somebody’s fault. It’s not my fault. It has to be between the pitcher and the catcher, and the pitcher went slide step twice."
Boom.
J.J. follows up by sifting through Pierzynski's caught-stealing numbers to separate the pickoffs. So he's thrown out 14.3 percent of basestealers this season, and that's with Buehrle on the mound.
He also notes that of all Pierzynski's throws that made it to second on the fly, they all ended up on the third-base side of the bag. While Cuddyer's three steals were the focal point, I thought Floyd did the best job of holding Ben Revere. He threw over to first. He used the slidestep and threw a fastball, and Revere got a pretty lousy jump. The throw was well off the bag.
Ozzie Guillen continued his work as freelance Minnesota marketer, as he downgraded the dinged-up Twins from "piranhas" to "sardines." On Twitter, Rob informs us that this would render the White Sox as plankton, except sardines don't even eat plankton - they process it through their gills. Thank you, Rob.
Guillen either has to put Adam Dunn in left, or he has to bench his best hitter in Paul Konerko. Hey, if we survived Ken Griffey Jr. in center...
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1CHF says ozzie subs Q with Dunn
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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jun 17, 2011 2:04 AM CDT reply actions
Swiss franc?
With mustard or catsup (sic)?
Beware the cure isn't worse than the disease
by Chiburb on Jun 17, 2011 5:36 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
CHF riding strong to the USD as of late
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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jun 17, 2011 7:28 AM CDT up reply actions
We made the playoffs with an outfield of Quentin, Griffey, Dye...
We need to downgrade out OF defense if we want to succeed. MOAR PIERREE!!
by Bent Over Beckham on Jun 17, 2011 3:21 AM CDT reply actions
Soooo...
Guillen could use Dunn in left field, presumably benching Pierre, but he won’t bench Pierre for Viciedo? … Guillen said their outfielders are pretty good. Maybe, but not with the bat (Quentin being the exception).
If you chase two rabbits both will escape!
Did you see JC yesterday?
A tweet that says such a series results in “coaches being fired, players being benched, and prospects named Dayan being called up.”
Since Cowley is a direct conduit to planet Guillen…Dayan might be in Chicago soon.
What?! I ain't no Professor Pickles!
Absent the rainout, this series would have also triggered a return to the gold standard and a rise in ultra-nationalist fascism.
Dodged a bullet there.
by FlyingSpaghettiMonster on Jun 17, 2011 6:38 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
AJ - weak sauce, just like his arm.
Just like the Sox v. Twain.
Sigh.
And despite his prodigious, powerful display,Battling loneliness, rage, misery
There really isn’t much else left to say.
wow 2 games and you all seem so depressed. snap out of it asshats. we'll win this series.
you know we don’t beat the twins. move on
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Thought of you when I read this. More at the link.
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by Chiburb on Jun 17, 2011 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
love some ric flair
he’s a friend of spurrier and a huge gamecock fan too. i’ve seen him struttin’ around thru tailgates drunk as shit shoutin’ “WOOOOOOOO!” repeatedly. Good stuff.
"You go up there, against a dog-ass line up AND pitcher, and you don’t do a fucking thing with it. They whip your silly, sorry, saggy ass AGAIN, and you look like fucking bottom-ass, bitch-ass chumps doing it." - 2HA
by Shoeless In SC on Jun 17, 2011 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions
some ric flair great moments 'outside' the ring
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"You go up there, against a dog-ass line up AND pitcher, and you don’t do a fucking thing with it. They whip your silly, sorry, saggy ass AGAIN, and you look like fucking bottom-ass, bitch-ass chumps doing it." - 2HA
by Shoeless In SC on Jun 17, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
MAKE IT STOP, PLEASE GOD. I BEG YOU, PLEASE, MAKE IT STOP.
AJ Pierzynski: You have to want to catch.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jun 17, 2011 10:22 AM CDT reply actions
I apologize for my half ass post yesterday
But its due to the growing frusturation of not only not winning a game against the Twins, but…
The amount of guys left on base, (Rios with 5 yesterday is crazy)
The great starting pitching being left to waste by the offense
The inept left fielder (I will not even mention his name anymore)
My question is will Viciedo really change everything all that much?
And as far as lead off, what about Morel? I know its a reach, but what do you guys think?
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honestly at this point what's it matter where they hit?
You’ve got 5-6 black holes in the lineup every day depending on whether Lillibridge plays. What does it matter how you spread out all those black holes? The Sox have three players with an wOBA over .400, one above average (.340), and the rest all either under .300 or just barely above .300, which is still poor. Two-thirds of the daily lineup is horseshit.
"You go up there, against a dog-ass line up AND pitcher, and you don’t do a fucking thing with it. They whip your silly, sorry, saggy ass AGAIN, and you look like fucking bottom-ass, bitch-ass chumps doing it." - 2HA
by Shoeless In SC on Jun 17, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
If we throw all of that out of the window..
saying we want to revert to hitting the ball out of the park rather than focus on speed, can this team get you 3-5 runs per game? Possibly.
Lillibridge can’t play everyday. I heard he was .133 in 10 consecutive games. He is great with the glove, but inconsistent at best at plate, yes?
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He K's a lot, yes.
thus he struggles with contact. However, when he does make contact good things tend to happen. He’s not embarrasingly slow, either, which is an understatement. Even if Lil Hurt only batted .225/.275/.425 He’d be an improvement over JP. Then you figure his glove is better too. He would make more outs with the bat than JP but he’d hit the friggin’ ball out of the park and score runs. His approach may be flawed for a leadoff guy, but he’d be an improvement over today’s Juan Pierre all told.
"You go up there, against a dog-ass line up AND pitcher, and you don’t do a fucking thing with it. They whip your silly, sorry, saggy ass AGAIN, and you look like fucking bottom-ass, bitch-ass chumps doing it." - 2HA
by Shoeless In SC on Jun 17, 2011 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
This is true. I think I like you theory
Can Lilli be trusted at leadoff or are we going too fast here? =)
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Seeing how major league hitting is a problem right now.
Yeah it certainly helps.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
this
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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jun 17, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Man Up!
There’s no stinkin apologies on SSS!
Rios – Meh! If we would get a timely hit 1/3 of the time we could have won a whole lot more games.
Viciedo – Yes!
Morel lead-off? Why the fuck not? Give it a shot!
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
I try to do better than that
I’m mad at myself. I let my team mates down.
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You know what,
screw you Ozzie for giving them another cutesy nickname. Do your damn job, go out and BEAT your main rival. Thanks for kinda-sorta calling out AJ, but call out the rest of your hitters. Holy Moses, this is aggrevating.
AJ Pierzynski: You have to want to catch.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jun 17, 2011 10:42 AM CDT reply actions
I am in a pissy mood today.
I tired of this crap. I’m tired of Juan leading off. I’m tired of Dayan in the minors. Im tired of the White Sox having an under .500 record vs .500 teams. It’s time. I am now officially on strike. Out.
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by Tdogg on Jun 17, 2011 10:44 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Didn't Tdogg do this last year at the EXACT same time? Start of IL play?
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jun 17, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
And the team went 25-5.
And despite his prodigious, powerful display,Battling loneliness, rage, misery
There really isn’t much else left to say.
by winningugly on Jun 17, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
last year right around this time i went on vacation
and the sox won 11 in a row or something like that.
anyone want to pay for me to take another vacation?
sunshiney craig's comment about me has had the effect of rendering me too self conscious to maintain my public exhibition of ennui.
I left for Canada - and they rattled off an 11 game winning streak.
Time for Poutine. ta ta!
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Let's be honest
Replacing Pepe Le Pew for the Dunnkey can’t be much worse defensively and is a wash if not a slight improvement offensively. Maybe E-Jax and Humber will prove to be the spark the White Sox offense needs.
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I have this horrifying vision of Ozzie playing Dunn in LF, Q! in RF and Pierre in center.
Jesus fucking Christ.
"we are going to have a skirmish" - pierzynskirules
define "easily".
barring injury that would never happen, i think. closest would be replace pierre with lillibridge.
sunshiney craig's comment about me has had the effect of rendering me too self conscious to maintain my public exhibition of ennui.
then lillibridge would be in center.
pierre has never played center field for the white sox. why would ozzie start putting him there now if there is another option?
sunshiney craig's comment about me has had the effect of rendering me too self conscious to maintain my public exhibition of ennui.
He has played Center Field in LA
There were also concerns that he would do the same when he first came here to Chicago.
i know he has played centerfield before
but if baseball-reference is correct he has not played there since 2009. i think he would only play there in an emergency. it sounds like you think otherwise. i guess we just disagree.
sunshiney craig's comment about me has had the effect of rendering me too self conscious to maintain my public exhibition of ennui.
don't tell me.
tell him.
sunshiney craig's comment about me has had the effect of rendering me too self conscious to maintain my public exhibition of ennui.
this is also the team that started Andrew Jones in center
Again, I just don’t think its out of the realm of possibilities. Not worth arguing really.
Yes, they started Andruw Jones in center.
If you think that’s objectionable (which I don’t), then you should also realize that they started him over Juan Pierre. That should tell you how Ozzie regards Juan Pierre’s defense in center field.
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by Jim Margalus on Jun 17, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
did Pierre sit in those games that Jones started, I cannot remember?
Ozzie overvalues Pierre’s bat, just don’t think its crazy to think that Ozzie would try to find a way to fit Pierre and Dunn into the same lineup.
he turned out fine
The year before he barley played for the Rangers, none in center, disappointing season with the Dodgers. Had knee problems as well. It was a risk.
the rangers had like five guys who could play a legitimately good CF in 2009.
and that’s why things like spring training exist. it may have been a risk to sign him. it wasn’t a risk to play him in CF by the time the season began. it’s obviously a risk to play pierre in CF.
I just don't think you can really guess what Ozzie would do
Especially when if he wants to fit Dunn in the lineup. He may feel that he
has to fit Pierre out there somehow to get his leadoff bat in the lineup. Its a scary thought, I hope we do not see it happen but its not out of the realm of possibilities. Guillen still doesn’t want to overexpose Lillibridge.
I see it more as Ozzie's insatiable appetite for matching handedness.
If he wants a lefty-heavy line-up, I could see him doing the insane and putting Pierre and Dunn in the same outfield.
And yes, Pierre has not played CF for the Sox. As it happens, Dunn has not played LF for the Sox. Shit changes.
"we are going to have a skirmish" - pierzynskirules
at least dunn can catch the ball when it is hit to him.
out of that five foot radius around him he’s in trouble, but within the circle he is golden.
In my town we call that type of "visions" a nightmare
If you chase two rabbits both will escape!
by JofpGallagher on Jun 17, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
In a recent article, Dunn bashed inter-league
specifically stated that DH’s “lose their mojo”, he mentioned Ortiz but you know he was discussing himself. Stick him out in left fucking field, if he feels like he is starting to get something going you have too

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