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White Sox 8, Diamondbacks 2: Humber holds 'em

PHOENIX, AZ - JUNE 19:  Starting pitcher Phil Humber #41 of the Chicago White Sox delivers a pitch in the first inning against the Arizona Diamondbacks at Chase Field on June 19, 2011 in Phoenix, Arizona.  (Photo by Norm Hall/Getty Images)

For as long as this game was a pitchers' duel, Philip Humber was up to the task.

He gave the White Sox time to get used to Josh Collmenter's unorthodox, exaggerated overhand delivery by baffling the opposition himself. Given one run in the fourth inning, Humber made it hold up the way he has all season -- by attacking the strike zone.

The Sox ushered Collmenter off the field with solo homers by Paul Konerko and Alex Rios in the seventh, and they needed no time adjusting to the Arizona bullpen. A five-run eighth gave Humber a suddenly comfortable seventh victory of the season.

Give credit to the top of the order, where Juan Pierre and Omar Vizquel worked effectively in tandem. Each time Pierre reached base, Vizquel moved him to third. Pierre scored the first run of the game by going from first to third on Vizquel's single, and scoring on an Alexei Ramirez groundout. The eighth started in similar fashion -- this time on a hit-and-run -- and the rout was on.

Star-divide

Intentionally walking Konerko, who looked exceedingly at home in Arizona, didn't help. Brent Lillibridge shot a single through the right side to score Vizquel, and Alex Rios reached when Melvin Mora couldn't come up with his hot smash (called an error -- it was a tough error).

That brought A.J. Pierzynski to the plate with the bases loaded, and he foiled another Kirk Gibson maneuver. Gibson called in LOOGY Joe Patterson for a lefty-on-lefty matchup, and the latter lefty won. Pierzynski roped his first pitch to the right-center gap to clear the bases.

The White Sox had an 8-0 lead, and that was plenty for Humber. Maybe it was too much, because he didn't look nearly as sharp after the long layoff. He gave up the only two runs of the night on three hits, and issued a four-pitch walk before Ozzie Guillen pulled him. It was his only walk of the night.

Konerko allowed the bases to be loaded when he bounced an off-balance throw to Will Ohman, his third error of the single. So Guillen went with Brian Bruney, who fell behind 3-0 to Kelly Johnson before getting an inning-ending groundout to second.

Sergio Santos pitched a 1-2-3 ninth with two strikeouts to wrap it up, and hopefully that's a sign of better things to come.

Notes:

*Adam Dunn played right field for the first time in a White Sox uniform, and escaped the game unscathed. He even made a running catch in right-center.

*Mark Teahen made a great barehanded play on a bunt.

Record: 34-38 | Box score | Play-by-play

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Are those last two notes jokes?

"Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."

by boyonthedock on Jun 19, 2011 6:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Sinestro

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Jun 19, 2011 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sit Pierre for a game

and he comes back and gets a couple of hits. A pattern? Hope Ozzie notices. Even so, most on this blog want him to sit permanently.

"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain

by phastphil on Jun 19, 2011 6:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Exceedingly at home...hilarious

I am a lutheran simpleton fuckwit - bobpuller

by Rhubarb on Jun 19, 2011 7:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Hey guys, Twins fan here

Nice win today. Always nice to see AL Central teams win in interleague. Should be a competitive rest of the season.

Good luck!

Do you want to know the terrifying truth, or do you want to see me sock a few dingers?

by natetheskate on Jun 19, 2011 7:59 PM CDT reply actions  

I just got off the phone with John Danks,

he suggests you may have suffered some sort of blunt force trauma to the head. Hmm, yep, there’s a call from Herm insisting you get a CT just in case. May have to put you on the 7 day DL, you’re clearly disoriented and not thinking straight.

by mechanical turk on Jun 19, 2011 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

pointless factoid time:

humber become the first white sox pitcher to go at least seven innings in six straight starts since garland did it seven straight in ’07.

didn’t actually ever see all that much of garland, or maybe i did and he was just forgettable, but would that be a decent comparison to humber? at least results-wise?

by craigws on Jun 19, 2011 8:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Garland's first 20 starts in 2005:

15-4, 3.09 ERA, averaging seven innings a start. That’s basically what Humber’s done, plus five starts.

Whales! Squids! Sharks! They're everywhere! Hello, I am Poseidon! Now, when people told me I was crazy that thinly sliced roast beef would be a delicious fast-food option, I knew it was the greatest idea, and you can thank me later for Arby's.

by Jim Margalus on Jun 19, 2011 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

who hasn't given Humber credit?

and if the answer comes back “you” then y’all can blow me.

He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local

by colintj on Jun 19, 2011 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

you.

sunshiney craig's comment about me has had the effect of rendering me too self conscious to maintain my public exhibition of ennui.

by BuehrleMan on Jun 19, 2011 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

you :)

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Jun 19, 2011 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

You.

"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic" - Crash Davis

by Servant2LordBeckham on Jun 19, 2011 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

So - normal.

IIRC.

And despite his prodigious, powerful display,Battling loneliness, rage, misery
There really isn’t much else left to say.

by winningugly on Jun 20, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

wasn't referring to you colin, don't worry.

just making a generalisation in that he is having a very good season without much notice from the press or media. seems like he should get some for the whole ‘comeback’ thing alone.

by craigws on Jun 19, 2011 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

well the thing is

his ERA’s fantastic so he’s not going to go unnoticed. it’s mostly that the Sox just don’t rate right now. if only they could get above .500.

He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local

by colintj on Jun 19, 2011 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

ugh for realz

He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local

by colintj on Jun 19, 2011 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

you must have missed the caller to the score a couple days ago

that said humber should be starting the all-star game.
of course the next day someone calling the score asked why konerko isn’t playing third base.

sunshiney craig's comment about me has had the effect of rendering me too self conscious to maintain my public exhibition of ennui.

by BuehrleMan on Jun 19, 2011 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

you

I'd just as soon never hear another word from that fluttering asswheel. - RWShow

by blackoutsox on Jun 19, 2011 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

this is just too easy

lol.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Jun 19, 2011 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

So what your saying is that Humber is gonna bring us to the World Series this year, right?

"That might be how you roll at Camp Anawanna, Budnick. But where I come from, we only salute Old Glory." -moroots on May 23rd

by South Side Expat on Jun 19, 2011 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's a decent comparison

The chief commonality being that they both took off when they cut their walk rates dramatically.

Where they differ is that Humber has a signature pitch. Garland never had one. He didn’t get strikeouts, and while he got a fair amount of grounders, he wasn’t a sinkerballer. So there were always people waiting for the bottom to drop out, and while he’d suffer through an annual dead-arm period, he delivered solid numbers over a lot of innings at the end of it.

Whales! Squids! Sharks! They're everywhere! Hello, I am Poseidon! Now, when people told me I was crazy that thinly sliced roast beef would be a delicious fast-food option, I knew it was the greatest idea, and you can thank me later for Arby's.

by Jim Margalus on Jun 19, 2011 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup.

Although fastball velocity became an issue, so there were concerns about how long he could hack it beyond anything peripheral-related.

Whales! Squids! Sharks! They're everywhere! Hello, I am Poseidon! Now, when people told me I was crazy that thinly sliced roast beef would be a delicious fast-food option, I knew it was the greatest idea, and you can thank me later for Arby's.

by Jim Margalus on Jun 19, 2011 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wasn't aware that he got hosed.

He was good. He gave up a lot of hits, but he held runners and fielded his position well. He did everything he could with his skill set. Very nice career.

Whales! Squids! Sharks! They're everywhere! Hello, I am Poseidon! Now, when people told me I was crazy that thinly sliced roast beef would be a delicious fast-food option, I knew it was the greatest idea, and you can thank me later for Arby's.

by Jim Margalus on Jun 19, 2011 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

And all it took

To get him was Matt Karchner. One of the more lopsided trades in the White Sox favor. FNS

by southsideirish on Jun 19, 2011 10:08 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

who speaks ill of Garland?

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Jun 19, 2011 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

wasn't his ERA for the Sox like 4.50?

He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local

by colintj on Jun 19, 2011 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

4.36 as a full-time starter.

106 ERA+.

Whales! Squids! Sharks! They're everywhere! Hello, I am Poseidon! Now, when people told me I was crazy that thinly sliced roast beef would be a delicious fast-food option, I knew it was the greatest idea, and you can thank me later for Arby's.

by Jim Margalus on Jun 19, 2011 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

a tick above average in the Cell?

so like a 3 win pitcher? that sounds about right.

He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local

by colintj on Jun 19, 2011 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

doesnt era+ take the cell out of the equation though?

I'd just as soon never hear another word from that fluttering asswheel. - RWShow

by blackoutsox on Jun 19, 2011 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

i remember hearing that ERA+ is a crappy stat

but i don’t remember why it’s not just the pitcher version of OPS+. if it is that and i’m not remembering properly, then yeah it would be park corrected.

He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local

by colintj on Jun 19, 2011 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

another quick question for a debate with a cubs fan

do you value WAR or era+ more? and which overall pitching stat do you like best for team comparsions?

I'd just as soon never hear another word from that fluttering asswheel. - RWShow

by blackoutsox on Jun 19, 2011 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

if you're talking about 6+ seasons, plain ol' ERA is fine iirc

i use a modified WAR usually though. take a normal FIP WAR that fangraphs uses and then adjust for whether or not you think he’s a good or bad BABIP guy and whether or not he’s a good or bad groundballer. xFIP can help you there, but it uses fly balls rather than ground balls. and there are real stringer issues determining what’s a fly and what’s a line drive.

you can’t be that exact until the sample size really gets going, so the things i care about are strikeouts, walks and grounders.

He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local

by colintj on Jun 19, 2011 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't use era and win because of the cell obviously but thanks

for the other info!

I'd just as soon never hear another word from that fluttering asswheel. - RWShow

by blackoutsox on Jun 19, 2011 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

but he didn't care.

you could tell by looking at him.

sunshiney craig's comment about me has had the effect of rendering me too self conscious to maintain my public exhibition of ennui.

by BuehrleMan on Jun 19, 2011 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup. Californitis.

Whales! Squids! Sharks! They're everywhere! Hello, I am Poseidon! Now, when people told me I was crazy that thinly sliced roast beef would be a delicious fast-food option, I knew it was the greatest idea, and you can thank me later for Arby's.

by Jim Margalus on Jun 19, 2011 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

hater.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Jun 19, 2011 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Humber has one 6-inning start in Oakland on May 13 keeping that streak from reaching 10 today.

And what’s funny, Humber started the 7th inning that day having allowed zero runs over just 69 pitches. But that’s the one game where I distinctly remember Humber being the kind of lucky those suggest when they cite his season BABIP and HR/FB. The A’s lined out hard those first six innings because Phil left everything up. His fastball locations that day:

by 3E8 on Jun 19, 2011 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah didn't have good command that game

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Jun 19, 2011 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

So, what are the chances we lose Joey Cora......

McKeon is 80 years old and has been named manager of the Marlins…that’s got to be temporary. Is anybody here believe Cora could be a candidate?… I mean he was rumored to be on the Mariners list, and on the Brewers…Maybe Marlins now?
I am of course speculating a lot here…. nothing to base on.

If you chase two rabbits both will escape!

by JofpGallagher on Jun 19, 2011 9:55 PM CDT reply actions  

he's 80 who knows what his brains are made of now

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Jun 19, 2011 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

your only requirement is to blow it against us

I'd just as soon never hear another word from that fluttering asswheel. - RWShow

by blackoutsox on Jun 19, 2011 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

In the local paper here Ozzie is mentioned as someone

they should “take a run at” this offseason.

(KenWo perks up.)

And despite his prodigious, powerful display,Battling loneliness, rage, misery
There really isn’t much else left to say.

by winningugly on Jun 20, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

At this point I am truly Humbered

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Jun 19, 2011 10:05 PM CDT reply actions  

thats pr bad

But, like, who cares right? Sack up and such. ~ colintj

by e-gus on Jun 19, 2011 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

no its not

i would never say that

Just second best.....

by pierzynskirules on Jun 20, 2011 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

more importantly

why did i not get a badge for granderson?!?! i have gameday open and he hit a triple. his badge says triple. BS.

sunshiney craig's comment about me has had the effect of rendering me too self conscious to maintain my public exhibition of ennui.

by BuehrleMan on Jun 19, 2011 10:11 PM CDT reply actions  

fuck bud selig.

sunshiney craig's comment about me has had the effect of rendering me too self conscious to maintain my public exhibition of ennui.

by BuehrleMan on Jun 19, 2011 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

at first i read this as communist selig

I'd just as soon never hear another word from that fluttering asswheel. - RWShow

by blackoutsox on Jun 19, 2011 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

*
Moreland: I’m just a humble motherfucker with a big-ass dick.
Freamon: You give yourself too much credit.
Moreland: Okay then. I ain’t that humble.

Easy chief
We’re a community - Tdogg

by Jack M on Jun 20, 2011 9:41 AM CDT reply actions  

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