Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Devils Beat Rangers, Head To Stanley Cup Finals

10 oblique thoughts about John Danks on the DL

John Danks headed to the disabled list for the first time in his career, and instead of trying to piece together one straight-line column, I'd rather spill out my thoughts and let you arrange them however you like. Be forewarned - some include a few attempts to account for the possibility of future events based on current events, recent performances and the larger context of decision-making around Major League Baseball.

In other words, CONSPIRACY THEORIES!

[insert Scooby Doo ghost sound here]

No. 1: Strained obliques are tricky. Danks' strain is described as "mild," but so was Mark Teahen's. He left a game early on May 11, and didn't return until June 7. There are probably different mechanics involved, but still, he missed about a solid month of action. So while some are saying he might miss just one start (which is impossible), I'd figure for at least three or four. The All-Star break will help a little.

No. 2: The White Sox will be without their best starter, at least their best June one:

  1. John Danks: 3-0, 1.14 ERA
  2. Phil Humber: 3-1, 2.48  ERA
  3. Edwin Jackson: 0-1, 2.81 ERA
  4. Mark Buehrle: 2-1, 3.20 ERA
  5. Gavin Floyd: 1-2, 5.96 ERA

Star-divide

No. 3: Not included is Jake Peavy, because he hasn't been a regular starter this month. But Danks' injury now means that Peavy will have to be reliable for the next month, which means the Sox shouldn't make rash decisions like allowing Peavy to make his next scheduled start after throwing four innings of relief after Danks exited the game with his oblique injury.

Since he's been burned 83 previous times, Ozzie Guillen won't let Peavy sway his initial decision-making.

CHICAGO -- Jake Peavy has convinced the White Sox that he will be ready to return to his regular spot in the rotation on Thursday.

Peavy made his last start on Wednesday, throwing 104 pitches, then turned around Saturday and threw 55 more pitches in relief after John Danks left early with an injury.

"He talked to us this morning and said he wanted to pitch that day; he’s ready to pitch that day," manager Ozzie Guillen said. "When the pitcher says he wants it and doesn’t want to change anything, I’m going to give it to him."

I'm sorry, "won't" should read "absolutely will," because both Peavy and the White Sox are set on ruining any chance to let fans start enjoying their coexistence. We get it. Peavy's a bulldog, blah blah blah...

No. 4: This just in - Peavy is in fact not a bulldog. Our Brian Bruney reports:

Bruney extends a tired comparison to its logical end: "Peavy is like a vicious pit bull--he barks, the rest of us just growl."less than a minute ago via TweetDeck Favorite Retweet Reply

 

... and both often have to be put down because they can't control their instincts.

No. 5: Back to Danks, this won't help him in his attempt to mask his 0-8 start, but if he can make it to 175-180 innings with his usual level of performance the rest of the way, it really shouldn't hurt his arbitration case much. He was on track to make $8.25 million or thereabouts in his final year of arbitration. He still might make it, but even if he doesn't, he'll still be ahead of Gavin Floyd, who will make $7 million at the same stage in his career next year. So it still paid for Danks to avoid signing the extension Floyd did.

No. 6: I do wonder if this will make Danks more reluctant to agree to an extension (if, you know, Jordan Danks' progress isn't the primary catalyst in his decision-making process). He had already battled the worst stretch of his post-rookie career, and now he has his first-ever DL stint going against him. If he doesn't come back with a vengeance, I wonder if he'll just wait for a year.

No. 7: Mark Buehrle signed away his first free-agent year during the then-worst period of his career, but it seems like Buehrle is wired differently.

No. 8: It might behoove Danks to watch Edwin Jackson in the winter. Danks has been the superior pitcher over their respective careers, and he should be well aware of it. If Scott Boras can find that one team to outbid for Jackson by $10 million among a free agent pool that's short on top-flight pitching, I wonder if Danks will look at any Sox offer and think, "I can do better than this." Danks used to have Boras as his agent -- he and his brother both dumped him after the Sox drafted Jordan so he could sign with the Sox with only a limited hassle -- but he might still have those high expectations for his earning potential.

No. 9: In the interim, it's a good time for Floyd to get his act together. His regularly scheduled disheartening month is taking place two months later than usual, and he's had problems with the big inning.

No. 10: I thought that Floyd might be better off with Ramon Castro catching him, because in terms of baserunners, the numbers are favorable:

  • With Castro: Five starts, three steals.
  • With Pierzynski: 11 starts, 13 steals.

But Floyd has a 3.66 ERA in the games Pierzynski starts, and a 5.70 ERA when Castro is behind the plate. Sample size, I know, but I thought there might have been a shortcut for slight improvement buried in his numbers. Like everything else this season, easy answers are in short supply.

Comment 42 comments  |  4 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

Pos on Dunn:

You could argue — what the heck I will argue — that Adam Dunn in 2011 is the single least enjoyable player to watch in baseball history. He still has a half season to go and in that half season he could turn things around, whack a few home runs, lead the White Sox on a bit of a charge, it’s not impossible, not even wildly improbable. He’s hit 38-plus homers every single year since 2004. But watching him the first half season has been so dreary, so depressing, that after seeing him play a couple of games in a row I feel like I need a shot of Vitamin D or a vacation to someplace sunny.

More (link) at FanShot (RR)

Beware the cure isn't worse than the disease

by Chiburb on Jun 27, 2011 3:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Pity

Clearly Danks should have been taken out of the rotation (remember that folks) after his bad month and then he never would have hurt himself.

2. Phil Humber: 3-1, 2.48 ERA

I admit it. I’m still shocked as hell.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Jun 27, 2011 3:14 PM CDT reply actions  

I mentioned this over the weekend

I can’t help it. I like the guy. Yeah the act can get old but I love the fact that he wants tostomp somebody in the nuts if he has a chance. I still have hope this guy comes up big when the team really needs him.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Jun 27, 2011 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

if he goes the rest of the season without picking up another injury,

then i’ll be comfortable with him having that attitude.
i feel like he has to earn it all over again, often it doesn’t seem he has any notion of changing because of his injuries.
p’haps it is better for him that he doesn’t acknowledge his own weaknesses, maybe he can only be as good as he is by going full-tilt all the time. he certainly fits their marketing strategy this year.

by craigws on Jun 27, 2011 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

good read, thanks

"I wonder if converting Peavy to a closer role would be best? Help keep him healthy and help solidify the pen a bit." - Bent Over Beckham

by BoeJouma on Jun 27, 2011 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

How many homeruns you think he will have at seasons end?

you drinking this crystal light? I can’t wait for the Dunn debates in the offseason around here. Gonna be tedious as hell.

by Rhubarb on Jun 27, 2011 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

irrelevant.

the end of the world has been rescheduled for October. Didn’t you get that memo?

"You go up there, against a dog-ass line up AND pitcher, and you don’t do a fucking thing with it. They whip your silly, sorry, saggy ass AGAIN, and you look like fucking bottom-ass, bitch-ass chumps doing it." - 2HA

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 27, 2011 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

i said 26-30

ive been a believer the whole year, and will continue to be

"I wonder if converting Peavy to a closer role would be best? Help keep him healthy and help solidify the pen a bit." - Bent Over Beckham

by BoeJouma on Jun 27, 2011 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

at this point, the low end of your projection is a very good half, and the high end is awesome.

so while that would be great, i’d settle for 20+ right now.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Jun 27, 2011 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's what i opted for, though it is more out of hope than belief.

it is such a bizarre drop-off. i can’t believe he has aged so badly over the off-season. has to be something else. cascade failure again.

by craigws on Jun 27, 2011 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

You should stop blindly defending Dunn

Lest you lose all credibility. Maybe if you stop making excuses for him, he will start to hit the ball.

by Rhubarb on Jun 27, 2011 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

i thought about penning a 'is dunn's contract the worst in white sox history' story after livan proved to be too much.

seems to be a popular topic all of a sudden.

joe pos, neyer, fangraphs

if he gets 20 Id be ecstatic.

"A lot of misinformation," the source said.

by e-gus on Jun 27, 2011 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Looking at Dunn's numbers, I'd have one suggestion.

He’s getting more fastballs than he ever has before, at the expense of all other pitches.
I think he should sit on fastball and take everything else.
He’s swinging at more out of the zone than he used to, so maybe that will help on two fronts:
Less chasing offspeed stuff, more hitting the pitch he’s seeing most.

But I’m digging for an answer here. This is really baffling.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Jun 27, 2011 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

He can't catch up to it.

He sees it the most because he can’t hit it. Most of his k’s occur on the outside half but so do most of his hits. He isn’t squaring up on the inside stuff as effectively as he has in the past and I think that is the main difference. Also he is swinging at more balls than he had in the previous 4 years. About 10% more. He is pressing and can’t get around on the inside fastball.

by Rhubarb on Jun 27, 2011 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't believe anybody's contract will ever be worse than Jaime Navarro's

Even though it was 5 mil a year for 3 years, Alex Fernandez was probably one of the better starters on the market, and got 5 years at 7 per. Navarro was disliked walking in the door, and I swear he didn’t put 2 good starts back to back until his 3rd year.

sideways smiley face

by TasteeFreeze on Jun 27, 2011 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'm not blindly defending him.

he fucking sucks right now. what i am defending him from is the ’he’s put on weight’, ‘he should work out in the off-season’, ‘we should never have signed him in the first place’, ’he’s a fucking thief’, ‘he could never hit lefties’ bollocks.
my faith in him becoming the player he was before this nightmare is dwindling, but all of that stuff is bullshit regardless.

by craigws on Jun 27, 2011 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

All of that stuff may be either true or false

or partially true. That is why humans have opinions because there is no concrete answer to some things. You have been tirelessly going after Dunn detractors since the beginning of the season. When will you stop caring?

by Rhubarb on Jun 27, 2011 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

bear with me...

Green = 1
Orange = 2
Yellow = 3
Red = 4

Right?

"You go up there, against a dog-ass line up AND pitcher, and you don’t do a fucking thing with it. They whip your silly, sorry, saggy ass AGAIN, and you look like fucking bottom-ass, bitch-ass chumps doing it." - 2HA

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 28, 2011 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

the babip may say bad luck

i’m not buying it. the ole eye test says when he actually does make contact, he’s hitting a lot of popups. if he was hitting the ball hard consistently he’d eventually have a streak and he might even enjoy some good luck. outside of that catch by bernadina, dunn doesn’t seem terribly unlucky, he’s just sucked.

by moroots on Jun 27, 2011 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah. I'm not sure what to think.

Right now he is worse than Rob Deer. I am through hoping for a breakthrough.

by Rhubarb on Jun 27, 2011 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Peavy's always has struck me as Favreish

Nowhere near as bad as "The Warrior… but the accent, repeated mention of how tough he is and talking about only wanting to do what is best “for the boys” just add up for me. I like him overall and I really hope he stays healthy. Why the Sox let him basically do whatever he wants is beyond me. They must realize how important it is to keep him healthy… at least I hope they do.

by 815Sox on Jun 27, 2011 11:55 PM CDT reply actions  

KZone Heat Maps for Dunn -- this year and since 2007


STRIKEOUTS – 100
Swinging 72 (72%)
Looking 28 (28%)
Out of Strike Zone 46 (46%)
In Strike Zone 54 (54%)
Swinging Out of Strike Zone 38 (38%)
Looking In Strike Zone 20 (20%)
Swinging In Strike Zone 34 (34%)
Looking Out of Strike Zone 8 (8%)


STRIKEOUTS – 811
Swinging 597 (74%)
Looking 214 (26%)
Out of Strike Zone 384 (47%)
In Strike Zone 427 (53%)
Swinging Out of Strike Zone 340 (42%)
Looking In Strike Zone 170 (21%)
Swinging In Strike Zone 257 (32%)
Looking Out of Strike Zone 44 (5%)

by Rhubarb on Jun 28, 2011 8:29 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

i blame the umpires.

those percentages are virtually identical. the two biggest differences are that this year he is striking out fewer times when swinging at pitches outside the strike zone and he is getting rung up 60% more often when taking a third strike that is out of the strike zone.

sunshiney craig's comment about me has had the effect of rendering me too self conscious to maintain my public exhibition of ennui.

by BuehrleMan on Jun 28, 2011 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

i didn't even know i had an MO.

but i guess being right is a good one to have.

sunshiney craig's comment about me has had the effect of rendering me too self conscious to maintain my public exhibition of ennui.

by BuehrleMan on Jun 28, 2011 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

i know what you meant. it was a humor joke.

and i don’t hate umpires, i just think some of them are incompetent. also, and this isn’t their fault, it seems that they could be aided by technology more than they currently are.

sunshiney craig's comment about me has had the effect of rendering me too self conscious to maintain my public exhibition of ennui.

by BuehrleMan on Jun 28, 2011 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Those shoes look like they're on the wrong feet

Maybe the dude needs a Sharpie to write R and L on his shoes. Then the hits will come.

sideways smiley face

by TasteeFreeze on Jun 28, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bill James Baseball IQ - iPhone App.

I meant to write a review on here but I can say that I don’t use it everyday but i can tell you it has been worth the 15 bucks it cost and will probably continue to add enjoyment in the years ahead. Their stats are updated daily. The charts it has are: Hit Locator, Hit Zone, K Zone, Discipline, Pitch Locator, Pitch Profile, Batter Comparison and Match-Ups. You can choose a whole team, a ceratin batter, a certain pitcher…you can choose from this season, from last season and this season or from 2007 to current.

by Rhubarb on Jun 28, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to South Side Sox! Please check our new standards and guide to FanPosts/FanShots before posting.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Archerme_small
The Padded Cell: Wait of the World (part 2 of 2)
61y5zkwuutl__sl500__small
The Ballad of bobpuller
Archerme_small
The Padded Cell: Wait of the World (part 1 of 2)
Tedlangue_small
RRRR: Facebook and socialization
Deadhorse_small
White Sox Minor League Update

Recent FanPosts

144560_royals_white_sox_baseball_small
Photo Dump
Ronkarkovice_small
Don't Stop Now Boys: Sox Double up the Tribe 14-7
Small
Reliever-to-Starter Conversions Update
Small
Is Nate Jones for Real?*
Pair-rose-colored__szo0279_small
A Quarter for your thoughts?

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

FanShots

Quick hits of video, photos, quotes, chats, links and lists that you find around the web.

Recent FanShots

Shamelessly Linking My Review of Rick Morrissey's Ozzie Guillen Book
White Sox offer free tickets to CPD officers
A true hitting guru can fix anything
Tweet from Jake Peavy
The White Sox's Black Hole Problem, And Other Observations From A Day Game
Get to the choppa!
Dan Rubenstein heads to Columbus, Ohio to meet Hall of Fame legends Ricky Henderson, Frank Thomas,...
Sox Are Shiftless MFers!
Jake Peavy, AL Pitcher of the Month for the April, is back to 2007 form. While outperforming his preseason projections, is he really up there with the best in baseball? Short answer: yes.

See full post on Beyond the Box Score
A 2 part podcast with Oney Guillen (Ozzie's Son)

+ New FanShot All FanShots >

Yahoo_full_count

Managing Editor

Tedlangue_small Jim Margalus

Editors

Deadhorse_small larry

Sealab_murphy_small colintj

Img_2130_small homesickalien

Omar_small U-God

Authors

10083hb_small KenWo4LiFe

Archerme_small Uribe Down