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A.J. isn't armed

If A.J. Pierzynski is going to blame Gavin Floyd for his problems with throwing out baserunners, then he should be sending bottles of wine to Mark Buehrle and John Danks on a weekly basis. They're making Pierzynski look better than Floyd is making him look worse.

According to the official caught-stealing rate, Pierzynski has thrown out 18 percent of basestealers. But that number is misleading for a big reason: It includes the CSes that result from pickoffs. Pierzynski has nothing to do with the action when Buehrle or Danks catchers a runner going on first movement, but he gets credit for it anyway.

Fortunately, Baseball-Reference.com keeps track of the times a catcher actually has to throw. It's buried in the fielding stats, but it's a stat called CSCatch (thanks to J.J. for helping me find it), and it captures only the CSes that included an assist for the catcher. So, in Pierzynski's case, it eliminates five pickoffs, as well as when he tagged out Coco Crisp on his straight-steal attempt of home (pictured above).

So when you take out the pickoffs and only focus on the times Pierzynski's arm was tested, his success rate comes out looking worse. Way worse. Like, worse by almost half.

Specifically, 9.68 percent. That's 56 steals against six assists over 67 starts.

And at that rate and frequency, Pierzynski is finding himself in historically bad territory.

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I spent the off night combing through the last 20 1/2 years of catcher stats to find out which guys were most exploited by other teams. I picked 1990 because it's a nice round number, and Rickey Henderson's numbers had declined into normal league-leading levels. By and large, I don't think the game has looked much different.

I first sorted by the number of steals allowed, compared it to the catcher's total starts, and then looked at the caught-stealing percentage to make sure . I took the regular starters and put them onto a sheet, and came up with 59 catchers who were run upon mercilessly over this time period.

The results don't include all weak-armed catchers or all their years. For instance, Mike Piazza is all over this list, but in some seasons, he wasn't especially tested. The cutoff ended up being at least one steal attempt per start.

Of these 59 catchers, only four other catchers failed to throw out even 10 percent of baserunners when actually forced to throw. The list:

GS SB CS CSC CS% CSC% SPG
Josh Bard, 2007 103 121 10 8 7.63 6.20 1.27
Mike Stanley, 1996 98 94 19 8 16.81 7.84 1.15
Scott Hatteberg, 2001 65 115 12 10 9.45 8.00 1.95
Jason Varitek, 2009 106 108 16 10 12.90 8.47 1.17
A.J. Pierzynski 2011 62 56 12 6 17.65 9.68 1.10

(CSC = CSCatch | CSC% = CSCatch percentage | SPG = Steals per game)

Even though he's at the bottom of this chart, Pierzynski still stands out for a few reasons: 1) He's on pace to start more than 120 games behind the plate, 2) he's also expected to be the full-time starter next year, and 3) three of the five White Sox starters did a nice job of holding runners last season. Yes, even Floyd.

The other four catchers on this list didn't see nearly as much action the following year -- if any -- and in some cases, their respective starters already had reputations of being easy to run on.

2007 Josh Bard: Bard had a weak throwing arm, and two of the San Diego's starting pitchers were horrible at holding runners - Greg Maddux (37-for-39) neglected baserunners for most of his Hall of Fame career, and Chris Young (44-for-44!) couldn't exactly get his 6-foot-10-inch frame to the plate in a hurry. Having Bard behind the plate merely exacerbated the issues. Teams averaged 1.27 steals per game against Bard, which is the third-highest among this group since 2000.

What happened after: Bard was forced into backup duty the following season, but popped up as Washington's starting catcher in 2009. The Nationals pitching staff hid him well enough -- He allowed 43 steals in 59 attempts over 71 starts, but he threw out only seven runners. He's in Triple-A this season.

1996 Mike Stanley: When you're looking at Red Sox catchers, the first thing you have to account for is Tim Wakefield. Sure enough, Stanley caught him 25 times, and Wakefield allowed 30 of 31 runners to steal successfully overall. But the 33-year-old Stanley couldn't blame the knuckleball alone, because the other three full-season starters, Roger Clemens, Tom Gordon and Aaron Sele, all had noticeably worse years holding runners. In particular, Sele went from allowing 19 steals in 27 attempts in Boston, to allowing four in 12 attempts the next season in Seattle.

What happened after: Stanley was forced to move to first after that. He started only nine games behind the plate in 1997, and never caught in either of his last two seasons.

2001 Scott Hatteberg: Hatteberg is the only catcher on this list that caught fewer than 78 games. I normally wouldn't have included him, but he's a very, very special case, because he simply couldn't hack it. Sure, Wakefield was there (17-for-19), but he wasn't the main problem. Look no further than Hideo Nomo:

  • 2000: 16 steals in 30 attempts with Detroit.
  • 2001: 52 steals in 63 attempts with Boston.
  • 2002: 28 steals in 38 attempts with Los Angeles.

What happened after: Hatteberg became immortalized for his inability to catch. The following year, Brad Pitt forced him to become a pickin' machine at first base, as noted in Billy Beane's book.

2009 Jason Varitek: Varitek is kind of similar to Pierzynski in terms of his throwing arm, but add a few years to it. Varitek was 37 years old in 2009, and the Red Sox were leaning on him too heavily. Wakefield has zero impact here because Varitek never catches him, but Josh Beckett and Brad Penny have never held runners too well, and Varitek just made things worse. The Red Sox traded for Victor Martinez at the deadline that season, and he took playing time away from Varitek over the last two months.

What happened after: Varitek was relegated to backup duty behind Martinez in 2010, and has split time with Jarrod Saltalamacchia in 2011, although Saltalamacchia is on the verge of becoming the everyday catcher after a slow start.

Star-divide

It's quite apparent that Pierzynski's throws have lost most of their zip. Joe Garagiola liked to say that the wind always seemed to blow against a catcher when he's running. For Pierzynski, he's throwing into a stiff breeze, too. I thought I saw one of his throws stop for gas at the mound once.

It's hard to watch, but if you're looking for silver lining, I can offer a couple notes of encouragement.

At the plate, Pierzynski has raised his triple-slash line to .296/.332/.393, thanks to a torrid June (.358/.394/.522). That puts him significantly ahead of the league average for catchers (.235/.304/.376), which makes his defensive struggles easier to swallow.

Plus, this isn't exactly uncharted territory. Earlier in his career, Pierzynski was only able to thwart 10.3 percent of the attempted steals that weren't the result of a pickoff. The year was 2008, and Pierzynski didn't stop the Sox from making the playoffs.

Opposing managers might be noticing him more now -- they attempted just under one steal per game in 2008 -- but as long as Pierzynski can keep providing above-average offense at the position for a lion's share of the starts, the Sox can live with his arm for now.

And when his salary triples in 2012 to go along with his 10-and-5 rights, the Sox will have to live with it, regardless of how he hits.

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And if you're curious, here's the spreadsheet with all 59 catchers. Let me know if my methodology is off.

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This is definitely a statistic that is overlooked

What about % of stolen base successes that score? If they steal but don’t score it doesn’t really matter. If they steal and score then it hurts us.

by striker on Jun 28, 2011 7:22 AM CDT reply actions  

yeah, but you're trying to throw the runner out. it doesn't matter what happens later.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Jun 28, 2011 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Where have I seen this comment before???

Oh right, it is under “Insightful” in the dictionary

by joewho112 on Jun 28, 2011 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

And what insight would that give us?

"You go up there, against a dog-ass line up AND pitcher, and you don’t do a fucking thing with it. They whip your silly, sorry, saggy ass AGAIN, and you look like fucking bottom-ass, bitch-ass chumps doing it." - 2HA

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 28, 2011 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

The pitchers' (in)ability to work around it.

Whales! Squids! Sharks! They're everywhere! Hello, I am Poseidon! Now, when people told me I was crazy that thinly sliced roast beef would be a delicious fast-food option, I knew it was the greatest idea, and you can thank me later for Arby's.

by Jim Margalus on Jun 28, 2011 9:16 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I suppose.

But there are other factors at play once a runner is in scoring position. To truly eliminate all those other factors the pitcher would have to get a strikeout. And if your pitcher is more of a contact guy then trying to strike someone out might lead to disastrous results. Once a runner is in scoring position then plain old luck, hitter’s ability, fielder’s ability, and game situation would all affect the outcome. The pitcher having to control all of those things is asking a bit much, imo.

"You go up there, against a dog-ass line up AND pitcher, and you don’t do a fucking thing with it. They whip your silly, sorry, saggy ass AGAIN, and you look like fucking bottom-ass, bitch-ass chumps doing it." - 2HA

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 28, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

unless your standard is Greg Maddux.

"You go up there, against a dog-ass line up AND pitcher, and you don’t do a fucking thing with it. They whip your silly, sorry, saggy ass AGAIN, and you look like fucking bottom-ass, bitch-ass chumps doing it." - 2HA

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 28, 2011 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't agree here

and agree with MM. It doesn’t matter what happens later, because you missed an opportunity to get an out. I mean, can pitchers really be standard deviations better at ‘working around it’? It’s a discrete event. The runner is on second instead of first. I just feel that over time, the man scoring would average out to the RE of the situation (34% runner on 2nd, 2 out, as opposed to 23% runner on 1st, 2 out). It’s not like how the man got there influences future events of hitting.

Greg Maddux might be allowed to ignore runners (in his mind, he started sucking when concentrating on holding them) but that’s because he was Cy Young caliber in other facets.

LeBron James: Which of His Blessings would you deny?

by ProfessorEmmer on Jun 28, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

heh, two weeks ago "he's actually thrown out a few runners" was one of winningugly's points in a debate we had about A.J.

He has been good at the plate lately, though. Definitely a big relief considering the way last year went.

a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee

by big_fun on Jun 28, 2011 8:53 AM CDT reply actions  

his bat has been huge considering the rest of the lineup.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Jun 28, 2011 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

no doubt about it.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Jun 28, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe he should DH

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Jun 28, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

He had thrown out "a few".

Specifically, 2 in one game. Imagine what the numbers would look like without that game.

by winningugly on Jun 28, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Buerhle and Crain being the exceptions

our pitching staff sucks at holding runners. Base runners get such an incredible jump off our pitchers that AJ good have a shoulder mounted missile launcher of an arm and they still would be safe. Even so, AJ’s arm sucks and is getting worst with age.

"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain

by phastphil on Jun 28, 2011 9:04 AM CDT reply actions  

duh

could have not “good have”

"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain

by phastphil on Jun 28, 2011 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting to see some good analysis on catcher defense this season.

THT also has a solid piece that’s probably been posted here on framing pitches:

Part 1
Part 2

I’m still interested in analysis of pitch selection, but I haven’t bothered to put all the work into doing it right. Maybe someone else will, since Mauer just got called out for pitch selection recently. I have a feeling it doesn’t matter anywhere near as much as pitcher ability, but then I didn’t think framing pitches would matter either and it turns out that can be huge.

by mechanical turk on Jun 28, 2011 10:03 AM CDT reply actions  

*chuckle*

"That might be how you roll at Camp Anawanna, Budnick. But where I come from, we only salute Old Glory." -moroots on May 23rd

by South Side Expat on Jun 28, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh?

I look forward to your insights.

AJ Pierzynski: You have to want to catch.

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jun 28, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Looking at the June batting numbers I couldn't help but laugh

The obp numbers for

Pierre .267
Morel .279
Vizquel .278

Yet they are now consistently batting 1st and 2nd in the lineup.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Jun 28, 2011 10:24 AM CDT reply actions  

We all know that OBP takes a back seat to bat-handling

Apparently.

I wish the AL would outlaw bunting, which would remove on silly justification for stacking these guys at the top of the lineup…..

by hitlesswonder on Jun 28, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah talking heads can rail till they are blue in the face

about the lack of production in clutch situations (yes it does suck). It still pales in comparison to the lack of base runners. The list of AL teams they beat in team OBP include the A’s, Seattle, Baltimore and Minnesota. We all know what those team have in common. They offensively suck. Konerko’s and to an extent Q’s season is amazing considering that .

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Jun 28, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kenny needs to grow a fucking pair, pull Ozzie aside and say, "Enough.

Enough of your silliness with Pierre, enough of your loyalty to Omar. Here is your new left fielder – he is to play everyday, and if I see Juan Pierre in anything larger than a damn pinch-running role, you’re a dead man."

AJ Pierzynski: You have to want to catch.

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jun 28, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

You know how Ozzie is

The only way of keeping him from putting a player in the lineup is by making a personnel move

by moroots on Jun 28, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

silly 2HA.

everyone knows viciedo won’t be a finished product until july.

by larry on Jun 28, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's the article that drove me to post this comment.

This whole back and forth between these two little girls must stop. Great, they aren’t actively fighting anymore, but the passive-aggressive b.s. is tiresome and IMO, really bad for the ball club (beyond just 2011). Clearly, Ozzie is never going to change but I would have hoped Kenny knows better and is more willing (as the organizational higher-up) to take charge/be an adult. Silly me, indeed.

AJ Pierzynski: You have to want to catch.

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jun 28, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

if you believe us that service time is a concern

one should probably just smile at the stuff that’s coming from the white sox regarding viciedo.

by larry on Jun 28, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I do believe that service time is the primary issue,

but the back and forth between them is childish.

AJ Pierzynski: You have to want to catch.

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jun 28, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

which is why you smile at it.

that, and the fact that no reporter seems to ask the obvious follow-up: what exactly does viciedo need to do to become a finished product. that’s where the real fun answers began, as shown by brian sabean.

by larry on Jun 28, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Viciedo needs to improve his bat handling

When you’re not a power hitter, you need to be able to move runners over.

by hitlesswonder on Jun 28, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh boy:
I don’t believe there can be a player acquired who has the ability that we have in our clubhouse

"You go up there, against a dog-ass line up AND pitcher, and you don’t do a fucking thing with it. They whip your silly, sorry, saggy ass AGAIN, and you look like fucking bottom-ass, bitch-ass chumps doing it." - 2HA

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 28, 2011 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

MLB fires back:

To judge in objection to backruptcy filing:

"In pursuing his own financial interests at the expense of the club, over-leveraging it and draining millions of dollars for capital investment and operations, Mr. McCourt has placed the [Dodgers] in their current, incredible position of not being able to make payroll less than halfway through the regular season … Having siphoned off well over $100 million of club revenues and obviously unable to distinguish between his personal interests and those of the club, Frank McCourt has driven the Dodgers into a liquidity crisis so severe that, absent extraordinary measures, the club would be unable to make its payroll. Mr. McCourt attempted to use that looming disaster to leverage [MLB] into approving the sale of the club’s broadcast rights to pay current expenses and to permit millions more to be misappropriated for personal use."

Beware the cure isn't worse than the disease

by Chiburb on Jun 28, 2011 12:53 PM CDT reply actions  

And it continues:
The league says its proposed $150 million bankruptcy loan would save the Dodgers up to $4.5 million and cuts the interest rate by 3% from what it calls "excessive fees and interest" being charged by the hedge fund, a unit of J.P. Morgan’s Highbridge Capital Management.
The league also called into question whether the Dodgers even properly filed for Chapter 11 and whether McCourt should be permitted to retain control of the team while it’s under bankruptcy court protection. Baseball had named a monitor to over day-to-day operations of the club in April amid concerns over team finances and security at Dodger Stadium.

http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2011/06/28/baseball-pushes-dodgers-for-cheaper-bankruptcy-loan/?mod=yahoo_hs

Wall Street. Always there to lend a hand. For an arm and a leg.

by winningugly on Jun 28, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whenever I see a headline about the McCourts

I instinctively think about the dude who wrote Angela’s Ashes and think, if you let a homeless Irish widow control a baseball team, no shit bad things are going to happen.

by Sox-35th on Jun 28, 2011 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

ha!

He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local

by colintj on Jun 28, 2011 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

the only way i can justify that contract they gave him

is if him being here influenced Konerko to come back in some way.

"A lot of misinformation," the source said.

by e-gus on Jun 28, 2011 2:54 PM CDT reply actions  

You are a horrible, horrible man.

Go change the kid. Do something constructive.

by winningugly on Jun 28, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

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