The Best Thing About Baseball
The video says nothing. I don't feel slower. I'm still seeing the ball...
At this point we all know the story. Model of consistency collapses completely. Everyone wants to know what the problem is. We've heard various A Scout Says stories about how it's not his mechanics. Dunn and Greg Walker don't seem to really know either, at least according to reports. If his performance against his old club is any indicator, it's just suck and more suck and suck forever more. Feels that way, right?
What's all the more worrisome is how incredibly rare this is. Eric Seidman went looking for comparables dating back to 1950. Of all full time players with 3 consecutive seasons with power like Dunn's, just 34 have experienced similar drop-offs. He found that most of the players in question were at the end of their careers or struggling through some injury. Dunn is only 31 years old. No matter what you think of the Old Player Skills Theory, none of it suggests a decline of this nature. For instance, Dan Szymborski's projection system, ZiPS, uses comparable players to create player-specific aging curves. ZiPS projected Dunn home runs in 2011? One short of 40.
In other words, now is the time on Sprockets when we exonerate Kenny Williams. If you're blaming KW for this, you're just a crazy person.*
So no one saw this coming and suckage of this magnitude is almost totally without precedent. How can we explain it? Me being me, I'm going to keep looking at more numbers. For example, his contact rate is more or less what it was last year. To repeat: when he swings, he's making contact at about the same rate as in 2010. In fact, it's all of 2% better this year than last. Just to make sure there wasn't anything really aberrant in the fangraphs numbers, I checked with Texas Leaguers. From 2008-2010, he whiffed on 29% of swings. In 2011, it's 31%. And yet he's gone from K'ing about a third of his plate appearances to well over 40%.
He's not whiffing any more than usual. He's just doing it with two strikes far more often. To me, that says one of two things: it's bad luck or bad planning. A note on the former: however improbable it may seem, it's entirely possible to keep rolling snake eyes again and again. It's always good to get a reminder than human beings have a specific idea of what true randomness is...and it's not true randomness. We can be fooled, says Nicholas Nassim Taleb.
But the thing is, Adam Dunn is a human being, very probably with the same idea of what true randomness looks like. On August 6, 2010 Dunn hit two of his signature monster home runs and took two walks. Over the next three games he got 12 at bats, had no hits, no walks and struck out 8 times. That's just baseball. Sometimes it's heads, sometimes it's tails. Sometimes you're on, some you're off. As Manny Trillo put it:
The best thing about baseball is that you can do something about yesterday tomorrow.
But again, that's not true randomness. Human beings love to underestimate the chance of low probability events.
Incidentally, Manny was a lifetime .345 slugger in 17 seasons. The worse your day is going, the more you can hear a tired sarcasm in his voice. As in, there's always tomorrow ready to pound your head in just like yesterday. As in, there's always tomorrow...until there isn't. You don't feel different. But the ball's waiting for you at second after a good break on a righty with no move.
...Am I just telling myself what I need to hear?
So yeah, between a truly pure strain of sustained randomness and the difference between good and bad in this game, at some point it starts to interact with the psyche. When it goes from ignorable to unavoidable. You can only go so long before you're turning on yourself. And we've seen Dunn do that. The way his head hangs and his shoulders slump after yet another third strike that he saw and just swung through but swung through differently all of a sudden since he seemingly can't not swing through. And he shuffles off to the dugout to wait for the chance to do it all over again.
This kind of randomness is going to affect a player's mental state. And while it's exceedingly rare, we know that players do just unravel. That's Blass Disease in a nutshell. But the fact is that in the long history of baseball, what we know is that players get worse and get better over the course of years. And the ones who've demonstrated their abilities eventually get back on track. There are always aberrations. As fans, we're always deciding whether or not they're aberrations and whether our hero will get off the mat or that they've finally found their kryptonite. Me, I've seen this before.
From the beginning of the season in 2007 to July 6, Jermaine Dye hit .214/.271/.402. For the next year and a half, he hit .293/.351/.552.
From the beginning of the season in 2003 to July 10, Paul Konerko hit .183/.258/.274. For the next year and a half, he hit .279/.357/.530.
Y'all remember that aforementioned study by Eric Seidman? Did you notice that he went hunting for whole seasons? His methodology was to find 3 good seasons with a bunch of plate appearances and then to find a bad whole season following it. Not half. Whole.
And more or less the guys he found were washed up or injured. Because while slumps can be very long indeed, it's also incredibly rare that they truly last a whole season. A slump that goes a whole season means injury or age are interfering, or both.
What would he have come up with if he went looking for half seasons? What if instead of really really good power hitters, it was just regular old power hitters? All of a sudden more examples are popping up. Examples of guys who go on to have careers. I bet if you went hunting for bad half seasons, you'd find a ton. As for guys who were magically washed up at mid-career, who can you think of? Ben Grieve is the only guy I can name.
Say what you want about extenuating circumstances and the various differences between the players in question. Find any two examples and there's going to be something that sticks out. Something that lets us say This Time Is Different. Except it's just not. We're not working with a singular example for whom history just does not apply. Adam's just a human being doing it a little bit differently because he's a little bit different than the guys who came before him.
And I'm not just saying that. I went back and looked. I watched every plate appearance from the Nats series, usually more than once. Then I went back and watched a bunch of games where Dunn struggled in 2010 and did the same. This is not scientific, strictly speaking. It doesn't meet the qualifications for double blind. And it's true that I'm not a pro scout. I would love it for those who can to go back to the tape and tell me what they see. In any case, here's the play-by-play, in the order I watched them:
- 6/26 - Livan Herndandez - Slider in for a ball, then change up in the dirt. Slider in catches the inside corner, called strike. Then backdoor curve that's probably off the plate but he gets a strike anyway. Fastball in gets murdered…but foul. 2-2. Then fastball up and in for a called strike 3. According to brooks, also fairly questionable. K.
- 6/26 - Livan Hernandez - Slider in, swung through. Can't check on the cutter too far in. 0-2. Fastball up and out, not really close. Fastball up and in, also not really close, 2-2. Fastball, up and in, not a strike and Dunn swings through it. Pitch trax doesn't show a single pitch in the zone. K.
- 6/26 - Livan Hernandez - Cutter in, swung through. Backdoor curve misses. Curve in taken for a strike, 1-2. Fastball up and out, fouled straight back. Fastball up and out, taken, 2-2. Pitch trax shows only the curve in as a strike. Fastball in, murdered…but foul. Another fastball in murdered but foul. Curve away, ball 3. Slider in, swung through for strike 3. K.
- 6/26 - Sean Burnett (LHP) - Catcher sets up low and away but fastball is up and splits the plate for called strike one. Fastball right there splits the plate at mid-thigh. 0-2. Checks on the fastball way low, 1-2. Shanks a fastball much like the 2nd pitch oppo. Gets the whiff on a fastball way inside, K.
- 6/25 - Tom Gorzelanny (LHP) - Fastball away on the corner, swung through. Slider down and away called strike 2. Leaves a fastball just off the corner alone for a ball. Then fastball up just off the edge swung through for the K.
- 6/25 - Tom Gorzelanny (LHP) - Fastball in for a strike, taken. Fastball down and in misses, 1-1. Slider middle in hammered foul, 1-2. Fastball in and off the plate, chipped foul. Slider bounced, 2-2. Fastball off the corner by a hair, 3-2. Fastball middle of the plate and up but in the zone swung through, K.
- 6/25 - Tom Gorzelanny (LHP) - Curve down splits the plate for a strike. Slider low and away for a ball. Fastball well inside, swung through, 1-2. Fastball away and off the plate. Fastball away on the plate swung through, K.
- 6/25 - Henry Rodriguez - Wild pitch fastball, 1-0. 91 mph change off the corner, 2-0. Another change, this time down but on the plate and Dunn swings over the top. Fastball down and in, 3-1, followed by a fastball on the edge for a second strike. Bounces a 92 mph change for ball four, BB.
- 6/24 - Jordan Zimmerman - Fastball up and in for a ball. Second fastball hits the up and in spot for a strike and Dunn swings through. Curve dropped in at the top of the zone, strike two. Fastball well up, 2-2. Slider misses way in and low. Slider this time hits the spot, Dunn looks like he checks, tosses his bat to take his walk and the umpire rings him up, K.
- 6/24 - Jordan Zimmerman - Fastball off the plate away for ball 1. Fastball up and in on the plate and Dunn swings through. Backdoor curve misses, 2-1. Fastball up and in also off the plate. Fastball right there and Dunn fouls it straight back. Hard slider finds a spot down and in. Dunn whiffs, K.
- 6/24 - Jordan Zimmerman - Fastball up and over the plate, taken for strike 1. Fastball in but on the plate, just above the knee and Dunn mashes it. It's going over the fence until Roger Bernadina decides it isn't. F8.
- 6/24 - Sean Burnett (LHP) - Loopy slider in there for a strike. Fastball in but on the edge also called a strike. Slider low and away just above the dirt for a ball, 1-2. Fastball middle in, thigh high and Dunn fouls it straight back. Fastball down and in, off the plate, 2-2. Fastball a little closer this time, but more or less same spot. Full count slider away and Dunn reaches and chops foul. Fastball away, Dunn reaches and grounds hard to the 2B playing on the grass in the shift. 4-3.
- 6/24 - Todd Coffey - 94 mph fastball center cut roped for a double between the line and the right fielder. 2B.
- 6/24 - Tyler Clippard - Fastball up and away but on the edge for a strike. Slider upstairs, 1-1. Fastball way up, Dunn checks but get called on a swing, 1-2. Fastball up and in misses and evens the count. Fastball belt high and inside off the plate fouled straight back. Change up away but just on the plate tipped straight back. Fastball waist high just a bit off the plate inside and again fouled straight back. Change up away rolled over. 4-3.
- 6/24 - Collin Balester - Fastball rides well off the plate for a ball. Another fastball down and away but on the plate chopped foul. Curve up and away taken for a strike. Another curve at the bottom of the zone, this time hammered for a single. 1B.
- 8/17/10 - Mike Minor (LHP) - Fastball inside, mid-thigh, taken for a strike. Fastball away at the knees right on the corner, 0-2. Fastball up over the middle of the plate but well out of the zone, whiff for strike 3. K.
- 8/17/10 - Mike Minor (LHP) - Fastball up in the zone and splits the plate, but fouled straight back. Fastball up and in at the letters for a ball, 1-1. Fastball low and on the outer third called for a strike. Fastball up, away and out of the zone for the whiff. K.
- 8/17/10 - Mike Minor (LHP) - Change over the heart of the plate for a strike. Another change looking to nick the corner low and in misses, 1-1. Fastball out over the plate and up, whiff. Fastball low and in off the plate, 2-2. Fastball low and away out of the zone and Dunn reaches to chop out. 3U.
- 8/17/10 - Takashi Saito - Fastball out under the numbers gets a whiff. Fastball in under the numbers get another whiff, 0-2. Fastball away well off the plate for a ball. Splitter dives down and in for the 3rd whiff of the AB. K.
- 8/18/10 - Tim Hudson - Fastball low and too far in. Slider in belt high gets a whiff, 1-1. Fastball away induces a bouncer. 3U.
- 8/18/10 - Tim Hudson - Fastball low and away on the corner, strike. Slider up and in misses in. Backdoor slider grabs the plate, 1-2. Fastball well in, thigh high that Rob Dibble for some reason can't believe isn't a strike even though the pitch trax says the opposite. Slider down and in gets him. K.
- 8/18/10 - Tim Hudson - Fastball away off the plate. Fastball away, but not the plate and rolled over. 4U-3 DP.
- 8/18/10 - Billy Wagner (LHP) - Curve at the belt and a bit in for strike 1. Fastball more or less center-cut and thigh high fouled back for strike 2. Fastball up and out off the plate and then another fastball up and off the plate. Same spot a little more on the plate and Dunn swings through it. K.
- 8/7/10 - Hiroki Kuroda - Fastball away but in the zone and then a splitter just off the dirt for a whiff. Finished off with yet another split for a second swing and miss.
- 8/7/10 - Hiroki Kuroda - Slider above the knee splits the plate and earns a whiff. Fastball up and in but in the zone fouled straight back. Splitter bounces, 1-2. Fastball middle of the plate but under the letters also fouled straight back. Split away misses, 2-2. Split away fouled off. Finally finds his spot with it down in the zone and Dunn swings over the top.
- 8/7/10 - Hiroki Kuroda - Fastball way down. Fastball low and away probably in the zone rolled over. 4-3.
- 8/7/10 - Hong-Chi Kuo (LHP) - 3 big heaters up and in. First one whiff, second foul, third pop out. PU5.
- 8/8/10 - Ted Lily (LHP) - Fastball inside off the plate for a ball, then another, 2-0. Third of the same gets Dunn swinging and missing. Fourth finally catches the plate and Dunn fouls it off. Fifth is over the plate but up and Dunn chases. K.
- 8/8/10 - Ted Lily (LHP) - Slider low and away is too low. Fastball in more or less the same spot but a little up finds the zone, 1-1. Change up in the zone, very hittable, but fouled lazily back out of play. Curve nicks the inside corner for the punch out looking. K.
- 8/8/10 - Ted Lily (LHP) - Fastball away at the knees is there for a strike. Change a bit lower gets a weak swing and miss, 0-2. Fastball up and out misses. Fastball in off the plate fouled away. Curve low and away and Dunn just gets a piece, 1-2. Fastball up and in, maybe a strike gets a pop up. PU6.
- 8/8/10 - Octavio Dotel - Fastball up and in for a strike, then a fastball up and away, also strike, 0-2. Curve in the dirt and Dunn checks. Fastball down and in gets a swing over the top. K.
*There're pills for pretty much everything these days. See Globochem for details.
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Leave Adam Alone!!!!!!

AJ Pierzynski: You have to want to catch.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jun 30, 2011 9:37 AM CDT reply actions
You're lucky he performs for you bastards!!
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by TasteeFreeze on Jun 30, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
My attention span is such that I hadn't even finished the first paragraph before I realized it was far too lengthy to read.
I was joking, so who is the jag now? I read the whole thing twice.
also you butcher my pet meme, it’s ‘one’ scout said.
now i feel like the time Liz Lemon was expecting Oprah
but instead got a spunky little tween.
He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local
nice
I think this is the new definitive “whats wrong with Dunn” article. There’s still no answer of course… This whole saga would be fascinating if it wasnt costing my team wins.
Thanks.
I shant be misled a second time
Should be required reading for fans and beat reporters.
Beware the cure isn't worse than the disease
by Chiburb on Jun 30, 2011 10:02 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
as i read through his nats at bats
it seems like he’s not making pitchers pay for their mistakes, especially if it happens early in the count, and that could have something to do with trying to see more pitches.
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
Quick question: What are the requirements to have this front-paged at SBNChicago?
Who makes those decisions?
Beware the cure isn't worse than the disease
i thought they could only pull from the sss RR though, not FP stuff
"A lot of misinformation," the source said.
Fanastic piece.
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Sigh.
The pit in his stomach grows larger and deeper, reaching a place he didn’t know existed. He never had to feel this pain. Never thought he would. But it’s there. He can’t shake it. He’s tried everything. Can’t do it.
He steps into the batters box. He looks at the pitcher, another faceless person salivating at the chance to strike him out. That’s the thing about baseball. Pitchers know when you’re struggling. They don’t have to read about it in the newspaper or on the stat sheet.
They can see it. They can sense it. They can smell it.
And then it begins.
Strike one.
Strike two.
Strike three.
Yer out!
Dunn walks back to the dugout and he hears it.
Cascading down from the 500 level, erupting from the first and third base sides, even roaring from the fancy luxury suites, they come from everywhere:
The boos.
All directed at one man.
Him.
Beware the cure isn't worse than the disease
This will all serve as a great prelude to the fantastic second half
followed by a Hollywood ending playoff performance by Dunn.
A guy can dream.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
garfein should never write
dude has no idea what the fuck a paragraph is
"I wonder if converting Peavy to a closer role would be best? Help keep him healthy and help solidify the pen a bit." - Bent Over Beckham
tremendous.
maybe i’m just looking for excuses but my eyes have been telling me for a while that dunn has been at least a little unlucky, meaning it seems like he has seen more than his share of a combination of borderline calls go against him and pitchers absolutely acing him.
sunshiney craig's comment about me has had the effect of rendering me too self conscious to maintain my public exhibition of ennui.
whatever.
sunshiney craig's comment about me has had the effect of rendering me too self conscious to maintain my public exhibition of ennui.
Even sigher:
You said it right Chuck
4:55 pm Jun 29, 2011
The Press doesn’t pay to see the mess on the field. Only FANS do. How come football and basketball players get boo all the time? Yet still perform? Why are baseball players ego’s so fragile? The only thing Dunn can hit with his bat is a dozen donuts.
Posted by CHESSFU at 4:55 pm Jun 29, 2011
Beware the cure isn't worse than the disease
Right now at a Sox game ...
the only entertainment you can have watching Dunn at bat is to boo him. On the other hand, although they are adding to the stress of the situation now, I think if this guy hits out a few of those boston cremes and long johns, the fans are going to forgive and forget this 80 game slump in a week.
by Billy Charlesbois on Jun 30, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Does booing someone make you feel better about yourself or entertain you?
If you answer in the affirmative you are a very little man.
1995 was a very frustrating year as a Sox fan
We expected a repeat of 1994 after the strike, but didn’t get it. Julio Franco jumped ship, so we picked up Chris Sabo, who wasn’t Julio Franco.
There was a game I attended, where we just couldn’t get it going. I think it was a 7-5 loss against the Royals, the Sox just couldn’t tie it, kept running into stupid outs, and stuff. And the Royals didn’t want to win, either. It seemed like errors, and mistakes kept going both ways.
Finally, during what passed for a rally, then, Chris Sabo was on 2nd, and somebody singled. The 3rd base coach held up Sabo, and everybody booed out of absolute frustration. The scoreboard video rotation then displayed the applause meter, at which point, everybody started booing and screaming expletives as loud as they could.
Never saw a video get pulled so fast.
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by TasteeFreeze on Jun 30, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I typically stick to booing the other team ...
but when hometown fans are booing their own, it can create an extra dramatic element to a game. It’s not like they are booing him because they don’t like him as a person. Its because he struck out again with two men on. They are just people drinking at a ballgame after all, it’s like they are the Phelps family outside a military funeral.
by Billy Charlesbois on Jun 30, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
So you're saying that it's like booing death at a funeral?
I think it may have something to do with the fact that the batter makes more in a year than most fans will make in a lifetime. So if you’re going to make 15 million, I’m going to scream like the crazy mid-level manager at work does.
Shit rolls downhill.
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by TasteeFreeze on Jun 30, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Whoopsie Daisy
That was a typo: i meant to say it wasn’t like they were doing that. I’m with you.
by Billy Charlesbois on Jun 30, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Booing is an expression of frustration
Kind of like, yelling at the TV. “C’mon, you MF, hit the f*cking ball for once, why doncha?” It’s a silly, vicarious thing to do, watching a baseball game, and getting so invested that we would jump up and scream at the top of our voices when something good happens, so what’s the big deal when people would bark out when they’re frustrated?
I understand the argument that it doesn’t help Dunn. Apparently, neither does patiently waiting. Seriously, if the guy’s worth his 15 million, nothing should help or hurt his ability to pull his shit together, and start hitting. He’s paid to concentrate. He’s paid to judge situations, predict a pitch sequence, adjust, and hit ball with bat. If booing really gets to him, he’s not doing his job.
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by TasteeFreeze on Jun 30, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Allow me to unfairly characterize your comment
“If me be an asshole bothers him, it’s his fault”
Still means you are being an asshole.
No one is defending the players right to let booing get to him. We are criticizing people who garner entertainment/enjoyment/whatever from making other people feel bad when they already probably feel really shitty.
you got bullied in high school didnt you.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
by KenWo4LiFe on Jun 30, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Nope, we had a pretty chill high school
I was also friends when a bunch of football players so that probably helped.
But seriously, who gives a shit how Dunn feels?
He took a job where he will get booed when he slumps. That is part of the game. It’s nice to empathize with the individual players, but I believe it’s generally understood that getting booed during slumps is something that comes with being paid 15 million a year for 4 years guaranteed to be an athletic entertainer.
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by TasteeFreeze on Jun 30, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I tried not booing once and Dunn did NOT thank me for not being an asshole.
That asshole.
Beware the cure isn't worse than the disease
Well
probably White Sox fans should, because feeling good is probably better for performance than feeling bad…
Maybe I can show up at his house on an off day and rub Dunn's feet
maybe that will help him feel better and come out of his slump.
If I shell out $400 to go see the Stones, I’m not going to worry that Mick Jagger saw somebody wearing an Aerosmith t-shirt in the front row, became sad, and mumbled and sulked through the entire show. He’s paid to perform.
Maybe fans should hope that when a player swings and misses 3 times, they should give him another half a dozen chances to hit the ball, because swinging and missing might make Dunn feel bad, and then perform worse.
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by TasteeFreeze on Jun 30, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
if you try to play a guitar that you already know how to play
you’ll play it until a string breaks. try hitting a baseball.
He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local
Are you under the impression that bands don't perform better when they have a good crowd that is into the show?
Because I found the opposite. I am sure Mick Jagger would give a pretty terrible show if the crowd just stood there and booed.
You are correct.
But if the Stones decided to just sleep walk through a set because they weren’t being cheered properly, I think they might eventually get booed, or word might get around that the Stones aren’t as reliable a live show as they are.
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by TasteeFreeze on Jun 30, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I find it annoying when Dunn wears a cordless headset mike at bat
and screams out “Helloooo Chicagooooo!!!!” after the first pitch. Maybe the banter with the crowd takes his focus off of his batting.
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by TasteeFreeze on Jun 30, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know this KenWo
I’m trying to draw lines in the sand here and see how the factions are shaping up.
I guess I am, a little.
Instead of having children run the bases after a game, when Dunn strikes out, they should allow all the children in the stands to come on the field and hug him, and cheer him up with their giggling. Then he can eat ice cream with them, and about 45 minutes later, the game could start back up.
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by TasteeFreeze on Jun 30, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I feel like if I am booing, I am only doing it because other people are,
Otherwise, if something horrible happened I would probably just comment to the person sitting behind me. I always like talking to the person behind me at ball games for some reason.
I boo people who turn around to talk to me
Why dont you talk to the person in front of you? Because they aren’t your captive based on the fact that you aren’t in their line of sight?
Leave me alone! BOOOOOOOO straight up right in your face!
:), wait, I mean :(, no, its >:o
I shant be misled a second time
By turning around to talk it is an excuse to stretch your core, plus for reasons you mention they have no choice but to acknowledge your existence
The people in front of me already hate me for the peanut shells and spilt beer.
maybe that goes for the 100 level
you pull that stuff in the 500 level you’re liable to get yourself shanked
oh stop it besides the sox/cubs games
there are many more morons where we sat for the methup than in the 500 level. its not even close.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
I forgot about the section turfs in the upper deck prision
Last time I was up there favors cost about 6 boxes of cigarettes.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
by Tdogg on Jun 30, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
one of the better parts about the Cell
is that there is always someone who wants to chat with you.
He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local
It's not the same though. Not at all.
Yelling at the TV or swearing out loud at the ballpark in frustration is an impulsive reaction.
Continuing to boo a guy as he walks back to the dugout is not an impulse. You are purposely insulting the guy.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
no its not.
I impulsively boo when he strikes out and impulsively cheer when he hits a home run
I'd just as soon never hear another word from that fluttering asswheel. - RWShow
when you are watching a game at home...
and he strikes out do you literally yell “booooooo!” at the TV? Because I’d like to see that. That’d be pretty funny.
"You go up there, against a dog-ass line up AND pitcher, and you don’t do a fucking thing with it. They whip your silly, sorry, saggy ass AGAIN, and you look like fucking bottom-ass, bitch-ass chumps doing it." - 2HA
by Shoeless In SC on Jun 30, 2011 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe once or twice
I'd just as soon never hear another word from that fluttering asswheel. - RWShow
it's just me alone in my apt and I'm booing out loud at the TV just to see what it's like.
I think I look and sound ridiculous and I don’t feel any better for doing so.
"You go up there, against a dog-ass line up AND pitcher, and you don’t do a fucking thing with it. They whip your silly, sorry, saggy ass AGAIN, and you look like fucking bottom-ass, bitch-ass chumps doing it." - 2HA
by Shoeless In SC on Jun 30, 2011 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions
you look ridiculous no matter what youre doing.
i look cool booing the tv. :)
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
some people are just naturals, what can ya say? :)
"You go up there, against a dog-ass line up AND pitcher, and you don’t do a fucking thing with it. They whip your silly, sorry, saggy ass AGAIN, and you look like fucking bottom-ass, bitch-ass chumps doing it." - 2HA
by Shoeless In SC on Jun 30, 2011 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I seriously don't understand
why anyone would think that how much a person makes means that booing shouldn’t affect them.
rich people don't give a shit what poor people say.
by larry on Jun 30, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
that's what you get for undertaking a modern Catholic
monarchy a la Louis XIV in a vast majority Protestant country with a long standing emphasis on civil liberties.
He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local
by colintj on Jun 30, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
the poor bastard,
whenever he had a bath his servants carried his used towels out above their heads. above their heads because he had touched them and so they were divine.
that’s gonna fuck with a guy’s head. almost as much as an axe, but not quite.
Yes you do understand.
Dunn is an entertainer, at the very core of it. He’s paid to perform in front of tens of thousands of emotional fans.
The fact that 43,000 screaming fans just happen to be there that night isn’t some incidental coincidence that nobody foresaw.
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by TasteeFreeze on Jun 30, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I am not so much worried about Dunn's psyche
than the annoyance of the boo’s. I am seriously embarrassed for people who boo. I suppose it is cathartic to certain types but it really doesn’t do anything productive. I am not trying to convince you to my side either, this is my opinion.
I share your opinion that it's unproductive, and assholic
But it’s an expected part of the game, and Dunn is paid quite nicely to not let it affect him.
I don’t go to the game believing that my actions affect anything that happens on the field. Maybe that’s how fans come to believe that Dunn’s slumping because the fans are doing their part, he’s just not playing hard enough.
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by TasteeFreeze on Jun 30, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree with the fact he isn't playing hard enough
perhaps he is not preparing well enough or taking the right steps to improve his play but how can you play hard as a DH? You make your muscles go through short bursts and depending on whether you succeed or fail you either head toward first or toward the dugout.
I'm not saying I believe he's not playing hard enough
I’m saying that maybe fans who believe their actions at the game have any effect on the outcome are probably believe that players slump because they’re lazy.
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by TasteeFreeze on Jun 30, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
people are emotionally invested in this stuff
its why we are all on this message board.
i react to the game in front of me, sometimes its with a boo or a “You fucking suck!” when they let me down.
this whole idea of not booing reeks of everyone gets a participation trophy. No sir, I dont like it.
"A lot of misinformation," the source said.
by e-gus on Jun 30, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm with you Gus
I’m not going to advocate booing. But I understand.
It’s kind of like when Chris Rock said. “I don’t think you should choke your wife, but I understand.”
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
well right
it’s not like i don’t get the emotion. i’m advocating being the kind of human being who thinks before they act. the kind of booing that’s going on right now is pretty clearly not the gut-reaction booing kind.
He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local
Oh, if Dunn strikes out for the 4th time in a game I attend
and the crowd starts booing, I will think about it, and then join right in, all the way into the tunnel to the club house.
I don’t stand up and vomit into the crowd. I don’t pour drinks on people around me. I don’t pontificate about the game, and I don’t yell that Ozzie’s a jerk every 15 seconds for 8 innings.
If Dunn can’t take it, maybe he should get a job at my office where I am never unfairly criticized for the work I do, even when I have things going on in my life, like a family illness, or plumbing problems or whatever. Hey wait, I am!
sideways smiley face
by TasteeFreeze on Jun 30, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I support the booing of pro sports commissioners.
Players, not so much. At least put forth some effort and tell Dunn with that kind of swing he should try cricket.
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 30, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
"Cricket?! Nobody understands cricket. You gotta know what a crumpet is to understand cricket."
He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local
I got on this blog to try to figure out
what the difference between velocity and speed is.
"That might be how you roll at Camp Anawanna, Budnick. But where I come from, we only salute Old Glory." -moroots on May 23rd
by South Side Expat on Jun 30, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
how'd that work out for ya?
"You go up there, against a dog-ass line up AND pitcher, and you don’t do a fucking thing with it. They whip your silly, sorry, saggy ass AGAIN, and you look like fucking bottom-ass, bitch-ass chumps doing it." - 2HA
by Shoeless In SC on Jun 30, 2011 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
you've seen that thread haven't you?
I'd just as soon never hear another word from that fluttering asswheel. - RWShow
Man I was there for that shit.
I lurked more back in those days.
"You go up there, against a dog-ass line up AND pitcher, and you don’t do a fucking thing with it. They whip your silly, sorry, saggy ass AGAIN, and you look like fucking bottom-ass, bitch-ass chumps doing it." - 2HA
by Shoeless In SC on Jun 30, 2011 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
this, re:annoyance of the boo's
I’ve never boo’d a player or an umpire or a call, I dont think (maybe in drunk, mob-rule mode long ago, but not knowingly boo’d). I reserve and exercise my right to boo fans though. I’ve boo’d:
- fan dropping the easy foul ball
- fan not giving a caught foul ball to a kid
- fan wearing the wrong colors when shown on the scoreboard
- I’ve never seen this in person, but I would boo a fan throwing a HR ball back on the field
- fan who’s a two-fisted slopper or clearly ruining the experience
- Ashley Judd once at a Kentucky-Marquette basketball game
- fan who always yells “top me off” to the beer vendor with the wearable keg
- chick who turns down the marriage proposal at a game
I shant be misled a second time
by Nordhagen on Jun 30, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't blame the chick
doing it at a sports game is retarted. don’t make it public
I'd just as soon never hear another word from that fluttering asswheel. - RWShow
Although "doing it" at a game is pretty cool.
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by TasteeFreeze on Jun 30, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
which is why effort is the whole point.
not actual performance.
He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local
he's also paid to perform in 100 degree weather; after his grandfather dies; while he has nagging injuries...
these are all foreseeable. doesn’t mean they do not affect performance.
by larry on Jun 30, 2011 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Booing your own team adds a "extra dramatic element"?
I have never noticed anything like that and I have been to plenty of sporting events…
what's entertaining about booing?
if i’m right, there’s no real difference here.
He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local
I know some people really hate booing for some reason ...
and I have a bad rep at the Hawks board for defending the boo birds (and for other reasons). Besides the fact that it can be obnoxious and rude, what exactly is so bad about booing that nobody should ever do it? Why shouldn’t the fans give their opinion of the product?
by Billy Charlesbois on Jun 30, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
You want the product to be at it's best, no?
I think most of us agree, baseball is a game that requires great focus and concentration to perform well, and the more confident a person is, the more they can focus on whatever it is they are doing.
So how does booing my own player help my own cause? What benefit do I get from it? If the guy is trying hard and acknowledges that he’s playing poorly, what exactly does booing accomplish, but possibly lower his confidence even more? Even if this is a very small possibility, it’s still a possibility that I think most of us can accept as real.
It seems to me that it is in my best interest for the guys that play on the team I root for, to be in the best state of mind possible.
This isn’t football or even basketball where anger gets you anywhere. You can’t just try harder in baseball. It’s not like a running back trying to break a tackle, or a line backer trying to get through a block. Or even hockey where you can run someone over. This is a game that requires pin point precision to accomplish your goals. I don’t see how booing a guy trying his hardest to do his job is going to help with that.
If you want to boo, you have that right, I just don’t understand the point. I wouldn’t boo a guy disarming a bomb, I’m not going to boo a guy trying to hit a 95 mph fastball.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
If you can't disarm a bomb
while someone is booing you, then you shouldn’t be disarming a bomb.
:-)
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
by Tdogg on Jun 30, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not paying $100 for a night at the ballpark
so I can help a team win. I’m there to be entertained. Dude makes 15 million a year, partially financed by taxes on travellers, and at the detriment of other community things so that people can show up to the ballpark, and get the vicarious thrill of gambling their time on an outcome of a ballgame.
Fan reaction is part of the package Dunn signed up for when he grabbed that 60 million contract, or whatever it was. Take care of me forever, and make the next 2 generations of my family completely sufficient, and you can boo me for days on end.
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by TasteeFreeze on Jun 30, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I get no entertainment from booing my own team.
I’d be more entertained if Adam Dunn is in a good state of mind so the next time he bats he performs as well as he can.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I have this weird feeling that we're all being obstinately naive
The point of a sports event is for the hosting team to make money off of fans’ emotional attachment to their team. Sometimes that includes people expressing their frustration with a player who is slumping.
I’m not arguing that people who boo are a valuable part of the game and should be commended for trying to create an environment where a player will be scared to not try, and will automatically concentrate more, and be better.
People who boo a player walking back to the dugout are mean.
sideways smiley face
by TasteeFreeze on Jun 30, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Then why don't you cheer him while I boo him?
This would cancel my boo and help him with his self esteem and future performance. Better yet, write him a letter and tell him what a good player he is, how important he is and to keep his chin up.
When
you have 25000 people booing you when you fail at something in which you are trying your hardest and have worked your whole life at, I don’t think you are thinking, “It’s ok, I’m rich.”
No you think
“Tomorrow you will wake up to your sorry ass lives”
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
by Tdogg on Jun 30, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
FLJ
"he's a fan favorite because the combined fanbases of the other 29 teams dwarf ours and they love him" billyok, on Pierre
by homesickalien on Jun 30, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
So my King James reference works.
by winningugly on Jun 30, 2011 1:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
so why aren't you booing every time he fails to hit a home run as far as he can?
He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local
i've already said my piece on this
but basically, i hate that conception of fandom. it’s Broken Toy Syndrome. it’s spoiled and hypocritical. when everything is going great, you love the game for the sake of the game. when things are shitty, you can’t believe you’re spending 50 bucks or whatever? if you’re worried about someone playing like crap, don’t go. it’s still baseball played by the best players in the world and as long as they’re giving their best effort, the nature of the game means that Adam Dunn, one of the most consistent producers in baseball, can go through a mind-melting slump with seemingly no cause. either you get baseball or you don’t . love it for what it is, not what your ticket stub says it’s worth.
the grass is green and whatever the weather is like makes the whole thing more special. if it’s 40 and windy, you wrap up in your blanket of pull your hands into your jacket and pull the collar up. if it’s 90 and humid, you get the extra beer and the extra sunscreen and the game goes on. players owe their best effort and that’s it.
seriously, what’s better in the world than sitting down with friends and family and watching a baseball game?
He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local
by colintj on Jun 30, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Sex
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
by Tdogg on Jun 30, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Well then go back to South Side Sex and leave us alone.
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by mikecws91 on Jun 30, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I have typed that in by accident many times
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Does the sound of movie explosions on Wacker Dr help or hurt that?
Either way, Mrs Wo4LiFe is a lucky lady
it was like fireworks going off brother.
outstanding.
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WTF is lucky about 25 seconds?
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
by Tdogg on Jun 30, 2011 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i can bang during commercial breaks and get back to watching the game when its over without missing a pitch :)
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Unless it's a WGN game.
"That might be how you roll at Camp Anawanna, Budnick. But where I come from, we only salute Old Glory." -moroots on May 23rd
by South Side Expat on Jun 30, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think it's pretty clear why she's lucky.
Beware the cure isn't worse than the disease
by Chiburb on Jun 30, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
magnificent
"You go up there, against a dog-ass line up AND pitcher, and you don’t do a fucking thing with it. They whip your silly, sorry, saggy ass AGAIN, and you look like fucking bottom-ass, bitch-ass chumps doing it." - 2HA
by Shoeless In SC on Jun 30, 2011 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions
evolutionarily speaking.
get in, get out get on to the next one.
He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local
whatever you do under the blanket is your own business.
and if you’re the Costanza sort, the kind who takes two good things and makes one great thing, the more power to you.
He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local
I am a fan of the team. The players come and go, great ones and hacks.
If the sox lose 20 fucking games in a row, I’m watching the next day and pulling for them to win. If there is a cocksucker in the lineup that is contributing to that 20 game losing streak, I’m going to let him and his stupid fucking manager and GM know that I don’t like it. I suppose I could go home and write a polite letter to the editor but Ozzie and KW say they don’t read the papers. They do attend the games though and if enough of us assholes are voting with our participation in the game, things tend to happen.
so you're going to waste 200 dollars
to yell nasty things to people who make determinations about what to do based on their revenues. gotcha.
He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local
No, you don't gotcha.
I’ll boo because decisions were made beyond my control that cause my team to underperform. I could give a fuck less about my 200 dollars because that’s what I choose to do with it and how much money the player makes no difference whether I boo or not. I bood (this can’t be a word?) the decision to play Brian Anderson and Jerry Owens just as vigorously as I boo Dunn.
It probably is in WWF.
"That might be how you roll at Camp Anawanna, Budnick. But where I come from, we only salute Old Glory." -moroots on May 23rd
by South Side Expat on Jun 30, 2011 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
This is great.
Only thing I hate (and I know logistics) is its so on top of Jim’s piece. Both could fill a day of discussion and then there is the day game.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
I'll probably bump one above the gamethread after the game.
But since Dunn starts today after two days off, and they’ll no longer be at the halfway point, it’s a jam-packed morning.
The Sox are jerks for playing a day game.
Whales! Squids! Sharks! They're everywhere! Hello, I am Poseidon! Now, when people told me I was crazy that thinly sliced roast beef would be a delicious fast-food option, I knew it was the greatest idea, and you can thank me later for Arby's.
by Jim Margalus on Jun 30, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
pierre lf, vizquel 3b, dunn 1b, rios cf, teahen rf, ramirez ss, castro c, beckham 2b, peavy p
whoasauce
"I wonder if converting Peavy to a closer role would be best? Help keep him healthy and help solidify the pen a bit." - Bent Over Beckham
All 3 big bats out of the line up, plus AJ.. interesting.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 30, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
all three big bats out of the lineup plus aj?
so morel is a big bat?
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i think he's talking about buehrle.
he’s leading the sox in OPS again, just like he did in 2009.
sunshiney craig's comment about me has had the effect of rendering me too self conscious to maintain my public exhibition of ennui.
any time you have a clean up hitter with a .259 wOBA
you know it will be a good day
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Jun 30, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
this is truly a fucking terrible lineup.
i guess he’s counting on aaron cook sucking. i mean… whats the difference really- the regular guys don’t do shit besides konerko anyway.
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I am so with this
Im laughing and thinking the same thing. lmao.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Yep. Ozzie will win in spite of himself per usual
and his questionable methods will further be solidified in his own brain.
Do think Dunn gets one today.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Why not, the therapist is already there.
I will stop right here. This can get ugly quick. :-)
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
This is one of them days that Vizquel goes 4-4 with 5 RBI
orsomeshit.
"he's a fan favorite because the combined fanbases of the other 29 teams dwarf ours and they love him" billyok, on Pierre
by homesickalien on Jun 30, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
i love it when he hits HR
even better than a Pierre bomb.
He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local
I saw one in person last year while sitting in the scout seats behind home plate
It was the game they won against the Tigers, right when they started to go on the miracle run. It was glorious.
I was at that game as well!
I'd just as soon never hear another word from that fluttering asswheel. - RWShow
oh was that your wife?
I'd just as soon never hear another word from that fluttering asswheel. - RWShow
So much this.
"That might be how you roll at Camp Anawanna, Budnick. But where I come from, we only salute Old Glory." -moroots on May 23rd
by South Side Expat on Jun 30, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I think this is a "punishment" game.
A day off for everyone exceeding expectations. Everyone else has to play! Che is in there because of his defense (last night’s DP excepted) as of late.
by winningugly on Jun 30, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
I just threw up a lot in my mouth.
AJ Pierzynski: You have to want to catch.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jun 30, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
holycanoli
"he's a fan favorite because the combined fanbases of the other 29 teams dwarf ours and they love him" billyok, on Pierre
by homesickalien on Jun 30, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
So what you're saying is I need to boo harder?
by mechanical turk on Jun 30, 2011 11:01 AM CDT reply actions
i've tried that.
doesn’t seem to work.
sunshiney craig's comment about me has had the effect of rendering me too self conscious to maintain my public exhibition of ennui.
Jim Margalus is spot on
my brother pointed this out to me
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/06/chicago-links-williams-viciedo-hendry.html
by Rhubarb on Jun 30, 2011 11:32 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
mike cameron was DFA'd...
what do you think of a cameron/teahen trade. i’m all for it. boston probably wouldn’t be.
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Can he play 3rd base?
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Well sure if Boston will pick up Teabag's full contract for next year go for it
Oh wait. They won’t.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
who cares
dayan will be here in a week
"I wonder if converting Peavy to a closer role would be best? Help keep him healthy and help solidify the pen a bit." - Bent Over Beckham
cameron is a legit outfielder.
we could use one of them.
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Dunn's hands
I watched the lowlight video of Dunn’s 4 K game from last weekend as well as a highlight video of a 3 HR game Dunn had last year on July 7th. I tried to notice any change in mechanics between the bad strikeout swings and the successful HR ones. One slight difference I noticed was the height of Dunn’s hands while he loads up to swing. Below are snapshots of each AB, went through by frame to capture what appeared to be the height of Dunn’s leg during his stride.

Consistently, Dunn appears to be holding his hands higher this season. In the White Sox ABs, you can see his back elbow pointing up which doesn’t appear to be the case for the Nats ABs. Also, look at his bottom hand in reference to his body. For the Nats, Dunn’s bottom hand never is higher than his front shoulder. With us, it looks like his bottom hand is parallel with his chin. The actual distance must be at least half a foot.
I considered that the unique camera angles could be producing different looking mechanics. But the Nats camera angle is closer to ground level (at least in the first two pics, sorry about the third), which in my head seems like it would only exaggerate parts looking higher than they are.
Perhaps raising the hands could explain some of the difficulties he’s had this season in catching up to pitches. Taking longer to get through the zone. But I’m pretty much grasping at straws like everyone else in trying to explain The Donkey Who Lost Its Way.
by 3E8 on Jun 30, 2011 12:35 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
nice
the one thing i didn’t mention is that i do think he looks a little heavier this season also.
it’s interesting that you mention his hands because i thought his load looked a little bit different…but then i saw a few replays of some HRs just while i was watching his crappy ABs and it seemed like his load was slightly different in a couple different ABs throughout the season.
if i had to pick out a difference, it seems like maybe his load is more of a turn in his White Sox pics? if his swing is more of a rotation than a shift from front to back, he might be both a little slower w/ his timing mechanism and it also could get the bat more angled toward first base when he does get the timing right?
He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local
prince fielder is heavy and a good amount of his swings end up like this...

God dammit. Why oh why couldn’t we have traded for him instead.
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Instead of whom?
Dunn was a free agent. I think Fielder would have cost more than Dan Hudson.
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by TasteeFreeze on Jun 30, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
i was prepared to offer floyd.
people jumped on me for it. i still would have done it.
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I don't think we had quite the embarassment of riches as we do this year when it comes to starters.
I think moving Floyd and Hudson might have created a void that a Peavy injury would have blown open.
sideways smiley face
by TasteeFreeze on Jun 30, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
that's because it doesn't make sense.
you lose 4 wins to get 4 wins back.
He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local
youre nutsy. if we had prince instead of dunn this year we'd be in first place.
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I thought the choice was GF or Prince. How did Dunn get into this?
Beware the cure isn't worse than the disease
well if we had prince they wouldn't have signed dunn
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that wasn't what you said
Prince has to be greater than Floyd + Dunn. even if it comes to pass, it’s unlikely.
He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local
well go ahead and make it humber and fielder vs. floyd and dunn.
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if we're short Floyd because of his trade for Fielder
its likely KW went and traded Viciedo for a vet starter, cuz we’re ALL IN and shit.
It could have caused further mistakes.
I shant be misled a second time
yeah you were on the Humberwagon before the season started?
He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local
absolutely not...
but he’s the fill in. so its well in my favor.
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you don't get to pick the one who happened to work out!
He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local
why not he's who is there.
even if it was harrell id stick with prince and harrell over dunn and floyd.
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because Harrell is far from the average
trash bin pick up, even for the Sox. and if that’s your trade off, Prince was better than Dunn with the bat in 1 in 3 of the last three seasons. obviously Floyd kills Harrell. if you were actually at the reins, you wouldn’t pull the trigger.
He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local
i would! guaranteed.
floyd isn’t that great. Prince is a stud. I never cared for Dunn even before his suckage this year.
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he's still way better than Harrell!
Harrell might not even be replacement level
He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local
if Peavy wasn't a china doll I'd do it now
I'd just as soon never hear another word from that fluttering asswheel. - RWShow
because we have Humber and Sale
this is under the idea that Dunn’s contract doesn’t exist of course
I'd just as soon never hear another word from that fluttering asswheel. - RWShow
well it's more like
you can take an either or. as a fan, i want us to add players, not trade one for the other.
He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local
I would have too
AJ Pierzynski: You have to want to catch.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jun 30, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
most of us do
"I wonder if converting Peavy to a closer role would be best? Help keep him healthy and help solidify the pen a bit." - Bent Over Beckham
He's trying to compensate in the team average hand height for Rios.
Rios’ holds his hands so low, that we need 3 guys to hold the bat at full arm extension above their head in the batters’ box to bring the average right back where it should be.
sideways smiley face
by TasteeFreeze on Jun 30, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
that's more or less what i'm seeing
but that could definitely be camera angle.
He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local
BTB linked to you, sort of
Colintj of SB Nation’s The South Side takes a longggg look at Adam Dunn using both numbers and first hand scouting of Dunn’s 2010 and 2011 plate appearances. In my humble opinion, a refreshing read.
"A lot of misinformation," the source said.
That's just the kind of quality posting we see all the time here on The South Side.
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colin, you ginger bastard, this is magnificent.
ty.
"he's a fan favorite because the combined fanbases of the other 29 teams dwarf ours and they love him" billyok, on Pierre
Colin, did you play baseball at one point?
You are very good with mechanics and if you haven’t played the game personally that makes it even more impressive.
Thanks for the great article.
Have you seen Colin?
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
That's racist!
He was a pitcher, mebelieves.
"he's a fan favorite because the combined fanbases of the other 29 teams dwarf ours and they love him" billyok, on Pierre
by homesickalien on Jun 30, 2011 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
In real life he's a wide receiver.
Beware the cure isn't worse than the disease
by Chiburb on Jun 30, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Achieved as much Final Four success as Chris Webber.
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 30, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
You're under the impression I care about my alma mater.
Also, shut up. We totally almost beat Butler in the Horizon League finals once!
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 30, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
yep
i’m one of those annoying dudes who mimes their pitching/hitting in public. can’t help it. i was as good a pitcher as you can be for a guy who wasn’t 5’8’’ until senior year of HS (83-85 mph fastball) and i was a pretty bad hitter. but i’ve spent a lot of time thinking about hitting, so i think i’ve got a better handle on it now.
He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local
not on the grammatical test....
"I wonder if converting Peavy to a closer role would be best? Help keep him healthy and help solidify the pen a bit." - Bent Over Beckham
by BoeJouma on Jun 30, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
when you can hit the ball like me that shit don't matter.
lol
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
so deep SO DEEP put her ass to sleep!
"I wonder if converting Peavy to a closer role would be best? Help keep him healthy and help solidify the pen a bit." - Bent Over Beckham
when i was 12 i hit a kid in the face
there were traces of blood on that plate for a good 5 years after.
He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local
lol. i woulda stepped in the bucket and put that shit over the foul pole brother.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
moving at all
was waaaaaay better than what that kid managed. never seen anyone go deer in headlights when their face is at risk like that before or after.
He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local
I broke some bones but
i don’t think i ever hit anyone in the face though.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
that was the only time i ever did as far as i can remember
i hit a lot of batters and i even hit a lot on purpose, but not above the shoulders.
He was lookin’ for the Express and got the Local
Gingers can be fucking ruthless.
"That might be how you roll at Camp Anawanna, Budnick. But where I come from, we only salute Old Glory." -moroots on May 23rd
by South Side Expat on Jul 1, 2011 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
ive hit some guys on purpose.
mostly late high school though. i did get one kid i hated from my school right in the back between the numbers. fun times.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
His problem is those sunglasses.
They’re fugly and they look stupid.
"You go up there, against a dog-ass line up AND pitcher, and you don’t do a fucking thing with it. They whip your silly, sorry, saggy ass AGAIN, and you look like fucking bottom-ass, bitch-ass chumps doing it." - 2HA
by Shoeless In SC on Jun 30, 2011 8:59 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs

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