This Week In White Sox Minor League Baseball
by larry on Jul 17, 2011 5:00 PM CDT
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This week:
Charlie Leesman came into the season as probably the system's top lefthander not named Chris Sale. Of course, in the pitching thin White Sox system, that didn't mean all that much. I, along with Baseball America, rated him the 11th best prospect, while Kevin Goldstein and John Sickels were less impressed, both ranking him 18th. There wasn't much hope that he'd be a starter long-term, as he has a decent fastball and slider combination but no feel for a changeup. But he looked like he could eventually be a bullpen arm with that arsenal. He returned to Birmingham, where he has continued to start in the usual effort to give the best pitching prospects the most repetitions. And he's been quite wild.
His BB/9 last season in a half season with the Barons was a very nice 2.8; this season, it's jumped to 5.6. He's always been prone to hit batters and that's continued with 8 so far. He also has 11 wild pitches, much more than in the past, though some of that probably can be attributed to having Josh Phegley, a catcher who can't catch, behind the plate.
Interestingly, when he does decide to go into the strike zone, he appears to still be able to avoid contact. His strikeout rate is still decent, at 7.2 per 9, and he's only giving up 7.6 hits per 9.
Jim spoke to the Barons' broadcaster, Curt Bloom, a few weeks ago and he said that Leesman has good enough stuff but is prone to the big inning and "loses focus." All indications are that the ability is there but a move to the bullpen sooner rather than later is warranted.
- Speaking of Phegley, he got promoted to Charlotte. Pity the Knights pitchers. And UT Tyler Kuhn was sent back down to Birmingham.
- John Danks completed his two rehab starts with Charlotte without any issues: 9 IP, 9 H, 2 BB, 6 K. He'll be back with the White Sox on Wednesday.
- Dayan Viciedo: .320/.370/.526.
- RHP Lucas Harrell was picked up by Houston, compelling the White Sox to sign a pitcher to complete their fearsome AAA rotation of Freddy Dolsi, Matt Zaleski, Joe Bisenius and Dylan Axelrod. Clearly noting the righty-heavy pitching staff, the club moved quickly to add Doug Davis. This should assist in the effort to provide Charlotte fielders with the most repetitions possible. Unbeknownst to the club, if they had only waited a couple more days, they could have brought back Charlie Haeger. A Haeger-Phegley battery would have been absolutely hilarious.
- CF Keenyn Walker isn't having much trouble adjusting to pro ball. In 6 games, .407/.407/.704 and he's 2 for 2 in stolen bases. The lack of walks and 30% strikeout rate are as advertised.
- RHP Dan Remenowsky at AAA: 4 G, 6.2 IP, 3 H, 5 BB, 5 K. Looks like the guy with the career K/BB approaching 5.0 is finally facing a challenge.
- Jacob Petricka at High A: 4 GS, 17 IP, 21 H, 8 BB, 12 K.
As a reminder, prospect highlights from each minor league game, as well as news and analysis, can always be found in the White Sox Minor League Update fanpost on the RR.
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charlotte is as close to chicago as they get this week (maybe they can save some bucks and just drive viciedo to chicago)
with 4 games (monday-thursday) in indianapolis. unfortunately i’m going to skip my annual trip this year due to dew point concerns.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
by BuehrleMan on Jul 17, 2011 5:36 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
good lord. and it's often slightly more humid down here.
you know, because of the corn.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
(last week the dew point down here got to 81. at the same time it was 70 in chicago)
:-(
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
lol.
I love how it says how Chicago had a few hours of dewpoint over 80 and called it the Chicago Sauna.
"You go up there, against a dog-ass line up AND pitcher, and you don’t do a fucking thing with it. They whip your silly, sorry, saggy ass AGAIN, and you look like fucking bottom-ass, bitch-ass chumps doing it." - 2HA
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 17, 2011 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions
"due point concerns"
Hilarious.
"I have no patience for the homeless. Get your old, stinky ass out!" - Terry Boers
i do sometimes choose not to travel
even if i am due to do so simply because the dew point is going to be doo doo.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
I wake up to that feeling for practically 4 months out of the year.
Alas, what’re you going to do? Never leave home?
"You go up there, against a dog-ass line up AND pitcher, and you don’t do a fucking thing with it. They whip your silly, sorry, saggy ass AGAIN, and you look like fucking bottom-ass, bitch-ass chumps doing it." - 2HA
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 17, 2011 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions
We grow all kinds of stuff.
Soybeans. Peanuts. Cotton. Tomatoes. Corn. Peaches.
Do I really need to tell you what kinda dew points we get round here?
"You go up there, against a dog-ass line up AND pitcher, and you don’t do a fucking thing with it. They whip your silly, sorry, saggy ass AGAIN, and you look like fucking bottom-ass, bitch-ass chumps doing it." - 2HA
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 19, 2011 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I want Dayan up. Time to strike until he gets called up and played regularly.
Just seems KW has been neutered. Kinda makes you less aggressive with decisions after that.
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
If KW's neutered, who's running the organization?
Oney’s tweets?
Will that be an indie band’s ironic name in 15 years?
sideways smiley face
by TasteeFreeze on Jul 17, 2011 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
If he's permanently neutered (read fired)
would Hahn take over?
by polodude017 on Jul 18, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
based only on hearing hahn speak at a pregame thing once
i think he as GM and ozzie as manager might be mutually exclusive. not that he badmouthed guillen or anything even approaching it, but he just seems a lot more interested in basement troll metrics. he was, however, very clear that he grew up a cubs fan, so you have to wonder if he’ll be on this side of town after this offseason.
I like that no words are even needed at this point to describe Dayan's domination, just simply his stat line.
Oh wait maybe I dont like that. Maybe that pisses me off bc he’s freaking in Charlotte still!!!!
2011 WhiteSox Baseball: we're all in
I should be sleeping but I just can't turn off this offensive failfest in Tampa.
http://espn.go.com/espn3/player?id=203047&league=MLB
I love these types of games. Think it’ll get called on account of latenightness and lack of offense?
by mechanical turk on Jul 18, 2011 12:21 AM CDT reply actions
Does anyone else find it hilarious...
and somewhat concerning, that they insist on making mediocre arms like Leesman starters while wasting guys like Addison Reed and Sale in relief? It’s painfully obvious that guys like Leesman and Hector Santiago belong in the bullpen. Wouldn’t it have been easier to just move one of them along and develop Sale as a starter?
Kind of different since Sale is a major league reliever
Obviously if they didn’t feel they needed him right now, he would be in the minors as a starter, not a reliever.
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
How is this different?
This is exactly my point.
by polodude017 on Jul 18, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
because like he said
the big club feels they need sale right now. we have all the starters we need, and this way sale is popping his ML cherry all year getting a feel for it. the dude will get a shot at a starting job in the spring
"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza
What Boe said
The major league team is trying to win now, so the long-term development of the player comes second. Those other guys don’t have a place on the major league team right now, so there isn’t much harm in starting Leesman or Santiago.
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
I follow your rationale...
but my point still stands. In an organization that has so few blue chip prospects, how can you misallocate the ones you do have so blatantly? This system is so poor, you can’t squander the few pieces you have, and that’s exactly my thoughts on putting Sale in the bullpen. It’s capping his value. Do they intend to keep him there? I don’t know, but I do know that if the plan was to have him as a starter long-term, it doesn’t make sense to have him spend a year and half in the major league bullpen and not start a single game in 2 years. I have a hard time seeing how that better prepares him for starting than starting in the minors and working on his pitches while building up his innings.
by polodude017 on Jul 18, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
your point is made secondary due to that whole winning now thing
Easy chief
We’re a community - Tdogg
Again, that is exactly my point.
You want to jeopardize the kids future, and his future contributions to this team, because you wanted 3-4 extra wins this year and last combined? Really worth it huh?
by polodude017 on Jul 18, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
if those wins push you to the playoffs and a world series,
then yes, isn’t that the whole point?
Easy chief
We’re a community - Tdogg
I agree, and how's that working out for them?
by polodude017 on Jul 18, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
No
But I also wasn’t predicting a world series. I also think could be easily replaced in the pen. Maybe not the exact same numbers, but darn close.
by polodude017 on Jul 18, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
by your boys leesman and santiago, i assume.
i think the white sox expected a tight race. and rightly so. 1 win could very well be the difference.
They certainly aren't "my boys".
Fair enough though. With Ohman and Thornton, I think he’s unneccesary there, but to each his own. I’d rather have 15+ WAR down the road than 1.5-2 now.
If they fall out of the race completely
do you think they send him down to build up innings? Because they should if they plan on having him start next year.
by polodude017 on Jul 18, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
a waste of time.
milb season is over by early september. it’s july 18. the white sox won’t fall out of the race anytime soon. when and if they did, far more likely the white sox would just stretch him out at the major league level.
thought occurred that they probably would have a spot in the rotation for sale
if they are out of it, but didn’t know how much harm that could potentially do him, if any.
Fair enough.
Again, my only point here is that I think he’s a starter long-term and that’s the most valuable place for him on this team. And in my opinion, developing a starter is best done somewhat deliberately in the minors. I see what people are saying with some guys starting in relief and moving back to the rotation, but I very much doubt that any of those guys NEVER STARTED A GAME IN THE MINORS. I just think this is pointing towards a career in the pen (which WOULD cap his value) or injury/ineffectiveness if moved back to the rotation (especially if they attempt to do it at the major league level). I understand his value to the team now and I understand that a few wins could be the difference between a world series and sitting on the couch in october. I just think the chances of that are so slim, I would rather not risk it. Take it for what its worth. Just my two cents.
welcome to major league baseball.
that’s exactly what a competitive team would do. GMs explicitly say that’s what they do, fully realizing that what’s good for the major league club isn’t necessarily good for the development of a player.
Agreed
this is just all compounded by the fact that there are very few useful players in the minor league system. Tampa can afford to do these kinds of things. The Sox can’t.
by polodude017 on Jul 18, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Help me process jeopardize his future
where is the evidence for this.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
If he's moved back to the rotation, esp in the majors
he’s going to see a huge innings jump. Not to mention the fact that he hasn’t really worked with his change at all.
That's not putting his future in doubt.
He’d have those concerns of innings whenever he made the jump. Plenty of pitchers have started in the bullpen, including his own very Mark Buerhle.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
How would he have a huge innings jump...
if he was starting in the minors? There’s a big difference between jumping from 160 innings to 190 and jumping from 60 to 190. And as I showed above, Buehrle pitched 118 other innings in the minors the year he pitched 50 in the pen for the Sox. So this idea that he “started in the pen” is really somewhat distorted because he pitched a starters workload that year.
you should be less concerned about inning jumps
when a player has thrown significant innings before. sale threw something like 140 innings last year.
There's not necessarily scientific evidence that supports this theory one way or the other...
but I still have my worries in this regard.
When did they pass a rule that Sales needs to pitch 190 innings next year?
Everyone is aware the risks of big jumps in IP
If everyone is aware of it...
than why is no one concerned about it? If he’s in the rotation all year and they are contending late into the season, he will certainly approach that number.
How exactly do you know that?
If he starts all year, he could certainly do that. If he is put on a leash to prevent that, then that only reinforces my point that he should have been starting to begin with.
Brilliant.
Kind of like how the Yanks knew last year with Phil Hughes right? Oh wait…
Many if not most starters in the beginning are put on a lease
This is nothing new. Danks had 130 his first year.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
True...
but the reason he would be on such a low inning limit is because he pitched so few innings the year before.
no, it doesn't reinforce your point.
then the white sox would not have had the benefit of sale in the bullpen in 2010 and 2011.
My point has nothing to do with that.
He said “Sale will not pitch 190 innings next year”. My point is, how do you know that? If the answer is “because he’s on a pitch count” or “because he’s on an innings limit” or “because the Joba rules have been renamed the Sale rules”, than that’s my point. I’m not saying that’s necessarily what should have happened, but it’s something to take into consideration, not just toss aside.
case in point
aaron crow. rich farm system, were in the winning mix for a while, called up a future starter for bullpen work as they wanted to keep winning.
"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza
Buehrle pitched 51 innings in the major league pen
after pitching 118 in the minors that same year. He was never a full-time reliever.
by polodude017 on Jul 18, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
oh, then ill be on my way with that point
"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza
by BoeJouma on Jul 18, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'm not volunteering to sit on that deathtrap
Perhaps Rhubarb can construct some hypothetical risk/return scenario involving that IKEA whatever-it-is.
White Sox 2011: The season of extraneous body parts.
If you sit on it and it works...you get 3 million dollars.
If you break it, you get shot in the head.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 18, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Aaron Crow was moved to the pen
because it was painfully obvious he was not succeeding as a starter. I don’t think they have any plans to move him back to the rotation. And unlike the Sox, the Royals are dripping with other starters.
by polodude017 on Jul 18, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure, I've long been in favor of the team making long-term value-maximizing decisions like that
But within the context of “win now” using him as a reliever is reasonable. Not my preferred approach, but I don’t think he’s necessarily being misallocated, squandered, and capped.
I also can’t think of a lot of starters who got stuck in the bullpen when they had the talent to start. Whether they came into the majors as starters or relievers, most guys get their shot. Maybe a few guys like Neftali Feliz fall into the Closer Trap, but the majority of the really good pitchers get their shot at starting.
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
Pretty much agree...
I tend to err on the side of “down the road”, probably to a fault.
sale better want to start
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
Yeah. Although he went back and forth during spring training
I think Sale in his public statements has been pretty consistently in favor of starting long-term.
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
it would be painfully obvious that reed was a reliever if he were starting in AA
by larry on Jul 18, 2011 8:06 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
And why would anyone expect him to be starting at AA
when he was just drafted last year? Not saying he wouldn’t be a reliever long-term anyway, but the fact that he wasn’t even tried as a starter is a bit of a joke in my opinion. Look past the current year Kenny.
by polodude017 on Jul 18, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
those other players need repetitions.
santiago, for example, added a screwball this offseason. they tried him as a starter this season to see if maybe that addition changes their assessment of him but mostly because they want him to refine his pitches either way.
reed doesn’t need to refine his primary pitches nearly as much as leesman or santiago. and there’s nothing in his background or repertoire to suggest that he has much of a chance to be a starter. contrast that with, say, petricka. while the bullpen is where he’ll probably find a home, too, he’s got enough of a chance to be a starter that it’s worth exploring.
I can understand the "he needs reps" explanation...
for starting guys you think might end up in relief. But putting a guy in the bullpen who could ultimately be a starter does not make sense to me. If they ever plan on starting him again, it’s idiocy. He would see a huge innings jump (like Sale is going to see next season if he starts) which would increase the risk of injury substantially. I’m not a fan of the big innings jumps, they tend to be troublesome, especially in injuries and lost velocity.
by polodude017 on Jul 18, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
If they ever plan on starting him again, it’s idiocy.
and there’s nothing in his background or repertoire to suggest that he has much of a chance to be a starter.
So… there’s no problem here, right?
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
The first quote was about Sale.
The second was about Reed, and said by Larry. I don’t know that I necessarily agree that Reed has no chance to be a starter. He started at SDSU and he has three solid pitches. Maybe he has a better chance as a reliever, but I certainly wouldn’t say that “there’s nothing to indicate he has much of a chance of being a starter”.
I don't understand how the first quote could be about Sale
“If they ever plan on starting him again, it’s idiocy. He would see a huge innings jump (like Sale…”
So I assumed “he” would have to be Reed, since you’re comparing someone to Sale. Maybe I misunderstood?
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
Sorry, the first quote was a general one about any reliever moving to starting.
I’m really again large innings jumps, especially with young pitchers. The second, again was from larry and I don’t particularly agree with it.
I know the second quote was from Larry
My point was that if the Sox don’t believe Reed has any chance at him being a starter, as Larry suggests, then they are clear of the idiocy danger. But if you weren’t talking about Reed, I guess you can disregard that.
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
Well his K rate..
would seem to indicate he has at least some pretty good stuff. Obviously he would lose some velocity as a starter, but it seems it would be worth at least a look. Again, just my opinion. Would have at least prefered an Infante-like try.
his fastball becomes a plus pitch as a reliever.
infante was a starter for the reason discussed before. repetitions. his mechanics were a mess, kind of still are. it was an effort to make him more consistent.
Again, I see your point.
But don’t you see mine? Don’t you think that they should try these guys as starters, like with Petricka, at least until they fail? Starters are so much more valuable, and rare, than relievers, why would they not try their hands at starting until they prove they can’t? You could always move them to the pen later. Especially with this bleak minor league system.
of course i see your point.
reed is a reliever. if he ends up being a high-leverage reliever, as he’s capable of, he probably would be worth the same as if he ends up being a 4th or 5th starter, which is probably the best case scenario if he stayed a starter. that, and the fact that reed will be in the majors this year, is what the white sox think.
your point is far more salient with sale. he is the only pitcher in the system who is arguably being misallocated.
I see what you are saying...
and I’m sure no one really has an answer for this, but why don’t you TRY Reed as a starter? Besides the fact that he wouldn’t be up this year, where is the harm in that? I understand that he’s unlikely to be an ace, but he could very well be something along the lines of Danks from the right side. That’s a valuable commodity.
danks? huh?
danks wasn’t drafted ninth overall because he profiled as a bullpen arm. he was drafted there because he was a potential 1 or 2. reed could not “very well be” danks. there is essentially zero chance of that happening.
there would be no harm. except wasting time, as you point out.
Not saying it's likely that he would be Danks.
but there’s at least a chance that with three solid pitches, he could be that type of sub-4 ERA starter with a solid K rate and solid control from the right side. Maybe Danks was a poor comparison, but my point is that there’s at least some chance he could be a useful starter. Obviously it’s small, but it’s small for ALL minor league starters. Heck even the blue chippers its like 50/50.
Fair enough.
If you think his upside as a starter is a #5 at best, then I see you’re point.
I think the expectation is that Sale will be tried as a starter next year depending on who leaves as FAs
Pretty sure that was part of how they got him to sign so quickly — promise to get him to the majors ASAP as a reliever while eventually making him a starter. With Jackson gone, they’re back to five starters with an obvious injury risk in the rotation. If Buehrle also leaves or they trade someone, Sale moves into the rotation in that slot. Looking at Cot’s, they should be able to keep Humber on the cheap for at least another year, as his service time coming into the season was 1.000 — I don’t think he’ll be arb eligibile (not sure if his signing a major league contract affects that, I thought that just made a difference for minor league options but not positive).
As for Sale working in the pen with the big club and then becoming a starter, it’s certainly not an unknown path — Santana was a reliever/spot starter for the Twins for several years before a rather obviously successful move to the rotation.
by Yinka Double Dare on Jul 18, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
cj wilson too.
i don’t know though. i could see the sox seeing sale as a back end of the bullpen beast for years to come.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
And yes...
I have had this feeling that Sale might end up sticking in the pen for some time… which does not excite me.
by polodude017 on Jul 18, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Santana spent one year in the pen...
with some spot starts, getting 86 innings in 2000. From what I can tell, he was injured in 2001 and then pitched at least 150+ innings every year from then on.
by polodude017 on Jul 18, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
problem. and no good solution.
Center Field: Alex Rios (.201 TAv, -1.1 WARP), White Sox
You’ve heard of an injury stack, when the cumulative effect of two players being out of commission makes the problem worse because of a lack of depth. Well, here we have a crap stack, because as bad as left fielder Juan Pierre has been (.275/.334/.322, even with a torrid July, and in consideration for the left field spot here), Rios (.207/.256/.301) has been much, much worse, lost in a manner reminiscent of his horrendous late-2009 performance after Sox GM Kenny Williams plucked him off the waiver wire. The good news is that the Sox only owe him another $43 million through 2014; maybe Ozzie Guillen should be allowed to fire Williams instead of the other way around.
Remedy (?): They could shift Pierre back to center field after calling up Dayan Viciedo to play left; Kevin Goldstein noted last week that the 22-year-old Cuban defector is tearing it up in Triple-A (.320/.370/.526 with 16 homers and much-improved plate discipline). Pierre’s defensive lapses in left don’t bode well in center field, however, and it’s a stretch to think that farmhand Lastings Milledge (whose lifetime line of .269/.328/.395 would be respectable under these circumstances) can handle the middle pasture flanked by Viciedo and Carlos Quentin given his lack of recent experience there. The same might be said for Carlos Beltran, though the Sox could cross their fingers and hope that a half-season in right field has provided enough of a break for his knees that he could handle the job for a few months. Among other pending free agents, Kosuke Fukudome (.270/.373/.363) hasn’t played much center field since 2009 and has platoon issues, but he’d be an upgrade. David DeJesus isn’t hitting much for Oakland (.226/.315/.343) and hasn’t played center field regularly since 2008, but he too could be available, as could teammate Coco Crisp (.261/.308/.382).
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=14550
bah. no worries here.
that dude clearly isn’t aware of the dunn-rios pact of 2011.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
De Aza
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
yeah I know.
Its a desperate situation though. The team really has to address these black holes in the lineup. Giving up 49 runs in July over 13 games and having a 6-7 record is totally unacceptable. It just a continuation from the previous “hot” month. Okay I’m desperate.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
It's not, except from a "sunk cost" perspective.
We generally have had crap in CF for the last few years. It’s LF that is the easiest to fix. And of course we need to get Kotsay back as DH.
by winningugly on Jul 18, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
An interesting mental exercise.
Which is the lesser of the two evils; Rios “hitting” regularly or JP “fielding and throwing” in CF regularly?
White Sox 2011: The season of extraneous body parts.
You probably would still like to believe Rios is the better bet
As awful as he’s been (and Im disappointed with his D) the guys contacts rates are up, so its not like he strikes out all the damn time. Unless he’s hurt Rios is still the best option to be a productive cf. At that point I’d almost rather see him move to the A Jones system of hitting and try to launch everything.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
pierre is totally incapable in CF.
therefore I believe that’s exactly what they’re going to do.
by larry on Jul 18, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
they better not.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
See also: Ken Griffey Jr. in 2008
by Yinka Double Dare on Jul 18, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
he wasn't incapable though.
he was handicapable.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
Pirates are all in!
They are going for the AL Central crown so how about this:
Trades Rios + Dunn + half the money we owe those players for McCutcheon and then we call up Viciedo?
wow.
"You go up there, against a dog-ass line up AND pitcher, and you don’t do a fucking thing with it. They whip your silly, sorry, saggy ass AGAIN, and you look like fucking bottom-ass, bitch-ass chumps doing it." - 2HA
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 19, 2011 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, we can't trade with them if we're in a divisional race against them.
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
So...you send down Lilli? Visquel?
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 18, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
i would think it would be morel, no?
if he isn’t going to play ahead of teahen then fuck it. vizquel can replace teahen defensively if need be.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
No way.
Morel is the 3B of the future to Ozzie. I bet they send down either of those two before him. Maybe even Teahen.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 18, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
you're wrong.
morel has options and ozzie will protect his veterans. if someone is to go it will be morel.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
even with all the dough he's owed?
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
what would you do with him if you obtained/called up a replacement?
if we can’t get viciedo, i’d love the move to be morel for de aza. and i think ozzie would love it, too. maybe it would shake rios up, even if it were only a platoon or 50/50 split or something.
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i'm really at a loss for what to do with him
he’s just a total deadweight.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
De Aza worries me a bit little...
1) His BABIP is .371 and is supporting his slash line of .320/.370/.499.
2) His BB% and K% are 6.6% and 17.3% respectively.
However, he’s shown some good power (even though he plays in Charlotte), he’s decently fast, and he has a reputation for at least average defense. I think he performs a better Rios than Rios is currently providing.
"You go up there, against a dog-ass line up AND pitcher, and you don’t do a fucking thing with it. They whip your silly, sorry, saggy ass AGAIN, and you look like fucking bottom-ass, bitch-ass chumps doing it." - 2HA
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 19, 2011 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions
a little bit*, lol
"You go up there, against a dog-ass line up AND pitcher, and you don’t do a fucking thing with it. They whip your silly, sorry, saggy ass AGAIN, and you look like fucking bottom-ass, bitch-ass chumps doing it." - 2HA
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 19, 2011 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions
you would hope to see a guy with major league ambitions
BABIPing like hell. minorleaguesplits.com’s MLE calc spits out a .278/.317/.424 line, which is probably somewhat optimistic considering who we’re talking about, but it’s obvious that he can at least compete with Rios and Pierre for playing time at this point.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
that's my point.
that line isn’t great by any means, but look at what he’s replacing. If he puts up that MLE this year, runs the bases well, and plays his average or slightly above average defense then he’s what he thought we were getting from Alex Rios. For millions and millions less (fewer)
"You go up there, against a dog-ass line up AND pitcher, and you don’t do a fucking thing with it. They whip your silly, sorry, saggy ass AGAIN, and you look like fucking bottom-ass, bitch-ass chumps doing it." - 2HA
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 19, 2011 1:51 AM CDT up reply actions
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