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If you're looking for a turning point in the roster construction of the 2011 White Sox, Tuesday evening may have provided one, for Ozzie Guillen chose to remain ambiguous about his future plans for Adam Dunn:

"I don't know yet. I don't know yet," Guillen said. "It depends. Tormorrow we play, the next day is off, I’ll figure it out. We’ll see how we work today. I want those guys to get some at-bats. It depends on how we do today —  then we’ll figure out tomorrow."

By "those guys," Guillen refers to subs Brent Lillibridge, starting in right field on Tuesday (regular RF Carlos Quentin moves to DH) as well as Brent Morel, starting at third base for the first time of the second half. By Guillen’s word, if Lilli and/or Morel have a strong game — or even Tyler Flowers, starting at catcher tonight but available to DH — Dunn could sit until their bats run cold.

As far as the other guys go:

*Lillibridge didn't help his cause on Tuesday, going 0-for-3 with two poorly timed strikeouts. Since peaking on June 3 by homering in his second straight game, Lillibridge is hitting 10-for-55 (all singles) with six 22 strikeouts in 63 plate appearances, and he's been even worse of late. He hasn't even been able to wrestle playing time away from Alex Rios, much less fill a DH role.

(At least he's finally capitalizing on his pinch-running abilities, with six straight successful steal attempts.)

*Morel has gone a month without an extra-base hit.

*Flowers ... nope.

And meanwhile, back at the Trib, Mark Gonzales notes that, hey, Omar Vizquel hasn't played much.

Prior to Dunn's benching, Ozzie Guillen played the same lineup for five straight games, which is a season high for him. If you allow for a weekly A.J. Pierzynski day of rest, it's been seven straight, as Ramon Castro took his spot in the order on July 9.

Later in the article, Guillen says that Dunn has "everything in his favor," which is another way to note a lack of excuses. Given the lack of options to replace Dunn, and the fruitless lineup permutations to keep him in the fold, this seems like a muted cry for help. If it feels like it's taken forever, it absolutely has.

Star-divide

 

At the same time, the worm is turning faster this year than back in 2008, when Paul Konerko wasn't cutting it and Nick Swisher needed two months to get going.

It took until the trade deadline, when Kenny Williams acquired Ken Griffey Jr. to give Guillen some flexibility. First, General Soreness was Konerko insurance, in the event that he couldn't shake his season-long slump and nagging injuries. Only after Konerko righted the barge could Guillen address the Nick Swisher problem, and that took place in the second half of the season in spectacularly blunt fashion.

As much as it sucks, there's a reason for the waiting: Guillen's contending clubs have been veteran ones, and they generally like to be left alone. And this part of the season is as in-between as Dunn, just after the All-Star break, but before the reality of the stretch run forces changes of perspective.

Guillen can pull a one-off move like pulling Alex Rios from the middle of the game, but repeated power plays often get managers fired. It's OK to carry a sulking player for a few weeks (Swisher) or a month and change (Jermaine Dye), but with more than two months remaining, that's a lot of time for a rotten clubhouse dynamics to fester.

That's why the Sox would be better starting off small with Brent Morel. He has no grounds for complaint, no track record, room for fundamental improvement, and, best of all, options. Swapping him with Dayan Viciedo or Alejandro De Aza would at least give the bench a pulse and Guillen some lineup flexiblity. That would buy a couple weeks to see if Williams could be a buddy and remove a headache or force an issue with a deadline move. In seasons past, Guillen could make unpopular playing time moves because hey, he was given one veteran too many.

If the deadline passes and Guillen still has the same lineup -- my best guess, unless Mark Teahen can tempt a third-baseman-starved team like Milwaukee into taking a payroll hit -- then it's all on Guillen to play Hurt-Feelings Whac-A-Mole. Guillen's response to the Dunn question above seems like the first step in preparing for that future.

I still think the Sox have been way too lax in addressing the issue, because De Aza or Viciedo could've slipped onto this team weeks ago and contributed without upsetting the depth chart order. Alas, even their conservative approach is reaching a dead end, and Dunn edges closer to the margins.

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Sigh.

So now we need Oprah.

by winningugly on Jul 20, 2011 8:24 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

KenWo seconds this comment.

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by RWShow on Jul 20, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

everyone needs oprah.

it goes without saying.

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by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 20, 2011 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've got hurt feelings

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Jul 20, 2011 8:29 AM CDT reply actions  

the all the persons on this team are persons

"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza

by BoeJouma on Jul 20, 2011 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I just want this team to

make the obvious moves to help out a top flight pitching staff. They need to get closer before the competition makes their moves to plug holes. Maybe it was a marketing guy who created it but this is the worst all in I have ever seen executed.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Jul 20, 2011 8:29 AM CDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Lots of talk about the Tigers picking up another right handed starter

Not sure who they could bring in, but I’d bet they would be willing to spend some cake

by 815Sox on Jul 20, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is the second article I have read this week...

that proposes sending Morel down and it makes just as much sense now as it did the first time I read it. He’s got options and it’s clear he need a bit more seasoning at AAA. Morel down, Viciedo up. How hard is that?

by polodude017 on Jul 20, 2011 8:45 AM CDT reply actions  

I'll revisit a broken horse dead record...

Dunn on 15 day DL,
Dayan promoted, and
worry about roster after Dunn’s reunion tour in AAA.

White Sox 2011: The season of extraneous body parts.

by greenlight on Jul 20, 2011 9:07 AM CDT reply actions  

Is Dunn actually injured?

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by big_fun on Jul 20, 2011 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

when I was your age

we’d break a players arm and PUT him on the DL

by striker on Jul 20, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

It doesn't matter.

He needs to say he is hurt and do exactly what greenlight said – for the team and for himself.

by stanfordron on Jul 20, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you're not cheating

you’re not trying. Bill Belichick taught me that.

by notoneyguillen on Jul 20, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I do not know that it is cheating.

He certainly has something wrong in his head. This would help him by getting the fans/pressure off his back until he can return to his normal .200 and a bunch of worthless home runs.

by stanfordron on Jul 20, 2011 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'm sure the team docs can find something wrong with him

"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10

by Ahillock on Jul 20, 2011 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

You like player union fights huh?

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Jul 20, 2011 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

i was being sarcastic. guess it didnt translate well. you computer must be broken.

"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10

by Ahillock on Jul 20, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

If only we knew someone who was good with computers.

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by South Side Expat on Jul 20, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fear the iron fist of Bud Selig!

"I have no patience for the homeless. Get your old, stinky ass out!" - Terry Boers

by RWShow on Jul 20, 2011 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

swap Dunn for a sexy intern or secretary in his office

this team needs an infusion of hot ass since Jamie Kotsay and Lisa Dergan are gone.

"You go up there, against a dog-ass line up AND pitcher, and you don’t do a fucking thing with it. They whip your silly, sorry, saggy ass AGAIN, and you look like fucking bottom-ass, bitch-ass chumps doing it." - 2HA

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 20, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't understand why this idea keeps coming up, because it seems to me to be completely without merit

1. It’s unethical and wrong
2. It can’t be done without Dunn going along with it, which he has no reason to do
3. It creates a bad relationship with a player who is signed through 2014
4. It creates a potential union grievance
5. It sends a message to future free agents to steer clear of the White Sox

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by big_fun on Jul 20, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying we should do it, but your reasons confuse me.

Why wouldn’t he go along with it? Why would it create a bad relationship with him? If he’s mentally exhausted and needs to regroup, I don’t see why he wouldn’t accept it. It’s not like he hasn’t acknowledged the fact he’s played poorly.

The only one of your reasons I see an issue with is number 1. It’s not like we’re not going to pay him for two his two week vacation. He’s 3+ years from free agency, he’s not playing for a contract this year.

I understand it’s basically cheating, so it’s not acceptable in any way, but I think the other reasons you’ve listed are really exaggerated.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 20, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

That doesn't make it any more right or OK

And have they ever done something like this with a highly paid veteran? This situation is quite a bit different than Eric Threets’ turf toe.

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by big_fun on Jul 20, 2011 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why wouldn’t he go along with it?

Why would he want to sit for 15 days doing nothing? How is that going to help him get better? I’m working on the assumption that he believes the best way to work though this is in the batting cage and at the plate, minus the (deserved) benchings. If he’s said anything to the contrary, let me know. What veteran has ever said “what I really need to do is sit around doing nothing for 15 days.”

And what’s the guarantee for Dunn that he gets a reasonable shot at playing time when he comes back? Who’s to say Viciedo doesn’t come up and rake and then Dunn is platooned or worse when he gets back? Why would he take that risk for no gain to himself?

And no he’s not playing for a contract, but it could still hurt his future value, particularly if he spends time on the DL in the next few years with real injuries.

Why would it create a bad relationship with him?

The Sox have said all the right things about Dunn so far. They’ve stood by him. Now they’re going to say “you’re so bad and we have so little faith in you rebounding any time soon that we’re willing to cheat in a basically unprecdented way for a veteran with your status just to get you off our roster.”

Even if Dunn was OK with this, the union and the commissioner’s office might want to fight it on principle.

All of that… and this doesn’t even solve the problem. It just puts off much easier, simpler roster decisions by 15 days.

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by big_fun on Jul 20, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Who said he'd sit doing nothing?

He can go play in Charlotte after a couple days. What do you think John Danks has been doing?

I’m not saying it’s legal, or acceptable in any way, I just don’t think it’s a problem for the reasons you think it is.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 20, 2011 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

john danks doesn't have to stay in charlotte, ride buses on long road trips

and generally be a minor leaguer. he gets to fly in for the day and fly back to chicago, or wherever the white sox are. this would be a pretty damn humbling experience. i don’t know how dunn or any player would react to that.

by larry on Jul 20, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well you don't have to have him go to Charlotte.. it was just an option.

Keep him in the club house hitting in the cage if you want.

The point is, I just don’t think it’s going to ruin a relationship with the guy or horribly damage the White Sox reputation among future free agents if you suggest a guy with a .160 batting average has a strained back and sit him out for a couple weeks.

That being said, I completely understand why it’s not ethical and I’m not suggesting we should do it.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 20, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I can't speak for Dunn. Maybe he wouldn't care.

If he had a minor nagging injury, he probably would be willing to go on the DL and then rehab. There’s precedent for that.

But as far as completely fabricating an injury… I’ve never heard of a veteran going along with something like that, no matter how bad they’re struggling. Particularly when it is primarily motivated by the desire to bring up a different player (a potential competitor for playing time, no less).

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by big_fun on Jul 20, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Of course you've never heard of something like that.

It’s illegal. If it had happened, you wouldn’t know about it.

And you did speak for Dunn, and all other free agents in your previous post that listed the reasons it’s not acceptable.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 20, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

I said it would send a message to free agents, I didn't speak for them

As for Dunn, I think it’s reasonable for me to speculate that he wouldn’t like the team asking him to cheat in a way that potentially hurts his career and makes him look like even more of a failure than he does right now.

But you can take my “I can’t speak for Dunn” as a clarification if you think I assume too much.

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by big_fun on Jul 20, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

So we're going to fabricate an injury that is serious enough to send him to the DL

Yet improves quickly enough that after a couple days he’s ready to start rehabbing? You don’t see a significant danger that this incredibly convenient event is going to draw scrutiny?

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by big_fun on Jul 20, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

It is totally insulting to Dunn to do that

The guy is one of the best hitters of this last decade. It sucks, but this is really the first time he has slumped. We paid him big money and he is not going anywhere, we just have to hope that he comes out of this. I doubt he forgot how to hit the ball, he just is so mind fucked right now. Sending him to AAA would make this worse. Think about how big of a story this would be… his injury’s legitimacy would be questioned right away.

I still have faith that he will turn it around, maybe not this year but its not time to declare his signing a total failure.

by 815Sox on Jul 20, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

no he hasn't

He isn’t doing it on purpose, its not intentional. He is not playing poorly because “he already has the money and doesn’t care.” (not saying you are suggesting this, but I have heard that suggested often recently)

I guarantee he is more upset with himself than any fan, including even yourself, as hard as that may be for you to realize.

But in the end, the DL move isn’t going to happen for two reasons.

1. It is a terrible idea.
2. Its illegal.

by 815Sox on Jul 20, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well said

Disappointed everyone, yes, insulted, no.

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by big_fun on Jul 20, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

i don't think they are going to do it.

but if you look at the board and see a .158 average… i would hope you’re insulted. especially when he is put in the lineup almost nightly while you are paying 50 bucks for a seat and 8 bucks a beer to watch an inferior ball player.

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by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 20, 2011 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

and trying is only for people who can't get it done.

i used to hate the jagoff kids i coached that said “i tried my best” i used to tell them “thats what losers say”. “instead of trying to do it- get it done”.

i was a damn good coach. all my players appreciated playing for me.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 20, 2011 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thing is:

You cannot do it. This keeps getting floated and floated out on sports radio. Most hosts let it go and discuss it like it is an option, because there is not much else to talk about in Chicago sports right now. But this also legitimizes this position when it shouldn’t be.

by 815Sox on Jul 20, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gotta agree with everyone

morel and even to a lesser extent beckham have gotten basically free passes on being considered options to be sent down (beckham has a higher pedigree and a bit of a mlb track record so he isnt in the same boat) but I think the absolute rediculously poor seasons from dunn and rios has allowed people to forget about other guys performing at or slightly below replacement level.

by Knoxfire30 on Jul 20, 2011 9:15 AM CDT reply actions  

If Rios and Dunn were at slightly below replacement level

The White Sox would be in first.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Jul 20, 2011 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

crazy to think in those terms huh?

"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10

by Ahillock on Jul 20, 2011 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

We are already back at the pre ws frustration years of paper champs

Love how the White Sox are 1st in 2nd and 3rd order win percentage for BP. Woo hoo!
link

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Jul 20, 2011 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

take a fucking pill larry you d bag

young players with minimal amounts of at bats who are career 250 hitters with a 720 ops have been sent down before, not saying we have better options, not saying he doesnt play good defense at 2nd a pretty easy position to field but he has been a disapointment with the bat and its gone unnoticed thanks in part to the collapses we have seen from dunn and rios

by Knoxfire30 on Jul 20, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

unnoticed

to causual fans who talk whitesox baseball, yes the intense fans who come to this site and live and breathe sox baseball have noticed beckhams struggles

by Knoxfire30 on Jul 20, 2011 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

i see.

and casual fans talk about options and replacement level. perhaps you can see our confusion, considering the context.

by larry on Jul 20, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

/claps

"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza

by BoeJouma on Jul 20, 2011 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

holy fuck

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by BoeJouma on Jul 20, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Calm down man

I don’t think its gone unnoticed. The point is Beckham’s defense has been so good he’s a productive player.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Jul 20, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

GB

wasnt drafted 8th overall to be a slick fielding 2nd basemen

by Knoxfire30 on Jul 20, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

And Alex Gordon wasn't drafted to play in the outfield.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Jul 20, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

zing!

"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10

by Ahillock on Jul 20, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

i like your response better in the thought process

"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10

by Ahillock on Jul 20, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

And Sergio Santos wasn't drafted 27th overall to throw one inning every couple of days.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Jul 20, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Konerko wasn't drafted to be a 1st basemen

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Jul 20, 2011 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Guys switch positions

I get it, but with the lack of sox home grown top tier players a lot of people (maybe just me) was expecting our first top ten pick in a decade and a half to be a productive OFFENSIVE player along with being solid defensively, maybe that still can happen but so far I am a bit discouraged with the results. I dont put as much emphasis on defense as some other people, I try and break it down as to something like this. If GB makes 5 errors this year, and hits 250 in 500 at bats, vs player X who makes 20 errors but hits 300 in 500 at bats, to me that means beckham took away 15 plays away but lost 25 hits in the process, so wouldnt player x be 10 plays better at the end of the day?

by Knoxfire30 on Jul 20, 2011 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

forget about errors

Its hits taken away. Even on the current road trip you have seen a couple.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Jul 20, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

There are tons of factors

and beckhams WAR reflects he definitely has value, but I just want more from the bat, especially if he is going to have very limited power, rbi potential (I know its about guys getting on in front of him but when Pierre is neck and neck with him in rbis the last couple seasons thats troubling) and virtually not be a threat to run

by Knoxfire30 on Jul 20, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

i want more from everybody's bat.

i’m still not seeing why a player not being what one thinks he should be means he should be sent down when he’s a productive player.

by larry on Jul 20, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds as if you are having trouble dealing with lowered expectations

Many Sox fans thought we were going to have a perennial all-star player with Beckham. Turns out, many were over-confident. However, Beckham is one of the best defensive 2B in the MLB. He is very streaky at the plate. He looks to be heating up now though, it makes no sense to send him down to AAA when it looks like he is about to go on a big streak (as his history suggests).

He is still young, he can still improve at the plate. I think he will. He also suggests that he likes working with Walker (yes the same Walker that some want to blame for our offensive woes).. why would sending him down make any sense. He has proven that he is a major leaguer.

by 815Sox on Jul 20, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

What is the opposite of a casual fan?

I am fine with what Beckham has become (and may grow into) and suggesting to put him in the minors exhibits a level of derangement I am quite uncomfortable with.

Suggesting to drop or demote veterans to AAA is causes even greater discomfort. “LETZ PUHT DEM IN DA MINORS TO FEEGUR IT OUT!” Blasphemy.

by Rhubarb on Jul 20, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

i love the word drop.

lets just drop them all and replace them with AAA players so we can demote the AAA players back to Charlotte to figure it out and if they don’t like it….drop them. Drop them…and their salaries they are paid too much….ARHHEJGJKAGEKAGKGAOROARGGAJKJKAR!!!!!

by Rhubarb on Jul 20, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

true.

I think all casual fans should be Cub fans. That damn World Series…..

by Rhubarb on Jul 20, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

drop players is what you do in fantasy baseball

when you are free to do whatever you want

"You go up there, against a dog-ass line up AND pitcher, and you don’t do a fucking thing with it. They whip your silly, sorry, saggy ass AGAIN, and you look like fucking bottom-ass, bitch-ass chumps doing it." - 2HA

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 20, 2011 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you rememeber everyone's favorite grinder Joe Crede?

He did not hit at the major league level immediately, but his defense was great. Over time he developed into an average hitter. I’d even argue that Beckham is showing better potential at the plate then Crede did.

by 815Sox on Jul 20, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pretty much.

It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
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by rhythm on Jul 20, 2011 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe not

but I kind of like balls hit in the infield are generally outs on this team. You think Sox defense lately is an accident.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Jul 20, 2011 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

And here I thought 2B was on the hard end of the defensive spectrum.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Jul 20, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Beckham on the score

basically said 2nd base is an easy position to play. Personally I agree with him completely, compared to the left side of the infield I find 2nd base to be a much easier position to field. Some people will completely disagree and its hard to judge given the different tool sets a good third basaemen and or second basemen need to have to play the position effectively

by Knoxfire30 on Jul 20, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

considering beckham is a legit SS,

2B should be an easy position for him to play.

by larry on Jul 20, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Have a looksie at this.

http://baseball1.com/baseball-archive/sabermetrics/bill-james-primer/

A guy who played SS in college should be able to handle 2B pretty easily.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Jul 20, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

who cares if he thinks it is easy or not?

I am glad he does, shit that might be why he has been stellar at the position. Pretty sure he has only had two errors this entire year which is basically unheard of at 2nd base.

by 815Sox on Jul 20, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

i think that comment heading is out of bounds in this not so new era of SSS

learn to respond more constructively, or less offensively, even if you disagree with other posters

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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 20, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, he's not an essential piece of the WSox bench, but he does have his uses.

Pinch running, for instance, and his above average defense. I mean, do you send down Morel with options, or do you DFA Lilli. Or both? What they SHOULD do is probably both, to grab both De Aza and Viciedo. I’d miss Lilli, but it would be the logical thing to do.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 20, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

lillibridge is a right-handed jordan danks. or alejandro de aza.

probably the only difference is that brent could play the infield in a pinch. i frankly don’t care if brent is gone because he’s not that difficult to replace.

by larry on Jul 20, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not a good one.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Jul 20, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

It may be tallest midget, but DeAza leads Charlotte in OPS.

Pinch run, late inning D in corners, start (some) in CF.
Couldn’t do any worse than Lilli.

Win It For WU!

by Chiburb on Jul 20, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

send that fucker to #godscountry

"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza

by BoeJouma on Jul 20, 2011 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Seems to only be positive about it though.. I can handle that

As a non-religious guy, usually rubs me the wrong way, but it’s not like he’s Luke Scott.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 20, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

oh no doubt

I didn’t mean it to be an insult, fundie does have negative connotations.. probably too strong on my part.

by 815Sox on Jul 20, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

also looks like he is either a Lab or Golden owner as well

http://yfrog.com/h8m09knj

Considering I have had both breeds and they are great dogs, I highly approve of this.

by 815Sox on Jul 20, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

but they will, which sucks

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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 20, 2011 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

If Ozzie doesn't want to bring DV up to play LF

would DV be serviceable at 3B assuming he can still rake? Send Morel down and bring Dayan up. Free Dayan.

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by Ahillock on Jul 20, 2011 9:32 AM CDT reply actions  

good fucking god.

no. how many times does this need to be addressed? viciedo is an awful, terrible, totally not serviceable 3B.

by larry on Jul 20, 2011 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

ok then. send morel down anyways and put MT at 3B and put JP on the bench. problem solved. but still bring dv up

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by Ahillock on Jul 20, 2011 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

mark teahen is already at third.

pierre isn’t going to the bench. viciedo probably isn’t the answer at this point, considering ozzie’s predilections. it’s morel for de aza, rios to the bench.

by larry on Jul 20, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

i wouldn't.

so maybe that’s me projecting my ideal reality onto the white sox. rios isn’t going to recover. dunn is. when, i don’t know. the better recipe for dunn is batting him 7th or 8th.

by larry on Jul 20, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

no way

Dunn can still hit the occasional homerun. I think Dunn is more likely to be able to just turn it around quickly.

by 815Sox on Jul 20, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

dunn has 3 more homers than rios.

6 or 9 whats the difference. neither is passable.

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by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 20, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

whats the difference

I think Dunn hit a few more before 2011.

a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee

by big_fun on Jul 20, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

before 2011 doesn't concern me.

if we are going that route… alex rios has appeared on more all star teams than dunn has.

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by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 20, 2011 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

and jeter wins gold gloves

an argument built on fan/media voting cannot stand…

by evenyoudorn on Jul 20, 2011 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Frustrating

because the Sox are just a one or two singles with RISP per game from having totally different win/loss record. Please! All I want is some timely singles! Is that too much to ask?

"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain

by phastphil on Jul 20, 2011 9:38 AM CDT reply actions  

i want to see them hit some dingers.

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by BuehrleMan on Jul 20, 2011 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

That would be nice

but just a timely damn single would make a big difference. I suppose I could dream bigger but the way this season is going is I’ll be satisfied with tiny steps forward.

"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain

by phastphil on Jul 20, 2011 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just hit the ball where they ain't Damn It!

"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain

by phastphil on Jul 20, 2011 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

like the outfield seats.

by obnoxious american on Jul 20, 2011 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

In 15 games in July...we have 8 HR's

In our last 6 games…we have 1 HR. How about some timely HR’s for chrissake?

by Rhubarb on Jul 20, 2011 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

totally disagree.

"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck

by BuehrleMan on Jul 20, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Only one game this month do we have 2 or more HR's.

In June — 8 games, In May — 7 games, In April — 8 games. Strange anomoly.

by Rhubarb on Jul 20, 2011 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

games at the cell sure as shit is

"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza

by BoeJouma on Jul 20, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

7 games, that is

number lock was off

"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza

by BoeJouma on Jul 20, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

6 of our 8 HR's did come at home.

then there is the All-Star Break to consider as well.

by Rhubarb on Jul 20, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

but stoney told me kaufmann was going to be very lively

because of the hot weather.

"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck

by BuehrleMan on Jul 20, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

This.

Particularly when you look at the White Sox correlation between hitting home runs and winning baseball games/divisions/world series.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 20, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

what????

we didnt win a world series by hitting home runs

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by BoeJouma on Jul 20, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

You almost whooshed me there. You almost got me. Almost.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 20, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

talk about racial ambiguity

mercy.

"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza

by BoeJouma on Jul 20, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

She sure is ugly.

"Yeah, it would be nice to get it going a little before the All-Star break." - Adam Dunn on his less-than-stellar year thus far (7/7/11)

by tailgater on Jul 20, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

shoulda been Brady Hoke

So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

by colintj on Jul 20, 2011 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Blow it up

Trade anyone and everyone. I wouldn’t miss a soul.

by striker on Jul 20, 2011 9:50 AM CDT reply actions  

I really don't get this sentiment at all

Why? Because you think they will be in a better spot later on?

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Jul 20, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

I DEMAND ACTION!!!!!

I DEMAND HEADS ON PIKES!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by larry on Jul 20, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

splat

So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

by colintj on Jul 20, 2011 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm just tired of the same old same old from this team.

We spent a bunch of money in the off season and we got worse. I doubt tweaking this team would make a difference. Next month we’ll still be talking about Dunn striking out, Pierre getting caught stealing, no one but Quentin or Konerko hitting with RISP, Peavy getting re-injurred. And yet nothing changes, unless the starting pitcher that night is left handed.

This division is GARBAGE and we can’t win it. The Twins haven’t had Mauer, Morneau, Young and Kubel most of the year and they ARE STILL BETTER THAN OUR $120m team. The Twins and Tigers own us the past two seasons. Sure the Sox will tease you with a sweep of Boston but then they’ll go back to their sucking. It just drives me mad.

by striker on Jul 20, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

what the fuck did you spend all that money for then.

i hold you accountable. quit posting on a blog and fix it.

by larry on Jul 20, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

and youre joewhosh112

i forget who first called you that. i feel as though it were rwshow

"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza

by BoeJouma on Jul 20, 2011 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

team not time

I do this shit far too much

by 815Sox on Jul 20, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

thats true

they are a bunch of sally’s. the only guy with heart has no credibility. maybe if someone would get pissed off once in a while they wouldn’t be such a bunch of lackadaisical jagoffs.

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by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 20, 2011 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

viciedo: .313/.364/.512.

de aza: .329/.383/.511.

everyone wants viciedo up because of his offense. de aza is matching him. sure, de aza is probably getting lucky on BABIP – but viciedo is to an extent, too. plus, you get defense from de aza. and stolen bases (though he hasn’t been as good this year as in the past).

i certainly don’t believe de aza is close to an offensive equal to viciedo. but i don’t think he’s going to be a pushover, either.

by larry on Jul 20, 2011 10:13 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

This is getting ridiculous. Kenny has to do something, soon. You can't just watch this

season fall through your fingers like sand on a beach. Swallow your pride, Kenny. Tell Ozzie to pull Rios, send Morel down and DFA Lilli. Free The Prisoner and his side-kick already. Yeesh.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 20, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Or just find someone to unload Q on already.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 20, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep lets get rid of the 2.7 WAR player

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Jul 20, 2011 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, you aren't going to sign him to a long term deal. He's at his highest value

since his magic year and he in the down of one of his slumps. Then there’s the fact that moving him opens up the field for The Prisoner. So, yeah. It’s not a crazy idea to consider getting rid of the 2.7 war player.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 20, 2011 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

but viciedo probably isn't better.

you’d be making the team worse, unless you’re getting a good 3B in return or something.

by larry on Jul 20, 2011 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

q the to mets for wright

boom, rumor started

"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza

by BoeJouma on Jul 20, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hell, at this point, I'd take Aramis Ramirez over the bullshit

we’ve trotted out at third all year.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 20, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

nope

just stop right there

"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza

by BoeJouma on Jul 20, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Look at the numbers.

2.7 WAR and acceptable fielding. Get the Cubs to throw in some of the money, and I do that deal in a heartbeat.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 20, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't care what the Cubs should be doing.

I’m trying to fix the White Sox. And it’s not like Jim Hendry has established himself as one of the brightest GM light-bulbs around. I realize this is all just pointless rosterbating, but the FO has to change something and I’d say something rather drastically.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 20, 2011 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

i meant stop with the i want aramis talks

should have clarified

"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza

by BoeJouma on Jul 20, 2011 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

rosterbating doesn't have to be pointless.

you made it pointless by proposing something that won’t happen.

hendry isn’t in charge anymore because he will be fired in the offseason. the ricketts will let him run a fire sale. they won’t let him do what you propose.

by larry on Jul 20, 2011 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hendry is going to be fired at the end of the year?

Did you go have drinks with the Ricketts and find out something that NO ONE else has been able to?

"That might be how you roll at Camp Anawanna, Budnick. But where I come from, we only salute Old Glory." -moroots on May 23rd

by South Side Expat on Jul 20, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have made no such assertion.

I’m pointing out that if 2HA is talking Rosterbation, you are being very larry like in shooting him down by using information that we don’t know to be true.

"That might be how you roll at Camp Anawanna, Budnick. But where I come from, we only salute Old Glory." -moroots on May 23rd

by South Side Expat on Jul 20, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

though i agree with you

i must say that if i were jim hendry, i dont think i would know that. hell, i dont even know how to put together a baseball team

"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza

by BoeJouma on Jul 20, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

well played

"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza

by BoeJouma on Jul 20, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

You should care about this
Ramirez has a club option for 2012 that will pay him $16 million, or a $2 million buyout if the Cubs keep him this season and decline his option. If he’s traded, the option automatically vests.

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/columns/story?columnist=greenberg_jon&id=6782152

So, no way in hell it happens.

by 815Sox on Jul 20, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Aramis Ramirez said he would veto any trade

he said he is going to play it out for the Cubs this year. This is what he said.

by Rhubarb on Jul 20, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

sometimes a player actually does mean that.

i would note the obvious: he wouldn’t have to move if he was traded to the white sox.

if he agreed to waive the vesting of the option, he’s extremely attractive to teams. heck, he may even be worth a $16 million option in 2012.

by larry on Jul 20, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I saw that interview, yesterday was it?

Where Aramis mentioned not having to move or live out of a hotel. I actually believe he will veto all trades. It goes with his MO.

by Rhubarb on Jul 20, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

sure. and i would not be surprised at all if he were still on the cubs in september.

but if a-rod died and the yankees called, i’m thinking ramirez might rethink that considering the obvious chance at a ring. atlanta is a significantly shorter flight home to his family in the DR than chicago. bottom line, i don’t believe any player who says they will veto all trades. it’s more likely the trades they’d actually agree to just wouldn’t arise.

by larry on Jul 20, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

god no

He has an option which would cost the team that picks him up 15 million. He is basically untradable.

by 815Sox on Jul 20, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

i admire your persistence

in calling viciedo “the prisoner”. i think you may be on a record setting pace for new nickname repetition in one post. of course it must be done if one wants a nickname to stick. i’m going to try to revive “albondiga” for castro as soon as he’s back from the DL.

"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck

by BuehrleMan on Jul 20, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

WU tried getting Slash to stick for quite some time.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Jul 20, 2011 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

that was just brutal.

"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck

by BuehrleMan on Jul 20, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Why the pony on his stomach?

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 20, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fair point.

But they don’t allow contraband in prison. Just sayin’.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 20, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

BTW

If you open that link at work, make sure to turn down/off your speakers.

by Shinons* on Jul 20, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

like sands through the hourglass

so are the days of our lives.

"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck

by BuehrleMan on Jul 20, 2011 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

bring up both!

Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk

by blackoutsox on Jul 20, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sticking with the White Sox

link

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Jul 20, 2011 10:48 AM CDT reply actions  

Snip (notice trade Quentin is kind of missing) :-)

OK, five reasons they can win the Central:

1. They have the best rotation in the division. The Twins actually have a slightly better rotation ERA, but once you adjust for the homer-friendly confines of the Cell, the White Sox have the best rotation. Detroit may have the best one starter, but Justin Verlander is the only starter they have with an ERA under 4.40. Chicago’s rotation depth will prove key as the season winds down.

2. Once Danks returns from the DL, they have six starters. Edwin Jackson is rumored to be on the trading block. He’s a free agent after the season (as is Mark Buehrle), so he may not bring back much. But maybe the Sox could find a match with another contender and get a hitter with an average above .158 or on-base percentage above .260.

3. The bullpen is deep and solid. The bullpen ERA was 3.36 entering Tuesday, fifth in the AL. The Indians were 3.29 and the Tigers 4.78. But I like Chicago’s power arms: 258 strikeouts in 254 innings, versus Cleveland’s 224 in 276 2/3 innings. Indians closer Chris Perez’s poor 23/18 strikeout/walk ratio is a warning sign (as I mentioned when he was selected to the All-Star team) and he’s allowed runs in three of his past four appearances, drawing two losses in the process.

4. Paul Konerko is raking. He’s not Jose Bautista or Adrian Gonzalez, but he gives the White Sox one of the best hitters in the league. And in 2011, with a deep pitching staff and two hitters like Konerko and Carlos Quentin, you just may be able to score enough runs.

5. It’s the AL Central!

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Jul 20, 2011 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

well we've been saying this since spring training.

and it still hasn’t gotten any better than it was a month ago. when they lose to bruce chen for the 2nd time tonight i say everyone is dumpable.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 20, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

(Ahem).
with a deep pitching staff and two hitters like Konerko and Carlos Quentin, you just may be able to score enough runs

How’s that worked out for us so far?

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 20, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Read the whole article

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Jul 20, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I did. I highlighted that quote because you haven't been able to score enough runs

with two hitters like Konerko and Quentin thus far and since Dunn and Rios show no sign of improving, you have to change something.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 20, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's kind of his point.

OK, look, there’s no way Dunn, Rios and Morel will continue to be this bad. They’ll either play better or Ozzie will start playing other guys.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Jul 20, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

this was in the comments of that article.

I have a good story some White Sox fan might be interested in:
My buddy saw Alex Rios like 3 weeks ago after I think a Twins game. He went up to him and said hey Alex can I get an autograph. Alex looked at him and said," No man, can’t do that."
My buddy asked why but he didn’t answer. Than my buddy said “whatever Alex, all you care bout is money, ever since you got your contract you been garbage.”
Alex than looked at him laughed and winked. Like your right.
 
Than the next game same friend went to the game in the bleachers. This time he yells, “YOU OVERPAID BUM”. Alex turns to my friend and gives him the money sign with his hand. You know like when you take your thumb and you rub it back in forth on your finger tips.
 
Maybe my friend was wrong for what he said, but to me this just shows Alex Rios’s mindset. All he cares about is money. His number will show that. He seems like he doesn’t care and is happy he is getting paid. I could be reading into something that isn’t there. But I don’t think so. And I think it shows what type of person Rios is.

by ndsoxfan on Jul 20, 2011 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

don't put links in the subject tine

"You go up there, against a dog-ass line up AND pitcher, and you don’t do a fucking thing with it. They whip your silly, sorry, saggy ass AGAIN, and you look like fucking bottom-ass, bitch-ass chumps doing it." - 2HA

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 20, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why the fork not?

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Jul 20, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

hah, nice

"You go up there, against a dog-ass line up AND pitcher, and you don’t do a fucking thing with it. They whip your silly, sorry, saggy ass AGAIN, and you look like fucking bottom-ass, bitch-ass chumps doing it." - 2HA

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 20, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is this supposed to be a youtube link to that stupid autogrpah hound getting Rios to swear at him?

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Jul 20, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're a bum!

nice

"You go up there, against a dog-ass line up AND pitcher, and you don’t do a fucking thing with it. They whip your silly, sorry, saggy ass AGAIN, and you look like fucking bottom-ass, bitch-ass chumps doing it." - 2HA

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 20, 2011 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sox

Drop Dunn and Rios, call up Viciedo. It couldn’t be any worse.
That we can only score 2 runs off a nothing pitcher is pathetic.

by Alan Snipes on Jul 20, 2011 11:06 AM CDT reply actions  

danny duffy is kind of a pretty good pitcher.

maybe you didn’t see that mid 90s fastball from the left side. understandable, considering most of the white sox didn’t, either.

by larry on Jul 20, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I enjoy commenters bitching about "random pitchers" destroying us.

Like back at the start of the season when that nobody James Shields struck out 9 in a CG against us. What a bum he is!

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Jul 20, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

There's a difference in complaining when a the number 7 prospect in a loaded farm system or a guy who has struck out at least 160 hitters the last 4 seasons shut you down.

And bitching about losing to a guy like Bruce Chen.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Jul 20, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

i still remember people crying when romero one-hit the sox last year.

they were all like “god, why can’t we hit this bum.”

"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck

by BuehrleMan on Jul 20, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rany, who follows the Royals more closely than all of us combined:

There are going to be some bumps in the road, and Duffy is an extreme flyball pitcher who’s going to give up his share of homers (although Kauffman Stadium will help with that.) But is he better than the alternatives? Absolutely. No one would be surprised if he winds up being the Royals’ best starter the rest of the season.

http://www.ranyontheroyals.com/2011/05/eric-hosmer-and-gathering-horde.html

Win It For WU!

by Chiburb on Jul 20, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

this.

if the game were in the cell, i’d be a bit more concerned about two runs. in kauffman, not as much. they obviously should score more than 2 runs against any team, even if they’re sending halladay, followed by lee, followed by rivera. but this wasn’t bruce fucking chen. duffy is legit.

by larry on Jul 20, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

For $14 mil a year

anyone could close their eyes and swing the bat as hard as they could and top Dunn’s statistics.

by dasox313 on Jul 20, 2011 11:18 AM CDT reply actions  

sigh

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Highly underrated, Mark Kotsay became the best defensive designated hitter in American League history in 2010.

by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 20, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Stick to your House of Usher, dasox.

Silly comments chucked into an already flaming thread will get you smacked.

by winningugly on Jul 20, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Singer. Dancer. Responsible for Justin Beiber.

Had a song called ‘Burn’ about 7 years ago. ‘Flaming’ → fire → burn.

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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 20, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

IM A DENCER

I CEN DENCE!

"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza

by BoeJouma on Jul 20, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hell of a thread, kids. Good form.

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by RWShow on Jul 20, 2011 11:44 AM CDT reply actions  

was thinking this a bit ago too

"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza

by BoeJouma on Jul 20, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow.

Some passionate people here. Sorry the mini methup isn’t this weekend. Would be an interesting sight.

by winningugly on Jul 20, 2011 11:44 AM CDT reply actions  

All Sox fans are angry.

And nobody likes them when they’re angry…

Click on linky to enjoy.

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes...it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.

by lastof12 on Jul 20, 2011 11:56 AM CDT reply actions  

anyone see brandon allen murder the ball last night?

justin upton’s reaction is pretty much perfect. check it out

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by BoeJouma on Jul 20, 2011 11:59 AM CDT reply actions  

hit tracker hasnt updated yet but im betting it crushes princes 486

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by BoeJouma on Jul 20, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

mashed

Trade him for Dunn?

I kiid, I kiid

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by lastof12 on Jul 20, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

tony pena?

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by BoeJouma on Jul 20, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Talk about kicking a man when he's down.. mercy.

See’s a thread of angry Sox fans bickering, does he try to lighten the mood, perhaps mention Phil Humber’s great season? No.. he talks about a Brandon Allen home run. You’re just a bad person BJ. Employment has done terrible things to you.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 20, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure, anybody can hit ONE home run.

But it takes a special talent like Yuniesky Betancourt to hit two home runs.

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by mikecws91 on Jul 20, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

This season has brought out a White Sox meatball contingent that I did not know existed

I thought the element was only present in the deepest of depths of the Chicago Bears and Cubs fanbases…. I have been proven a fool.

by 815Sox on Jul 20, 2011 12:33 PM CDT reply actions  

This thread is a damn hot mess.

"You go up there, against a dog-ass line up AND pitcher, and you don’t do a fucking thing with it. They whip your silly, sorry, saggy ass AGAIN, and you look like fucking bottom-ass, bitch-ass chumps doing it." - 2HA

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 20, 2011 12:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Today's weather in KC

Sunny. Near record high temperatures. Heat index near 110F. High near 100F. Winds S at 10 to 20 mph.

If we hop in the car right now, I think we can make it in time for first pitch.

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by tailgater on Jul 20, 2011 1:40 PM CDT reply actions  

FTHI.

My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.

LET’S GO YOU WHITE SOX!!!!!

by ballyb on Jul 20, 2011 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's a fine sentiment bally

but sometimes the HIFsU.

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by BuehrleMan on Jul 20, 2011 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it hasn't been 100* in Chicago in 7 years.

It’s 96, 98, whatever. Is them saying, “yeah, but it feels like 107*” gonna change anyone’s behavior?

Same for the windchill, 5* and – 10*.

I hate ’em both.

IT’S FUCKING HOT OUT or IT’S FUCKING COLD OUT is all I need to know.

My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.

LET’S GO YOU WHITE SOX!!!!!

by ballyb on Jul 20, 2011 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

And remember the old Scandanavian saying,

“There’s no bad weather……….Only bad clothes.”

My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.

LET’S GO YOU WHITE SOX!!!!!

by ballyb on Jul 20, 2011 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tom Skilling via facebook:
It’s official as of 3:11pm at Midway Airport—the temperature at the South Side site has hit 100-degrees! We’re waiting on O’Hare!

Andy Sisco has spent the last four years in a hospital bed with liquid fire shooting through his veins and small-town malcontent Jim Margalus has nothing to offer him but scorn. ~ big_fun

by e-gus on Jul 20, 2011 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is BS.

I was hoping to move to Chicago some day, in part, to escape this brutal heat and humidity.

"You go up there, against a dog-ass line up AND pitcher, and you don’t do a fucking thing with it. They whip your silly, sorry, saggy ass AGAIN, and you look like fucking bottom-ass, bitch-ass chumps doing it." - 2HA

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 20, 2011 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

uribe is reportedly available...

"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza

by BoeJouma on Jul 20, 2011 2:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Punch me in the face Heyman

Padres closer Heath Bell appeared on ESPN’s Doug Gottlieb show yesterday. He thinks his top three suitors are the Rangers, Phillies, and Cardinals, and believes he’d probably close only for the Cards. SI’s Jon Heyman says the Padres have considered taking draft picks for Bell after the season or re-signing him if they don’t get what they want this month. Heyman lists the Phillies, Reds, Rangers, Cardinals, Pirates, Angels, (and the White Sox and Yankees to a lesser degree) as suitors.

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by Tdogg on Jul 20, 2011 2:11 PM CDT reply actions  

i wonder if management knows they cant out-bullpen teams

if that was the case, they wouldnt be 3 games under .500

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by HawkeyeBoiler on Jul 20, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Someone tell Hawk

your bullpen is only as good as your offense.

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by mikecws91 on Jul 20, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just in case he's reading...
There are changes in an older person that raise the risk for heat stroke and other problems. An older body contains far less water than a younger one. Older brains can’t sense temperature changes as well, and they don’t recognize thirst as easily.

Blistering summer heat is an underappreciated killer, claiming by some estimates as many as 1,000 U.S. lives each year — more than any other type of weather.

One federal study found 40 percent of heat-related deaths were in people 65 and older. Those numbers could be lower if more heeded heat warnings aimed at seniors. Yet research has shown many people over 65 don’t think the warnings apply to them — because they don’t think they’re “old.”

Link

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by Jim Margalus on Jul 20, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is this information for Ozzie or for Vizquel?

White Sox 2011: The season of extraneous body parts.

by greenlight on Jul 20, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

omar

doy

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by BoeJouma on Jul 20, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tonight's line-up suggests it might apply more to Ozzie

neee-wom

White Sox 2011: The season of extraneous body parts.

by greenlight on Jul 20, 2011 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

well our DH can play the field again

so there’s that

Easy chief
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by Jack M on Jul 20, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

wtf?

Why not bat Flowers at DH? Fucker.

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by Tdogg on Jul 20, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

right?

"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza

by BoeJouma on Jul 20, 2011 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting thought

Ozzie should try starting Adam Dunn at DH, the guy can hit for power and average.

by jmc0010 on Jul 20, 2011 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

i dunno about batting for average

but his career ops is attractive to say the least

"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza

by BoeJouma on Jul 20, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Put Che at SS

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Jul 20, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tdogg is ozzie?

alexei totally needs a rest after five straight games after four days off.

alexei is DHing because ozzie wants to get vizquel some action, not because of alexei.

by larry on Jul 20, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

You've been saying so.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 20, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

covered, but just in case

please be sure to read Jim’s post regarding heat related deaths above. We’d hate to lose you WU.

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes...it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.

by lastof12 on Jul 20, 2011 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

In that emergency

Flowers catches and the pitcher bats

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by Tdogg on Jul 20, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Happened in 2007

when Mauer was the starting DH, and Jim Thome’s backswing cracked Mike Redmond’s head open. Matt Garza ended up batting 8th.

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by mikecws91 on Jul 20, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was there. It was awesome. It wound up not mattering.

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by U-God on Jul 20, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I really don’t understand what the stigma is. It’s a freak occurrence, and not worth keeping a catcher out of the lineup every day for.

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by mikecws91 on Jul 20, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ozzie likes to keep an emergency catcher on the bench.

Don’t want Johnny Danks to get Garza-ed. Makes me wonder who the “third catcher” is. I remember it was Rob Mackowiak for a time.

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by mikecws91 on Jul 20, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

konerko

you people….

"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza

by BoeJouma on Jul 20, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're right.

I would’ve put El Duque in there myself.
.333/.333/.333 in his White Sox career.

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by mikecws91 on Jul 20, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you Ozzie!

For FINALLY resting our lefty DH against a lefty pitcher. Kotsay’s been absolutely abysmal when facing lefties. I’d much rather see Andruw Jones in there – he’s got some pop and can hit the occasional home run.

Oh wait a minute – just checked my calendar – it’s 2011 not 2010 – scratch that.

Baseball is life.

by elgonzo4sox on Jul 20, 2011 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

flagged

no one should ever be reminded of this abomination.

by obnoxious american on Jul 20, 2011 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately, last year's DH was more productive.

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-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 21, 2011 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

nice to see larry vs. WSI today

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by blackoutsox on Jul 20, 2011 3:27 PM CDT reply actions  

When larry puts his head down on the pillow tonight his final words of the day will be,

“Today I fought the good fight! Zzzzzzzzzzzzz.”

White Sox 2011: The season of extraneous body parts.

by greenlight on Jul 20, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

larry's not even breathing hard.

You guys shoulda seen him back in 2006-7. Vintage larry.

by winningugly on Jul 20, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

there was a time when I didn't come on this site because of continued reamings by larry.

I like to think I’ve grown a lot since those days.

"You go up there, against a dog-ass line up AND pitcher, and you don’t do a fucking thing with it. They whip your silly, sorry, saggy ass AGAIN, and you look like fucking bottom-ass, bitch-ass chumps doing it." - 2HA

by Shoeless In SC on Jul 20, 2011 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

How long before Kenny trades for Treanor?

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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 20, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

what an uninspiring trade

"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza

by BoeJouma on Jul 20, 2011 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

hawk harrelson demands

that you take that back. did you know brandon inge can hit a golf ball 400 yards?

"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck

by BuehrleMan on Jul 20, 2011 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

they just said wackmaster on 670 when talking about the cubs

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by blackoutsox on Jul 20, 2011 5:03 PM CDT reply actions  

be careful

thats how i got hooked in aught seven

Andy Sisco has spent the last four years in a hospital bed with liquid fire shooting through his veins and small-town malcontent Jim Margalus has nothing to offer him but scorn. ~ big_fun

by e-gus on Jul 20, 2011 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great thread guys.

Kept me entertained while waiting for the game to start.

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by Fergie3108 on Jul 20, 2011 6:40 PM CDT reply actions  

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