This Week in White Sox Minor League Baseball
This week:
The White Sox promoted 3B Juan Silverio to Winston-Salem. Silverio, many will recall, was well-hyped when he signed as a "16 year old" in 2007 for $600,000. Of course, we later learned that Silverio was part of the Dave Wilder bonus-skimming scandal and really only received a $300,000 bonus.
While signed as a shortstop, it was clear after his 2008 pro debut at Bristol that he had no chance to stick at that position. Further, his offense was awful: .228/.265/.321. Of course, sending a teenage international free agent to a stateside rookie affiliate is an aggressive move (let alone one who actually wasn't quite as good as his bonus would suggest); most spend their first season at a club's Dominican academy.
And that's where Silverio went in 2009 because of an age discrepancy that prevented him from obtaining a work visa (his birth date has never been revised). There, he showed his class with a .321/.366/.547 line while transitioning over to third base.
In 2010, he returned stateside, this time to the full season low A affiliate, Kannapolis. He failed again to live up to such an aggressive assignment, with an OPS around .400, and was demoted to extended spring training after a month. He re-emerged with Great Falls and earned a promotion back to Kannapolis after hitting .299/.340/.506. While marginally better than his first stint, he still was pretty bad, ending up with an overall season line for the Intimidators of .200/.237/.336. All the while, he racked up prodigious error totals.
Returning to Kannapolis for 2011, his offense was much improved: .289/.331/.459, while also leading the Sally with 29 doubles. Unfortunately, he also led the Sally (and all the Low A leagues) with 28 errors.
His transition to High A has been smooth so far: in 4 games, 8-16, 2 2B, 3B. HBP. But he's continued to pile up the errors with 2 so far. His offense, coupled with his (alleged) age compared to league, makes Silverio a fringe prospect in the system. It looks like third base will not be his long-term position but his bat could play at a corner outfield position, should the White Sox eventually go in that direction. Silverio may still end up being worth the fraud committed on the organization.
- 3B Rangel Ravelo was promoted to Kannapolis to replace Silverio. The 19 year old Ravelo was a sixth round pick in 2010 and batted .384/.410/.507 for Bristol this season. Definitely a sleeper prospect to keep an eye on.
- CF Keenyn Walker will be promoted to Kannapolis following the completion of Great Falls' road trip to Walker's native Utah on Wednesday. In 11 games, he's batting .378/.451/.578.
- Robin Ventura started his job yesterday as a special adviser to farm director Buddy Bell. He's watching Charlotte this weekend. Maybe he can talk to Buddy about a couple of the more under the radar guys he'll be seeing, like Dayan Viciedo (.307/.364/.501) or Alejandro De Aza (.325/.383/.503).
- Kevin Goldstein: "Double-A outfielder Brandon Short is a hitting machine with gap power and the ability to play left, center, and right, giving him all but a guaranteed role as a future fourth outfielder." On the season, the 22 year old is hitting .276/.331/.438 with 21 stolen bases in 24 attempts.
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do you agree with Goldstein's assessment of Short?
seems friendly.
Easy chief
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i agree with the conclusion.
the description is a bit much. a “hitting machine” would have a better line. i also have heard from multiple people that CF is a stretch for him. however, he does possess speed so perhaps he can cover for his lack of instincts, as well as maybe develop better instincts as he gains experience. i tend to think guys are either centerfielders or they’re not and you can’t really develop them, but i’d assume their would be exceptions.
Are recent draftees with Keenyn's experience usually put into low A a month after being drafted?
"You go up there, against a dog-ass line up AND pitcher, and you don’t do a fucking thing with it. They whip your silly, sorry, saggy ass AGAIN, and you look like fucking bottom-ass, bitch-ass chumps doing it." - 2HA
many don't sign until closer to the deadline so there's that.
he doesn’t really seem to be having much of a problem with the pioneer league. it may be a tad aggressive, but that’s the white sox modus operandi with their prospects. i don’t have any issue with the promotion. now, if they send him to winston-salem to start 2012…
sorry, I dunno wtf happened (see above)
I posted my response 10 hours after you responded, and when I did the page hadn’t auto-updated your post to show it. Then after I posted, about 20 new comments appeared. weird.
Anyway, thanks for the info. Was just trying to put his progress into perspective.
"You go up there, against a dog-ass line up AND pitcher, and you don’t do a fucking thing with it. They whip your silly, sorry, saggy ass AGAIN, and you look like fucking bottom-ass, bitch-ass chumps doing it." - 2HA
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 23, 2011 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions
anyone? bueller? or dumb question?
"You go up there, against a dog-ass line up AND pitcher, and you don’t do a fucking thing with it. They whip your silly, sorry, saggy ass AGAIN, and you look like fucking bottom-ass, bitch-ass chumps doing it." - 2HA
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 23, 2011 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe its just me...
But we keep getting these power hitting corner infielders and have to move them to the outfield because of their glove. I know the American League is not strong nor deep with quality third baseman, but its not like trying to replace Konerko at first. We are still trying to replace Crede and i thought that wouldn’t be too difficult. I like Morel, and I hope he does turn into Crede 2.0, but I have lowered my expectations to a solid defense, bottom of the order offense.
Lowering expectations is always a good thing.
Then you can be pleasantly surprised!
Win It For WU!
by Chiburb on Jul 23, 2011 9:24 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I thought the expectation was predominantly defense.
The lack of production from Dunn and Rios has unfairly made more noticeable Morels weak bat. I still would give Teahen most of the playing time at 3rd.
If you chase two rabbits both will escape!
by JofpGallagher on Jul 23, 2011 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
if they arent going to send him down the may as well play morel
Teahen: .207/.285/.315
Morel: .241/.263/.319
what the fuck is the difference. at least morel plays a tad better 3rd base. Neither one of them is good enough to play on a serious contender. might as well stick with the young guy.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
come on, don't do that.
you seriously think that teahen’s 123 plate appearances this season is representative of what he will continue to produce? coming into this season he had a .career 746 OPS.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
thats highly fueled by what he did in 2006
thats 5 years ago. since he’s been on the white sox his ops is 674. like i said neither one of them are worthy of a spot. don’t know whats with your hard on for teahen… he’s awful.
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he's had fewer than 400 PAs on the sox. in over 2700 PAs before joining the sox his OPS was .749.
he’s had to deal with injuries the last year and a half. if jim is right that his defense is better because he’s healthier then i am expecting that he will hit closer to his career norm as well. and he still looks hitterish to me.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
if he looked as hitterish as you say he looks he wouldn't have the line i posted.
all i am saying is i don’t think teahen is the answer to anything. if they aren’t going to send down morel, which is the move to make, then they may as well play him. it does no good to leave him sit on the bench and come in for defense in the 8th inning. vizquel could do that.
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small sample size.
but i do agree that the move to make is to send morel down.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
You may be right
considering the last 30 days, they have pretty similar numbers and at bats… Curiously, Morel has 1 error and Teahen zero. Morel has a tad bit better average, but Teahen has more RBIs, Runs, Slugging, OPS… Teahen strikesout more. My point with giving Teahen more playing time, is that Teahen hits better (IMO) than Morel and considering how our team is hitting, and minor upgrade is welcome.
If you chase two rabbits both will escape!
by JofpGallagher on Jul 23, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh geeez... I just realized that Morel has only 16 RBIs
Mike Aviles who missed more than 1 month has 30 RBIs….even ageless reserve infielder Miguel Cairo has 18 (2 more RBIs) with about 100 at bets less. I better stop comparing. I like Morel.
If you chase two rabbits both will escape!
by JofpGallagher on Jul 23, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
he's terrible too.
if the sox are serious contenders they’d go get aramis ramirez like that dude suggested yesterday. i don’t think they are though and i doubt kenny/jerry think so either.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Aramis Ramirez doesn't make this a championship team.
It’d be a waste to acquire him.
"I have no patience for the homeless. Get your old, stinky ass out!" - Terry Boers
well it would cover up one of the many zits the lineup has.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
So let's spend another $24MM over the next two years on a guy who can't stay healthy
to try and fix that.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
you'd have to get him to drop his clause for next year.
i’m not saying do it. but he is hitting .300 with 20 homers and has bit on fire lately.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
It automatically vests if he's traded.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
i've read that it can be changed though if he agrees to something different
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
I don't see a 33 year old with an injury history like his
turning down a guaranteed $17MM for next season.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
he might turn it down to be traded to a better team
it’s a point to be negotiated. it’s not entirely out of bounds.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
it's not just you.
it is just you, however, who may find it unique to the white sox. 90% of position players in the majors were either shortstops, centerfielders or catchers when they were high school seniors. players move down the defensive spectrum because (i) they face tougher competition and they simply aren’t that good at the position and (ii) their bodies mature and they can’t play the position anymore.
yah i even played shortstop before moving to first base in my 10 year old season.
:-)
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
you were only good because you were a big oaf!
So, I say this more with admiration than anything else: I love that Kenny Williams went out and acquired the two worst players in the American League so far this year. - Joe Posnanski
were?
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
oops reply fail
oh fuck it.
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by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 23, 2011 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Sox don't seem shy
when it comes to challenging prospects with assignments and promotions.
when life gives you lemons you try to make lemonade i suppose.
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NOT-SO HOT SHEET
• Jared Mitchell, cf, White Sox. The 23rd overall pick in 2009, Mitchell won national championships in football and baseball with Louisiana State and took home most outstanding player honors at the ‘09 College World Series. He ranked as Chicago’s top prospect heading into 2010 and was one of the most athletic players at White Sox camp that spring—but then he tore a tendon in his left ankle, forcing him to miss all of last season. Now 22, Mitchell has struggled mightily to make contact with high Class A Winston-Salem, striking out 128 times in his first 91 games. He hit rock bottom this past week, going 1-for-22 with 11 strikeouts. Mitchell has shown some pop upon his return—37 of his 77 hits have gone for extra bases—but his speed appears to have tapered off as he is just 6-for-10 in stolen bases. It’s shaping up as an uphill battle for Mitchell to return to elite prospect status.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/prospect-hot-sheet/2011/2612126.html
so how far along should silverio be at this point?
is he on schedule?
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
if you believe his age, he's ahead of schedule.
even if you tack on a year, he’s about on schedule.
from old boss:
Age vs. League
While Age vs. League is not the most important factor in statistical-based prospect evaluation, it is, however, the first thing I look at when I first take a look at a prospect’s numbers. A player’s age vs. his competition level gives context to their stats.
As a very general guideline I like to use the following progression for a player:
AAA — 23
AA — 22
A+ — 21
A — 20
If you’ll notice those ages are considerably younger than the average ages of each respective league. That’s because most players in professional baseball will never reach the major leagues. And when we’re talking about prospects, we’re looking to identify future major leaguers.
A player with a solid minor league record posted at the above ages and levels would most likely be considered a prospect, maybe not an elite prospect, but the type of player you can reasonably expect to become a major league regular in the future.
Players who are a year or two younger than the listed age at each level, while still producing adequately, are usually projected to be future stars. There’s a reason most Hall of Famers hit the major leagues before age 21.
On the other side of the coin, a player who is a couple of years older than the ages listed above shouldn’t be completely ignored, but you need to take their age into account. If I see a 23 year old dominating in Winston-Salem (A+), for instance, I’d like to see him promoted more quickly than a younger player with similar production; make him prove his production at a higher level.
http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/4/2/817544/statistical-prospect-evaluation
id love to see one of the guys from the whole scandalous incident make it.
So, I say this more with admiration than anything else: I love that Kenny Williams went out and acquired the two worst players in the American League so far this year. - Joe Posnanski
i think he is the only one left.
rafi reyes, an “outfielder” was the other expensive signing, i think $525K, and he’s gone. he put up a .505 OPS for the white sox’ dominican club. they tried him as a pitcher down there last season and that didn’t work out, either. his numbers are comical. i mean, this kid literally was not worth a ham sandwich as a signing bonus.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=reyes-004raf
at least silverio appears to have been a somewhat legitimately talented player when he was signed (he just got way more than what he should have); obviously, he’s performed well enough.
here’s a story from a few years ago about the kids at the white sox academy. it’s pretty sad.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/22/sports/baseball/22dominican.html?pagewanted=print
Hey, remember when I said that no outlet had mentioned Alejandro De Aza since March?
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/6655970-419/ozzie-wont-back-away-from-calling-out-team.html
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20110721/sports/707219763/
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by Jim Margalus on Jul 23, 2011 12:21 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
come on jim thats strictly a coincidence.
no actual writers with access would read what a basement dweller is writing. unheard of!
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
funny how that works out
So, I say this more with admiration than anything else: I love that Kenny Williams went out and acquired the two worst players in the American League so far this year. - Joe Posnanski

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