Peavy after 75, and what about De Aza?
by Jim Margalus on Jul 27, 2011 5:30 AM CDT
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PrintThe postgame scrum after the White Sox's 5-4 loss to Detroit on Tuesday took a fascinating turn when Jake Peavy's endurance became the top subject:
Entering the game, opponents had a .457 batting average (21-for-46) against Peavy from pitch 76 to 100. In the sixth inning of games this season, Peavy entered with a 9.82 ERA.
On Monday he tripped the 75-pitch marker in the fifth inning, finishing the night with 111 pitches over six innings. [...]
At the surface, the logical move would seem to be that Peavy is removed after 75 pitches. But should the White Sox’s decision be so black and white? Peavy made quick work of the fifth inning but got into trouble quickly in the sixth.
"Right now I worry about innings more than pitches," manager Ozzie Guillen said. "Right now I don’t think is the time for us to worry about guys throwing too many pitches because of the way we use the bullpen."
Brett Ballantini was most incredulous in response:
Ozzie's thought that he goes by "innings" rather than "pitches" is one of the most inscrutable, enigmatic answers he's ever given.
Ozzie: "Don’t kno how many pitches he had when I took him out, but when they scored 3 runs he went thru a lot of probs" (ergo, REMOVE HIM!)
It's awesome to see strategy and decisions scrutinized, but I'm not thinking this one is such a big deal. Endurance is a problem for Peavy, but it's not a unique one. Earlier in this season, John Danks also hit a wall in the sixth inning, or after 75 pitches, but he has gotten past it, completing seven innings in his last four starts.
In this case, Peavy started the sixth at 83 pitches after an easy fifth, and that usually isn't start-warming-a-pitcher territory. I'd probably call the official start-the-bullpen when the first two runners reached, and that was only six pitches in. By the 11th pitch, the Tigers had four singles, two runs, and runners on the corners with nobody out.
Peavy got ambushed. He lost the lead on his own accord.
Where I scratch my head is his final pitch count. Seventeen pitches took place after Peavy lost the lead, including a four-pitch intentional walk of Alex Avila when Will Ohman was ready in the bullpen, which extended his night by eight pitches, well after his slider lost his bite.
It's one thing to try to work Peavy through the 75-pitch barrier, especially if the Sox are going to trade one of their six starters and need Peavy to deliver. It's another to throw him over the 110-pitch barrier, especially when he has yet to successfully bounce back from that big of a night this season.
And speaking of trading a starter, Alejandro De Aza was lifted from Tuesday night's Charlotte game shortly after it started, which fired up the rumor mill. The only thing to come of it was one that showed up in my Twitter feed: Edwin Jackson and Mark Teahen to Toronto for Jason Frasor and a minor leaguer.
I didn't pay much heed until MelidoPerez (SSSer, not the actual guy, although maybe it is!) pointed out that it originated from the whitesox.com message board, and the guy behind it nailed the first Peavy trade a day before it happened, and supposedly the Orlando Cabrera-Jon Garland trade before that.
Given that there's a little bit of a track record, what's separating it from the Colby Rasmus rumor? That one had the vaunted "several sources familiar with the situation;" this one only has one, but combine it with a corresponding mystery move, earlier interest in a right-handed reliever and confusing trades from previous summers, and there's at least a possibility of fire behind this smoke.
Unlike the Rasmus rumor, I'm not going to write 1,000 words about it yet, because I don't have a larger point that's independent of the specific not-yet-Sox. But my first impression is that this deal feels like getting a pair of slacks on Christmas morning. On some level, I might need them, but not now, and not for this. Heeeey. Slaaaacks. Thaaaaaanks.
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I have had too many IPAs tonight
but i am half way in favor of the youth route but the other half does not trust Kenny to do it. If the Sox could just play half(!)way consistent this would not be worth talking about
Where the white women at?
They're at 50-52. They're about exactly half consistent.
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 27, 2011 7:50 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
After a while you build up a tollerance for IPAs
And the morning after is not as bad
3 things in life I care about
Sox, Colts, and Hawks.
Lifetime banners: '05, '07, '10
This.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 27, 2011 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Meh.
I can only drink about 1 IPA before I want something much less hoppy.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2011 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I plan on celebrating my final day at my current job (which I hate)
with a 4-pack of Lake Erie Monster.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
At this point...
If the White Sox somehow suck their way into the playoff picture (it’s not hard), Peavy is the 5th starter that goes to the bullpen.
I know, Peavy ought to be the ace of this staff, throwing one-hitter after one-hitter, but he ain’t. And if somebody would remind Alex Rios that he’s not a 19th century dandy fop, it might become more clear-cut.
sideways smiley face
Kenny wants tossed salad and scrambled eggs?
What?! I ain't no Professor Pickles!
by 67WMAQ on Jul 27, 2011 6:56 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
This team needs to be blown up. They suck.
This team isn’t even .500.
Jason Frasor because? That's the best you can get for Jackson?
Yeah, maybe it depends on the minor leaguer.
I’m underwhelmed.
Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?
Someone from Wheaton
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 27, 2011 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Wait so we traded Hudson
For Jason Frasor?
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
by Tdogg on Jul 27, 2011 7:33 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
ugh
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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2011 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Hudson, Fields and Getz
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 27, 2011 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions
anyone catch rosenthal's blog. seems like this is purely a salary dump coming from reinsdorf
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
Slacks?
More like argyle socks.
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
i love argyle socks
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Jul 27, 2011 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions
For Xmas?
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
i've asked for them before
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Jul 27, 2011 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions
they have to take jackson
de aza is who they really want. so they can rub it in KW’s face that they took his best CF and the white sox still have rios.
by larry on Jul 27, 2011 8:13 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Is it legally okay for me to start drinking at 9:00am at my job?
I don’t operate any heavy machinery.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
yes perfectly ok
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
dump some bailey's in that coffee
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Jul 27, 2011 9:23 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
don't veer that printer off into a school bus
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 27, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Hey! It's noon somewhere
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
I thought I read Jackson and Teahen to Toronto
Why would Toronto want either of them. I didn’t realize De Aza to Toronto. I read it as moving Teahen opened up a roster spot for De Aza.
Laugh now.. you'll be crying next year
When he’s starting in the all star game next to teammate Jose Bautista.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Ozzie thinks this team has more talent than the 2005 team.
I’m almost inclined to agree, depending on the actual potential of Dunn and Rios. Thoughts?
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2011 8:48 AM CDT reply actions
If Adam Dunn played well and Rios played like he did in his prime.
And Viciedo or De Aza was the left fielder, and Beckham reached the potential we thought he had, then yeah, I’d probably agree.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2011 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Aside from third base, if this team performed even like last year for all players, I would concur
Our manager wears 13, we were supposedly cursed, and we wear black. Let's play.
by ChiSoxRox on Jul 27, 2011 9:27 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
On paper, hell yea it's more talented.
In practice, however….
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 27, 2011 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Speaking of 2005 I've seen a bunch of trade rumors about Wandy Rodriguez
Who, if I’ve figured it out correctly, is the last remaining Astro from that World Series roster.
Our manager wears 13, we were supposedly cursed, and we wear black. Let's play.
by ChiSoxRox on Jul 27, 2011 8:58 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Must Win?
I absolutely hate this consept and phrase, but if people truely do belivee in the montra of a must win game, isnt todays game in that mold?
As far as the frasor rumor, the guy who posted on the sox board does actually have a pretty impressive record of breaking stuff so I am atleast buying its been discuessed, the sox have wanted an extra righty bullpen arm all year if you follow some of the rumors, and eliminating jackson and teahen does clear some salary up possibly for other moves at the deadline. Not positive why Toronto would have interest in a rental like jackson but if the trade went down today or tomorrow they could flip him off on another team relatively easy or take the type b compensation at the end of the year….
yep here you go
Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
Sources: #WhiteSox in serious talks on EJax, Teahen to #BlueJays for Frasor and prospect. Danks, Floyd also on market. #tradedeadline #MLB
"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza
any chance the prospect would be worthwhile or just filler?
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
just came here to post that
Danks and Floyd are also on the market? To be replaced by who? I still really don’t understand why the Sox would pick up another reliever. Bruney seems fine, Crain has been great.
i'll believe it when i see it
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
maybe jerry just wants to blow it all up
I mean even the fans aren’t enjoying watching this team. Imagine having to watch it and lose money because of it
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Jul 27, 2011 9:25 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
blow it up
with old less useful players or guys whose contracts are almost up, floyd and danks can be apart of any rebuilding plan…
oh i agree
But its also why they can fetch something good in a trade. I have a feeling jerry has seen enough of this team and is done with them
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Jul 27, 2011 9:34 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
oh i agree
But its also why they can fetch something good in a trade. I have a feeling jerry has seen enough of this team and is done with them
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Jul 27, 2011 9:36 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
i think jerry will somehow manage to scrape by.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
so he should be ok spending $120M on an average team?
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Jul 27, 2011 9:38 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
sunk cost. or go all in and try to win a winnable division.
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
sunk cost so far this year. all you have to look forward to is the rest of the season and
whether you put up the white flag and lessen the financial losses or try and win the division and get deep into the playoffs
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
what what?
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
The question was why spend $120MM on an average team
You said it was a sunk cost which it isn’t and then something totally incoherant in the context of the discussion
sunk cost in regards to payroll already spent to this point
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
But Jerry obviously doesn't want to throw good money after bad so what is your point?
He can minimize his loss by dumping salary. Why wouldn’t he since his team is win-averse?
cause the division is winnable unless you don't believe that
either you can win and you spend a little more or it isn’t and you raise the white flag and try to save some money.
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
no, but saying that he is spending $120M is pointless
Who cares how much is spent? At the end of the day how much is earned/lost?
The point is he is paying for the good team but getting a mediocre one
That would piss anyone off and motivate them to minimize their loss
Maybe letting it be known that Danks or Floyd can be had
is a ruse to get the phones to ring. When he answers, Kenny describes Jax taking the mound for the Pirates to their GM. Before you know it, we have a new farm system!
sideways smiley face
by TasteeFreeze on Jul 27, 2011 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
i like building the farm system, but this division can still be won; just need rios and dunn on the bench
i hate to give up down by only 4.5 to the tigers.
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
can't tell if you agree or not. sure we can be back by 10 in a week or so or we could actually
get back above .500 and possibly into first by the first week of august
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
if this goes down
I’m going to have to do a search on LTHForum for a the best crow in town.
by Titan52 on Jul 27, 2011 9:26 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
Sources: #WhiteSox in serious talks on EJax, Teahen to #BlueJays for Frasor and prospect. Danks, Floyd also on market. #tradedeadline #MLB
by Mozgov_Cocktail on Jul 27, 2011 9:17 AM CDT reply actions
logic killers for $500 - "I think we have a better ball club right now than in ’05, talking about man-to-man,"
who is ozzie guillen?
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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2011 9:22 AM CDT reply actions
As mentioned upthread
It makes sense on paper
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
sorry
i’m da man
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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2011 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
yes I am, but I can't help but love you so!
bah-dum DUMMM
bah-dum DUMMM
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 27, 2011 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree with him
On paper he is correct, if people played like they were supposed too.
Meatballs are going to go fucking nuts over this though. “DEY WON DA WORLD SERIES. HOW DER DAT GUY SAY DAT”
Frasor
He is signed for one more year right?
thanks
by itself thats a team friendly deal for a solid setup guy
Because we don't already have solid set up guys
WTF are we the Twins?
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
you gotta admire the way they do business
"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza
I was thinking "respect"
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 27, 2011 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
.
http://mlbbuzz.yardbarker.com/blog/mlbbuzz/what_ken_williams_was_really_saying/5736832
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
Starting to feel real
Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
Sources tell @jonmorosi that #WhiteSox-#BlueJays deal is close. Jackson, Teahen to TOR. Frasor-plus to CWS. Money could be in deal. #MLB
if this happens i will flat out call for kenny's head
"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza
likewise especially after the allen for pena deal
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
with a deal like this
unless the +1 is lawrie which would fill our 3b void, this is a horrible way to cut costs when we are in striking distance of taking the division
"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza
maybe its the only way to get rid of Teahen
Who knows, I am sure KW is working with what he is given
To argue:
KW is working with what he is given made. Fixed.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 27, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I refuse to blame KW for assembling this team
99.9 percent of us thought this team was going to be very very good. How was he supposed to know Dunn and Rios were going to totally suck.
Not saying I like this trade, but what did you expect?
this team is astoundingly good
the just arent playing like it
"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza
If Rios hit .250 and Dunn hit .230
They would be running away with the division.
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 27, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah.. I'm not happy with the job Ozzie has done this year.
But the team put together at the start of the season, certainly looked decent on paper.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2011 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
rios one might have had an inkling.
but, yes, this wasn’t/isn’t a poorly constructed team, particularly for this divsion.
Rios has reached depths this year that I think surprised us all
He could be bad, but this bad? I certainly didn’t think so
How in the WORLD do you not blame KW for this team?
His mistakes are ALL OVER IT. He just shipped TWO mistakes out of town. Ozzie just benched another one. A fourth KW mistake pitched last night.
by LorenzoBandini on Jul 27, 2011 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I hate dealing for relievers, especially when our bullpen is not a problem
but a salary dump wouldn’t be the worst thing
I shant be misled a second time
He is a bucket of balls.
The trade was:
1 pitcher with an expiring contract for another pitcher with an expiring contract
1 “prospect” for taking some of the rest of Teahen’s bad paper.
by LorenzoBandini on Jul 27, 2011 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't believe nobody else is seeing this!
Jax and Teahan for Frasor +1. Frees up a roster spot, with which you sign Minnie Minoso for a record setting appearance. Let him wear Teahan’s number, just to show disrespect.
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 27, 2011 9:34 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
my admittedly less than high-placed sources
say de aza is indeed in town. a pitcher also on the way from parts unknown.
Well with Teehans gone, obviously Viciedo will be switching back to 3B now.
Right larry?
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2011 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions
larry's bus driver does not know the answer to that question
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 27, 2011 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions
does he know how to play cf?
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
Isn't this the sox that have great pitching but need bats? why trade for more bullpen help
and save me the “your offense is only as good as your bullpen” crap. we need bats
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
can you send dayan with him
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
a hurt dayan is still better than a non-hurt dunn
i’m just being facetious about dayan
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
I don't think anyone here really believes the bullpen/offense line.
We just make fun of Hawk with it.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 27, 2011 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions
joe cowley doesn't even put his name on this
typical piece of shit article
kenny’s a coward!! ooooohhhh
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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2011 9:35 AM CDT reply actions
Kenny "Hollywood" Williams?
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 27, 2011 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Kinda funny that he's taken on Mariotti's shtick
of trying to sell everybody on a nickname.
Whales! Squids! Sharks! They're everywhere! Hello, I am Poseidon! Now, when people told me I was crazy that thinly sliced roast beef would be a delicious fast-food option, I knew it was the greatest idea, and you can thank me later for Arby's.
by Jim Margalus on Jul 27, 2011 9:46 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I kind of like the ring of Joe "Teeth-swallower" Cowley
Cowley seems to want to get punched by somebody. then he can squeal like a little victim.
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 27, 2011 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Cowley seems like the kind of dbag who would at least fight you over his opinions.
He’s a bitch and an asshole, but I think he genuinely believes what he writes. Mariotti was a total POS. I wouldn’t put Cowley on the same level.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 27, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
he's getting there
in the context of ‘journalistic’ standards, not women abusing standards
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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Then he a snivelling little follower
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 27, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Wait....what?
No, the way this team was constructed, the promises that were made to players who waved no-trade clauses to come here and the "All in" campaign that was shoved down the throats of Sox fans, everyone deserves more than what they got from Williams on Monday.
Who the hell waived a no-trade to come here?
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 27, 2011 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Ugh, I'd almost forgetten about him.
He mentions “players” plural. Who else? Rios didn’t have any say in the matter, neither did Teahen or Jackson.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 27, 2011 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
clearly he means Manny Ramirez
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
I was thinking Tony Pena Jr.
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 27, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
What are the rules with no-trade clauses and waivers?
I don’t know and this site provides me the fastest access to sources I believe.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 27, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
don't take the no trade part literally.
it’s really a “no assignment of my contract to another team” clause. meaning you can’t use waivers to get around it.
Apparently, Joe Cowley
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 27, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
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"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza
Frasor's not awful.
Roughly similar rate stats as Jackson, fewer hits but more HR/9. Big difference is simply in IP, 120 for Jackson vs. 40 for Frasor.
Interestingly, Jackson’s compiled 2.1 WAR already. Isn’t that already basically paying for his salary this season?
It seems like a rather lateral salary move that really doesn’t take full advantage of the leverage we have with 6 capable starters. We should be getting more out of this situation.
2011 White Sox Baseball: We Should Be Getting More Out of This Situation.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 27, 2011 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
It has to be all about the prospect, no?
I realize Frasor isn’t Tony Pena, but a 33 year old relief pitcher for one of the best starting pitchers on the market doesn’t seem to make much sense.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
if this is kw blockbuster move, i'm gonna lose it.
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
Are you being serious or sarcastic?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Really? He's overpaid, but it's not like it's Alex Rios contract?
I guess when you’re carrying other deadweight, every bit helps.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Teahen has been below replacement level for multiple years now.
And is still owed over 7-million dollars. If we’re not sending any cash along, I do not see why Toronto would have to include any prospect of note.
exactly, has to be + cash to toronto
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
yea
taking 5.5 million of teahen off our hands is worth a lot atleast in my opinion, im hoping its for a good prospect as well but thats a nice chunk of money off the books next year
but we probably have to send cash with teahen depending on who the prospect is
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
That doesn't seem right.
If we’re sending cash, we might as well just keep Teahen. At 2 or 3 million next year he’s not a bad utility player.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
he is owed $5.5M next year
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
Yes, I understand basic finance...
If we gave them cash say two million for example, that’d mean we’re paying Teahen two million to not play for us or we could just pay 3 more million on top of that to have him be our utility man. At that price might as well just keep him for the extra three million and get a better prospect from Toronto.
If it’s only 500k or something, so be it.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Did you forget Ozzie seems to have this problem with
letting go of inferior players? No let Teabag be gone.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
I'd rather send some money to Toronto then keep Teahen for $5M.
Still leaves money for other players.
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
Depends how much cash we send.
And some of that money saved has to go to finding a serviceable utility man to replace Teahen. Considering the White Sox farm system, you’re probably looking at a million or so right there.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Lilli?
Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?
Fair enough, 500K+ I assume?
I’m still unimpressed with the deal. Saving a couple million and adding a 33 year old relief pitcher doesn’t seem to do much for this team. The prospect has to be pretty good for me to see how you justify trading one of the best available starting pitchers for a relief pitcher if you’re sending cash along with Teahen.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Unless Frasor gets flipped. We'll see.
Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?
.
Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets that this deal is close but not complete, because the money exchange requires approval and the Jays are trying to spin Jackson to another team.
http://twitter.com/#!/Joelsherman1/statuses/96234019347378176
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
Don't worry. It's Toronto. He'll just start his swing earlier and won't stop hitting homeruns.
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 27, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
They must have decided that they like Edwin Encarnacion so much
That they want a second Edwin Encarnacion
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
my reaction would hinge on the +1
Someone like Deck McGuire or one of their catchers and I won’t want to steal Buehrle’s truck and flatten Kenny’s car
by Titan52 on Jul 27, 2011 9:54 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
unless the cards can fetch more or are asking more for rasmus?
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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah this is what i have to think is happening
otherwise kenny better be all over jackson for rasmus deal
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
#dbacks talking to blue jays about jason frasor. Could happen.
http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman/status/96229055636062210
now it’s clear. jays flipping jackson for hudson. makes sense.
Ha, BM.
He’s gonna be all sad about Teehans.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
nah.
truthfully i wouldn’t miss him at all.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
Dammit BM.
I know you’re sad on the inside.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 27, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
not sad
so much as angry.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
Oh, you're also racist, according to Bless You Boys
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 27, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
They've sold me
I hate me and all Wsox fans.
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 27, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
haha.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
thanks for attempting to defend me though.
i was thinking of using “rain dance” instead but i think someone used that in the game thread. i probably would have been called racist for that too.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
i understand that. i was just fooling around and it happened to be the first thing that came to my mind. it wasn't meant to make sense really, just to sound silly.
i was trying to convey the fact that i found his post game gesticulations unnecessarily vigorous.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
There's gotta be an african-american person here who can absolve you
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 27, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I have a soft spot for Tigers fans.
They’re like that pathetic little kid on the playground who was always talking shit and losing, but was too sad to just beat the crap out of. And how they hate us more than the Twins baffles me-we’ve never cost them the division.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 27, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
People who will perpetually blame Coleman Young for white flight
and every single problem of Detroit shouldn’t really worry about racially tinged phrases that other people use.
I love Detroit. It’s a tragic city. I always try to stop by American or LaFayette Coney Island downtown whenever I’m there. Always gotta drive by the fist. They’re beyond a chip on their shoulders. There is no romance to Detroit. They pine for something they don’t want. There will be no yuppie gentrification of any part of Detroit. They try to unincorporate sections, because it costs too much to have police drive through vacant neighborhoods. As a city, Detroit is dead.
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 27, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I love the lack of a glove on the fist.
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Caller on sports radio made a point
Could Sox be bringing in Frasor to allow Thornton to be dealt to Cards?
just heard that too.
Thatd be an interesting move.
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Jul 27, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
why wouldn't the cards just trade with toronto themselves
or do a 3 team deal between the sox, cardinals and bluejays?
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
Because Toronto might want Edwin Jacskon.. not what the Cardinals have.
And two, two way deals are probably easier than a three way deal.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
thornton + de aza for rasmus?
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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
cardinals may not be trading rasmus if berkman's injury is serious.
i wouldn’t be banking on that one if i were KW. could get left at the altar for a second year in a row.
Signing Mark Teahen
was a “head scratcher”, so I guess to trade him on a “head scratcher” deal only makes sense.
Somehow?
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
see nick swisher
think about it, get back to us
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by BoeJouma on Jul 27, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That wasn't a head scratcher, that was a
“taking it in the ass in public” followed by an STD contraction followed by a kick in the rocks by an ugly hooker.
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-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 27, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
some hookers have a nice way of kicking balls
it’s totally worth the $20
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 27, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Licking is better.
Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?
Nick Swisher was not that kind of hooker.
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-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 27, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, to be a fly on the wall
to know what the “thinking” is on some these deals. Or lack there of.
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
exactly
trading getz and fields for teahen, netted us at the time the clear cut best player, the immediate extention for a guy under arbitration still was completely idiotic, one of the worst moves in the kenny tenure (i really mean that)
yeah extension was stupid move, no one on here will defend that.
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
Going to today's game...
Gonna bring sunscreen and a heaping bowl full of uncertainty.
And an umbrella.
Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?
You know what. The Sox better freaking win today
All the Jackson stuff aside, hearing Danks and Floyd mentioned makes me nervous. Get back to 3.5 out.
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Let the church say amen!
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
A couple months late, but I'll take it.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Just in time!
Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?
I'm nervous.
Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?
i like that you know this
yet its not even announced that hed been called up hahaha
"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza
He knew about Pena 2 weeks ago.
Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?
no he didnt
made and educated guess and was right
"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza
Don't be picking at nits. Give credit where it's due.
Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?
rec'd rec'd rec'd rec'd rec'd
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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
De Aza isnt in the Knights lineup, so he better be in the Sox
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Jul 27, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Why am I the only one to see this...?
Frasor is obviously the conversation starter for a trade to the Nationals for Matt Stairs.
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 27, 2011 10:02 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
We don't trade for Nationals left-handed hitters.
Not any more.
De Aza batting 8th!!!
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Ozzie already doing it wrong.
See my sig.
Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?
by Chiburb on Jul 27, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
As for your sig
prolly not as hard as it sounds.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Pierre lf, vizquel 3b, PK dh, Dunn 1b, Quentin rf, AJ c, ramirez ss, de aza cf, Beckhan 2b, Danks p
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Bye-bye Teahen.
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 27, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Keeping it warm for Ryan Zimmerman
…just sayin’
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 27, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Omar needs the practice now that Teabags is gone.
Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?
because of the pitcher
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Yeah I realize that
I could be totally off base, but I think Morel’s defensive makes up for Omar’s bat. Because Omar sucks
i like it when people act like they're the first one to post.
when they aren’t.
http://www.southsidesox.com/2011/7/27/2297391/alejandro-de-aza-era-starts-today#72876970
your layoff hasn’t helped your speed.
DeAza's starting in CF!! Book it!!!
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 27, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
was merely making light that there were numerous posts
panties are tight today huh boys?
"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza
9:59 = 10:06?
Are you posting from a time zone 7 minutes behind CDT?
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 27, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Forget it Jake, it's Rockford.
Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?
at work = bored
sorry.
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 27, 2011 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
So this deal is done right?
Where is the official press release for the roster move and trade?
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DH platoon? Rios vs. lefties, Dunn vs. righties?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2011 10:07 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Even in this disaster of a season
He’s been mediocre against left handed pitching.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
I mean I guess obviously, Rios would go to RF
And Quentin would be the one to DH. But the point stands, rotating Rios and Dunn.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2011 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
How about Vizquel against lefties
and Rios against all the pitchers in the league who roll the ball to home plate?
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 27, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Bring it on. Besides, Jackson can't beat the good teams.
Hee.
Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?
Heyman just said the Jays would pry spin E-jax to STL
i love the trade deadline.
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seems like that happens to kw
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
If it's for Rasmus I'd be very disheartened.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Unless we can make a three way happen.
Three ways are always better.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 27, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
It's not like Jackson is the piece that is going to make the Jays contenders.
And he’s a Boras client probably likely headed for type B FA status. Their interest in him has to be purely for spinning purposes.
could they thinking about trying to give him an extension?
seems an unlikely target to do that considering the Boras
Easy chief
We’re a community - Tdogg
we tried to spin jackson. remember what happened to us
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
Any chance this will turn out to be a 3 way deal?
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
winnerwinnerchickendinner
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
if we somehow land lawrie and rasmus
ill praise kw for as long as i live
"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza
i wish but it doesn't seem realistic.
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
This is interesting
jonmorosi Jon Morosi
by Ken_Rosenthal
#BlueJays have interest in Rasmus, source says. Gose isn’t ready, so they need CF. Could become 3-team deal. #STLCards
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But why would kenny help an AL team get a player he clearly wants?
Just to dump a couple million off the payroll?
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 27, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah this doesn't make sense unless JR is bleeding money
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
If that's "dump payroll," I get it. But I can't believe the Cardinals would take Frasor and Jackson over Jackson/Thorton
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 27, 2011 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
we don't know what KW offered though
Maybe he wasn’t willing to give up Thornton or something like that
so what you are saying is this is just a salary dump
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
Maybe viciedo is part of the deal for rasmus.
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 27, 2011 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
hell no, i sure hope not
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
No offense but that has been apparent IMO
Not a bad move at the end of the day, the Sox can still compete and they have shed salary. I have no idea on what the Jays are thinking on picking up Teahen
flip jackson for rasmus
so they get teabag + money and rasmus for frasor + prospect
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
but most likely the sox will send money with him
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
I really think people are overexaggerating that fact.
Especially if they’re getting money. The guy makes 5 million, for one year, can still play multiple positions and serve a role as a utility player. There are plenty worse contracts out there.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah like rios
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
keeps greedy minor leaguers at AAA
where they can’t get lots of major league hits, and eventually earn lots of money.
Selfless.
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 27, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah.. who said he was?
That doesn’t make it a disastrous contract though. Plenty of guys are not worth what they make. He can play RF, 1B and 3B. He can switch hit and he’s only got one year left on his deal.
Like Ahilock said, this is no Alex Rios. This kind of contract wouldn’t even cripple the Pirates, let alone a major market team.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
sorry should have been prospect(s)
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
so we want frasor instead of rasmus what?
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
#stlcasrds targeting e-jax (plus others) for rasmus. So they want him. Deal could happen w/i day. Big powwows now. #tradedeadline
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Olney (and not the tripping one)
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
Source: Cardinals continue to talk about Rasmus deals with TOR, other teams. Rival executives say he is very much available.#trades
edwin jackson is like "that" girl in middle school that you and your buddies got your first hand job from
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
Yeah, but after a while, didn't "that" girl learn how to actually give a good hand job,
instead of just tease and tease with her potential?
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 27, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Carpal Tunnel Syndrome
Sad story. It is being made into a Lifetime movie called “Helping Handie”
by joewho112 on Jul 27, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
lol
vg
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 27, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
and learned to actually wash her hands between said 'jobs
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 27, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
She arrived in town because
her dad got transferred to the factory in town with promise of a promotion that never happened
It's great for instant news and a lot of fun if you get the right friends.
@2ndHalfAdjust
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 27, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
keith law kevin goldstein buster olney jon morosi john heyman ken rosenthal
for starters
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nothawk
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by blackoutsox on Jul 27, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Gonzo
MDGonzales Mark Gonzales
KW and Hahn hovering around clubhouse entrance, waiting for player(s) to arrive
.
KW just jumped out from behind the door. Said “Boo!” Morel screamed like a girl
by joewho112 on Jul 27, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is one of those players Rasmus? Cause I'm waiting for him to arrive too.
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 27, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
that's not his hand
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 27, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
sigh
Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
Source: Money appears only holdup in 3-team deal that would send EJax to #Cardinals, Rasmus to #BlueJays. MORE #WhiteSox #tradedeadline #MLB
"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza
shit, so this is a salary dump
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
Yep.
Trader Kenny is getting his ass handed to him the last couple of years.
by winningugly on Jul 27, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
worst possible scenario
We send Jax, Teahan and money to Tor for Frasor +1. Tor sends Jax,Teahan +2 to St.L for Rasmus, St.L sends Teahan to WSox for Frasox and money.
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 27, 2011 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
then we extend Teahen's deal again
I shant be misled a second time
by Nordhagen on Jul 27, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
3 years at $6million per
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 27, 2011 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
so we traded daniel hudson for frasor + other
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
the lesson:
Never doubt seemingly random people on Twitter
by Titan52 on Jul 27, 2011 10:44 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Buster
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
It’ll be interesting to see what STL gets for Rasmus, because sources say Cards were offered one of three TB SP: Niemann, Davis,Cobb.#trades
we getting Moises Sierra from tor?
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
or is he going to stl?
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
This guy, apparently
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 27, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
wasn't on sickels jays top 20 list for 2011
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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
forgive my stupidity
Is 66 in 405 PAs this year that bad?
by Titan52 on Jul 27, 2011 11:04 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
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Blue Jays prospect Moises Sierra is not in the lineup today. He’s played all but three games this year.
@Dave_Gershman
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
yeah it appears so
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
Number 5 on Fangraphs top 10 list in 2010 if that means anything.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
was he on the list for 2011?
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Highly underrated, Mark Kotsay became the best defensive designated hitter in American League history in 2010.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Only played 20 games in 2010 it seems.
I assume he was hurt, but I didn’t see anything about that. This year he’s lowered his K Rate and upped his power numbers at least.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=sa396224&position=OF
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
huh, b/c sickels rates him as B+
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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm good with that
Based on various rankings.
Makes me a little nervous writers were talking about his relief possibilities
by Titan52 on Jul 27, 2011 11:09 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yikes
Kevin_Goldstein Kevin Goldstein
Horrible trade for WSox. RT @Buster_ESPN: Zach Stewart and Jason Frasor go from CWS for Edwin Jackson and Mark Teahen.
goldstein thinks the white sox can win the division.
presumably doesn’t agree salary dump is good idea at this point.
What? It could easily be horrible.
Even if it’s a salary dump, you can still do a salary dump well, or do it poorly. Maybe someone else was going to give more for Jackson.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
They got rid of Teahen's contract
Jackson was going to be gone at the end of the year. I think people are disappointed about not getting Rasmus, but KW tried to get it done and it wasn’t possible. Seems like the Cards are asking for a ton. Its going to save alot of money and JR probably said to get it done.
Regardless, your statement still made no sense.
A salary dump can easily be done poorly.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Who is Zach Stuart? A race car driver?
This space is available.
But he might also catch.
It’s never good to pre-judge.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 27, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
KW talking to media now
CST_soxvan Daryl Van Schouwen
‘Put players in who will win. Don’t care about salary’
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ChrisRongey Chris Rongey
Kenny on De Aza in lineup: “Rios is gonna have to take a back seat.” Also says Sox are looking for a “spark”
A 33 year old relief pitcher and an average prospect
Is the best we could for one of the two or three best available starting pitchers on the market?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2011 11:08 AM CDT reply actions
also salary dump
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
stewart looks to be a top jays prospect
by Titan52 on Jul 27, 2011 11:12 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
though disappointingly
More of a future believer
by Titan52 on Jul 27, 2011 11:14 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
he'll be a great believer in coop
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
Going by the link I provided above
He’s already fallen off some. I don’t think he’s the prospect he once was.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
the more i google
The sadder Stewart makes me. Looks more and more like a guy the Jays are giving up on vs. a guy they’d have preferred keeping
by Titan52 on Jul 27, 2011 11:21 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That's the conclusion I came to also, and why I said average.
Sure, maybe Coop can turn him around, but he’s not the top end prospect he once was from the sources I’ve read.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Do you need the Jays' GM to cry?
Is that what you need? An appearance where the guy weeps that KW hoodwinked him?
sideways smiley face
by TasteeFreeze on Jul 27, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
that would be enjoyable
But what I’d prefer is a player who tips more toward prospect than failed prospect
by Titan52 on Jul 27, 2011 11:47 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
kinda what you get in a salary dump
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
Jesus Christ..
There’s no reason you can’t get good talent back in a salary dump. What is the deal people lumping in all salary dumps as the same thing.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Just because you're trading away a big contract
Doesn’t mean you have to get nothing in return.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah i'm with larry on this. unless you send money along with the player,
you aren’t going to get a top top guy back
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
just pointing out
his standing has fallen quite a bit in the past few years and i doubt that’s a recent ranking.
That start of this one.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
The
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Most likely.
Bit of a bummer, Stewart was a guy I liked this winter.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Now that he's on the White Sox...
Keith Law coughs and says, “sorry, I meant 244th best prospect…in AA baseball”
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 27, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
So, what happens if/when Peavy gets seriously hurt again?
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 27, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
so he is mlb ready?
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
i guess i really dont give a shit
but obviously they do. what is plan b when peavy gets fucked? harrel is gone…
Doug Davis to the resc....
ah shit
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
There's a rumor of a rumor about the Phillies sniffing around Q.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 27, 2011 11:18 AM CDT reply actions
Which, once he dumps....some other salary...will allow him to become the front runner for
Carlos Beltran. I can see it now. De Aza in CF, JP in LF and Beltran in RF. Boom (no, it’s too early for steak).
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 27, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
little known fact
Phillies can smell anger
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Jul 27, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
coop will work wonders with him.
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 27, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
heard on fangraphs chat
that eric thames may be the additional chip from TOR for rasmus, if so, they indeed bring more
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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 27, 2011 11:24 AM CDT reply actions
seems we could have matched that deal. so kw really didn't want rasmus but he was kicking the tire wasnt he
"We saw death and I don't think we fear it anymore. Not unlike 2005, when we finally clinched and then we took off in the playoffs." Coop 7/29/10
Wanted to see what the Blue Jays could get Rasmus for
KW’s still trying to make up for the Sirotka/Wells deal.
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 27, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
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