Frasor's fine - if there's more help on the way
by Jim Margalus on Jul 27, 2011 11:34 PM CDT
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PrintWhen the White Sox make a significant bullpen addition via trade in July, it usually leaves us wanting. Mike MacDougal was legitimately excellent in 2006, and a disaster after the Sox signed him to an extension. David Riske served his purpose, but the Sox failed to offer him arbitration, which was kind of the point. The less said about Tony Pena, the better.
So you could color me underwhelmed when rumor became fact -- that Edwin Jackson, a durable starting pitcher among a pretty thin crop, was used more as a vehicle to dump Mark Teahen's contract onto the Toronto Blue Jays in exchange for a non-elite, right-handed reliever in Jason Frasor, along with fringy minor-league pitcher Zach Stewart.
I'm going to hold off on an ultimate verdict until the trade deadline passes, because Kenny Williams is in the middle of a plan, and for all we know, this could be a fine start. By trading Jackson and Teahen for Frasor and Stewart, he solved one problem (finding a roster spot for Alejandro De Aza), and he enhanced another part of the team by keeping Brian Bruney away from high leverage situations. Stewart will also serve the Lance Broadway/Carlos Torres/Lucas Harrell role of emergency starter, the kind of pitcher they lack in Charlotte after the Houston Astros claimed Harrell.
There seems to be another combo move in the offing. The Sox freed up some money, the addition of Frasor makes trading Matt Thornton more absorbable, and there are those persistent Carlos Quentin rumors. Otherwise, the Sox used a trade to waste their best expendable asset on their least-pressing need, and they leave third base duties on the overburdened shoulders of Brent Morel.
Now, if that's the case when the dust clears, I'm going to write my angry missive. But given that Williams has chosen the "Get Creative (jazz hands!)" route, he deserves room to operate. He's laid the groundwork for a dramatic revamping, so there's no point in getting worked up about a roster that could look very different in 24 hours.
Reading the reaction on Bluebird Banter, it appears that Frasor was well-respected for his work in Toronto. That's saying something -- he had spent his entire 7 1/2-year career in Toronto, and recently became their all-time leader in appearances. Familiarity breeds contempt -- and Alex Rios proves that Canadians are capable of scorn -- so that Frasor never wore out his welcome is a reassuring sign.
And after watching the video of his initial interview on Chicago Tribune Live, he made an impression on me, if only because he speaks with the cadence and inflection of a real actual person.
So we're off to a good start.
The addition of Frasor addresses the trust chasm between Jesse Crain and Brian Bruney. Bruney has been a delight and a surprise, but he's always waging a war against the walksies, which is why Crain pitched in three consecutive games before getting a day off on Wednesday.
Frasor has no red flags in his background. Not only is he an American League pitcher, but he's spent his career in baseball's toughest division. His home park, Rogers Centre, isn't an easy place in which to pitch. He has no red flags in his medical history. He was born and raised in Oak Forest, so he knows what Chicago's all about, and even if he didn't, Toronto has played the role of Chicago in a ton of movies, including the film adaptation of "Chicago" (which I have never seen).
That's not to say that Frasor can't pull a Pena, but I couldn't tell you why he would be susceptible to it, all things being steady. As long as Ozzie Guillen understands his limitations -- namely, he's prone to some struggles against lefties and usually doesn't work past an inning -- the Frasor-Crain pairing should work well in concert.
The only real drawback for having Frasor around is that it might keep Ozzie Guillen on his current kick of using Sergio Santos as a one-out save artist. Santos has faced eight batters over his six second-half appearances, and what started out as somewhat novel management ("Hey, the closer isn't starting the ninth by default!") is on the verge of becoming a nuisance ("What was wrong with Crain/Chris Sale? He was rolling!").
I understand limiting Santos' workload in just his second full season of real pitching, but relegating Santos in the closer role is what created the appearance of a need for Frasor in the first place, so pushing him further out of the picture is a development in the opposite direction of progress.
(And we could say the same thing if Frasor is the only addition made before the deadline, but let's give it a few more days.)
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Great Article
Thanks for the background and insight on Fraser. In reality, if Thorton is moved does he go alone? With Q? And who would be a great realistic fit for us?
by Bmvance on Jul 27, 2011 11:52 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I don't think Thornton and Quentin would be in the same package.
Although it’s happened before (Philly trading Abreu and Lidle to the Yankees), it doesn’t seem like it allows for the best return.
Best fit — weak market, nobody really comes to mind immediately aside from Aramis Ramirez, and there are a whole bunch of obstacles with that one.
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by Jim Margalus on Jul 28, 2011 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Now that Teahen is gone
I’m not sure if this was mentioned earlier, but now that teahen is gone, who will become the first basemen in late innings if konerko is taken out for a pinch runner, and dunn is already the DH? I know vizquel was there for a few innings in a game in toronto, but I don’t know if that can be the answer
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Ozzie Guillen needs to slap you
Omar Vizquel is ALWAYS the answer.
Viciedo.
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by Jim Margalus on Jul 28, 2011 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Ok if he can play 1b
Then screw Morel and put him at 3b. No more trades, Dunn snaps out of it (has he already???), and the division is ours. White sox seem to become better pitchers and fielders at the pro level (no comment on their hitting development). There are some phenom gloves over 40 in that clubhouse. Even JP and Q improved. Would tank at third be the end of the world? Is there a better place in the world for him to develop defensively? Morel is out come August if Q isn’t shipped.
by jermainesjerman on Jul 28, 2011 1:54 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
how do you feel about the sox getting rid of jackson?
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its been said a lot around here that dayan has no shot at 3rd
morel coulda been gone to make room for dayan before teahen got shipped out, but now he’s kinda necessary.
plus, he’s white, so we all want him to stick around.
its mlb's obsession with white, grindy players
a la pedroia, am i wrong?
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 28, 2011 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Games by position for Viciedo this season:
RF: 77
DH: 11
1B: 9
3B: 0
He went from playing 114 games at third in 2009 to 26 in 2010 to 0 in 2011. That should tell you how bad the Sox consider his defense to be there.
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by Jim Margalus on Jul 28, 2011 2:26 AM CDT up reply actions
If you can play first, you can play third.
We’ve been wasting Konerko for years.
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by U-God on Jul 28, 2011 7:23 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball.
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 28, 2011 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
But...If you can dodge a ball, can you dodge a wrench?
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 28, 2011 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Not if KenWo throws it. He has boomerang control over wrenches.
and wenches.
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 28, 2011 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
What about benches?
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Much like Judy Densch's
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 28, 2011 10:11 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
got that one right. ate a broccoli salad last night... made for an interesting evening.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
I have a mean broccoli salad recipe passed down to me from my mom via an old church cookbook.
in fact, I have a few awesome recipes for summer get-togethers and holidays.
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by Shoeless In SC on Jul 28, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
oh man. i love summer get together salad type stuff.
but the broccoli salad can be pretty potent.
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she makes a punch bowl cake that is money.
angel food cake, strawberry glaze, cool whip with sourcream and confectioner’s sugar, strawberries… mix it all together in a big bowl and voila. money.
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by Shoeless In SC on Jul 28, 2011 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
That's our old center fielder: a wench now sittin' on the bench.
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 28, 2011 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I had a feeling...
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by Hazymania on Jul 28, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
this makes me want to play SM3 right now.
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by Shoeless In SC on Jul 28, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Personally,
And i mean this literally, my contacts here in chicago always happen to say that the Marks (teahen, kotsay) and those like them, are the classiest of guys and good people to have around on a personal level. On a baseball level, i was abhorred when kenny made that move to get teahen and extend him, but hopefully he can make something out of it in the next coming days.
Kenny has made some serious blunders in the past couple years, and I only hope that these sox (or the new look sox come the deadline) can live up to their pedigrees and abilities and we start winning some ballgames. Id relish the chance to face boston or the yanks in the post season and send them packing in a short first round series.
This year we have boston’ number, so lets hope these guys get it together and make a push towards the postseason. Go sahks!
i'm surprised to see this headline from cowley after the previous garbage of an article he wrote
“White Sox’ trade was good business, not sign of surrender”
but b/c we couldn’t get rasmus, he brings up the possibility of la russa coming to the sox, instead the fact that toronto had a better hand.
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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 28, 2011 3:16 AM CDT reply actions
Cowley mentioned the same "conspiracy" possibility this morning on the radio
Mentioning that the Sox didn’t really want Rasmus because he would be the last person La Russa would want to see in the dugout if the Sox made him manager last year. I couldn’t see how this explanation made so much more sense than the “Toronto offered a lot more than the Sox could/wanted to” explanation and he never even mentioned that. Dude is cracked.
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by keystone connection on Jul 28, 2011 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions
cowley's retarded.
if he’s the sox manager next year, i’ll go to navy pier and duct tape a sparkler to my dong and wave it around like a tassel on a vegas showgirl.
by obnoxious american on Jul 28, 2011 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions
How big is the sparkler?
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 28, 2011 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
i feel like i shouldn't answer this.
by obnoxious american on Jul 28, 2011 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Hey man, safety first.
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 28, 2011 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
I didn't hear or read this Cowley hypothesis,
but I did wonder if the Sox still think highly enough of LaRussa (daggummit) to trust his negative opinion of Rasmus.
Why buy the cow when the milk is kinda bitchy?
by SkanchoDanza on Jul 28, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
I fail to see how that's a bad headline.
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by Jim Margalus on Jul 28, 2011 9:23 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Now, TROLLEY STRIK ON FOR THIR is a bad headline.
There are a ton of reasons to dislike what Cowley does, but not everything associated with him is a crime against humanity.
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by Jim Margalus on Jul 28, 2011 9:38 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
And I misread his point, anyway.
Really shouldn’t post from my phone.
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by Jim Margalus on Jul 28, 2011 9:41 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Puppies die when Cowley types.
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 28, 2011 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
i didn't say it was a bad headline, i'm just surprised to see it after the previous article he wrote
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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 28, 2011 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I caught myself too late. Sorry.
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by Jim Margalus on Jul 28, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
More tricks up KW's kevlar sleeve?
Can we get excited yet or is this WSox v2011.2 with another roll-out of v2001.3 looming just over the horizon?
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White Sox 2011: The season of extraneous body parts.
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This is why the White Sox will never be an elite franchise. They could get Rasmus straight up for Jackson and they chose to dump salary. This deal is Jackson for Frasor straight up. In today’s world of teams desperate for starting pitching, that is a pathetic deal. This team has been horribly managed in the front office and on the field since 2006. I honestly thought after 2005 that for the first time since 1959, my team could be on top for three or 4 years. They plunged in 1960 – and spent 40+ years trying to recover, and now you can all look forward to the 2045 season. I will always root for them but I will always question the owners.
They absolutely could not have got Jackson for Rasmus straight up.
You did see the actual trade that landed the Jays Rasmus, right?
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by parkernutws05 on Jul 28, 2011 6:47 AM CDT up reply actions
they could not get rasmus for jackson straight up, as evidenced by what the jays gave to the cards
and this deal is not for jackson for frasor straight up either
actually, there’s much more in your comment that i differ with. instead of pointing out differences, i would rather say welcome to SSS and i applaud your long-time dedication to the sox.
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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 28, 2011 6:48 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Sox could not possibly find themself a better owner than Jerry,
thats a very misguided statement.
2011 WhiteSox Baseball: we're all in
man, that rain out
the other night with the 30 years with reinsy really sold you huh!?!
just kidding…there are worst out there. ive loved the man ive hated the man
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by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 28, 2011 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Holy crap! That makes you the oldest poster here by a long shot.
If I make it your age, I’ll at least be grateful for the one World Series win I saw with my own eyes. I certainly won’t be ragging that they didn’t win 3 or 4 in a row, since that just doesn’t happen anymore.
As for the rest of your post, what OSFIB said.
Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?
First off...
This was NOT Jackson for Frasor straight up. You are ignoring two things:
1) The complete dumping of Teahen without paying ANY of his money. Which seemed impossible. Saves them about 9 mil.
2) Everyone is writing off Zach Stewart as some throw-in. He was a B+ prospect before the season (as rated by John Sickels) and has actually improved his control this year. Yes, his ERA and WHIP have taken a hit, but that’s largely because of a huge jump in BABIP. He might not be a starter long-term (which is what the Sox need, young starters), but he could very easily be a strong late inning reliever. He’s nothing to sneeze at here.
3) People are saying Jackson could have brought back much more as the best starter in a thin market. I wasn’t privy to the offers, so I can only go by what I see. I said the Sox should have gotten more for Freddy Garcia when they traded him to the Phils. I have to think that KW took the best deal on the table and we all overestimated the demand for Jackson.
Stewart's stuff is seriously blah
if his 3 starts are any indicator.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
SSS!
on the radio this morning don cooper said some white sox people were scratching their heads as to why he wasn’t in the majors right now!
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
his fastball isn't a legit sinker
so he better have really nice command. i don’t know what makes him different from Humber, who we picked up off the trash heap.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
larry's post yesterday from sickels said he sits in the low 90s and touches 95-96 routinely
granted that was the 2010 sickles, but his post last night in the minor league update said he throws at 90. not a good thing
"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza
Think it's probably a case of what role he's in.
high 80’s to low 90’s as a starter, low to mid 90’s if he’s in the pen.
the reports were on him when hes been starting
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Not sure if this is what you saw...
Zach Stewart, RHP: Stewart was drafted by the Reds in the third round in 2008, then traded to the Blue Jays in 2009. He has a 4.86 ERA with a 10/5 K/BB in 17 innings for the Jays this year, allowing 26 hits, but has spent most of the year in Double-A where he had a 4.20 ERA with a 74/27 K/BB in 94 innings for New Hampshire, 106 hits. He uses a 90 MPH sinker, a slider, an improved change, and an occasional curve. You can find a full report on him here. I make him as a Grade B/B- type right now, with his stock having slipped some over the last year. He could make a good inning-eater with a decent defense behind him, or he could dominate more readily if used in the pen.
thats the quote larry put in the minor league update, as i mentioned
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yeah i'm not enthused.
pitchers seem to overdo it when they first get the call too. here’s his pfx:
not much to like there.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
dude needs to put that shit in the strike zone
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I've seen very different reports on his stuff...
velocity reports anywhere from 88-95 and even a report that he touched 97 out of the pen the other year. Heard the fastball had sinking action, though he didn’t coax as many grounders this year as in the past. I’ve seen the slider described as anywhere from average to plus and the change as anywhere from below average to fringe plus. Guess we’ll just have to wait and see.
Personally, I don’t understand why he was in AA again this year. Not like he pitched bad there the year before. Maybe it’s one of those situations where the kid got a little bored at a level. Hopefully they send him to Charlotte and let him start to see if he can succeed there. If he can’t, he’s probably another candidate for the pen.
the pitch f/x stats are not pretty.
and he’s not a prime candidate for Cooperizing, since Coop has had his best success teaching command and a slider/cutter. while i’m sure Stewart can be helped on those fronts, they’re two things he’s already being mentioned positively for.
obvs it remains to be seen, but there’s nothing here to me that says Stewart is a real get. he’s just another guy, which means that it’s more or less what we thought: cash dump. fortunately because of the composition of the team and the time of year it’s not likely to be a huge problem to dump either of them. so we save $4M this year and $5.5 next year. like jim says, we’ll see if it goes back into the team or not.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
Highly doubt the money is used elsewhere
after how attendance has been. Think Reinsdorf has seen what he needed to see, and the result is bringing the payroll back down closer to where it’s been.
I agree, the stuff doesn’t scream ACE, but he’s still a fairly solid B-level prospect, which automatically makes him one of the best in the Sox system. We’ll see what happens.
kenny was quoted saying with the money they saved they can be more creative
therefore, its plenty clear they are still going to spend that money
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eh i'm skeptical
we’ve been seeing thornton rumors for some reason, right?
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
Yeah, I'm not so sure the money gets spent again.
And the way Kenny’s been spending money lately, he probably deserves a little slap on the wrist.
by polodude017 on Jul 28, 2011 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
JR provides the budget.
the bigger issue is that attendance is down across the league. sounds like their projections were based on a different reality. and they spend in order to break even.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
i think it was also getting what you pay for
and you were getting nothing out of teahen for what was being paid to him. spending money to get a good third baseman would/could be wise. filling the void at 3rd, getting offense, climb the standings, puts fans in the seats
"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza
that's a decent point
but the problem is that kind of money won’t necessarily produce a whole lot of revenue. you buy a 7 win player, you can be pretty sure you’ll see a big kick in revenue of some kind. 1 win? maybe that doesn’t show up.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
make the playoffs
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
sure but how much is spending that $5M going
to actually contribute to getting us there? i know the consensus is that the deal made us worse but i’m not sure i agree. we had 6 starters of very similar quality so we’re not suddenly shifting starts on someone who can’t handle it. depth is the problem, but between the possibility of a 4 man rotation and Chris Sale, is it really a huge issue?
and what are you going to do with that $5M that’s going to make a big problem go away? it’s 3B or bust at this point. and whether there’s an actual solution to be had there, we’ll see.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
Oh I agree. I was just responding in general to extra revenue.
Personally I don’t think the deal hurts all that much and I’m glad Teabag is gone and De Aza added. Get Dayan on the roster and remove Lillibridge and I’m even happier. I’m really not worried about the pitching. I really don’t think people realize from an AL pitching standpoint how far ahead the pitching staff was ahead of the competition.
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I will be incredibly disheartened if Lillibridge is gone.
He seems like the kind of player who will come up big in a division/championship series.
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by Shoeless In SC on Jul 28, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
as silly as that sounds.
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by Shoeless In SC on Jul 28, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think it sounds silly
Colin is right. You root for guy. And yeah I’d love to have him and remove Rios but aint happening.
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he's very easy to like
funny, smart, high grindy scores. i don’t want him to get forced out, but it pretty much has to happen unless the Sox miraculously unload Rios.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
the 3B situation is what's giving me fits.
assuming KW does nothing to fix it, we’re like to see a Vizquel/Morel platoon, right? Like what we saw last year with Teahen?
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by Shoeless In SC on Jul 28, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
This trade, in a vacuum, is not bad, which is more than we can say for KW's recent trades.
Considering there’s no chance at signing EJax to an extension and he doesn’t look to be type-A. Also that Toronto ate all of Teahen’s salary, which is significant considering he’s been more than a win below replacement level in a White Sox uniform.
i thought he does look like a type A
which irritates to say the least.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
Yeah I had seen that.
According to them, he’s barely a B. And Frasor will be a B I think, so it’s an even tradeoff (assuming both are offered arb and decline, which is no sure thing).
As Jim pointed out with re: Riske
The Sox might not offer arbitration. They absolutely should with re: Frasor, at least.
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by Shoeless In SC on Jul 28, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
is that so?
guess I should check my facts.
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by Shoeless In SC on Jul 28, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
but that 1 win and a dunn turnaround
and oh boy is that attendance going to shoot up. weve been saying it all year, but how long can such a slump really last?
"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza
I got my first phone call this year from a Sox ticket guy yesterday.
They are trying.
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i assumed he was referring to interior design options
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How did I miss this?
I’ve been to 4 games this year and each time they had the little kid trying to hit a home run. I thought they were on they were saying they were on the “Fundamentals Deck” but I might not have been paying too much attention.
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to clarify
i’m not sure anything has really changed up there, besides the name and the signage. used to be pontiac, obv. but i don’t have a tyke so i’ve not been up there.
i always think about how far into the bleachers i would drive that wiffle ball, though. onto the field? yes, i think so.
by evenyoudorn on Jul 28, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
the question is
after hitting the wiffle ball into the sox’ bullpen… do you round the bases, as a 20-30 something? but the answer is obvious.
by evenyoudorn on Jul 28, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
if stewart was expected to be their spot starter, the jays have the problem of having their AAA team in las vegas.
pure speculation, but they may have left him in new hampshire, in part, so they could get him to toronto and other al east destinations quickly.
this is a whole other can of worms.
I’ve often wondered why farm clubs were so geographically diverse. I mean I understand that we live in an age when it’s a quick hop on a plane and you can be anywhere in a matter of hours.
Is it a question of just wanting to expand into different markets?
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The Jays' Triple-A team was in Syracuse for years
And that made a lot of geographical sense, because that’s a 3-4 hour drive from Toronto. But the product sucked, so Syracuse dumped ’em.
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by Jim Margalus on Jul 28, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Ideally you'd want all your clubs to be close to your MLB club, geographically speaking.
That’s just not feasible for most teams, though. The Braves franchise has their clubs in a relatively close area, all in the southeast. Not sure about other clubs off the top of my head.
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by Shoeless In SC on Jul 28, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
See - White Sox, Chicago
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
The White Sox farm clubs aren't very geographically conducive to quick turn-arounds for call ups.
Unlike Atlanta or the Cubs that have farm clubs in a relatively close area,
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
got it
i read your comment to mean the opposite
by evenyoudorn on Jul 28, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
it's a two hour flight from charlotte.
it’s about an hour and fifteen from des moines. and, since the iowa cubs are in the PCL, the guy you want to call-up may be california. i don’t think this is really a concern for the white sox.
yep.
and one can pack up and drive a u-haul from kannapolis to winston salem to charlotte to bristol, etc. the birmingham barons are really the only outlier.
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by Shoeless In SC on Jul 28, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
ooh good point.
I know Boston’s got Pawtucket for one of their affiliates. That has to be convenient.
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cincinnati: AAA is in louisville (thanks, DrEL), AA is in chattanooga.
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by thatshortkid on Jul 28, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
works for them.
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
he wasn't looking at results. he was looking at his pitch f/x.
which you can usually get a pretty good sense of a guy’s stuff from, even if it’s just 3 starts.
what larry said
ffs, i’m the sample size cop around here.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
Can I be deputy? Maybe volunteer deputy like Dwight on The Office?
by polodude017 on Jul 28, 2011 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
assistant to the
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
by colintj on Jul 28, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
At that time, which bear in mind was long ago in both my life and in my baseball knowledge,
I thought they could have gotten more. The point is, no matter what we think, we don’t know what other offers were on the table.
without giving it too much thought
i think the marker for “bad management” starts with the second Swisher trade. possibly the first. and that’s still going to lead to a better than .500 record over those seasons.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
Hope more trades to come
This roster of under-oerformers needed to be shaken up. Oz had very little options in terms of strategic moves. Teahen needed to find another home and we needed to use E-Jax as the cost. I will not miss Thornton if traded, but must get some value – not just $ relief. I also do not mind the dangling of Q if it equates to a solid retrun.. The Cuban tank will not equate to Q at the get go but Q is over-rated.. I am not saying he is bad, but not allstar material in my book. I strongly support the addition by subtraction. If anyone can tell me our W/L record when Teahen was on DL, I think we would find it to be quite good.
just make sure when whatever happens you give credit where credit is due
"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza
what would be the point of trading quentin?
he’s rather cheap for his production, and the sox almost never go to arbitration. what would he bring in return that would be worthwhile?
by obnoxious american on Jul 28, 2011 7:25 AM CDT reply actions
Depends on how much Philly or Atlanta are willing to cough up.
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that's what i'm wondering.
prospect wise, that’s punting the season, yes? it’s not like trading him is going to bring back more offense this year. i understand the viciedo thing, but he could come up and do nothing with the thumb problem, unless that was overstated.
by obnoxious american on Jul 28, 2011 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I am assuming thumb is minor
otherwise I agree with you. If thumb is Ok I will take prospects. Maybe we can use Q to package Dunn away like we did with EJax/Teahen – jk
Yeah, and that's the problem.
Replacing Q! isn’t like replacing Rios. De Aza barely has to exist to be an improvement over Rios. Viciedo actually has to hit well to draw even with Q!. We’ll see how it goes.
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i suppose seeing them both in the lineup is too much to ask.
who knows, maybe we’ll get an early christmas and someone will take pierre for their “leadoff position”.
by obnoxious american on Jul 28, 2011 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Viciedo can do it
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by blackoutsox on Jul 28, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
if KW can't get dominic brown for Q
he should be fired
clearly
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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Jul 28, 2011 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions
I am intrigued to see what his value is
If he is replaced by Viciedo and he brings a large return, I would support it.
To me there is no point if you are trying to win this year.
You need Q AND Dayan
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by Tdogg on Jul 28, 2011 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
they are trying
to win this year right
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by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 28, 2011 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions
so fraser is relly looking forward to pitching in a packed ballpark, eh?
who wants to be the one to break it to him?
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by BuehrleMan on Jul 28, 2011 8:08 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
really.
really.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
frasor.
larry. fewer.
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
by big_fun on Jul 28, 2011 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
dammit.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
i dunno if im da man or not but this reason on yahoo's fantasy baseball player news page
OF Dayan Viciedo was going to be called up, but he was still suffering from a sore thumb that forced him out of Saturday’s game with Class AAA Charlotte. “We’re not going to bring up a guy that is still hurt,” GM Ken Williams said. The plan is to give Viciedo a few more days, see what else happens with the trade deadline, and then make a decision on Viciedo.
"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza
thanks for reassuring us that you are not completely incompetent, KW.
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by Shoeless In SC on Jul 28, 2011 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions
With the amount of Kelsey Grammer
that’s been on the site lately, how has no one mentioned our new right handed set-up tandem, Dr. Frasor Craine?
I don't think you've been paying that close of attention.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
check your facts, Qucifer!
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by Shoeless In SC on Jul 28, 2011 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions
YEAH CRAIG.
Oops, sorry. Old habits.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 28, 2011 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions
it was a one-man rec'ing crew
I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.
by thatshortkid on Jul 28, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Anyone else notice that Serge was going completely slider,
And has ditched the fastball completely? At least the last outing he did, not sure if he tossed one in a couple before that. Pretty sure the wild pitch game was entirely sliders as well. Is this reason for concern? He’s not setting up the slider at all
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 28, 2011 8:51 AM CDT reply actions
Hard to mix your pitches...
when you’re only pitching to one hitter.
well, yesterday there was no reason to give boesch a fastball
as that dumbass swings at anything. plus wasn’t there some article on how he has the best slider in baseball or something?
by obnoxious american on Jul 28, 2011 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not arguing that his slider isn't amazing,
I’m just curious as to why he’s not setting it up with the fastball at all.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 28, 2011 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions
We live in interesting times
What does KW have up his sleeve in the coming week? I have mixed feelings on Q – I’m not has down on his defense has some on this blog – my biggest concern is his inconstancy at the plate. I swear he leads the league in pop-ups.
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Fifth in IFFB%
Just barely ahead of Ramirez and Beckham. This team hits a lot of pop-ups.
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its part of the suck they bring on offense
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by whitesoxmatt on Jul 28, 2011 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
you know who rios is right?
and as for being down on Q!s defense i think we are all quite happy with his defense
"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza
which is a 180 from last year
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by Shoeless In SC on Jul 28, 2011 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes, I'm sorry to say I know who Rios is
I’m with you, but there has been some sniping at Q’s defense here. I think mostly misplaced. Don’t get me started on Rios.
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in any time,
only the uninteresting are capable of being uninterested.
by obnoxious american on Jul 28, 2011 8:58 AM CDT reply actions
Lol Brent. You so funny.
@ESPY_TEAHEN Nooooooooo! Don’t leave me, I’m a mess without you! I think you and I should get an apartment together.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 28, 2011 9:01 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
I saw that in my feed and threw up a little bit.
Maybe they can get that apartment when ’bridge gets DFAd to make room for Dayan
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Really?
AJ, Flowers, Konerko, Beckham, Alexei, Morel, Omar, Dunn, Q!, Rios, De Aza, Pierre, ’bridge
Buehrle, Danks, Floyd, Peavy, Humber
Sergio, Thornton, Frasor, Crain, Sale, Bruney, Ohman
That’s 25.
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technically theres still room today
frasor wont be here til tomorrow
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He's on the 25 man roster, regardless of if he's here or not.
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Bruney's gotta be the odd man out at this point, right?
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'bridge
He’s become redundant with De Aza on the roster now.
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while this is true
it SHOULD be omar thats out of here. lilli and cover infield and outfield duties and pinch run.
"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza
Rios is still on the team
neither Lilli or Vizquel can play SS for any long stretch at this point, but Vizquel is probably the better infielder and he switch hits.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
agree to disagree then
if i were making the decisions id let omar go.
"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza
they hit about the same and
there’s a reason they didn’t feel set w/ Lilli backing up the infield and brought on Vizquel. i like BL a lot, but he’s got pretty clear limitations.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
i thought they brought in omar moreso to mentor che and beckham?
"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza
you can't waste a roster spot on mentorship
get him a job on the coaching staff if that’s what you need.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
that'd be disrespectful, dammit
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by Shoeless In SC on Jul 28, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Eduardo Escobar
Better glove and probably couldn’t be a worst hitter. Plus he’s cheaper, though I guess that doesn’t matter at this point.
The 2011 White Sox bench might have been the most poorly constructed bench in major league history. I SPEAK IN ABSOLUTES!
the thought process was correct, I think.
Teahen – Left-handed bat, can spell Morel at 3B against tough righties, can play COF’s.
Lillbridge – Defensive caddy for Q! and Rios, base-stealer, and can play MIF in a pinch
Vizquel – Proven veteran with decent IF glove
Castro – Above average backup C
That’s pretty much what you want on an AL team. The only real redundancy is Vizquel, but perhaps his presence, experience, and work ethic would be an inspiration to the youngins.
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by Shoeless In SC on Jul 28, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Thought process was not correct
Teahen – sucked in 2008, 2009 and 2010, should not be in the majors
Lillbridge – not very good, but acceptable
Vizquel – Should not be in the majors
Castro – Above average back up
And that's why their bench players.
The bench is fine.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 28, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
You're right.
What was Kenny thinking?! He should’ve assembled a bench of all-stars, or at least players as good as the players they may replace. And Jerry should’ve given him an extra $50 million to do so.
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by Shoeless In SC on Jul 28, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sweet comeback
To not be good at baseball is a very very very poor use of resources. The Sox bench offered three guys who aren’t very good and little flexibility to the every day line up. None of those guys are good situational players (which is really want you want from your bench along with flexibility). The 2011 bench offered marginal flexibility (Liillbridge’s defense) and no situation opportunities. Finding replacement level players who don’t cost much for the bench isn’t difficult.
Well it's a good thing that's exactly what we did.
I’d put our benches against most benches in the majors. Saying we need to work on our bench is like saying the Bears need to work on replacing their special teams.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 28, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Have you ever heard of left handed pitchers?
Or right handed pitchers? Or platoons? Or situation stats? Or skill sets?
"no situation opportunities"?
- Castro is R-handed and decent defensively, both things AJ is not. That’s a situation opportunity. He also has good pop.
- Lillbridge can play all OF positions with plus defense, can play the infield in a pinch, and has plus base running. That’s a situation opportunity.
- Vizquel is the only player on the 25- man roster that can play SS adequately aside from Alexei and Beckham. That’s a situation opportunity, albeit a small one.
- Teahen is L-handed and can play the corner positions adequately. This too is a situation opportunity.
Sheesh.
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 28, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
If you're defending Vizquel and Teahen
Then you’re either related to them, Ozzie, Kenny or don’t want the Sox to win.
I really don't feel like it's the bench
that has been killing the Sox this year. I would place that blame on a couple of the starting positional players/DH.
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by keystone connection on Jul 28, 2011 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
No one said that
I just said, “The 2011 White Sox bench might have been the most poorly constructed bench in major league history. I SPEAK IN ABSOLUTES!”
Apparently this now means that Vizquel and Teahen are good bench players despite the fact they get/got paid a lot of money for not being good bench players.
Well Otter7, I have some homework for you.
Please, tell us what makes up a good bench player. Because obviously we do not know. Then, if you will, give us an example of a current MLB team that has an entire bench of these players. Lastly, since you say the 2011 White Sox bench might have been the most poorly constructed bench in major league history, I at least encourage you to show us that the 29 other teams in MLB have better constructed benches.
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by Shoeless In SC on Jul 28, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
False.
‘bridge can’t play third, I’d cringe to see him out there playing first, and really at short he’d be a pretty major liability. Omar can play all 4 INF positions well, Dayan can play 1st, 3rd and the corner OFs, and we can get him in the game 4 times a week if we give each position a day off each week.
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tank cannot, absolutely cannot play 3rd
"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza
Tell that to the 23 games last year.
And Omar can play third as a solid backup.
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tell that to the down grade from 110 the year prior. and the 0 games this year
"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza
the 23 games last year
are how we know he can’t.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
larry.
please, convince the Man to put a banner on the front page saying:
“Dayan Viciedo can not play 3B. Please get this through your thick skull.”
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 28, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think he should play third
I’m just saying in a pinch he could. Just like in a pinch Lilibridge could catch.
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I think you'd want to see that maybe once a season, at most.
and if you’re only going to put him out there at 3B in a pinch, then hell, I assume AJ and Flowers could go there as well. Hell, Ozzie put Jermaine Dye at SS for an inning. Doesn’t mean he should be there.
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by Shoeless In SC on Jul 28, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
he originally proposed Tank play the corner OF, 1B, and 3B each once a week.
Now he’s saying in a pinch. Sure, the latter’s fine. I won’t flip my shit if Lillibridge catches for a few innings, or Dayan plays 3B for ONE game. Any more than that and shit will hit the fan.
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 28, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm agreeing with you
What a player would do in a pinch is trivial to his value.
No one is going to give Michael Cuddyer extra money because he can pitch 1 inning when you’re down 15 runs. Just as no one is going to consider Viciedo’s abilities to play a few innings at 3B.
I honestly believe that he could play once a week at third
He wasn’t so horrid that it was costing them games. In reality what’s 9 or 10 games at third, if they are finding a way to put his bat in the lineup every day. That’s what we’re trying to get in the end.
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Psht. Pure folley.
At least Konerko played at third base. Put him back there. Or trade for Pujols – he also played third.
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 28, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Lee play third in the minors.
Quite a bit early on.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 28, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Won "best defensive 3b in league"
In whatever league Winston-Salem is in.
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 28, 2011 1:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
25 but
Way too many pitchers on the staff still. I’m not sure what the point of Bruney is going forward now that Frasor is here. But I’d rather them DFA Omar.
Can't they trade Omar to the Brewers?
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO YOU WHITE SOX!!!!!
i don't know for who,
but the Brewers need an infielder.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO YOU WHITE SOX!!!!!
Seriously.. it was a joke, if you don't think it's funny.. fine
But I don’t know why it’d really offend you.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 28, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Catbrains rooms with Lillibridge
and might like dropping the rent a bit more.
You think that’s funny?
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You can't leave! All the plants will die.
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by keystone connection on Jul 28, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
indians send 2 prospects and cubs paying more than half the 4.7M owed to kosuke
"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza
in looking at their outfield,
that’s probably a substantial improvement for them.
Easy chief
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Choo-Choo-Train and Fyuckudome
Now they just need Matt Suhey in Left.
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it will be unbearable
listening to hawk calling games against cleveland
by evenyoudorn on Jul 28, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Of course Colby Rasmus’ dad ripped Tony La Russa yesterday
"Tony needed pitching and wanted to force the GM into making a trade, so he belittled Colby to the fans … Tony would like to have 25 pitchers, like he thinks he has to put his stamp on every ball game. They had nothing else to trade. I think everyone is better off now … There are three or four guys in the St. Louis clubhouse right now, thinking ‘oh-oh, who is the manager going to pick on next with Colby gone?’
The day my dad gets in a public argument with my boss
is the day I have no father.
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 28, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
That quote sounds like he's talking about Ozzie.
Would LaRussa be much different than Ozzie? Other than the drinking, the kids, and the accent, I mean.
by winningugly on Jul 28, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Rasmus' dad doesn.
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 28, 2011 10:14 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Fuck my Android
Rasmus’ dad doesn’t want to mess with Oney.
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 28, 2011 10:15 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
No and frankly I'm tired of hearing about LaRussa
I don’t want him and he is so freaking overrated. Genius my ass.
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Agreed.
I respect the man, but he is overrated.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 28, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Helps when you can make line up after line up with steroid science creations.
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 28, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Q is off the block
@BNightengale
Bob Nightengale #mlb The #Phillies loved what they saw scouting #White Sox OF Carlos Quentin 3 days in Chicago, but Sox remain in race, plan to keep him
and who told them we plan to keep him?
i guess my point is that this doesn’t mean he’s off the block. i think it means he’s off the block ‘at the price being offered.’
thank goodness
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
srsly
that would have been pretty depressing.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
Fukudome to the Indians
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/07/indians-in-serious-talks-for-kosuke-fukudome.html
9:13am: The Cubs will receive two prospects for Fukudome, tweets ESPN’s Buster Olney, and a deal is likely to be done by today’s game at 1:10pm central time. Olney adds that the Cubs are picking up more than half of the $4.7MM owed to Fukudome, while SI’s Jon Heyman tweets that they’ll pay the “vast majority.” Jayson Stark tweets that the only hangup is determining minor perks for Fukudome in exchange for waiving his no-trade clause.
Here's my guy rounding first base yesterday
by Rhubarb on Jul 28, 2011 9:31 AM CDT reply actions 13 recs
Awesome.
He looks like a cool kid, grats there Rhuby
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 28, 2011 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Ooooh! that was ugly
As someone who has a trick ankle(I turn it over stepping on a pebble) that was an injury I would not wish on my worst enemy.
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
Kind of a ska thing going on with the socks
or police department. Your kid isn’t some jr officer, is he?
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 28, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
he's an 8th waver
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
not sure what that is
but I signed him up for summer camp with the Tea Party Youth Movement. Training him as a mole for the future.
by Rhubarb on Jul 28, 2011 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
what little i know about ska
indicates that it comes in “waves”. iirc, that mid-90’s revival was the third? who knows though. ska sucks.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
not all waves of ska suck
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 28, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
The first main retro wave of the 80's was pretty cool
The Specials, The Selector, followed quickly by Madness and the English Beat.
I don’t get retro of retro of retro. I’ve never really gotten into Green Day for that reason.
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 28, 2011 10:19 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Never heard of The Selector or English Beat.
But I like some Specials, and Madness is really good.
I’ll probably catch some flak for this, but I grew up in the era, so fuck off. To this day I still like Less Than Jake, Mustard Plug, Five Iron Frenzy, Buck-O-Nine and to a much lesser extent Reel Big Fish.
Madness is brilliant though.
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 28, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
grew up there too
I went the way of hair metal but I dug some of the ska sounds (although I never knew the term)
My oldest son digs postmodern music & downloaded “Beer” by Reel Big Fish. What’s not to like?
It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes...it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.
postmodern music?
Is that like listening to a song and realizing that you’re the one singing it, but without realizing that you ever sang it? And then mid-way through the recording your own voice starts telling you about the recording process and how tedious it was, when suddenly the girl you were singing about in the song appears on the recording even though she left you for your boss 6 years ago?
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
Selector and Specials
Were the two main bands on Twin Tone records, ska label. 1980 or so. English Beat did Mirror in the Bathroom and ska version of Tears of a Clown. Singer went on to Fine Young Cannibals (She Drives Me Crazy – huge hit).
I found Madnes to be a bit poppy too quick.
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 28, 2011 1:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
gotcha. thanks for the connections
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 28, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Fine Young Cannibals singer did not come from The Beat
A couple other guys did, but not the singer. I hated that guy’s voice.
I shant be misled a second time
I forgot about that
I totally forgot Ska has “waves”. I stopped listening to the shit when I was 14. First wave was in Jamiaca, 2nd in England, 3rd in the US and England if I am correct
I have
I actually like that album by Propaghandhi, I haven’t really listened to punk in years but I still have that album on my ipod
i got that song off napster!
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
nah it's cool
sean parker is justin timberlake now.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
i had a couple punk o ramas
some pennywise, lagwagon, nofx etc. i guess that woulda been 7-9th grade?
and i really don’t listen to any of it outside of the occasional nostalgia trip. i do still like Op Ivy a decent amount and have an actual album on my iTunes. but by and large, the stuff that inspired them is way better. 80’s hardcore and post-punk plus of course 70’s punk blows that shit out of the water.
if the ska situation is similar, i could certainly see it having been good. but i’ll probably never find out.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
i bet not.
they’re totally uninteresting by comparison. same chords, same speed. it’s monotonous. dinosaur jr, the replacements, gang of four, etc. are clearly more varied and interesting. and there’s no reason to suspect that the folks who like the good stuff will fail to out-communicate those few folks who think enough of SoCal punk to talk about it ever.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
and we should probably take this to the RR.
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 28, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
gee, you think?
well, too late now. good try though.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
might be
but even the kids i grew up with in SoCal who loved that shit have moved on.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
You are thinking too narrowly thusly
1. You assume all 90’s punk came out of SoCal
2. You underestimate the hold that nostalgia or the past has on future generations. Pretty sure most people would have been laughed at if they said Gang of Four was going to have such an influence on future music overall.
3. Hindsight is 20/20
4. I rarely listen to Progaghandhi any more, for example, but kids will find it in the future and find something else in it than I did at the time.
5. People grow up
who exactly is going to unearth these bands
if the folks who should be nostalgic for them now don’t find much to proselytize about?
that pop punk wave made their money with immature posturing and simple song structure that makes them easy to digest and easy to forget.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
i can see 90's green day being listened to way down the line.
simple song structure worked a treat for them.
Right on. Just because it's simply structured doesn't make it bad.
Look at the early Beach Boys and Ramones. Or maybe that is bad. Guess it depends on your taste.
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 28, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
simple song structure in itself
isn’t necessarily a problem. but when you have that and you sound like a bunch of stuff that already exists, you’re not offering much to the listener. which is where the posturing came in.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
agreed there
i don’t think a year goes by that i don’t listen to the songs i like best on Dookie.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
I don't think a month goes by
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 28, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Green Day used to play at the Wonderland Ballroom in Elgin when I was in 8th grade
Dookie came out when i was a freshman in highschool and it struck a chord obviosuly but I like Kerplunk a hell of a lot better and I think it Green Day got less tolerable as they went on. Dookie was a great album but I don’t listen to it anymore.
if Cap'n Jazz fits into your
definition of 90’s punk, then we’ve been talking past each other.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
Cap n Jazz was punk back then
people may have segmented them into something else these days. What else were they back then?
i've listened to Analphabetapolothology
plenty. if your definition of punk expands to put the bands i’m talking about into the same category as them, then we are not talking about the same thing. ergo, we are talking past each other.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
SoCal punk is a subset of punk of that era overall.
Fifteen and NOFX were mostly the extent of my SoCal punk liking. Rancid was okay, I am probably missing some.
that's fine
but that’s all i was talking about. them and anybody who recognizably pilfered that sound.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
Sidekick Kato, Chicago punk
Alkaline Trio did all of their goodstuff between 96-2000. OT: Alkaline Trio fucking sucks my balls nowadays. But Goddamnit, For Your Lungs Only, I Lied My Face Off, Maybe I’ll Catch Fire were amazing.
they went full emo
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 28, 2011 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Also, do you have any idea of how many 70's and 80's punk bands fucking sucked?
There will always be bands like Gang of Four, Mission of Burma that rise to the top in hindsight musical history. Sounds like if you were alive in the late 70’s you might have been into disco considering your dancy leanings these days. I’m not trying to be dick or anything just trying to change your perspective.
if we're talking about any of the bands
you might be able to lump in and call 90’s punk, fine it may well be the case that some of them are really worth caring about. i wouldn’t know.
but the bands i’m thinking of (and made a case against in the first place) were uninspired Green Day ripoffs who thought they liked Black Flag. i don’t expect anybody to be pining for Sum 41 or Good Charlotte any time soon such that the charts take notice. same for Pennywise or Lagwagon.
that was the extent of my argument.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
I am not lumping anything, I was cognizant of music in this decade and the aforementioned bands do apply
I could put together a list of great 90’s punk bands, if you want. Lagwagon and Pennywise served their purpose but I never really got into either of them. Lagwagon had a bad ass song on a skateboard video and a good song on the comp Survival of the Fattest. I DO believe NOFX deserves a place in the pantheon of punk bands, despite their ska leanings. Punk in Drublic was a kick ass album in its time. I’ll listen to 90’s era and even 80’s era NOFX albums before spinning some Green Day. Heavy Petting Zoo was an important album for me as well.
your categories
and mine are at odds. i wasn’t “thinking too narrowly”. i tailored my conclusion to fit carefully around the bands i was thinking about. bands like the ones i mentioned.
as for NOFX, i was never really super into them way back when and i’d be fairly surprised if they did it for me now. i’d say i was too young for them, but i had plenty of friends who dug them, so it’s probably something else.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
What are your categories?
What about Jesus Lizard or Chavez? You probably don’t think they are punk, now. But they are and were.
if "simple song structure"
and “immature posturing” don’t describe the bands in question, then they are not the bands i’m thinking of. the punk-o-rama epitaph type bands. like the list i made above? very few folks miss Blink 182* and Sum 41.
i was not making an argument most folks would disagree with. the SoCal stuff of the mid-late 90’s was definitely derivative.
*there are like 7 or so songs of theirs that i will never not like because they now exist as the soundtrack to the memory of my life from 6th to 9th grade.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
sweet
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Thanks guys
I have lots more pics but this ain’t facebook and I won’t inundate you with check out my baby shit. My favorite is of him touching homeplate. First run scored…
In the tan shorts?
I assume that’s you in the Buehrle shirt.
by mechanical turk on Jul 28, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
haha nice
that is my father in tan shorts. It was supposed to be only senior citizens and grandchildren on the field but I saw a bunch of 30 something douches out there somehow too.
30-year-olds have grandparents, too.
sideways smiley face
by TasteeFreeze on Jul 28, 2011 10:20 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
We got there in the 4th inning and sat in the seats until mid 6th. We had an open seat so we kind of corraled him in
He had a great time. We walked the concourse a couple times, stuck him in the shower, fed him some polish sausage, introduced him to Southpaw, got a first game certificate printed at Guest Relations. I was most impressed with how he dealt with the rush hour traffic out to Elgina. Nearly 2 hours and he didn’t throw a stink.
I like that first game certificate.
Wish they’d had that when I was a little guy. I’ll be sure to check that out when we take our little one to her first.
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
What FB and now SSS?
Kid is getting Lady Gaga exposure.
by winningugly on Jul 28, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
don't use my son, lady gaga and exposure in the same sentence please, WU.
by Rhubarb on Jul 28, 2011 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Just steer clear of his van and you'll be fine.
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
What's Q! worth, then?
Indians Very Close To Acquiring Kosuke Fukudome
9:35am: The prospects the Indians are sending are “one upper level, one lower level,” tweets Paul Hoynes of the Cleveland Plain Dealer.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO YOU WHITE SOX!!!!!
gotta account for the money.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
so Q is worth more?
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 28, 2011 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 28, 2011 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
More power, under control for longer, cheaper.
Middle of the order bat, capable of carrying an offense for weeks at a time.
It’s all in his carfax report.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 28, 2011 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions
you forgot "dreamier"
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by TasteeFreeze on Jul 28, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
i don't know
how much $ are the Cubs sending w/ Fukudome?
in terms of the players themselves, Quentin is younger but that aside they’ve been worth basically the same in terms of wins/150 games since ‘08. whether or not you buy that depends on what you think of each’s respective D and who you think will be healthier going forward.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
gotta assume upper/lower level just means their in AAA or A ball
can’t imagine that the Indians send them anyone with much real upside. probably a AAAA type OF and a 24 year old A ball SP
Danks talking like he wants to stay
“This is all I know, I love it here” “I love my coaching staff and teammates and planning on being here this year, next year and we will see what happens”
I think this has been pretty clear for awhile.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
well what else is he going to say?
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 28, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Coop line was hilarious this morning in regards to the 75 pitch barrier on Peavy tiring
“With Frasor now we can go get his ass!” lmao
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
I keep looking at that picture of Frasor and thinking "there's no reason we can only photoshop that if he doesn't deliver."
(Things that will make you sad: I considered adding unicorns, but they were scrapped.)
by mechanical turk on Jul 28, 2011 10:19 AM CDT reply actions 20 recs
Borrowed the animated rainbow like any good internet guy and used the hammer tool in photoshop repeatedly until I got this.
I have the psd if you want to add the unicorns yourself.
by mechanical turk on Jul 28, 2011 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm thinking you didn't see Jim's caption up top?
This picture is quite photoshoppable if Jason Frasor doesn’t deliver.
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
I'm thinking you didn't see his subject line?
Whales! Squids! Sharks! They're everywhere! Hello, I am Poseidon! Now, when people told me I was crazy that thinly sliced roast beef would be a delicious fast-food option, I knew it was the greatest idea, and you can thank me later for Arby's.
by Jim Margalus on Jul 28, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
I like your optimism, this is very cool.
And it suggests nyan cat’s flight originated in the bowels of our new middle reliever.
by 3E8 on Jul 28, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
looks like Pigpen if he were gay.
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 28, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Underrec'd
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jul 28, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I would hope so.
And after all that American Airlines did to help facilitate the trade-
"That might be how you roll at Camp Anawanna, Budnick. But where I come from, we only salute Old Glory." -moroots on May 23rd
by South Side Expat on Jul 28, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Teahen's an idiot if he didn't fly Porter
It’s like a ten minute walk to SkyDome after you get off the ferry.
like a zipper
I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.
by thatshortkid on Jul 28, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
That's where the song name comes from.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Wow.
I wikipedia’d YYZ to see if the Rush song had any correlation with the airport. I guess Rush’s hometown was Toronto. And the song’s main riff is based on the morse code for YYZ:
_ . _ _ _ . _ _ _ _ . .
That’s kinda cool.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 28, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I did the same thing.
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
That was the first time I heard the song, yeah.
Then I downloaded Moving Pictures and a ‘Best Of’ album. They’re pretty solid.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Jul 28, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
U.S. cities, huh?
Is Hawk a travel agent now?
"If you are looking for a good and quick treat, mosey on over to Hardees or KFC." -Jessy S
Jim, I'm expecting your angry missive, more than I'm expecting the Sox to make a deal to use Teahen's money.
In fact, I think the next closest deal would involve more salary dump: A portion of Alex Rios’ contract, the entirety of Alex Rios, and another player with actual value (Thornton?), for a replacement-level somebody to fill the void of the valuable player.
Without Thornton, I don’t feel like the Sox chances of winning the Central are dead. Viciedo may be good enough to compile more hits against lefty starters than Dunn. He could drive in a run. Maybe 2! Of course, the team’s win expectancy would be less, on paper, but Dunn’s baseball card has me questioning the reliability of paper.
If Quentin is moved, Viciedo takes his place in the starting lineup, and I see Dunn DHing against lefties for the rest of the year, I see a 2011 on-field competitive white flag. If they can dump some Rios money without that happening, I mostly see a larger white flag for Kenny’s ego and Reinsdorf’s wallet, while trying to maintain a plan to win the Central in 2011.
Why buy the cow when the milk is kinda bitchy?
I'd honestly like to know what the White Sox would have to do to trade Rios.
I imagine it’d be like when the Mariners and Cubs swapped Bradley and Silva, with the Sox taking on an equally massive contract.
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 28, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Those deals would probably be bad for the Sox
Rios is still a better bounce-back candidate than some of the other otherwise-unmovable contracts out there, for his age if nothing else.
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
Rios would leave town with a giant truckload of White Sox cash.
Why buy the cow when the milk is kinda bitchy?
by SkanchoDanza on Jul 28, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he's going to no matter what the outcome.
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 28, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
i'd like to think he'd have the pizazz to do it on a large sled filled with 'swag' bags
whilst rubbing his fingers together and biting on a silver dollar.
I picture Chicago children leaving a shot of bourbon and a few silver dollars on the coffee table before they go to bed
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Jul 28, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
...with his toe propped up and wrapped in a very large bandage.
White Sox 2011: The season of extraneous body parts.
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