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Here's an amazing stat about A.J. Pierzynski: This weekend marked the first time since 2006 that he failed to start consecutive games, under normal circumstances.

Over the past five years, it's taken unusual measures to take him out of the lineup. Ozzie Guillen sits him in the final week of the season after the Sox have been mathematically eliminated. Toby Hall started two consecutive games in July of 2007, but the first game was the second game of a doubleheader -- and Pierzynski ended up playing the last three innings of it. So given that Pierzynski ended up catching 12 innings in one day, Guillen gave him one more day off.

This time, the incredibly durable White Sox catcher couldn't get right back in the lineup after taking a pitch to the wrist on Friday. In order to find the last time Pierzynski didn't start in back-to-back games, you have to go all the way back to June 15-16 of the 2006 season, when Chris Widger took Pierzynski's place. Just like this time, the HBP knocked Pierzynski out of the lineup. Actually, Pierzynski was plunked twice, and still when it came to casualties from that game, he finished a distant second to Sean Tracey.

With Widger in the lineup, the Sox won the next two games. Tyler Flowers can make the same claim after catching a pair of victories over the Royals on Saturday and Sunday.

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On Saturday, Flowers hit his first major-league homer (for KenWo's kid!), along with a single and a walk over four trips to the plate. Starting the day game after a night game, he added two more singles. He's looked fine defensively, although he was charged with a throwing error on a ball Omar Vizquel should have blocked. Judging from his reaction, Vizquel looks like he thought he should've caught it.

Pierzynski will return to the lineup Tuesday, in all likelihood, and Flowers will resume playing once a week until 1) the Sox fall out of contention in September in 2011, or 2) the Sox fall out of contention in September of 2012. Quality looks for backup catchers come few and far between, so it's great to see him make a positive impact in a big series when an opportunity presents itself.

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Basestealing aside -- and that's a rather big aside -- Juan Pierre is on the verge of pushing all his offensive numbers past his 2010 averages. So Guillen feels justified in sticking with Pierre, and he's not entirely wrong...

... except when you tie it to the larger point that Pierre was one of three underperforming outfielders, and Guillen failed to address any of them. Pierre bounced back, which is a testament to his resilience. Alex Rios is hitless in his last 14 at-bats after showing signs of life, and Adam Dunn is flatlining.

Brett Ballantini focuses on the Canyonero in this great, comprehensive review of his catastrophic season:

The White Sox failed indelibly in doing so this year, with Dunn and players beyond. Instead, Dunn’s tendency to be in constant "I’m feeling better…I think" mode reflects that of the club as a whole, where every series is touted as the one where it all comes together and it defies its status as a mere .500 team.

At one point, Pierre was the easiest problem to solve. He turned his season around, which put the pressure on Bad and Worse. Maybe now that...

... Brent Lillibridge has stopped swinging and missing on three out of four pitches, Dunn will be pushed into the background. It's hard to tell at this moment, because a death in the family caused Dunn to miss the last two games.

Speaking of which, I wonder what you could get for preseason odds if you wanted to wager that Lillibridge would make starts at first base for important games in August. He appears to be a rather quick study ...

... even with some wicked hops being thrown his way. Lillibridge and John Danks were both broken by a bad break when a Billy Butler nubber kicked off something and shot up over Lillibridge's shoulder. It was originally ruled an error, but the official scorer rightfully reversed the call.

I like the ways both players handled it:

When Butler’s ball bounced up on Lillibridge in the sixth, the play initially was ruled an error before it was changed to a hit. The crowd of 25,517 booed loudly when the scoreboard showed the change, but Jeff Francoeur followed with a double to put an end to any debate.

‘‘I noticed the boos, which was one of the coolest things I’ve ever heard,’’ Danks said. ‘‘I don’t blame Lilly at all. I had two outs and should have pitched over it.’’

The Royals went on to score both their runs in the inning.

‘‘I thought it was going to be an easy out .  .  . and it just kicked up,’’ Lillibridge said of Butler’s hit. ‘‘Tough one. Little things to learn as a first baseman. Next time, I’ll definitely smother it and keep it in front of me.’’

 

And James wraps up a rather uneven week in easy-to-ready form.

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i think ozzie is entirely wrong

he’s really sucked at D, and his wOBA among LF’s in the majors is well below average. according to fWAR, he’s at replacement level.

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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 15, 2011 6:42 AM CDT reply actions  

Pierre

Has improved defensively as the year has gone on. With defense use multiple sources.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Aug 15, 2011 7:24 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Seeing as you are quoted in USA Today Sports Weekly

I tend to agree with this statement. You are the only reputable and widely quoted commenter in these parts.

by Rhubarb on Aug 15, 2011 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

hey hey. i was in the usa today first.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Aug 15, 2011 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol. jerk.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Aug 16, 2011 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

and rWAR says he's worth 0.7.

i would also note that his wOBA is probably quite average in the AL if you lower the plate appearances threshold to something like 300. of course, that may say more about his competition than him. but then, that also may well be the appropriate standard.

by larry on Aug 15, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was disappointed when we re-signed Pierzynski

and now I’m even more disappointed. I think Flowers is better offensively and better at throwing out runners. The only thing Pierzynski may have the edge on is calling a game but pitchers have veto power anyways, plus he has Danks pitching a no-no for 5 innings yesterday.

by striker on Aug 15, 2011 7:17 AM CDT reply actions  

I was disappointed when Flowers crapped the bed last year.

He kinda forced the Sox’s hand.

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by Jim Margalus on Aug 15, 2011 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

It was more disappointing that the organization didn't see any middle ground between Flowers as starting catcher or re-signing AJ to two years.

That said, it’s a relief that AJ’s performance last year apparently wasn’t the beginning of a swift, irreversible decline.

a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee

by big_fun on Aug 15, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought resigning AJ was a middle ground

They gave Flowers, who was looking like a poor man’s Josh Phlegley, another 3 months to restate his case for catcher, and he’s responded this time.

If Flowers keeps it up, then Castro doesn’t come back next year, or he decides to be the AAA catcher, and Flowers and AJ split catching duties next year. Or Castro is the back-up catcher, and AJ begins to transition into supersub, playing LF, 1B, C, 3B.

I wrote that last line of the last paragraph as a joke, but rereading it, if AJ is still posting a 750 OPS at the end of the year, this GM and manager have done weirder things than replacing Pierre with AJ in left field.

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by TasteeFreeze on Aug 15, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Reading that second paragraph gave me a stroke.

awoeiajldbnsdlhjaweopildfkjslkjherfdsgfs

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-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 15, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which part of it, exactly?

Flowers starting, Castro leaving, AJ as bench player, or AJ as starting LF?

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by TasteeFreeze on Aug 15, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

The "AJ as super-sub" part.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 15, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

a poor man's josh phegley?

if anything, josh phegley is a poor man’s tyler flowers.

by larry on Aug 15, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

hyperbole

wasn’t flowers being shopped this last off-season?

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by TasteeFreeze on Aug 15, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

i have no idea.

but KW shops everyone. not sure that means much of anything.

by larry on Aug 15, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Every (good) GM shops all of his players.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 15, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Flowers and AJ split catching duties next year

By “splitting” do you mean AJ continues to play in 130+ games regardless of how well or poorly he and his backup are respectively hitting? And would AJ really ever accept a reduction in playing time? I don’t think that’s going to happen. AJ under Ozzie is always going to be an inflexible roster situation in which the starting role will have to be pried from his cold dead hands.

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by big_fun on Aug 15, 2011 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not saying much

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Aug 15, 2011 7:25 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sure it is.

23 doubles! Someone has to hit. His OPS is higher than I bet you thought it would be.

But you are the conductor on the T-Flow train, so what else are you going to say. “Not saying much.” He and PK have been very consistent this year.

by winningugly on Aug 15, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh please.

Its got nothing to do with Flowers and everything to do with the pathetic outlay of the squad this year. Your sentence should have read Quentin and Konerko. Everything else is blah. So like I said “not saying much”

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Aug 15, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Quentin has not been consistent - very streaky and explosive.

Apologize. Or better yet, pay up when you lose at the end of the season. That’ll be good enough.

Where the hell were you Sat. night?

by winningugly on Aug 15, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Had plans and the monsoon didn't exactly inspire me to change them.

I think we likely split the wagers…..

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Aug 15, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

yep no way the Sox win 84 games.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Aug 15, 2011 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

>

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Aug 15, 2011 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Of course it is

but that’s not what he meant. If a sub .800 OPS is one of your hottest hitters, regardless of position its not saying much.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Aug 15, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Regardless of position."

Give the man his props. Your boy is now ensconced as a backup in the majors, so good for him. He’ll get his time. And no one is saying AJ is a “hot” hitter. I said he’s been a consistent outperformer of his pre-season projections.

by winningugly on Aug 15, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm pleased with his performance this year

Again you responded to my response of Ozcoop.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Aug 15, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

again.

if you’re getting a .326 wOBA from your catcher, it’s saying something. position is important. you’re talking out of both sides of your mouth here. i thought “the sox need hitters now.” if you’re getting a hitter from catcher, that certainly makes up for not getting a hitter someplace else.

by larry on Aug 15, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

right.

I’m pleased with AJ’s offense this year. He’s had some moments behind the dish, but who doesn’t? Why are we picking on AJ’s offense? He’s been solid.

"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ

by Shoeless In SC on Aug 15, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

For Christ's sake

I’m not picking on AJ. I’m slamming the rest the squad. I fully recognize AJ’s contribution to the offense. The offense that fucking sucks.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Aug 15, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fine Lar

I’m ecstatic the 3rd best hitter on my squad has a .750 OPS. Can you at least pretend you know what I was getting at? Is it nitpick day?

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Aug 15, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

AJ and Juan

On AJ I was pretty critical of bringing him back but for the most part he has given more offensively then I thought, and his defense is always bad (unless you buy into the “way he handles a staff” bunch of bullshit". I think his 6 mil salary next year is a massive overpay and Im happy with how flowers has played filling in.

Juan, not sure why ozzie has been on this guys junk so much from day one, but a quick and easy statistical analysis. OPS is the statistic that correlates best to a teams win/loss, individuals with a higher ops then other individuals are typically better offensive players thats as dumbed down as I can make it. Juan carries a 674 OPS even after his amazing hot streak, that ranks him 130th out of 155 eligible players. THEN factor in he plays a corner outfield spot POORLY cant steal a base, makes a pretty healthy salary, and half his home games are at hitter friendly US Cellular and its really pretty stupid to continue to defend him. Side note Beckham 140, Dunn 153, Rios 155, the fact this team is 500 is freaking incredible with all those holes in the lineup.

by Knoxfire30 on Aug 15, 2011 8:56 AM CDT reply actions  

And why do you think OPS correlates best to won/loss record

Run differential is run differential.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Aug 15, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I care what his year to date numbers are

because an april win and an august win are the same!

by Knoxfire30 on Aug 15, 2011 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

surely you are not serious?

Of course a win is a win but you can’t ignore a hitters relevant and recent history. Sorry Pierre’s last month and half did and is happening. Railing on him with the other team’s issues is just foolish.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Aug 15, 2011 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

162 game season

over that period I have an endless amount of players I would rather have on my team over Pierre

by Knoxfire30 on Aug 15, 2011 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah and if my aunt was a dude she'd be my uncle

that’s kind of not like the point.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Aug 15, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

i have lost the point

to me pierre is gonna hurt your team more then help it all things considered, i wish ozzie didnt like him because i have a terrible feeling he is going to be brought back next year

by Knoxfire30 on Aug 15, 2011 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I understand your point...and Tdogg's

You are thinking “We wouldn’t be in this mess should we have a better pierre”. Tdogg is thinking “We are in a mess, good that Pierre is hitting well now, we need good hitters more than ever”.
I think both have valid points

If you chase two rabbits both will escape!

by JofpGallagher on Aug 15, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think Jim's larger point is key

Just because Pierre worked out doesn’t excuse the ignoring of the other big holes or even that Dayan’s contribution might have been greater. But yes I’m glad he decided to hit.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Aug 15, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

It is scary to think that he will be brought back

At the end of the day he just isn’t a very good baseball player. Great guy and works hard, sets a good example for the rookies (all two of them) yada yada yada.

This team is obsessed with vets and respect to the point that it has hurt them and cost them wins. Omar Vizquel has no damn business being on a baseball player. Make him a staff member if they like his “influence” that much.

Ozzie’s loyalty to his players is a blessing and a curse. It causes problems but also is a big part of why players love being on this team and are willing to stay here. Ozzie is a good manager but he is great with managing players and egos.

by 815Sox on Aug 15, 2011 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which Aunt?

One of them looks rather mannish already.

by Name's Dalton on Aug 15, 2011 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

you don't need to dumb things down on SSS.

and OPS certainly is not the statistic that correlates best to a team’s win/loss.

by larry on Aug 15, 2011 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

it's AVE!

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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 15, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Any person in baseball will tell you

that the statistic that correlates best to a team’s win/loss is the combined record of your pitching staff.

Frank Thomas's wOBA at the time of the 1994 strike was .497. He was on pace to hit 54 homers, drive in 152 runs, walk 152 times, and pile up 10.5 WAR.

by mikecws91 on Aug 15, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

fun watching lillibridge play first

even when the ball bounces off a gopher’s head.

by tommyjoepeters on Aug 15, 2011 9:02 AM CDT reply actions  

What's a pederast?

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by homesickalien on Aug 15, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oooh, that's an insidious argument Opus Dei types make

to put the blame for child molesting priests on their victims and homosexuals.

Are you asking this question seriously?

This isn’t even an RRRR subject. It’s a whole other blog.

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by TasteeFreeze on Aug 15, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

a fancy way of explaining why you'll be away for 5-10 years.

I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.

by thatshortkid on Aug 15, 2011 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

And here I thought 13 would get you 20.

‘Course, larry wasn’t my lawyer.

"If you are looking for a good and quick treat, mosey on over to Hardees or KFC." -Jessy S

by Uribe Down on Aug 15, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Boy, this is good.

If this doesn’t drag a response out of him, nothing will.

by winningugly on Aug 15, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

+2

Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?

by Chiburb on Aug 15, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I will not apologize for going off the deep end in my last weekend in the Chicagoland area for at least three months.

My bender has coincided with an 8-3 run for the team. My soul is a small price to pay.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Aug 15, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

you're on the list, too.

pimping out your daughter. unseemly.

by larry on Aug 15, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

her rice krispies bring all the boys to the yard?

"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ

by Shoeless In SC on Aug 15, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

her rice krispie treats were amazing

it was a shame to see them ruined by the torrential downpour,

by Rhubarb on Aug 15, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Is this age 13 an inside joke or is there a quick story here?

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Aug 15, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Considering that I told U-God that I wouldn't mention it to anyone

but then he told everyone in attendence anyway, I am unsure. It was funny though.

by Rhubarb on Aug 15, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think this is a story to be told in person.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Aug 15, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

God dammit.

"I considered throwing a volley, but since I'm considerably closer to Ford City than Dodge City, I figure it might have been misinterpreted."

by RWShow on Aug 15, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Something to look forward to next May.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Aug 15, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, I was at the first one this year. Met Rhub, TP and SSE.

Obviously, I won’t be going to any more.

"I considered throwing a volley, but since I'm considerably closer to Ford City than Dodge City, I figure it might have been misinterpreted."

by RWShow on Aug 15, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep.

We’re the worst SSS has to offer!

"If you are looking for a good and quick treat, mosey on over to Hardees or KFC." -Jessy S

by Uribe Down on Aug 15, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Moe Joe's.

And they already are.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Aug 15, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Aug 15, 2011 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Is Erick Threets still available?

"If they’re angry and they’re embarrassed, they should be." - Ozzie Guillen’s take on how fans might consider feeling about the current dreadful state of the Sox (8/3/11)

by tailgater on Aug 15, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

2006

Ross Gload and Rob Mackowiak were in the lineup, and yet no WS repeat?

Tee hee.

"If they’re angry and they’re embarrassed, they should be." - Ozzie Guillen’s take on how fans might consider feeling about the current dreadful state of the Sox (8/3/11)

by tailgater on Aug 15, 2011 11:31 AM CDT reply actions  

Quiet your face.

I will not sit idly by as you cast dispersions in Ross Gload’s general direction.

Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death

by Hazymania on Aug 15, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ross Gload is like the guy you hire in the parking lot at the McDonald's

to come to your house, dig a hole, drag a heavy rolled up rug into it, fill the hole, take the $50 and STFU.

He does everything you ask him, and you buy him a hamburger when you drop him back off.

Capitalism at its finest.

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by TasteeFreeze on Aug 15, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dear Kenwo

Mags

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Aug 15, 2011 1:04 PM CDT reply actions  

you shut up.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Aug 16, 2011 2:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just like Omar!

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by South Side Expat on Aug 16, 2011 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tigers acquire Delmon Young

link

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Aug 15, 2011 1:42 PM CDT reply actions  

I'd rather know why the Tigers can replace the putrid offense of Mags

While Dayan freaking rots in AAA in the middle of a division chase.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Aug 15, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dayan's actually a secret agent

about to crack an Al Queda sleeper cell in Charlotte?

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by TasteeFreeze on Aug 15, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

The fuck are Der Twain trading inter-division?

THEY STILL. HATE. YOUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(“A Soldier’s Story”. It’s a stretch.)

by winningugly on Aug 15, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Intra-division

He’s a free agent at the end of next year. And a possible non-tender candidate this offseason. Why wouldn’t they.

a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee

by big_fun on Aug 15, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

and he homers off liriano

in his first PA. ha!

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by BuehrleMan on Aug 15, 2011 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

3 Players who cleared waivers:

Willie Harris
Carlos Lee
D.J. Carrasco

:D

by Pander on Aug 15, 2011 2:43 PM CDT reply actions  

also

adam dunn
alex rios
juan pierre
jake peavy

by larry on Aug 15, 2011 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Dunn and Rios

are no-brainer picks for the Cubs.

Ha, ha, ha, haaaaaaa!

"If they’re angry and they’re embarrassed, they should be." - Ozzie Guillen’s take on how fans might consider feeling about the current dreadful state of the Sox (8/3/11)

by tailgater on Aug 15, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

willie harris has a permanent place in Sox lore

Scored the winning run in game 4 of the WS on Dye’s grounder up the middle.

by ruffster on Aug 15, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

The link to the Sean Tracey incident made me remember something.

Fuck Vicente Padilla.

Frank Thomas's wOBA at the time of the 1994 strike was .497. He was on pace to hit 54 homers, drive in 152 runs, walk 152 times, and pile up 10.5 WAR.

by mikecws91 on Aug 15, 2011 2:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Looking ahead at the rest of the season. It doesn't look to good for the Sox.

    White Sox
3 Cle 2-1
3 Tex 1-2
2 @ LA 1-1
3 @ Sea 2-1
3 Min 2-1
3 @ Det 2-1
4 @ Min 2-2
4 Cle 2-2
3 @ Det 2-1
4 @ KC 2-2
3 KC 2-1
3 Tor 2-1

   24-18

      Det
3 Min 2-1
3 Cle 2-1
4 @ TB 2-2
3 @ Min 1-2
4 KC 2-2
3 Sox 1-2
3 @ Cle 1-2
3 Min 2-1
3 @ Sox 1-2
4 @ Oak 2-2
2 @ KC 2-1
4 Bal 2-2
3 Cle 2-1

   22-20

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by MrBungle on Aug 15, 2011 4:12 PM CDT reply actions  

How did you go about getting these numbers?

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by U-God on Aug 15, 2011 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Aug 15, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well you actually give us better odds than BP

You have us finishing 2 games out, they have us 3 games out.

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by Kyle321N on Aug 15, 2011 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

and that 4 game set at minny is a sweep

or a 3-1 with the home series a sweep.

163 baby.

by Trooper on Aug 15, 2011 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

haven't seen any mention of santos complaining about sale pitching in the ninth inning.

i understand he is somewhat saying what all players say about wanting a defined role. anyway, it’s disheartening.

“You would like a defined role and know when you’re going to pitch and everything,” Santos said. “I’ve spoken with Coop and Ozzie and this is the route they want to go so it’s the route we’re going, you know? That’s it really. When they call me to pitch I’ll pitch.”

and

“It’s not ideal but we have that luxury of having that,” Santos said about using whatever closer the situation calls for.

http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/6861233/chicago-white-sox-sergio-santos-ok-now-sharing-closer-role

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by BuehrleMan on Aug 15, 2011 5:03 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm going to use that in a piece for tomorrow.

Although it’s less about him.

I could see him getting upset about not getting more full innings to pitch. He’s allowed a hit and a walk over his last 7 1/3 innings, but they’ve been spread out over 12 starts. Kinda seems silly, especially when there’s talk of Crain being overused.

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by Jim Margalus on Aug 15, 2011 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, i can see him being confused about general usage.

a bunch of us have been since ozzie started using him for just one or two outs. i just don’t like him sounding like such a baby.

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by BuehrleMan on Aug 15, 2011 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

this is fantastic.
Santiago Casilla And The Worst Plate Appearance In Baseball History

The Giants were beating the Marlins 5-2 with none on and one out in the top of the ninth. A real pinch-hitter was preparing behind Eli Whiteside, but after Whiteside struck out, Bruce Bochy sent Santiago Casilla to the plate instead. Casilla had pitched in the bottom of the eighth, and Bochy didn’t want to remove him for a pointless at-bat with closer Brian Wilson unavailable.

So you can already see why this was weird. Casilla had pitched in the eighth inning of a close game because Casilla is a pitcher. Specifically, Casilla is a reliever. A decent reliever, but still a reliever, and a reliever who had never batted in the major leagues. It’s weird when relievers go up to hit. But what happened with Casilla turned out even weirder.

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/8/15/2364354/santiago-casilla-batting-video-jose-ceda-giants-marlins

by larry on Aug 15, 2011 6:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Read that and agree. Fun times!

Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?

by Chiburb on Aug 15, 2011 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

And a nice job by the writer.

Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?

by Chiburb on Aug 15, 2011 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Odds of that?

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Aug 15, 2011 8:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not sure

but here’s something you might enjoy.

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by MrBungle on Aug 15, 2011 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

600 for Thome.

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by ballyb on Aug 15, 2011 8:09 PM CDT reply actions  

wow, 599 and 600 in one game

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by HappyHuman on Aug 15, 2011 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

i just wish the sox could get a guy like him

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by whitesoxmatt on Aug 16, 2011 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

How would we ever get him enough at bats?

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by keystone connection on Aug 16, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

The damage is quite severe!

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Aug 15, 2011 8:10 PM CDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Your Face can't help it.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Aug 15, 2011 8:40 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

just roll with FTT throughout that series. works either way.

I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.

by thatshortkid on Aug 15, 2011 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Congrats Thome. One of the best to ever play!

and a very nice guy to boot

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by blackoutsox on Aug 15, 2011 11:49 PM CDT reply actions  

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