Ubaldo Jimenez Is Trouble
Even if the Indians have played well over their heads just to be a tick over .500 (and they have), acquiring Ubaldo Jimenez is an absolute good. For one, the Tribe handed over pitching prospects in exchange for him. As good as Drew Pomeranz and Alex White may now be, even in combination they're not likely to add up to one Ubaldo Jimenez. TINSTAAPP is real. Trading minor league pitchers for major league pitchers is a winning proposition at today's going rates.
On top of that, Jimenez may have the most team-friendly contract in major league baseball. As nice as it is to be paying a pitcher of Gavin Floyd's caliber $5M this season, Ubaldo will make about half that even though he's about a full win better than Gavin. The Indians gave up overrated (albeit still good) prospects and they're paying the guy peanuts. It's a great move for them. Vegas didn't like them to even win 75 games this year, but getting Jimenez puts them at just shy of 81 for 2012 in my opinion. They're in contention now and a couple more shrewd moves will put them right in the thick of things in 2012.
Because this guy is for realz. He's been just shy of Cy Young type numbers the past two seasons and this one hasn't been any worse. According to the Indians broadcasters, Jimenez says he has 5+ pitches. Watching him pitch and checking out the metrics, I'd guess he means he's got a rising fastball, a running fastball, curve, slider, and a splitter that he adds and subtracts from. Formidable sounding, right? Sure, but that's not to say there are no weaknesses.
His pure stuff is good. Both heaters are in the 93-96 mph range when he wants it, though he tends to start off at bats with 91-92 and then finish them with the good stuff. Nothing wrong with saving some wear and tear. Against righties, he's pretty efficient and solid with location. He tends to stay away, but will go up and/or in on the hands for whiffs and jam shots. Without the platoon advantage, as you might expect, he's less effective. He tries to move in and out, but he's still not really comfortable throwing it under the hands or away on the corner at this point. Hence he misses the zone more frequently and his off-speed stuff is less effectively set up for.
His curve isn't bad, but it's almost purely an early count offering and his command isn't so great that he steals a ton of strikes with it either. Certainly not a Floydian offering. The slider and splitter are where it's at. Both are average to above pitches for the most part, but his feel seems to come and go at times. Sometimes he'll throw the splitter too hard or spike it in the dirt when the count didn't call for one. His best split seemed to be around 84-86, but as Tim Belcher--his new pitching coach--mentioned, on average he throws it harder than that. Grounders aren't a bad result, but I think he could be getting more whiffs with some adjustments.
In his latest start against the Tigers, he seemed to be really missing his feel on the slider that led to a lot more fastballs than I think he'd ideally want to throw to righties. His problem there seems to be not getting on top of the thing enough. If he could trade some depth for the horizontal movement he's getting now I think he'd be better off.
So while his raw stuff is right there with pretty much anybody, his tinkering isn't really doing him any favors. His primary weakness right now is command. When he gets burned, it's because he'll throw something like this to Wilson Betemit with RISP. With his stuff, he's not gonna get beat a whole lot as long as he keeps it out of the wheelhouse. But down and in is right there to a guy like Betemit and pretty much anyone else with some pop for that matter.
Which is why he should cut down on the number of pitches he throws. That way he'd get more repetitions of those pitches and command would come a little faster. It's not that he doesn't have a good idea of how to pitch. It's just that he's overly cute with it. A guy with his stuff does not have to get cute.
All that said, he does seem to really capitalize when he gets ahead in the count. That's when he brought his best fastball and, to my eye, best splitter and slider. With the heater in particular Jimenez seems to do a very good job of giving the batter just a little more velocity than he can handle. Between that and two solid off-speed offerings, there's not a lot to dislike there. If Belcher can get him focused on not trying to do so much, he could really come into his own. As it is, he's merely very good and paid very little. Even if it doesn't come this year, it's not hard to imagine Jimenez as a centerpiece of the Indians' next playoff run.
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That's right!!
Sabermetrics hurt my head, just give me the facts.
not calling it a BUO doesn't take you off the hook if they lose.
by Trooper on Aug 16, 2011 2:47 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
yeah righties who throw hard and get groundballs
are not good for us.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
the nefarious Them
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
That was BF.
BEFORE FLOWERS!
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
or,
Before Fuckin’ Flowers!
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by TasteeFreeze on Aug 16, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Why would Tony Danza say that?
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 16, 2011 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
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When he gets burned, it’s because he’ll throw something like this to Wilson Betemit with RISP.
Like what?
Frank Thomas's wOBA at the time of the 1994 strike was .497. He was on pace to hit 54 homers, drive in 152 runs, walk 152 times, and pile up 10.5 WAR.
I assumed it was just an SB Nation player link.
Womp womp.
Frank Thomas's wOBA at the time of the 1994 strike was .497. He was on pace to hit 54 homers, drive in 152 runs, walk 152 times, and pile up 10.5 WAR.
How To Hit .161
Joe Pos with (yet) another a look at Adam Done.
http://joeposnanski.blogspot.com/2011/08/how-to-hit-161.html
Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?
by Chiburb on Aug 16, 2011 3:25 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Good write up but I can't tell if you really like him or not.
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above average fastball, average to above off-speed with good enough command.
and i mentioned he’s better and cheaper than Gavin Floyd.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
"As it is, he's merely very good and paid very little."
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
Ya but
“Sure, but that’s not to say there are no weaknesses.”
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I need my stuff to be crystal clear.
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Thanks reading compression isn't one of my strong points.
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by MrBungle on Aug 16, 2011 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
are those the names of your cats or something?
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
But is it a Heywood Jablome?
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a fine vintage
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
after everything i say, say "ketchup, rubber buns, and liquor"
"Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."
by boyonthedock on Aug 16, 2011 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
has anybody figured out why stan sitwell is managing the cubs?
"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza
by BoeJouma on Aug 16, 2011 4:02 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I do enjoy that he's an alpaca
3 things in life I care about
Sox, Colts, and Hawks.
Lifetime banners: '05, '07, '10
by Kyle321N on Aug 16, 2011 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who cares?
As long as he has a spare bowl of candy beans.
"If you are looking for a good and quick treat, mosey on over to Hardees or KFC." -Jessy S
by Uribe Down on Aug 16, 2011 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Passan on the strength of schedule for each team with playoff hopes
Sox have the sixth easiest. But the Indians are five and Detroit has the second easiest.
Not much love for having to include the Sox either.
Overview: Were it not for the bumbling AL Central, the White Sox wouldn’t even be on this list. As it is, they’re a .500 team that’s just 3½ games out of first place, and if they can just figure out how to win at home (26-33 this season) they could make some noise. The most vital challenge: a four-game series against the Indians that will show whether the White Sox have the stuff of a contender.
games/day isnt a factor i take it?
28 games in 27 days to close the season is rough.
He's streaky. I heard you the first 100 times. I don't care. Ride or die. -tdogg on c quentin
The Indians have played 3 fewer games than the White Sox.
So the Indians have more games in amount of days right?
The Tigers scare me the most.
Against a pitching staff that contains a Fister Below, hitters will always have to be on their guard.
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by MrBungle on Aug 16, 2011 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Original thought alert: If the White Sox win the division this year
It will be my best job ever in managing my fandom. The way I maneuvered thru the highs and lows will have been most impressive.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
by Tdogg on Aug 16, 2011 4:14 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
There have been highs?
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by TasteeFreeze on Aug 16, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
There was that time when I thought Viciedo was getting brought up.
I was feeling pretty good about the team then. And that time I thought we might get something of value for Edwin Jackson. Those were the days.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 16, 2011 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Boy, the way Glen Miller played.
Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?
Opening day, and the sweep of the Twins
beyond that, I’m drawing a blank.
Maybe getting rid of Teahan. De Asa getting called up.
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by TasteeFreeze on Aug 16, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't forget the series in NY.
They didnt.
Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?
Silly people
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
by Tdogg on Aug 16, 2011 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
merkin
Flowers stopped to sign autographs in front of the ballpark today. The seekers told him Lucy was up and AJ was on the DL.
Flowers didn’t really believe them
Footsteps, Tyler.
Fusilli footsteps.
by winningugly on Aug 16, 2011 5:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I imagine Flowers reacting like Henry Bemis after breaking his glasses.
by mechanical turk on Aug 16, 2011 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
you're the best there ever was.
along those lines, both the Simpsons and Futurama takes on that are great. as is the original for that matter. i think it’s actually streaming on Netflix these days? i went back and watched it somewhere anyway and thoroughly enjoyed myself.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
It is and Serling was the man.
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