Reading Room: Picking on Dunn
by Jim Margalus on Aug 2, 2011 5:30 AM CDT
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Adam Dunn's season hit a new low on Monday night, and I'm not talking about the boos received before he even came to the plate (a hard grounder ramped off his mitt and into right field; ruled a RBI single).
Nor am I talking about the cringe-inducing half-swings on two challenge fastballs that caused me to watch strike three from between my fingers.
I'm talking about CC Sabathia's postgame quotes about that particular at-bat:
And with the game on the line in the sixth and the eighth, Dunn struck out both times and Sabathia knew he could get him. In the eighth, with none on, two outs and the Yankees clinging to a one-run lead, third baseman Eric Chavez came up to Sabathia and told him not to give in to Carlos Quentin because Dunn was on-deck, according to the Yankees ace.
"I mean, you know it’s there, and he’s just having a tough year," said a respectful Sabathia of Dunn. "You don’t want to make mistakes, you don’t want to give in, you don’t want to get lazy and make a pitch that you’ll regret.
"He’s had a tough year. I know he hadn’t hit lefties really good this year, so like I said, I was just trying to make pitches and I ended up getting him in some tough spots."
Sabathia sounds like he's defending his exploiting of a programming glitch. But instead of getting a goalie stuck in the corner of the net on a wraparound goal in NHLPA '93, he's striking out a $56 million hitter in real life.
Man, Dayan Viciedo needs to get healthy, and fast.
The other pact participant, Alex Rios, is choosing to keep his words to a minimum regarding the presence of Alejandro De Aza. I'm not sure if this means that Rios doesn't think he deserves to be bench, but either way, this is a step forward in not actively hurting the team anymore.
James' post starts with, "Why are the White Sox bad at the things they care about?" My theory -- if they're guilty of anything, they're guilty of loving too much.
Paul Konerko's knee could be worse, but it's going to keep him out for at least one more day. Man, Dayan Viciedo needs to get healthy, and fast.
Bartolo Colon, who will start for the Yankees on Thursday, eclipsed 100 innings for the first time since 2005. Larry Rothschild calls him "the glue" of the Yankees rotation. Both of these things are weird.
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From workhorse to glue: the Bartolo Colon story.
by FlyingSpaghettiMonster on Aug 2, 2011 5:39 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 8 recs
Good night, sweet prince.
Affirmed.
by dr. lingerie on Aug 2, 2011 6:56 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That Dunn at bat in the 8th was the worst non-pitcher AB I have ever seen
"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 2, 2011 6:36 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
i forget
is he their designated hitter?
by tommyjoepeters on Aug 2, 2011 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions
which other current managers would continue trotting Dunn out there to bat cleanup against lefties?
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
What choice does Ozzie really have?
This is a guy who has an established record as a middle-of-the-order hitter. With paulie hurt, you’d bat Q 3rd, AJ 4th and Alexei 5th? I understand your point, but what are Ozzie’s alternatives?
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 2, 2011 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Blow up female dolls?
"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 2, 2011 8:18 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
This.
Not really a lot of options at this point.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 2, 2011 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions
dude, I don't care who you throw up there. Anyone but Dunn.
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 2, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm glad we decided not to sell off our parts and go for it
That’s work out well, along with every other KW decision
Yeah
Shocking they aren’t running over the 2 best teams in the Al.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
by Tdogg on Aug 2, 2011 7:25 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Considering their recent record
I don’t understand your point. They came out of the break to go 5-3 on an important road trip and lost 4 games at home with pitchers that included verlander Lester and cc. Complain about real shit.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
by Tdogg on Aug 2, 2011 7:46 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I work twice as hard as I used to,
"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 2, 2011 7:56 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
My point is that we should have dumped some players
because we aren’t going to make the playoffs this year. Of course I’m assuming we had good deals available for some players.
My point is nothing has changed to make it more or less likely they make playoffs
in the past week.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Williams quiet deadline.
While it may have made for a dull deadline, Williams’ failure to act at the trade deadline may have been the right decision. The White Sox have actually gone 42-36 since a terrible April, and — although it may be wishful thinking at this point — there’s no way Adam Dunn and Alex Rios can continue be this bad all season. With 37 games left against AL Central opponents, the White Sox still have the opportunity to live up to their pre-season potential. Despite the quiet deadline, the White Sox are still very much contenders in the AL Central. This time, the moves that Kenny Williams didn’t make may be exactly what the White Sox needed.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Yes, they can continue to be this bad (Done and Rio$)
"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 2, 2011 8:11 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Not if you use De Aza and Viceido to offset them.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Agreed
Not sure that is the point he is getting at though. I’m just sick of hearing that both ofnthem can’t stay this bad all season. Yes they can and they have.
"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 2, 2011 8:15 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
And others, like PK, can regress
or get hurt. Who has been injured for any significant time other than Peavy? We are a sub-.500 team this year. That’s what our record says. That is how you are measured.
The White Sox will win 83-85 games this year.
would you care to lose more booze?
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
You can drive a truck through that range,
especially in this division where one game will matter. Pick a hole.
lol okay thought that's pretty narrow
but I say 84 wins. Better?
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Make him buy you some riserva stuff wu.
Some chianti classico or something.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 2, 2011 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions
He'll have to do what MarketMaker did last year.
(Actually, MM went over the top. Some nice Le Crema Pinot Noir is fine.)
Im going to facebook you
every time I open your bottle and drink
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
That's like $20 a bottle?
Screw that. I’ll take some Beam, Knob, or Maker’s.
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 2, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
84 ain't gonna cut it.
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 2, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
they should have called up viciedo months ago... and now that de aza is here he isn't playing anyway.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
I work twice as hard as I used to, for half the pay!
And kids these days, don’t get me started. They are lazy and have this since of self-entitlement. Hipsters, who are these slobs?! School buses, our schools waste money on these giant yellow gas guzzlers?! When I was a kid, I walked to school… 11 miles. I had to leave for school at 3am. Oh don’t get me started!
"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 2, 2011 7:59 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
yOu should have beaten CC last night.
He didn’t have his top stuff. And the Verlander game you were in as well. The only one of those starters you listed that actually beat us was Lester.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 2, 2011 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions
lol
Okay your point? Verlander blowing a 99 mph fastball by Konerko 100+ pitches in does quite a bit to help his “lucky” win. Cmon on man you understand the point.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
I think the issue isn't who we lost to,
It’s how we lost.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 2, 2011 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions
This.
Look T, you still think this team has a run in it. I don’t anymore. i’ve seen enough. Dunn and Rios wouldhave to hit every thing they see for the rest of the year just to get to league average. That’s not going to happen. Carlos Quentin isn’t going to just become a consistent hitter. Morel isn’t going to start getting on base more and Beckham isn’t going to evolve into the superstar, or even All-Star, we had hoped. I don’t trust Peavy to stay healthy, I don’t trust Ozzie to keep control of this thing when his loud mouth kid is still taking dumbass twitter shots at player who aren’t here, I don’t trust Kenny to fix the mess that he created. This team doesn’t pass the stats test (other than the pitching staff) and it certainly doesn’t pass the eye test. Watching this team play nearly 100 games in 2011 I’ve seen enough.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 2, 2011 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions
What run?
It continues to amaze me that folks act like they’ll shocked a team probably on pace for 83 wins (gasp) acts like a team on pace for 83 wins.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
I had them as winning more than 83 games.
And I don’t think they’ll even get there.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 2, 2011 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions
no no Rhubarb that is clearly impossible man
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
They aren't on pace for 83 wins.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 2, 2011 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Why because of their season record?
Have you learned nothing on this site?
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Drama queen.
Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?
by Chiburb on Aug 2, 2011 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
lmao me?
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
No, answering your question.
Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?
What's there to be dramatic about?
The Sox are bad.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 2, 2011 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions
They have 55 games left
To get to 83 wins they have to go 31-24. That isn’t that difficult considering their schedule. I will admit that they have not played at a 31-24 level all year though. They have to get hot and teams usually do at one point in the season.
They are going to have to win more than 83 games to win the division.
Detroit isn’t going to die and Cleveland, as much as I can’t believe it, is still playing better ball than the Sox are.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
you're probably right, except about cleveland.
which is why the white sox playoff chances are projected to be 20-25%. to be a near certainty to win this division, it’s probably 85 or 86 wins. but detroit may stumble. the white sox will need to help them stumble, most likely.
cleveland could be having one of those weird seasons man.
every time i think they are dead ass dribble hits 3 homers including a walk off.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
They have lost 8 of 11
They are fading. A win yesterday doesn’t change that.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
they're 21-32 in the last two months.
which is far more reflective of their talent, even with their additions, than what they did before. they’re going to be under .500 the rest of the way.
i think you're right.
but i’ve been looking up at them for 4 months now.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
the tribe are done.
tigers are team to beat.
So, I say this more with admiration than anything else: I love that Kenny Williams went out and acquired the two worst players in the American League so far this year. - Joe Posnanski
You forget how they started (both)
It takes time
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Yes I agree
More likely 85 gets it done.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
The white sox have 55 games left, counting the 2 rainouts
1 against the Twins, and 1 against the Indians.
If they play the 2 against Min and Cle, which could be a push, as they’re all going to be under .500 and out of it end of September, they have to go 31 and 24.
Those 2 games probably won’t get rescheduled, so they’ll have to go 31 and 22.
I don’t see it.
sideways smiley face
what you likely see is a return of the offense to the May-June level
which would be pretty important. I know scary but true.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Maybe they built a team around 80-85 degree summer days
and never planned for global warming. Now they have an Edmonton team playing in San Antonio.
Blast that global warming!! (skyward fist-shake)
sideways smiley face
by TasteeFreeze on Aug 2, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I thought they took an 88 win team last year with a shit DH
and upgraded the bullpen and (gasp!!) the DH, which should have pushed them to at least 90 wins. Instead, with the same team, it’s all taken a massive, humiliating step backwards.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 2, 2011 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions
83-84 makes sense
They haven’t been playing all that bad since April, while losing these games sucks, once they get over this the schedule gets alot easier. I think we exercise some of our Twins demons next time we see them.
Are people forgetting stumbling in to the division in 2008, at least that is how I remember it. The Tigers have a tough series against the Rangers starting today. The Tigers pitching is as flawed as our offense.
I am not saying they will win, but to say the season is over with so many games left is jumping the gun.
You keep saying a below .500 team is on pace for an above .500 record,
which is some fuzzy fucking math, dude. I know you’re excluding this bad week or that bad week or whatever, but they’re below .500 on the year, which means they’re on pace to be BELOW .500 ON THE YEAR.
"I have zero enthusiasm for my career, home, physical fitness, or any number of personal relationships with other humans and pets. It’s called 'being alive,' Frank Wren. Now hold your nose and make a deal, pussy." - dr. lingerie
of course its fuzzy math
if you want to look at the season record of any mlb team and think it all reflects their pace knock yourself out.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
So, shrink the sample size and suddenly the math makes more sense?
How about just not using this terrible, terrible argument of “pace”. Just say you think they’re better than they’ve been.
By the way, you going to the shuttle landing? Cause Mr. Humber is returning to earth! (I talk trash out of my anger at the Sox, don’t mind me – they are reaaaaaaally on my nerves.)
"I have zero enthusiasm for my career, home, physical fitness, or any number of personal relationships with other humans and pets. It’s called 'being alive,' Frank Wren. Now hold your nose and make a deal, pussy." - dr. lingerie
This. I don't think they're better than we've seen.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 2, 2011 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Hell no they aren't; shit, thank God Paulie has done what he's done
and Humber was out of his mind, and this bullpen…
:::deap breath:::
Football.
"I have zero enthusiasm for my career, home, physical fitness, or any number of personal relationships with other humans and pets. It’s called 'being alive,' Frank Wren. Now hold your nose and make a deal, pussy." - dr. lingerie
Gonna be a long year for the Bears too (although your particular allegience escapes me).
Possibly the 3rd best team in that division.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 2, 2011 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions
We'll RR this when the time comes, old boy.
"I have zero enthusiasm for my career, home, physical fitness, or any number of personal relationships with other humans and pets. It’s called 'being alive,' Frank Wren. Now hold your nose and make a deal, pussy." - dr. lingerie
dude "recent pace"
We have discussed multiple times what goes into that.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
"recent pace" = "sss"
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 2, 2011 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions
What's small about 75 games?
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
The total dismissal of the other 32 games.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 2, 2011 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Why are those 75 more representative?
I think it’s an arbitrary line drawn to help you make your point; and I’m not drawing my line there. It’s not like they suddenly started playing a shit-ton better 75 games ago.
"I have zero enthusiasm for my career, home, physical fitness, or any number of personal relationships with other humans and pets. It’s called 'being alive,' Frank Wren. Now hold your nose and make a deal, pussy." - dr. lingerie
Only thing that happened was Juan Pierre stopped sticking it in Thornton's rear end,
and Sale became Sale again, etc. The team didn’t become good.
"I have zero enthusiasm for my career, home, physical fitness, or any number of personal relationships with other humans and pets. It’s called 'being alive,' Frank Wren. Now hold your nose and make a deal, pussy." - dr. lingerie
English, please.
"I have zero enthusiasm for my career, home, physical fitness, or any number of personal relationships with other humans and pets. It’s called 'being alive,' Frank Wren. Now hold your nose and make a deal, pussy." - dr. lingerie
No, I just have no idea what your point was.
Try making one instead of sarcastically shitting on mine.
"I have zero enthusiasm for my career, home, physical fitness, or any number of personal relationships with other humans and pets. It’s called 'being alive,' Frank Wren. Now hold your nose and make a deal, pussy." - dr. lingerie
that wasn't sarcasm you made the point that players, like juan pierre and chris sale, started playing like they should.
hence, their record reflected that.
He means that they started doing what they'd done historically.
Fair point. But unlike Thornton and Pierre, Dunn and Rios have gotten worse as the season has gone one with no signs of coming out of it.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 2, 2011 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions
sure.
doesn’t change that the white sox are a better team than they showed in april and it’s not crazy to think that their record since that point is more reflective of their true talent (even with dunn and rios sucking) than their overall record.
Yes, they're a better team than what we saw in April.
But true talent doesn’t necessarily translate to wins on the field, and that’s all that matters. This team isn’t winning games it should.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 2, 2011 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
they aren't?
i think people just see close games all the time and think they’re winnable. this is just a shitty offense. they’re more likely to lose 3-2 than win 4-3.
I was talking about the 1-7 record against the Twins
and all the games you’ve lost to the Royals and the like.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 2, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
What is you guys malfunction with good?
No one is saying this team is great.They are Ok. A little above avg. That’s good enough to compete in this division. Do you really know what “bad” is? Of course you do.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Im sorry the two of yous!
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Dude, you think they're going to go 6+ over in the next 55 games.
I think that’s insane.
Welcome to our impasse!
"I have zero enthusiasm for my career, home, physical fitness, or any number of personal relationships with other humans and pets. It’s called 'being alive,' Frank Wren. Now hold your nose and make a deal, pussy." - dr. lingerie
lol
umm okay. If you say so.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Do we get to play the NL again?
I mean, I haven’t checked the schedule…
;-)
"I have zero enthusiasm for my career, home, physical fitness, or any number of personal relationships with other humans and pets. It’s called 'being alive,' Frank Wren. Now hold your nose and make a deal, pussy." - dr. lingerie
Mariners and Orioles 7 games, Texas and Angels 5 games
The rest is an AL Central mishmash, leading up to Judgement Day with Herr Teahen in the last series of the year. Lets say we go 5-2 against M’s/O’s and 2-3 against Angels/Rangers. That is 2 wins up. 2-1 against Blue Jays…thats 3! Then we have to play the AL Central tough. There is nothing that says we can’t be 4 wins up on the Centra out of 40 games.
unfortunately the markakis effect still exists.
the next time we get him out i think will be the first.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Hmm why is a team's more recent pace for relevant?
Of 75 is just a made up number. The point was the low point of a early season.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
you're right.
sox lost 3 of 4. so- final record should be around 70-92!
AAAHHHHH!
So, I say this more with admiration than anything else: I love that Kenny Williams went out and acquired the two worst players in the American League so far this year. - Joe Posnanski
Ehh. It's possible.
If we weren’t in the AL Central, I’d say we’re donezo too. But you underestimate how terribly mediocre this division is. If we can win series against them, we’ll be right there.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 2, 2011 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Well yeah AL East or even chasing Texas
Sell away. Fearless prediction. Finish rest of the week 4-2. Enter next Monday 1 game under .500
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Yep.
Familiar territory. We will flip the switch the last series of the year, sweep it, and finish 82-80.
If we shit the bed against the Twain this weekend
I am going to have a real tough time remaining optimistic. The Aug. 13 methup will be an Irish wake.
that's probably fair.
I don’t think they will though.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
I'm gonna bet we finally win a series agains teh Twian this weekend.
I’m gonna go to one or two of the games.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 2, 2011 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, they are 12-32 in their last 44 against Twain
This does not inspire confidence and none of our problems have corrected themselves as of yet.
cant argue that
No PK. No chance.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
It was on the RR broseph
SSE is buying tickets on the 4th. Email him. Look for A Late Summer’s Night Methup
or playing .500 ball.
So, I say this more with admiration than anything else: I love that Kenny Williams went out and acquired the two worst players in the American League so far this year. - Joe Posnanski
Well all I really wanted out of this homestand was 5-5
and I thought winning that 1st Boston game was rather important. If they can win 2 of the next 3 I think they’ll be fine. Iits obvious (at least to all of us) that Viceido is so needed right now its not even funny. I know super two is a possible issue but I have to believe Lillibridge should start packing his bags.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
i thought sunday was really important.
didnt expect much of anything yesterday and thats what i got.
i’d be good with 2 of the next 3.
So, I say this more with admiration than anything else: I love that Kenny Williams went out and acquired the two worst players in the American League so far this year. - Joe Posnanski
I thought Sunday was important too
Sure it’s hard to beat the Verlanders and Sabathias, but that’s why beating the crappy minor league free agent starters like Andrew Miller are important. How much you want to bet Miller gets rocked his next outing by a real offense.
Meh
Yes Sunday would have been nice but I wasn’t expecting great results. Boston has been rolling lately. They lost 6 games in July.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
We had their number.
6 in a row. Optimists have pointed out how we’ve done well against potential playoff teams so far. Most of that was our Boston record. Not now.
Oh, and we’ve had home court.
I agree.
I’m just saying – as long as we mention “regression” in a positive sense let’s also mention it in the real meaning of the word.
pitching around quentin, huh?
he is literally terrible (again) at the moment.
(from july 24-july 31dunn had an OPS .273 points higher than quentin)
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
Does it matter?
I’d pitch around everyone to get dunn in lefty lefty spots. Ozzie is beyond pissing me off between the bunting and insistence of dunn up in the order.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
by Tdogg on Aug 2, 2011 7:29 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
most of the bunting is terrible.
i was fine with making bridge bunt the second time. he’s not a good hitter and it was first and second no out with the sox down by one. the first bunt, at the time at least, i thought he was bunting for a hit.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
Stop bunting, period. All bunts are are outs, and this team in particular cannot afford to give up outs.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 2, 2011 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions
but swinging away doesn't seem very productive, either.
I go with leaning out over the plate and taking one for the team. Over and over and over and over.
sideways smiley face
Shiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeet, swinging away was the way you scored your runs last night.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 2, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
You're streets behind on these references.
"If you are looking for a good and quick treat, mosey on over to Hardees or KFC." -Jessy S
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Whatever.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 3, 2011 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree with the bunting
If we had some base stealers, it would be a different story.
Tough stretches like the one the White Sox are in, at home of all places, makes me happy that the Brewers didn’t hire Joey Cora as their manager. At least we have a back up plan when Ozzie takes his talents to south beach.
Cora is basically Ozzie Lite
If you don’t want Ozzie, you aren’t going to want Joey.
"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 2, 2011 8:07 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I feel like this has been said 3,531,315 times.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 2, 2011 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions
that is because it has been
also you would think that Ozzie gets kicked out enough to know how Cora manages. I think when Ozzie is kicked out he actually goes to the clubhouse and lets Cora manage. Instead of sitting in the hallway.
i was thinking last night that if only the sox had one, maybe two more guys who could hit they might be relevant.
you know, like a 56M dollar DH maybe, or a 60M dollar CF.
Mogilny was unstoppable in NHL93, I can guarantee a hat trick with him against any of you still today in that game.
So, I say this more with admiration than anything else: I love that Kenny Williams went out and acquired the two worst players in the American League so far this year. - Joe Posnanski
Pfft, I'd play as Chelios and you wouldn't get across the blue line.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 2, 2011 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions
we banned the hawks in our little circle.
So, I say this more with admiration than anything else: I love that Kenny Williams went out and acquired the two worst players in the American League so far this year. - Joe Posnanski
In the already weird season
Q continues his crazy ass road/home split.
.230/.327/.402 home
.289/.371/.588 road
that’s just fucking weird.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Marriage sucks.
Especially when you have to face your wife over dinner and you are a baseball player who can get tang in any city in the country.
We banned that goalie glitch.
If you score off the person using it, you get punched in the arm until it’s dead, then you have to let them score on you. Although I’d usually just give my brother a dead arm whenever he scored, even if he didn’t use the glitch. That’s what he gets for using Yzerman.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 2, 2011 8:21 AM CDT reply actions
left, right, left, shoot right~
So, I say this more with admiration than anything else: I love that Kenny Williams went out and acquired the two worst players in the American League so far this year. - Joe Posnanski
Question?
MLB.TV didn’t show many replays on the Dunn/Gardner play, but it appeared to me that Gardner would have been safe regardless; even if Dunn had not botched the toss. I’m not trying to defend Dunn’s overall play especially at the plate – just curious.
This team is so damn frustrating. I think they’re just one or two timely hits per game from a whole different scenario. Rios in-particular, and Dunn are extremely disappointing. If Rios comes to the plate with RISP I head for the kitchen to get a snack.
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
Okay, seriously??? This wasn't photoshopped?
The man looks like a freaking vulture.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 2, 2011 8:50 AM CDT reply actions
Well, he does pick the bones of his enemies clean.
Little Bighorn. Classic small sample size. -Skancho Danza
by keystone connection on Aug 2, 2011 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol nice
i can hear the screech already
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
hsa arms!
"If you are looking for a good and quick treat, mosey on over to Hardees or KFC." -Jessy S
by Uribe Down on Aug 3, 2011 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tommy John surgery is just a pitch away: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/tom_verducci/03/08/stephen.strasburg.mechanics/index.html
by Jake1102 on Aug 2, 2011 9:12 AM CDT reply actions
Stupid trade deadline
if only it was a week later, this team is once again dead in the water, the yanks and twins will burry them just enough that when they make some stupid run to get a little bit close again it will just suck us all in for one more time this year only to watch former all star talents implode, base running errors mount, and rediculous managerial decesions cost us outs and then games
kenny should have sold high on quentin, and been more serious about moving some of the older players with value like thornton, not saying a huge fire sale was needed but some small adjustments to rework salary and give immediate 2012 dividens was possible
No one is making you watch.
And if Q has another good road trip, and stays healthy for the whole season, I could argue it would increase his value over what it was now. That’d be two years in a row he’s stayed pretty healthy, which I would think is more of a concern for other teams than his true talent.
While yes, he’s very streaky, I think we all know at this point he’s a solid power hitter, who can play a capable RF.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 2, 2011 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
find it hard to believe
a year and two months of a pennant run with a guy is less valuable then a year of the same guy
cq is what he is, he produces but its always been in chunks and i still find it shocking he has put together a couple healthy seasons, guys with his injury history usually find a way to get hurt at some point, the sox are playing with borrowed time
i watched 10-15 win bulls seasons in their entirety and I dont think they were as painful as watching this sox team play…
firm belief
guys who get hurt find a way to get hurt, kerry wood for example fell out of a hot tub once, just a theory i have
sox have the best training staff in the business maybe they have worked a small miracle with cq, but with his impending free agency after 2012 and a solid replacement option in viciedo i thought it was time to sell high
I think the injury thing is an urban myth
However, the free agency thing bites me. Even after bad seasons, Q has been turning down any overtures of a deal. He is going to become a free agent, and take top dollar, bar none. I expect he will have zero loyalty.
for this reason, I say sell high.
sideways smiley face
Some guys move past injuries
It does happen.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Lots of really good players produce in chunks.
Hence the mantra “SSS”. Spread out the cycles and you have a more accurate sense of predicted performance.
Well a lot more teams are in it during the winter.
At this point, there were only so many teams that could use a RF and still in contention. In the winter, there are more potential suitors.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 2, 2011 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
my opinion
contenders always pay more to go for it, lots of rumors granted they were just rumors had teams "hot " for quentin not sure what his market will be this winter when also many more players are available
If you trade him
An 8 mill Quentin is still appealing. Besides you might prefer to have him and Dayan in the corners instead.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
whoa whoa whoa
you mean we would WANT power in the corner outfield spots, no no no im much happier with out that, HA
can add the 1 hr from morel to the corner power outage as well
So wait.. you just bitched about not trading Q.
Now you bitch about not having power in the corners? Which is it?
by Grinder in Training on Aug 2, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
But who leads off?!!!?!
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 2, 2011 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Is he the new Jerry Owens?
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 2, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Naw hes the 4th OF on the team
with his bro who would have just signed a long term deal!
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
jordan danks
i have no faith in him as a regular, NONE,
but if their is truth to how good he is in the outfield and on the bases, then yea 4th outfielder of the future, YIPPEE!
The key in that sentence... you missed it.
Focus!
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
uh
use him to get john to sign long term? not a big believer in that logic but if it helps sure
hehe
oh man, cant wait for the we have to resign pierre talk to start, CANT WAIT!
i said awhile ago that pierre is going to be re-signed. nothing has changed, apparently.
that’s the nightmare.
So Pierre in left, Rios in center and Q in right?
Holy Moses, drown me now.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 2, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, they aren't going to keep both Q and Pierre.
But under Tdogg’s scenario, you still have JP, ToeJam and Q.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 2, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
I understand larry's thought pattern
but I think they cut ties with Pierre.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
yeah he'll be resigned with Ozzie.
Both in Florida.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Is this a recurring nightmare you've been having, or do you have
SOURCES!
Serious question, because if they do, I’m going on strike.
"I have zero enthusiasm for my career, home, physical fitness, or any number of personal relationships with other humans and pets. It’s called 'being alive,' Frank Wren. Now hold your nose and make a deal, pussy." - dr. lingerie
player that was more streaky than WU's underpants and Carlos Quentin?
Ray Durham. That guy would light it up for 2 weeks and then go 0-20 in tee ball the next week.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
its immediate
in terms of the next time i think we can win the division, but its been a pessimistic few days
Glad to see that Colon piece posted. That is weird
Maybe he grew an entirely new arm.
steroids
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
Stem Cells
Shit’s for real. No steroids necessary.
by Name's Dalton on Aug 2, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
hgh
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
Not necessarily
Maybe the stem cells were injected and the doctor also gave Bartolo GHRP-6. Possibly combined with GHRH. That cocktail is legal with a prescription from an endocrinologist.
by Name's Dalton on Aug 2, 2011 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions
So let me get this straight...
Sale’s DNA is being spliced with a vulture, while Colon has been injected with something that has given him Wolverine’s Healing factor. For goodness sake when will MLB step in to curb these Performance Enhancing Mutations?!? PEB’s are killing the sport.
Little Bighorn. Classic small sample size. -Skancho Danza
by keystone connection on Aug 2, 2011 4:22 PM CDT reply actions
* PEM's .... der.
Little Bighorn. Classic small sample size. -Skancho Danza
by keystone connection on Aug 2, 2011 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
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