It's still time for Viciedo
Carlos Quentin's mild acromioclavicular ("AC") joint sprain in his left shoulder provides yet another opportunity for the White Sox to finally call-up Dayan Viciedo. Injury to the second most productive offensive player isn't the ideal scenario for this (over the past few months, we've gone over about a half dozen different ways to get him on the roster). But this is perhaps the cleanest because nobody's feelings would get hurt.
The White Sox say Quentin is "day to day." But they also say he isn't going to play until at least the Seattle series that begins on Friday.
With Alejandro De Aza playing predictably competently and Brent Lillibridge hitting (almost) like pre-2011 Adam Dunn, as well as Paul Konerko being relegated to DH duties until September, some of the urgency for a move for an outfielder/DH may appear to be lacking. Since the Yankees series debacle, the White Sox offense has averaged just over 5 runs per game. That is a full run more than they've averaged this season but that's not really a great output for an alleged hot streak.
And that's sort of the point. This still isn't a good offense. And while the White Sox are right to be initially conservative with Quentin, at 5 games out (potentially 5.5 after Detroit's game tonight) they really can't afford to wait until after the Angels series to make a decision on whether to place him on the DL.AC joint sprains, even of the allegedly mild variety, hurt like hell. And the pain doesn't go away quickly. Worse, this is Quentin's front shoulder when he's batting. We all know Quentin's china doll reputation, which he fully deserves. And we've all seen Quentin's production when he's a broken china doll (even when allegedly mildly broken).
The White Sox should take the off day today to evaluate their options. Maybe take a look at Brendan Ryan's quite comparable situation (mild AC joint sprain to front shoulder), which has kept him out since August 3. Maybe think about how Quentin plays when he's not healthy. Maybe take a look at what Viciedo has done in Charlotte (.299/.366/.491). Maybe take a look at what he's done recently (last ten games: .324/.415/.647). And then, if Quentin isn't feeling significantly better, maybe take a look at flights from Atlanta to LA.
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(over the past few months, we've gone over about a half dozen different ways to get him on the roster)
They say the 7th time’s the charm!
Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?
Our Dayan who art in Charlotte
Forgotten be your name
Your time will come
And roster spot taken by Dunn
In Chicago, where beef is heavenly
Give us this day our daily AAA homer
Forgive us of our GM
As we forgive our GM
And lead us into September
And deliver us from .500
For thine is the fate
To stay in Charlotte
And OPS 1.000
Forever and ever
3 things in life I care about
Sox, Colts, and Hawks.
Lifetime banners: '05, '07, '10
by Kyle321N on Aug 22, 2011 2:07 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Tank warfare is not yet antiquated.

Aim for the Rally Monkey!
White Sox 2011: The season of extraneous body parts.
by greenlight on Aug 22, 2011 2:07 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
you're not kidding it's still not a good offense.
it is possibly not a coincidence that of the 5 teams the sox have played since the yankees series, 3 of them (BAL, KC and MIN) are the teams with the three worst ERAs in the american league. against the other 2 teams the sox have played (CLE and TEX), in 6 games the sox only scored more than 4 runs twice. (their runs scored in those 6 games: 8, 1, 2, 4, 3, 10)
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
The handling is beyond stupid now
3 games or fewer and somebody better pay.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Throw that damned new organist right out on the street
Hire somebody who plays winning music.
sideways smiley face
by TasteeFreeze on Aug 22, 2011 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Finally. I'm glad somebody said it.
Something about yesterday’s organisting bothered me.
When Chris Sale enters a game, my preference for versions of “Come Sail Away” are as follows:
1) Stadium Organ
2) Kyle Cartman
3) Styx
They played Styx.
If this were 2005. Nancy would play Come Sail Away. That’s all I’m saying.
Why buy the cow when the milk is kinda bitchy?
by SkanchoDanza on Aug 22, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
And she's not not,
nor has she ever been. I only want organists Chiburb has wanked to.
by winningugly on Aug 22, 2011 5:00 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Cartman's first name is Eric.
Kyle is the J-O-O.
It’s not robbing Peter to pay Paul — it’s bludgeoning Peter to death, and then realizing on the way back that you forgot to grab his wallet.
Can we agree to disagree?
Why buy the cow when the milk is kinda bitchy?
by SkanchoDanza on Aug 22, 2011 8:48 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
First choice:
Christopher Cross “Sailing”
2nd: well, there really is no second choice if you can’t get Christopher Cross.
by son_of_sophist on Aug 22, 2011 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
It's so beautiful... it's so smooth.
I heard the same song in my childhood dreams.
by mechanical turk on Aug 22, 2011 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Where would he play
3 things in life I care about
Sox, Colts, and Hawks.
Lifetime banners: '05, '07, '10
Designated masher.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
by U-God on Aug 22, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
He'd be a good fit for the Indians, if Halfner is hurt.
Oy.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 22, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Sox have Vizquel, Beckham, Morel, Rios, Dunn
Pierre and an injured Q!. Thome’s far to good to be on this team.
did not know this.
Hahn is the highest paid assistant GM in baseball, according to industry sources.
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/post/_/id/7108/could-sox-be-in-for-front-office-shakeup
I heard Buster this morning
So the Cubs want a big gun?
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
that helps to keep him in town
retire asap kenny
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
I'm sure that some can produce much better medical assessment/analysis than me, but....
I strained/sprained my AC joint in college playing tackle football on a frozen practice field in the dead of winter in a very similar fashion as Q did, same fall/angle… everything. This was 10+ years ago… and it still bothers me. I went to the ER, had an Xray, all that… went through 6 weeks of rehab jibjab, and again, my shoulder still bothers me to the day. Never the same.
This isn’t an injury that is likely to pass quickly, especially for someone like Q…. No reason to NOT put him on DL and call up Viciedo. Unless he really didnt hurt himself that badly and is just a big baby, which I doubt.
I cannot answer any more questions for you today. I has wickeds gas from drink too manys redbull.
there are different grades of sprains.
if he truly has a grade 1, it is possible that he could be back, say, saturday. but that’s probably about the earliest. and i doubt he would be completely painfree by then.
Yeah, but you throw like a girl.
Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?
by Chiburb on Aug 22, 2011 4:05 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
watch it.
that’s a tackle football player you’re talking to.
Why buy the cow when the milk is kinda bitchy?
by SkanchoDanza on Aug 22, 2011 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, because a guy who consistently leads the league in HBP is clearly a big baby.
"His Load got Sloppy" Colintj
by DrEmilioLizardo on Aug 22, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
This is a Big Baby in my neighborhood
Mmmmmmm…good eatin’

"Fortunately, this one does not require the freezing spray." - Steve Stone's comment while a trainer tended to Lou Marson after being hit it the nutsack by a foul ball (8/16/11)
looks like a big baby shit!
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 22, 2011 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
would that be at 64th and Pulaski?
or can you find one of those at every JRs or J & R or JRS! on the South Side.
by son_of_sophist on Aug 22, 2011 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
i have heard tale of a burger in the south burbs where the bun is two pizza puffs.
and it has bacon on it.
as soon as i have the address i will let you all know.
Flowers always get me in scoring position. -SkanchoDanza
he and Jay Cutler
Clearly wussies.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
by Tdogg on Aug 22, 2011 5:06 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
i hurt mine in a skiing accident
i overshot the landing and landed on my shoulder from 10 feet up. it still hurt when i swing a baseball bat occasionally.
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
i neccesiate the coordinates of the closest baseball field to the place where you sleep
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
hmm. closest?
its a pretty small little league field. i think you’d fit right in over there.
Flowers always get me in scoring position. -SkanchoDanza
Surely Dunn can be put on the DL
from all those splinters in his ass from riding the pine…problem solved.
"Fortunately, this one does not require the freezing spray." - Steve Stone's comment while a trainer tended to Lou Marson after being hit it the nutsack by a foul ball (8/16/11)
Last night Matt Holliday left the game because a moth flew into his ear and got stuck.
Something like that would be an appropriate end to Adam Dunn’s season.
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
Or the old "tripping up the stairs while carrying groceries" trick.
White Sox 2011: The season of extraneous body parts.
Happened to my brother playing baseball
in our backyard, except it was a bee and it stung his ear canal like twenty times. Worst part is Mom didn’t believe him because my brother was a habitual liar. “Oh, a bee flew in your this time…sure.” Took my brother a half-hour of screaming to convince everyone this really happened.
by Gentleman Jim on Aug 23, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
He's threatened to bring to Chicago pictures
of both Ozzie and Kenny rear ending goats when he gets the call.
It’s the only explanation.
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO YOU WHITE SOX!!!!!
hey larry if they DL someone before the 1st...
both viciedo and the guy put on the DL would be eligible for post season rosters, correct?
if they call up dayan with the rest of the minor leaguers… then he’s not eligible for post season.
if this is the case expect him to come up before the 1st.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Math is not my strong suit, and I was certainly never a teacher, but...
Wouldn’t that make a 26 man playoff roster?
Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?
Adam Dunn would not make the World Series roster - right?
sideways smiley face
by TasteeFreeze on Aug 22, 2011 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions
he should, if for no other reason than the potential redemptive romance of him smashing a game winning homerun.
Maybe when Mary Lou Retton throws out the first pitch
sideways smiley face
by TasteeFreeze on Aug 23, 2011 6:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I think she's married now, so it should read
“… Mary Lou Wisenbaumgarden throws out the first pitch.”
White Sox 2011: The season of extraneous body parts.
unless she hyphonates
sideways smiley face
by TasteeFreeze on Aug 23, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
you're correct on the first.
theoretically yes to the second. but it’s usually not hard to get around that one, if you really want to. another position player just needs to get “injured”.
To go further on the second, the classic move is to put a guy already on your DL (preferably 60-day) on your postseason roster, then ask to replace him
I think the most famous of these, the Angels with Francisco Rodriguez the year they won the title, was about as far as possible — the pitcher who they replaced on the roster didn’t even play a game for them in 2002, he’d been on the DL the entire season. K-Rod appeared on their roster for the first time in the middle of September. At least Tank has actually played for the Sox outside of the September call-up period.
As larry inferred it has to be an injured position player if you want to add a position player, and pitcher for pitcher.
Given the way things have gone with Flowers, their easiest path to be able to do this would probably be if Blastro stays on the DL the rest of the year. A pitcher is easy this year, Pena’s done so should they want, say, Addison Reed on the postseason roster they could put Pena on the roster and then swap in Reed.
by Yinka Double Dare on Aug 22, 2011 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
may be the man
but lilli on Fangrapsh.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/lillibridge-a-lack-of-precedent/
boxcars boxcars boxcars
Of course there's no precedent for Lilli
How many elves have made it to the major leagues before?
Our Stealth Elf, the World’s Tiniest First Baseman, has been a very pleasant surprise this year. May the magic never wear off.
Baseball is life.
by elgonzo4sox on Aug 22, 2011 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Viciedo in the lineup tonight (8/22) in Gwinnett
Batting fourth, playing RF.
1 for 2 so far, with a walk.
I’m not sure if there’s a red eye from Atlanta to LA.
Baseball is life.
duh
"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza
by BoeJouma on Aug 22, 2011 8:11 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
he looks younger now
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
I miss the Pimp Jew and all his glory
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 22, 2011 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
omgomgomg
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
perez's line is comical
hit batter, hit batter, fielding error (on perez no less) to load the bases, strikeout, sac fly, walk, strikeout.
mercy
"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza
There's no stopping us now!
We’re on a roll, baby!
From fifth to fourth to third to second – it’s pretty obvious what comes next. Detroit might as well pack it in right now.
Actually, this reminds me of how we backed into the playoffs in 2008. Beep! Beep! (loud warning signal from a backing up truck): Here come the White Sox! Beep! Beep!
I love it. We don’t have to get there pretty or easy – we just have to get there.
Baseball is life.
by elgonzo4sox on Aug 22, 2011 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
so you're saying they will need to beat 3 teams in 3 days?
Flowers always get me in scoring position. -SkanchoDanza
Wait a minute - major standings controversy
The Indians web site lists the Indians, at 62-62 and .500, ahead of the White Sox at 63-63 and .500, while on whitesox.com the Sox are listed ahead of the Indians. Which is right, MLB???!!!
May need a ruling from Bud Selig or at a minimum Joe Torre to resolve this.
Baseball is life.
by elgonzo4sox on Aug 22, 2011 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not going to let this minor technicality interfere with my enjoyment of this milestone
Of course, the way the Sox have been playing, we will probably have multiple opportunity to celebrate our ascension to second place, before we finally get down to business against the Tigers…
Baseball is life.
its go time if they are going to get down to business at all.
they pretty much have to dominate on this west coast trip.
1 loss maximum.
Flowers always get me in scoring position. -SkanchoDanza
Don't panic
The #1 thing the Sox need to do is go 4-2 or 5-1 versus the Tigers in the remaining 6 games. Remember, our fastball loving team can beat Verlander.
If 4-2, they need to pick up three other games (to force game 163) across all the other games. They don’t have to pick up a game this week. 3-2 this week might be OK, if the Tigers do the same. Go Rays!!!
Baseball is life.
the same way they break ties
don’t they?
by tommyjoepeters on Aug 23, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
No, this year a tie is broken with a leg-wrestling match between the general managers.
White Sox 2011: The season of extraneous body parts.
Kenny better start working on his lunges.
3 things in life I care about
Sox, Colts, and Hawks.
Lifetime banners: '05, '07, '10
I thought it was a two-man sack race on consecutive Sundays
by Yinka Double Dare on Aug 23, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
United and US Airways has non-stop flights from Charlotte to LA
only $928!
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
oh wait, nm.
derp
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 22, 2011 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Clearly, Dayan could dunk his lighthouse arms into the ocean
and pull sharks out of the water until they number four. He could then tie their tails together, and swing them over his head, faster and faster, until they lift him off the ground like helicopter blades. His super-sonic Hippo Hurricane Hollar could also propell him forward to Anaheim.
The only reason he’s not on the major league roster yet is because KW doesn’t want the rest of the league to quit.
sideways smiley face
by TasteeFreeze on Aug 23, 2011 6:51 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
i take it your employers don't random drug test
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 23, 2011 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions
oh wait, nm.
derp
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 22, 2011 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Christ, I... I give up.
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 22, 2011 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
But then the terrorists win.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
by U-God on Aug 22, 2011 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Let's pass the hat
Alternatively, the Sox could dock Dunn’s pay…
Baseball is life.
by elgonzo4sox on Aug 22, 2011 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
This is what we need
3 things in life I care about
Sox, Colts, and Hawks.
Lifetime banners: '05, '07, '10
yeah, I kinda realized they weren't in Charlotte
and won’t be in Charlotte, for a while. They go on to Durham next: http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/schedule/index.jsp?sid=t494
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 23, 2011 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions
~

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
by U-God on Aug 22, 2011 10:46 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I drank a lot!
Bring up Viciedo! Go Why Soggs!!!!
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 23, 2011 1:16 AM CDT reply actions
is it more likely that dayan would have been called up by now if his agent wasn't boras?
Jim Thome sponsor(s) this page.
Highly underrated, Mark Kotsay became the best defensive designated hitter in American League history in 2010.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 23, 2011 8:26 AM CDT reply actions
Konerko is inching closer to the 2,000 hit 400 HR plateau. Only active players currently there...
Arod
Pujols
Chipper
Vlad
Thome
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
That's a lot of HOF speeches. Is Vlad Hall of Fame worthy, or just the terribly boring and overused "Hall of Very Good"
I cannot answer any more questions for you today. I has wickeds gas from drink too manys redbull.
Viciedo not up yet?
Just an embaressing decesion, Quentin is gonna be out or bad for the rest of the year, a AC Joint Sprain to your shoulder is a big deal, and its not like he was lighting it up in August anyways.
Off day Monday, Off day Thursday, even if you dont want to DL quentin yet, why not send down an arm and make room for viciedo that way, we dont need such a large staff for two games sandwhiched between two off days…. these are the ozzie/kenny decisions that allow me to entertain wanting a different front office / manager
I like the "send down an arm" idea
The arm can come back on Sept. 1.
Good thinking.
Baseball is life.
IMO, even when/if Viciedo is called up, he's not going to get the playing time we all want.
Ozzie’s track record is pretty clear that he uses his vets mostly and his new kids as spare parts.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 23, 2011 11:02 AM CDT reply actions
i don't know if that's going to hold in the outfield at this point, though
rios was already part-timing it and if Q? is injured, it’s not like he’s an ineffective old dude ozzie can cling to. i’m definitely with you in general terms, but i think ozzie’s on the record saying that if he comes up, he’ll play. beastmode – de aza – pimp
by evenyoudorn on Aug 23, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
if dayan comes up
it will be pierre every day
and rotating the other 2 spots between lilli, rios, de aza and dayan.
the playing time rios gets will suck the life from you, i promise you that.
"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza
I am not so sure
I think De Aza might open him up a bit more. Ozzie already said Da Aza will take Dunn’s place against lefties, at least this year. I am still clinging to a desperate hope that Rios is starting to turn it around. I think that rotating these guys might be the best move. I think Lilli is going to be used primarily at first in a platoon with Dunn until Paulie can play on the field (Supposedly September). FAM!
dibs on 2005
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
by blackoutsox on Aug 23, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
24 hours without new content.
This may be the longest drought since the glorious revolution began. I’m starting to go through withdrawal.
Upside: I can blame my typos on the DTs
Very strange
I’m in central VA, about 75 miles west of where the center of the quake was; the whole house shook for about 90 seconds; it was a deep shake, more than just rattling of pictures; it felt like the shaking was coming from the foundation; scared the dog; did no damage, but it was scary enough to tell me that I don’t ever want to experience a quake of more significant strength.
OH THE DEVASTATION!!!

"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza
by BoeJouma on Aug 23, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
I bet it was strong enough to knock A-Rod's painting of himself as a centaur off the wall.
But it seems his ego took no structural damage from this.
Little Bighorn. Classic small sample size. -Skancho Danza
by keystone connection on Aug 23, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Sounds pretty bad:
http://jmckinley.posterous.com/dc-earthquake-devastation
On a more serious note, the epicenter of the quake was apparently just a few miles from the North Anna Nuclear Power Plant.
by mechanical turk on Aug 23, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
The computer projector began shaking during my presentation and I vomited on a person in the front row.
White Sox 2011: The season of extraneous body parts.
I did vomit on some cheerleaders when I was in high school.
White Sox 2011: The season of extraneous body parts.
don't be ashamed. exploring your emetophilia-cheerleader fetish is perfectly normal as a teenager.
by larry on Aug 23, 2011 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
oh thank god
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
by blackoutsox on Aug 23, 2011 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Well...
I was leaning against the wall on the second floor hallway of the life sciences building when a tremor ran thru around 2:20pm EST.
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 23, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
didn't need to by then
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 24, 2011 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions

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