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It's still time for Viciedo

Dayan likes you.

Carlos Quentin's mild acromioclavicular ("AC") joint sprain in his left shoulder provides yet another opportunity for the White Sox to finally call-up Dayan Viciedo.  Injury to the second most productive offensive player isn't the ideal scenario for this (over the past few months, we've gone over about a half dozen different ways to get him on the roster).  But this is perhaps the cleanest because nobody's feelings would get hurt.

The White Sox say Quentin is "day to day."  But they also say he isn't going to play until at least the Seattle series that begins on Friday.

With Alejandro De Aza playing predictably competently and Brent Lillibridge hitting (almost) like pre-2011 Adam Dunn, as well as Paul Konerko being relegated to DH duties until September, some of the urgency for a move for an outfielder/DH may appear to be lacking.  Since the Yankees series debacle, the White Sox offense has averaged just over 5 runs per game.  That is a full run more than they've averaged this season but that's not really a great output for an alleged hot streak.

Star-divide

And that's sort of the point.  This still isn't a good offense.  And while the White Sox are right to be initially conservative with Quentin, at 5 games out (potentially 5.5 after Detroit's game tonight) they really can't afford to wait until after the Angels series to make a decision on whether to place him on the DL.

AC joint sprains, even of the allegedly mild variety, hurt like hell.  And the pain doesn't go away quickly.  Worse, this is Quentin's front shoulder when he's batting.  We all know Quentin's china doll reputation, which he fully deserves.  And we've all seen Quentin's production when he's a broken china doll (even when allegedly mildly broken).

The White Sox should take the off day today to evaluate their options.  Maybe take a look at Brendan Ryan's quite comparable situation (mild AC joint sprain to front shoulder), which has kept him out since August 3.  Maybe think about how Quentin plays when he's not healthy.  Maybe take a look at what Viciedo has done in Charlotte (.299/.366/.491).  Maybe take a look at what he's done recently (last ten games: .324/.415/.647).  And then, if Quentin isn't feeling significantly better, maybe take a look at flights from Atlanta to LA.

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(over the past few months, we've gone over about a half dozen different ways to get him on the roster)

They say the 7th time’s the charm!

Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?

by Chiburb on Aug 22, 2011 1:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Our Dayan who art in Charlotte

Forgotten be your name
Your time will come
And roster spot taken by Dunn
In Chicago, where beef is heavenly
Give us this day our daily AAA homer
Forgive us of our GM
As we forgive our GM
And lead us into September
And deliver us from .500
For thine is the fate
To stay in Charlotte
And OPS 1.000
Forever and ever

3 things in life I care about
Sox, Colts, and Hawks.
Lifetime banners: '05, '07, '10

by Kyle321N on Aug 22, 2011 2:07 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

cruisin' for a smitin'

you know He doesn’t suffer false/competing idols lightly.

by evenyoudorn on Aug 22, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're not kidding it's still not a good offense.

it is possibly not a coincidence that of the 5 teams the sox have played since the yankees series, 3 of them (BAL, KC and MIN) are the teams with the three worst ERAs in the american league. against the other 2 teams the sox have played (CLE and TEX), in 6 games the sox only scored more than 4 runs twice. (their runs scored in those 6 games: 8, 1, 2, 4, 3, 10)

"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck

by BuehrleMan on Aug 22, 2011 2:07 PM CDT reply actions  

The handling is beyond stupid now

3 games or fewer and somebody better pay.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Aug 22, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Throw that damned new organist right out on the street

Hire somebody who plays winning music.

sideways smiley face

by TasteeFreeze on Aug 22, 2011 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

i've been unimpressed all season.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Aug 22, 2011 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

And she's not not,

nor has she ever been. I only want organists Chiburb has wanked to.

by winningugly on Aug 22, 2011 5:00 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Cartman's first name is Eric.

Kyle is the J-O-O.

It’s not robbing Peter to pay Paul — it’s bludgeoning Peter to death, and then realizing on the way back that you forgot to grab his wallet.

by SonOfCron on Aug 22, 2011 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can we agree to disagree?

Why buy the cow when the milk is kinda bitchy?

by SkanchoDanza on Aug 22, 2011 8:48 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

First choice:

Christopher Cross “Sailing”

2nd: well, there really is no second choice if you can’t get Christopher Cross.

by son_of_sophist on Aug 22, 2011 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I heard Buster this morning

So the Cubs want a big gun?

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Aug 22, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

that helps to keep him in town

retire asap kenny

Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk

by blackoutsox on Aug 22, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure that some can produce much better medical assessment/analysis than me, but....

I strained/sprained my AC joint in college playing tackle football on a frozen practice field in the dead of winter in a very similar fashion as Q did, same fall/angle… everything. This was 10+ years ago… and it still bothers me. I went to the ER, had an Xray, all that… went through 6 weeks of rehab jibjab, and again, my shoulder still bothers me to the day. Never the same.

This isn’t an injury that is likely to pass quickly, especially for someone like Q…. No reason to NOT put him on DL and call up Viciedo. Unless he really didnt hurt himself that badly and is just a big baby, which I doubt.

I cannot answer any more questions for you today. I has wickeds gas from drink too manys redbull.

by Marlafar on Aug 22, 2011 3:53 PM CDT reply actions  

there are different grades of sprains.

if he truly has a grade 1, it is possible that he could be back, say, saturday. but that’s probably about the earliest. and i doubt he would be completely painfree by then.

by larry on Aug 22, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but you throw like a girl.

Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?

by Chiburb on Aug 22, 2011 4:05 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

watch it.

that’s a tackle football player you’re talking to.

Why buy the cow when the milk is kinda bitchy?

by SkanchoDanza on Aug 22, 2011 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is a Big Baby in my neighborhood

Mmmmmmm…good eatin’

"Fortunately, this one does not require the freezing spray." - Steve Stone's comment while a trainer tended to Lou Marson after being hit it the nutsack by a foul ball (8/16/11)

by tailgater on Aug 22, 2011 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

looks like a big baby shit!

"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ

by Shoeless In SC on Aug 22, 2011 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

would that be at 64th and Pulaski?

or can you find one of those at every JRs or J & R or JRS! on the South Side.

by son_of_sophist on Aug 22, 2011 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

i have heard tale of a burger in the south burbs where the bun is two pizza puffs.

and it has bacon on it.

as soon as i have the address i will let you all know.

Flowers always get me in scoring position. -SkanchoDanza

by e-gus on Aug 23, 2011 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

he and Jay Cutler

Clearly wussies.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Aug 22, 2011 5:06 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

i hurt mine in a skiing accident

i overshot the landing and landed on my shoulder from 10 feet up. it still hurt when i swing a baseball bat occasionally.

Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk

by blackoutsox on Aug 22, 2011 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

or maybe you're just a puss!

Flowers always get me in scoring position. -SkanchoDanza

by e-gus on Aug 23, 2011 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

i neccesiate the coordinates of the closest baseball field to the place where you sleep

Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk

by blackoutsox on Aug 23, 2011 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

hmm. closest?

its a pretty small little league field. i think you’d fit right in over there.

Flowers always get me in scoring position. -SkanchoDanza

by e-gus on Aug 23, 2011 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Surely Dunn can be put on the DL

from all those splinters in his ass from riding the pine…problem solved.

"Fortunately, this one does not require the freezing spray." - Steve Stone's comment while a trainer tended to Lou Marson after being hit it the nutsack by a foul ball (8/16/11)

by tailgater on Aug 22, 2011 4:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Last night Matt Holliday left the game because a moth flew into his ear and got stuck.

Something like that would be an appropriate end to Adam Dunn’s season.

a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee

by big_fun on Aug 23, 2011 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Happened to my brother playing baseball

in our backyard, except it was a bee and it stung his ear canal like twenty times. Worst part is Mom didn’t believe him because my brother was a habitual liar. “Oh, a bee flew in your this time…sure.” Took my brother a half-hour of screaming to convince everyone this really happened.

by Gentleman Jim on Aug 23, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's threatened to bring to Chicago pictures

of both Ozzie and Kenny rear ending goats when he gets the call.

It’s the only explanation.

My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.

LET’S GO YOU WHITE SOX!!!!!

by ballyb on Aug 22, 2011 4:51 PM CDT reply actions  

hey larry if they DL someone before the 1st...

both viciedo and the guy put on the DL would be eligible for post season rosters, correct?

if they call up dayan with the rest of the minor leaguers… then he’s not eligible for post season.

if this is the case expect him to come up before the 1st.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Aug 22, 2011 4:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Math is not my strong suit, and I was certainly never a teacher, but...

Wouldn’t that make a 26 man playoff roster?

Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?

by Chiburb on Aug 22, 2011 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're correct on the first.

theoretically yes to the second. but it’s usually not hard to get around that one, if you really want to. another position player just needs to get “injured”.

by larry on Aug 22, 2011 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

thanks.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Aug 22, 2011 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

To go further on the second, the classic move is to put a guy already on your DL (preferably 60-day) on your postseason roster, then ask to replace him

I think the most famous of these, the Angels with Francisco Rodriguez the year they won the title, was about as far as possible — the pitcher who they replaced on the roster didn’t even play a game for them in 2002, he’d been on the DL the entire season. K-Rod appeared on their roster for the first time in the middle of September. At least Tank has actually played for the Sox outside of the September call-up period.

As larry inferred it has to be an injured position player if you want to add a position player, and pitcher for pitcher.

Given the way things have gone with Flowers, their easiest path to be able to do this would probably be if Blastro stays on the DL the rest of the year. A pitcher is easy this year, Pena’s done so should they want, say, Addison Reed on the postseason roster they could put Pena on the roster and then swap in Reed.

by Yinka Double Dare on Aug 22, 2011 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

thank you both

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Aug 22, 2011 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of course there's no precedent for Lilli

How many elves have made it to the major leagues before?

Our Stealth Elf, the World’s Tiniest First Baseman, has been a very pleasant surprise this year. May the magic never wear off.

Baseball is life.

by elgonzo4sox on Aug 22, 2011 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Viciedo in the lineup tonight (8/22) in Gwinnett

Batting fourth, playing RF.

1 for 2 so far, with a walk.

I’m not sure if there’s a red eye from Atlanta to LA.

Baseball is life.

by elgonzo4sox on Aug 22, 2011 7:59 PM CDT reply actions  

he looks younger now

Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk

by blackoutsox on Aug 22, 2011 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I miss the Pimp Jew and all his glory

"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ

by Shoeless In SC on Aug 22, 2011 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

ask and you shall receive

poreda jew pitcher

"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza

by BoeJouma on Aug 23, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sox are now tied for Second place

Cleveland’s loss to Seattle makes them a 62/62 ballclub

by 815Sox on Aug 22, 2011 9:12 PM CDT reply actions  

omgomgomg

Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk

by blackoutsox on Aug 22, 2011 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

perez's line is comical

hit batter, hit batter, fielding error (on perez no less) to load the bases, strikeout, sac fly, walk, strikeout.

mercy

"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza

by BoeJouma on Aug 22, 2011 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's no stopping us now!

We’re on a roll, baby!

From fifth to fourth to third to second – it’s pretty obvious what comes next. Detroit might as well pack it in right now.

Actually, this reminds me of how we backed into the playoffs in 2008. Beep! Beep! (loud warning signal from a backing up truck): Here come the White Sox! Beep! Beep!

I love it. We don’t have to get there pretty or easy – we just have to get there.

Baseball is life.

by elgonzo4sox on Aug 22, 2011 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wait a minute - major standings controversy

The Indians web site lists the Indians, at 62-62 and .500, ahead of the White Sox at 63-63 and .500, while on whitesox.com the Sox are listed ahead of the Indians. Which is right, MLB???!!!

May need a ruling from Bud Selig or at a minimum Joe Torre to resolve this.

Baseball is life.

by elgonzo4sox on Aug 22, 2011 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

indians in 2nd

fewer losses

Flowers always get me in scoring position. -SkanchoDanza

by e-gus on Aug 23, 2011 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not going to let this minor technicality interfere with my enjoyment of this milestone

Of course, the way the Sox have been playing, we will probably have multiple opportunity to celebrate our ascension to second place, before we finally get down to business against the Tigers…

Baseball is life.

by elgonzo4sox on Aug 23, 2011 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

its go time if they are going to get down to business at all.

they pretty much have to dominate on this west coast trip.
1 loss maximum.

Flowers always get me in scoring position. -SkanchoDanza

by e-gus on Aug 23, 2011 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't panic

The #1 thing the Sox need to do is go 4-2 or 5-1 versus the Tigers in the remaining 6 games. Remember, our fastball loving team can beat Verlander.

If 4-2, they need to pick up three other games (to force game 163) across all the other games. They don’t have to pick up a game this week. 3-2 this week might be OK, if the Tigers do the same. Go Rays!!!

Baseball is life.

by elgonzo4sox on Aug 23, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

MLB.com has them tied for Second

And the Sox are above the Indians on the mlb.com standings

by 815Sox on Aug 23, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

United and US Airways has non-stop flights from Charlotte to LA

only $928!

"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ

by Shoeless In SC on Aug 22, 2011 9:32 PM CDT reply actions  

oh wait, nm.

derp

"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ

by Shoeless In SC on Aug 22, 2011 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Clearly, Dayan could dunk his lighthouse arms into the ocean

and pull sharks out of the water until they number four. He could then tie their tails together, and swing them over his head, faster and faster, until they lift him off the ground like helicopter blades. His super-sonic Hippo Hurricane Hollar could also propell him forward to Anaheim.

The only reason he’s not on the major league roster yet is because KW doesn’t want the rest of the league to quit.

sideways smiley face

by TasteeFreeze on Aug 23, 2011 6:51 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

i take it your employers don't random drug test

"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ

by Shoeless In SC on Aug 23, 2011 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

oh wait, nm.

derp

"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ

by Shoeless In SC on Aug 22, 2011 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Christ, I... I give up.

"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ

by Shoeless In SC on Aug 22, 2011 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

But then the terrorists win.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Aug 22, 2011 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Let's pass the hat

Alternatively, the Sox could dock Dunn’s pay…

Baseball is life.

by elgonzo4sox on Aug 22, 2011 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is what we need

One way from Atlanta to LA

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Sox, Colts, and Hawks.
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by Kyle321N on Aug 22, 2011 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, I kinda realized they weren't in Charlotte

and won’t be in Charlotte, for a while. They go on to Durham next: http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/schedule/index.jsp?sid=t494

"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ

by Shoeless In SC on Aug 23, 2011 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

~

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Aug 22, 2011 10:46 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I drank a lot!

Bring up Viciedo! Go Why Soggs!!!!

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 23, 2011 1:16 AM CDT reply actions  

is it more likely that dayan would have been called up by now if his agent wasn't boras?

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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 23, 2011 8:26 AM CDT reply actions  

Viciedo not up yet?

Just an embaressing decesion, Quentin is gonna be out or bad for the rest of the year, a AC Joint Sprain to your shoulder is a big deal, and its not like he was lighting it up in August anyways.

Off day Monday, Off day Thursday, even if you dont want to DL quentin yet, why not send down an arm and make room for viciedo that way, we dont need such a large staff for two games sandwhiched between two off days…. these are the ozzie/kenny decisions that allow me to entertain wanting a different front office / manager

by Knoxfire30 on Aug 23, 2011 9:11 AM CDT reply actions  

I like the "send down an arm" idea

The arm can come back on Sept. 1.

Good thinking.

Baseball is life.

by elgonzo4sox on Aug 23, 2011 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

IMO, even when/if Viciedo is called up, he's not going to get the playing time we all want.

Ozzie’s track record is pretty clear that he uses his vets mostly and his new kids as spare parts.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 23, 2011 11:02 AM CDT reply actions  

i don't know if that's going to hold in the outfield at this point, though

rios was already part-timing it and if Q? is injured, it’s not like he’s an ineffective old dude ozzie can cling to. i’m definitely with you in general terms, but i think ozzie’s on the record saying that if he comes up, he’ll play. beastmode – de aza – pimp

by evenyoudorn on Aug 23, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

if dayan comes up

it will be pierre every day
and rotating the other 2 spots between lilli, rios, de aza and dayan.

the playing time rios gets will suck the life from you, i promise you that.

"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza

by BoeJouma on Aug 23, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am not so sure

I think De Aza might open him up a bit more. Ozzie already said Da Aza will take Dunn’s place against lefties, at least this year. I am still clinging to a desperate hope that Rios is starting to turn it around. I think that rotating these guys might be the best move. I think Lilli is going to be used primarily at first in a platoon with Dunn until Paulie can play on the field (Supposedly September). FAM!

by 815Sox on Aug 23, 2011 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

24 hours without new content.

This may be the longest drought since the glorious revolution began. I’m starting to go through withdrawal.

Upside: I can blame my typos on the DTs

by joewho112 on Aug 23, 2011 1:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Very strange

I’m in central VA, about 75 miles west of where the center of the quake was; the whole house shook for about 90 seconds; it was a deep shake, more than just rattling of pictures; it felt like the shaking was coming from the foundation; scared the dog; did no damage, but it was scary enough to tell me that I don’t ever want to experience a quake of more significant strength.

by VAChisox on Aug 23, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

I was leaning against the wall on the second floor hallway of the life sciences building when a tremor ran thru around 2:20pm EST.

"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ

by Shoeless In SC on Aug 23, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

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