Angels 5, White Sox 4: Down Goes Frasor
by KenWo4LiFe on Aug 24, 2011 12:38 AM CDT
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In one of the worst played games of the season, the White Sox lost the opener of an important road trip 5-4. The Sox fell back below .500 at 63-64. To make matters worse, the Tigers were victorious in Tampa and now lead us by 6.5 games.
The mistakes came early and often tonight. In the bottom of the first, Peter Bourjos grounded slowly to short. Alexei Ramirez fielded the grounder and lollipopped it into the dirt at first, which proved to be too hard of a scoop for Adam Dunn to make. After Bobby Abreu struck out, Torii Hunter singled to left. Juan Pierre didn't handle it cleanly, then got it and tossed it to second. Meanwhile, Bourjos was rounding third base and scored easily.
After a Howie Kendrick home run in the 2nd made it 2-0 Angels, the Sox offense woke up against Ervin Santana. Brent Morel hit a one out single to center and came around to score on a double by Gordon Beckham. After a Pierre flyout moved Beckham to third, Alejandro De Aza hit a roller past Santana that Maicer Izturis couldn't handle cleanly, allowing Beckham to score to tie the game.
The Angels got Mark Buehrle for another run in the 3rd. Izturis doubled to lead off the inning. After a Bourjos strikeout and a Bobby Abreu comebacker, Hunter made the Sox pay again with a shot into center and the Angels took a 3-2 lead.
The Sox wasted a golden opportunity in the 4th, as Alex Rios led off with a double and Ramirez drew a walk. Unfortunately, Adam Dunn tapped a grounder to Santana who started the 1-6-3 double play and Tyler Flowers struck out to end the inning.
In the bottom half of the 4th, the Angels scored again. Kendrick hit a long fly to center and Rios got turned around on the warning track as the ball fell and Kendrick ended up at 3rd with a triple. After Vernon Wells lined out to third, Erick Aybar flew to shallow center. Rios caught it flatfooted and fired home, just a second late to catch Kendrick.
The Sox got another one back in the 5th as Morel led off with a ground rule double down the right field line. After a Beckham groundout, Pierre came through with a single to left to bring home Morel, cutting the lead to 4-3.
Buehrle got the Angels 1,2,3 in the 5th and escaped the 6th without giving up a run. Vernon Wells hit a 2 out double down the left field line. Kendrick, who had walked, kept coming around third but the Sox were up to the challenge this time as Pierre hit Ramirez who turned and fired to Flowers, who tagged out Kendrick at the plate.
The Sox would tie up the game in the 8th when De Aza singled and stole second, which set the stage for Paul Konerko. Konerko lined a single to right field to score De Aza. It was the 2,000th hit of Konerko's career. If it didn't happen at the Cell, it was nice that it happened in Anaheim, as he hit a few of his biggest hits there during the 2005 ALCS.
With 2 outs in the bottom of the 8th, Ozzie Guillen called on Jason Frasor. He walked Hunter and gave up a single to Mark Trumbo before retiring Kendrick. Hawk Harrelson mentioned many times, and it was clearly evident, that Frasor didn't have his stuff tonight and was a one pitch pitcher.
After the Sox went out meekly in the top of the 9th, Frasor was sent out for the bottom half. It wasn't pretty. Wells struck out leading off the inning. Aybar followed with a single. Albert Callaspo then singled to left field. Aybar took third on the hit and Beckham left second base so Callaspo trotted into second. They intentionally walked Izturis to bring up Bourjos, who ended the game with a smash single to left field.
Tomorrow the Sox send Zach Stewart against Jered Weaver at 9 PM, as the Sox look to avoid the sweep in the quick 2 game set.
* Tyler Flowers made a big mistake on the bases. He singled with one out in the 7th and Morel followed with a slow chopper that Izturis fielded and threw to first for the out. Flowers, who was at 2nd when Izturis threw to first, kept going and was gunned out at 3rd for the final out of the inning.
* I don't know what in the hell Guillen was doing leaving Frasor in the game. Stone and Harrelson both made comments that signaled they didn't know why he was still in either. He didn't have it and was left out there to dry like the game didn't mean anything. Awful.
WP: Jordan Walden
LP: Jason Frasor
HR: Howie Kendrick
Record 63-64 | G.B. 6.5 | Box
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Farmer and DJ were hard and heavy on Rios a couple times during the game.
Rightly so, I imagine. Everyone’s frustrated as all hell; season’s going down the tubes, and mostly because of just a couple culprits. I gave up on this team about six weeks ago to literally save my sanity, but I can surely see the exasperation in the voices and statements of fellow fans. Also, the gamethread was a day-saver.
"If you are looking for a good and quick treat, mosey on over to Hardees or KFC." -Jessy S
there were plenty of culprits today.
Ramirez, Dunn, Pierre, Rios, Beckham, Flowers, Frasor, Guillen. Awful game.
Morel, Konerko and De Aza were the only guys that didn’t piss me off.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Of course, today.
Players have bad games, that’s to be expected. I just meant that I could really hear the disgust and frustration in the voices of Farmio and DJ when it came to Rios.
"If you are looking for a good and quick treat, mosey on over to Hardees or KFC." -Jessy S
that triple was just unbelievable
an awful game to watch
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Aug 24, 2011 6:26 AM CDT up reply actions
ugh. FAR.
I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.
by thatshortkid on Aug 24, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Dunn in person...
…was worse than watching him of TV. Opportunities…. At least I got to see Paulie get a memorable hit. One for the interior stadium as Roger Angell would say.
i couldn't believe dunn didn't scoop that throw from ramirez in the first.
ramirez threw it horribly… but it was still slow with a nice hop. I am pretty sure i could go to the local little league fields and find a few first baseman on the 12 year old all star team that would have had that no problem.
and then his brutal 1-6-3 DP. a;lskdfj i hate that fucking guy. He’s battling phil bradley and rob mackowiak for position on my least favorite sox ever list.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
yeah he's fast approaching Wells territory for me too
Fuck that guy.
He needs to go out Gil Meche style.
Flowers always get me in scoring position. -SkanchoDanza
no.. you dont.. if you're looking at anything he's done at this season.
As it has no relevance to his decade of being a very good baseball player on shitty teams.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 24, 2011 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Dunn's biggest problem this year is his swing
But he has shown zero evidence throughout his career that he can perform under pressure, in a big market, on a winning team. He has never, ever done any of those things, and he is failing miserably this year.
Some people say those things don’t matter, or shouldn’t, but I think there’s a big difference between a meaningless Reds-Pirates game in August 2004 and a game in a pennant drive, or a playoff game. Some people just can’t perform when the spotlight shines the brightest.
Baseball is life.
Because please, name for me the teams Dunn was on that came with expectations of winning.
The ‘09/’10 Nationals? Oh my yes, they were supposed to be a juggernaut. How about them ‘04-’07 Reds? Another Big Red Machine they were.
If you’re gonna make shit up, at least attribute it to his position or league change.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 24, 2011 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
That's my point
The 2011 White Sox are the first team with high expectations, in a big market, that he’s played for.
He’s been fine in the past playing for second division NL teams with zero expectations.
Sgning a $56M free agent contract to be the “younger Jim Thome” (our GM’s words, not mine), on a team that is “all in” (again our GM’s words, not mine) and was picked by a good percentage of national baseball writers to win the division, has contributed to Dunn’s failings this year. That’s what I am trying to say.
Baseball is life.
*tedious
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
tenuous
is generous.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
High expectations aren't the reason Dunn is having an historically bad season.
If you predicted that Dunn would have one of the worst offensive seasons of all time because he was expected to be normal*, then hats off to you. Are there reasons he’s been vomit-inducing this year? Oh, hell yes. But I don’t think it’s because it was because of his contract, position or expectation to win.
*Not “good,” not “amazing,” not "awesome,’’ not “fantastical,” but merely “normal.”
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 24, 2011 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I didn't predict this
But I’ve listed my reasons why Dunn has failed (see my FanPost).
Why do you think he’s failed?
Baseball is life.
Because he showed up fat (screw you, u-god ;-) ), had surgery, came back a bit too fast,
got in a slump, fiddled with his mechanics which didn’t help and everything spiraled. But mostly because he’s fatter than previous years.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 24, 2011 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I wonder if they will try Camp Cora on him over the offseason
To keep him in shape and improve his defensive skills at first. (Like that’s possible) I want them to try something since we have him for three more years.
That's at least a more realistic reason to me
than the meatballesque “THIS IS PROOF HE CAN’T PLAY ON TEAMS THAT MATTER!” argument.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
I hope so.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
That's pretty much the Ozzie / Walker (and White Sox) party line
Ozzie has told Dunn to show up in better shape next spring training (translation: he’s too fat).
Walker told Rongey on White Sox Weekly this past weekend that it was a mistake not to have Dunn do a rehab stint in the minors after his surgery.
I hope you guys are right.
Baseball is life.
what the hell does being fat have anything to do with hitting the baseball out of the park?
cecil fielder was fat and pounded the shit out of the ball and his kid does the same. i could see being fat hurting your fielding but there have been plenty of fat guys that could hit it 430 feet more times than brent lillibridge.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
id take andruw jones right now
over the big donkey dickhead
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Not the point
Jones production fell off a cliff after getting fat just as Dunn’s did. Jones got in better shape and got a bit better.
Dunn wasn't always fat.
And Dunn ain’t a Fielder.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 24, 2011 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
john kruk was a pretty good hitting fat guy. pete incaviglia, steve balboni,
hell id take fucking 58 year old matt stairs right about now.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Those guys were always fat. Dunn wasn't.
You don’t think a substantial weight gain will impact people differently?
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 24, 2011 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions
And the argument isn't "fat guys can't hit!"
Because we can go back and forth all day on guys who were fat and hit (Ruth) and guys who aren’t fat and hit (Aaron).
The argument I made was, “Dunn GOT fat in the offseason (or didn’t come in shape, whichever you like) and THAT’S part of why he’s been so bad.”
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 24, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
you should still be able to hit being out of shape.
its not exactly a physically intensive thing to do.
i’m more willing to accept the bad eyes theory.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
he doesn't even look all that different from his time with the nationals though
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
does bobby jenks look all that different from his time with the white sox?
it catches up with you at some point.
i’d also note: incaviglia done at 32. balboni done at 32. kruk done at 34. adam dunn, age 31.
well then what in the hell was williams thinking when he signed him then
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
and i can't believe balboni was only 32. he looked like he was 42.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Well said.
If he was a slave to the workout regiment these comps might not apply. none of those guys were known fitness buffs. Neither is Donkey.
by winningugly on Aug 24, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll trust 2ndHalf's ability to judge men's physiques over your's any day
by joewho112 on Aug 24, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I don't think fat has anything to do with it
but as you get older, preparation does…working out is part of preparation but you can’t come into spring training cold in the latter part of your career and expect to perform at high levels.
yah i thought it was fucking weird when at sox fest
he boasted about not picking up a bat all off season.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
that's really not relevant.
i assume that he’s done that every offseason. engaging in baseball specific activities isn’t a prerequisite. heck, swinging a bat isn’t going to keep you in top condition.
thats true but you would at least like to think he enjoys doing it.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
I don't know, if you take enough swings it will help your physique
at least the muscles you use. Sure you could take 10,000 swings a month in the offseason, eat like shit and not work out but atleast you exercised those muscles you use in your swing and your eyes.
Tony Gwynn's old fat didn't seem to bother his diabetic ass.
It. Depends. We’re just speculating.
by winningugly on Aug 24, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
i'm fairly certain the diamondbacks were a team with high expectations in 2008
he performed just fine after being traded to them.
i made the case for this argument months ago and got rejected.
i do think there is something to it.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
well i don't care what the reason is... i just hate the guy.
he’s been the worst player i’ve ever seen on the sox. id take andy gonzalez over him.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
i also find it curious that they chose to intentionally walk izturis in the 9th.
were they trying to set up a double play on bourjos, who is (or very close to) the fastest runner in the majors? walking maicer izturis. unbelievable.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Frasor pitching the 9th is unbelievable too
He blows.
Flowers always get me in scoring position. -SkanchoDanza
well i don't know about the whole blowing thing...
but he blew tonight. and everyone knew that in the 8th. why he was left out there for the 9th i have no idea. i don’t know why… but i’m pissed off about this game tonight. i should be used to this by now.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
This one is all on Ozzie for leaving Frasor in there
If Hawk Harrelson can see he doesn’t have it and Ozzie can’t, that’s saying something. This is a game to point to every time Tdogg points out how deftly he handles the pitching staff when defending Ozzie for how horridly he makes out the line ups.
I don't have any problem with dogging out Ozzie for his use of Frasor last night
that doesn’t change the fact that Ozzie is a Top 3 manager (or even higher) for managing a staff. Are you really arguing against that?
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Yes
However, I am doing so without the numbers because of how much I have grown to hate Ozzie from 2007 on. I am perfectly willing to give all credit for handling the staff to Cooper since he is a pitching genius. I can beleive Ozzie would rely on him for all matters pitching so he can contnue to build on his obsession with the myth of Ozzieball and a line-up molded after his own crappy image, a below average nine-hole hitter at every spot.
by justjc on Aug 24, 2011 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
well how can I argue with that logic?
:-)
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Somewhat different situation but I remember when watching
a Yankees broadcast last year when the Sox were down late in the game. Guillen went into ‘game over’ mode (they must have been down several runs in the 8th or so) and the Yankee announcers were questioning why the team wasn’t trying to win. Saying something to effect that sure they are down but don’t they want to win. If they found it so remarkable, it makes me wonder if some kind of defeatist attitude has set into this team.
Still, they see how every other team in the league is managed.
And they seemed shocked by waving the white flag at that point.
especially against a couple of lefties
Considering guillen’s obsession with handedness, it seemed almost like he was tanking the game.
Late night conspiracy theory: guillen is pissed at Williams- either for trading away Jackson or for leaving viciedo In charlotte (requiring guillen to fend off media and fans who want to know Wtf (or both)- so Guillen leaves williams’ latest acquisition to rot away maybe the season’s last important game because, hell how can kenny complain? He brought frasor in to be used, right? That’ll show him.
by spengler on Aug 24, 2011 2:15 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Except Ozzie is the one all season who has said he doesn't have a place for Viciedo.
I don’t totally disagree with your theory, actually, just this application of it. I think Ozzie does it more with Peavy than Frasor.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 24, 2011 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions
yes
But just for the sake of conspiratorial argument, maybe guillen’s “no room” statements have been subtle digs at kw the whole time, jabs for constructing a roster that doesn’t have “room” for a potential talent like viciedo.
It’s a stretch, I know, but whatever. It’s getting time to find excuses and rationalizations to believe in.
by spengler on Aug 24, 2011 9:30 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I believe this team is run by The Media,
who are all Jews, who sit in a room in Switzerland fucking with the weather.
Oh.
by winningugly on Aug 24, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Play at the Plate
Was at the game – hard to tell – but how close was the play at the plate in the bottom of the 4th? Dude looked out from my seat, but I realize you can’t always tell at the park.
on that lollipop throw from rios
To a poorly positioned flowers? That one? He was safe.
by spengler on Aug 24, 2011 2:17 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe I should have quit at 6 beers...
…apparently not that close. Ugh.
by BurlyBuehrle on Aug 24, 2011 2:18 AM CDT up reply actions
i dunno, flowers swiped at him as he went by
Sitting behind the play he could’ve looked safe
The replays were pretty clear. They showed it like a hundred times….
This team requires beer
by spengler on Aug 24, 2011 2:23 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
nonsense. i was tailgating and hitting up the bomber stands. it was necessary.
I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.
by thatshortkid on Aug 24, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
he was definitely safe.
if A) rios got behind the throw and had some momentum going in
or B) Flowers didn’t scoot up in front of the plate to catch a throw that would have made it to him anyway
he may have been out. it was a close one though
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Another recap and another time WU is thrown under the bus
He’s approaching Paulie territory. Tune into tomorrow’s recap in hopes of catching the 2,000th time WU has been thrown under the bus. He currently is sitting at 1,9999999 (damn iPhone!)
"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 24, 2011 6:16 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Perfect.
Being lumped in with the ultimate mediocrity (Sox 2011 performance), and being dissed by an unemployed teacher sets up my hump day quite well.
Laughter is the best revenge. Have to laugh at this season. Sideways grind, false hopes, no long-term satisfaction, belt-tightening because of diminished expectations. Sound familiar, financial people? Going to be a long decade…
This is exactly why I hoped for a 10 game losing streak before the trade deadline
We are all hanging onto this glimmer of hope that this pathetic team that can’t play .500 ball will win a pathetic division. We will miss the playoffs and have nothing to look forward to for next year, except maybe watching what Rick Hahn can do with the Cubs. Our best trade chips are now all worth less (Danks, Floyd, Quentin) and it makes less sense to re-sign Buehrle, if not to just keep him in a White Sox uniform.
TDogg – wasn’t it you I argued with over Quentin’s probability of getting injured?
What the hell does this year have to do with next year?
Rooting for a 10 game losing streak is stupid. The Sox were not out of it and were not devoid of talent to compete in the division. And the Sox have plenty to look forward to next year they just have holes to address. All I can do is laugh at your supposed Quentin point. Piss on Konerko and AJ for their injuries too.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Of course not
The Sox are losing, Adam Dunn is still playing (even though there is a better offensive and defensive option) and Viciedo continues to rot in AAA.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Adam Dunn.
Amazing our fortunes are tied to this dead weight. I have no confidence at all in his recovering any skills this year. And thus we are, in all likelihood, sunk.
It really is a travesty that they could have thrown away a season because of Super Two status
that could be the only reason the Cuban kid isn’t up yet
dunn doesnt have any confidence either
He really does look like eeyore moping around out there.
by spengler on Aug 24, 2011 9:42 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
It's damn fine thing you avoided the medical field.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
by U-God on Aug 24, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sigh.
Hyperbole. It’s use. On occasion.
by winningugly on Aug 24, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
You rang?
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 24, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Everyone knows the opposite of steroids is Dean's Sour Cream.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Is that your nickname for what you inject into your bovines?
And when did you change your name, Dean?
by winningugly on Aug 24, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
~
It tastes greatish.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
I'm trying to come up with a joke about pineapple...
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 24, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
You are gross.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
It's funny that everyone
keeps saying “no hope this year for Dunn” (including myself). When seasons are arbitrary endpoints. I get that the man BETTER do just a little more work in the offseason, but can we really expect him to hit over .200 again (obviously, hopefully with a little pop)? I’m barely hoping for a positive WAR in at least one remaining season.
LeBron James: Which of His Blessings would you deny?
by ProfessorEmmer on Aug 24, 2011 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
He's 31.
He rarely has done things in the offseason and had a solid track history. Its not unreasonable to expect a rebound with changes. How much? I don’t know but yes I’d be shocked if he didn’t hit over .200 next year. Sometimes players have bad seasons.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
not many ppl have been given as many PA's to be this bad
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 24, 2011 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
that must have been quite the experience
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
-4 bwar. oh wow
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 24, 2011 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions
i think id take royster. at least he stole a bunch of bases. haha
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
I'd have taken this instead:
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 24, 2011 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
i've never seen him play but i'd take a broken picture link over him too
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
It's not arbitrary in any way..
That’s 4 months the guy can spend in a gym getting in shape before Spring Training even starts. When he can focus on just getting in shape and conditioning and not the games, there’s a big difference. To suggest it’s just an arbitrary endpoint is ridiculous.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 24, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
cardio?
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 24, 2011 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
This is his first bad season
He didn’t forget how to hit and play baseball upon arrival in Chicago.This is more mental than anything. Lots of adjusting, seeing pitchers for the first time, playing in a high intensity market/team for the first time. Lots of factors, not saying that he shouldn’t be better but these things can impact performance.
I pretty much want a change
GM and manager.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
I guess if a GM move is in the horizon then it makes more sense to save the fire sale for the new gm
what fire sale?
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
And this is the problem
Why on earth do you want a fire sale in the off season? The Yankees and Red Sox aren’t in your division. This team has quite a few pieces already even if you do cut payroll and shuffle things around.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
This team was basically built for a 2 year swing
Looks like you missed the 1st one.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Trading players away doesn't mean we are throwing in the towel
Texas got better thanks to the Texeira deal.
I agree with you.
The pitching has been really good this year. The slow start by the bullpen was more figuring out roles than anything else.
If they can fix Dunn over the winter, they are an instant contender. Morel looks better at the plate. You have to like what you have seen out of Flowers. Viciendo will provide more production. And if Rios doesn’t come around, he can be replaced. This team isn’t that far away.
what's the story witb cooper?
Is he tied to guillen somehow, or can the sox let guillen go and keep him?
by spengler on Aug 24, 2011 9:44 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
id hate for the sox to lose cooper
For obvious reasons. Don’t really care about guillen anymore. Shelf life appears to have expired, as happens with managers. Let him go deal with hanley ramirez. Thanks for 05.
by spengler on Aug 24, 2011 10:11 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Cold.
You are cold. And probably correct.
by winningugly on Aug 24, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
been married too often.
Know about shelf life.
by spengler on Aug 24, 2011 10:24 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Ozzie has done pretty well this year, I wouldn't mind Hahn taking over at GM
and bumping Kenny up. I don’t want to get rid of the manager because there aren’t any better available.
how do you know unless you try.
ozzie managed like complete dog shit last night and has for most of the season. i don’t know why you think he’s been so good? in 2008 he had a good year. since then? not so much.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
I like Ozzie. I really do.
But its time. He’s had a good run here and other managers become good if they are given a chance. I’d like to see Hahn and a younger progressive manager. Let Ozzie go to the NL where he belongs. I’ll miss the spotlight. Ozzie was fantastic about putting the White Sox into it, but there was bad along with that.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
i'm not sure hahn and ozzie are really compatible
that’s not based on anything i’ve heard or read, except that ozzie is clearly very ‘old school’ in his approach, and hahn seems to be more of the ‘progressive’ type, to steal tdogg’s term. i feel like if hahn is given a shot at GM, ozzie is out the door.
the funny thing about the more stat-based teams is that there doesn’t seem to be much correlation to younger managers. the manager is marginalized a little bit, i think.
I wouldn't say that to Joe Maddon.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 24, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
The guy who can't even fill out a lineup card properly?
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Hey, if he were available, I'd love to have him as the White Sox manager.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 24, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Meh.
I view him as average. It wouldn’t hurt so I wouldn’t be opposed to it.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
i'm just saying, if you're really going "moneyball" as hawk loves to say
then you’re not stealing a lot, not doing hit and runs, not bunting. the manager makes the line-up card… until the GM tells him to change it… and decides when to bring in which reliever… until the GM tells him You’re Doing it Wrong.
nothing against maddon whatsoever, i like the guy.
Moneyball doesn't say don't steal. It says steal efficiently
Billy Bean would love to have Joe Morgan, Carl Crawford, Ricky Henderson and Tim Raines stealing shit loads of bases for him
so who on the white sox would you be sending so regularly that you'd need to look up from your magazine?
i’m pretty sure you get my point. how many SB does crawford have this year, and what’s his success rate?
De Aza seems to be runnig well but I don't know enough about him.
Pierre is prior years ran efficiently.
I don’t know about Crawford this year.
and i think i disagree with you, in general
I don’t know this guy and i’m not about to independently verify his numbers, but it jives with the impression i had of beane. sorry about the length (twhs):
During this period of domination, the Moneyball philosophy was followed like a movie script. Take walks and stay on base until someone drives you in. During those 7 years the A’s ranked no lower than 10th in walks drawn, no higher than 27th in stolen base attempts and no higher than 27th in sacrifice bunts. The A’s got on base a lot and then gave their hitters the opportunity to drive in runs. As stated before, Beane believes that there are too few outs in a game to just give them up by attempting to steal a base or by sacrificing a runner along. Once runners got on base, they stayed put and did not take unnecessary chances.
The heart of Moneyball is to target undervalued players
In the late 1990s and early 2000s, on base penrcentage and slugging were underrated and stolen bases were overrated so they assembled a team of high OPS/low stealing team.
If you can get guys who steal a ton of bases efficiently for cheap, get them. Whether or not guys like that are actually undervalued at the moment is a different issue.
i think the first part of your comment is definitely correct
but there is a game-management aspect as well that centers around not giving up outs, which i think you’re forgetting
ok...
i know ‘what’ you’re saying, i can see the logic of it, i just don’t think it lines up with how you see it applied, and certainly not with how the A’s applied it during their run. maddon certainly runs a lot, of course.
and i think— not positive— that the efficiency/runs/WPA crowd might lean towards saying that in general, stealing is not efficient versus staying on base and letting guys try to SLG you in, by your very definition.
there is nothing wrong with efficient stealing
its quite valuable.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
but not part of the late-90s A's philosophy
which is what we’d gotten into. i don’t agree that beane would send crawford 80 times any more than francona has.
like i said, i might be off-base with the general consensus. but the numbers on the As are clear(ly).
it seems to me like we've both read the book
i just don’t think the outs prevention part jives with stealing a bunch of bases. maddon is obviously a counterpoint, but the As and (well before my time, but i think) weaver are examples.
i'll butt in here and say
i think when larry said that he was referring to hawk. not 100% sure, but that’s the way i read it.
apologies if i am incorrect.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
yes.
and people who have read moneyball should also realize that michael lewis didn’t get everything right about beane’s philosophy. and he also didn’t include everything about it. this is something i would assume is fairly obvious to people – it’s a book meant to be entertainment, not an exhaustive study. like how the big short gives about a two page summary of how the mortgage bond markets worked.
i should never have used the term moneyball in the first place
i said that to kind parody hawk, should have just said ‘saber’ or ‘advanced statistics’ or something. mainly my point was that i didn’t think hahn struck me as the type to tolerate bunting, steal attempts, hit-and-runs on the scale ozzie uses them. i think he’d want a less ‘involved’ guy.
i will now quietly return to my seat.
billy beane has probably said this a thousand times by now because people ask the same silly question over and over.
he doesn’t have a problem with stealing bases. he has a problem with caught stealing. if you have players who can steal bases at or above the break even point, you do it. if you don’t, you don’t.
i hadn't heard that before
so, tip my cap. i got the impression it was no-dice on stealing, from the book (i’m thinking of the art howe stuff, etc). and then they’ve gotten away from all that since that run.
My Quentin point was sell high
Because he was playing good and was healthy. Now he is neither.
My losing streak is based on short term losses for long term gains. The sooner you sell off players the more you get in return.
I think this team has more than a few holes to plug. We have 3 regulars that are batting over .260 right now, including 3 batting under .240. We have nothing to look forward to in the minors except maybe DeAza and Flowers, but who knows what we’ll do with them. And KW has already shown he’s incompetent when it comes to plugging holes with money. The only other way to plug holes is trades and our trade values are worth less.
yeah, that viciedo guy sure sucks
based on your statement that de aza and flowers are in the minors, it is clear you haven’t the faintest clue what’s going on.
by larry on Aug 24, 2011 8:22 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
I forgot Viciedo when I posted, then mentioned him later but replied to the wrong thread
I’m referring to them as products of our minor leagues not active minor leaguers. And unless Pierzynski gets traded, Flowers is going to the bench when he gets back.
Why do you feel Danks and Floyd are worth less?
They have been great lately.
Because of time not skill
1.4 years of Danks > 1 year of Danks
Danks is not going anywhere so I don't see your point.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
i enjoy how you argue that danks is worth more if he was traded in your "fire sale"
you should look up the meaning of the term.
by larry on Aug 24, 2011 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I should have said rebuild, not firesale
I’ll have my publicist send something out
boy you just love to toot your own horn
Was has T-Dogg all of a sudden become the negative noobies official representative of thinking that the White Sox had/have a chance. Its not like they have been 6 games below the entire time. Around the Trade Deadline they were very close.
But Striker, Its amazing you have all these predictive powers. I bet you are one of those guys who “saw this coming” in regards to the roller coaster season. What Front Office are you planning on working with too.
Trading Danks is idiotic, the Sox need to try as hard as possible to keep him.
R.I.P.
2011 White Sox
My serenity is inversely proportional to my expectations.
LET’S GO YOU WHITE SOX!!!!!
Sox going to claim thome?
Haha why, ozzie will probably still trot Dunn out there to kill us on offense and then of course be unable to make an easy pick that leads to a run.
Just an awufl freaking game top to bottom, I can put up with a Flowers making a mistake or even Frasor not having it one night, but the guys that have fucking burried this team all year go out and play like shit like dunn and rios do both offensively and defensively it is becoming time for a change at the top, if ozzie needs to go, im starting to listen to alternatives.
Hard facts, lets assume the Tigers who have been pretty good lately cool off and go 17-17 to finish out the regular season leaving them at 87 wins, just to match that mark the whitesox will have to go a scorching 24-11, hahaha THIS SEASON IS OVAH!!!!
well buster olney
According to Buster Olney of ESPN.com, there is a “high expectation” among baseball executives that the White Sox will win the claim for Jim Thome.
That ship sailed in 2010
I’d hope they would let Thome go to a contending team so he can have a legit shot at a ring.
WE ARE A CONTENDING TEAM, DAMNIT!!!
AND DON’T YOU FORGET IT!!! (Sobs in corner).
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 24, 2011 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Phillies
Let him go to the Phillies again. They love him still, they got a strong team and even though I am still leaning for Milwaukee to win the NL pennant, it would be nice to see him get a chance atleast.
Not.
They are into charity. Witness the labor negotiations. Always helping the other side out.
by winningugly on Aug 24, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
We have been watching the same White Sox team you have.
You should be able to understand where we get that impression.
When did larry say this team is not struggling?
It always amazing how quickly people throw away rationality when it comes to sports. Since larry suggests that baseball teams want to win he must automatically think “the White Sox are good”. That is a logic failure.
Actually, I was making a jok about how the White Sox have not been in the business of winning.
Hence, we would get that impression that other teams wouldn’t be either.
Plus bringing in Thome will place asses in seats
Which is another major thing that baseball teams focus on
probably not possible
If the Sox don’t claim him, he’d likely go to tribe or Tigers. Can’t imagine him falling all the way to the Phillies.
by Wayne Nordhagen on Aug 24, 2011 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Really?
I know they need to replace Hafner, but the way he has been received by the fans every time he comes to bat for his “betrayal”? That much conflicting emotion could cause their heads to explode.
If I were Thome and the Sox showed interest, I'd tell them to go fuck themselves.
"Don Cooper, to the O.R! We have a bleeder!" - SkanchoDanza
by homesickalien on Aug 24, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
if you were really thome, you'd say "gosh, gee whiz, thanks. that's really an honor. you guys are really just the best. of course, i'll bring my tater mashing to chicago!"
by larry on Aug 24, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
something I forgot to finish and share last week...
Why buy the cow when the milk is kinda bitchy?
by SkanchoDanza on Aug 24, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
I guess everyone including the manager and the GM ....
waited for this team to get hot but all we got was lukewarm at times. The only heat this team is generating is heat you get from a fresh pile of manure.
dare to dream
Potential Sept. 1st lineup
De Aza CF
Ramirez SS
Paulie 1B
Thome DH
Q – LF
Tank – RF
A.J. – C
Morel – 3B
Beckham – 2B
most importantly…
Dunn – bench
Rios – bench
If we can just get to that date and still be only 5 or 6 back, I think we’d still have a shot
by Wayne Nordhagen on Aug 24, 2011 9:25 AM CDT reply actions
That is pretty, but you forgot the mighty Donny Lucy over AJ.
For real though, if Ozzie wouldn’t bench Pierre at the beginning of the season when he was battling Dunn and Rios for most futile player, he ceratinaly won’t do it now that he has gotten hot.
Agreed with the lineup.
Disagree with the conclusion. We’re out, Tom.
by winningugly on Aug 24, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
why stop there
how about lillibridge in at 2nd, this team needs offense, i think beckhams defense at 2nd is overrated when your a 230 hitter
I don't have a problem with this either.
Take my name into consideration when I say this, but I’ve pretty much given up hope that Gordon will ever be anything more than “meh” offensively. He’s had plenty of time to figure things out if he was going to be the great player we all wanted him to be. His defense is great, but his swing is way too big. Right now I’d take…
LF – Pierre
CF – De Aza
1B – Konerko
DH – Quentin
RF – Viciedo
SS – Ramirez
2B – Lillibridge
C – Pierzynski/Flowers
3B – Morel
"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic" - Crash Davis
by Servant2LordBeckham on Aug 24, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
beckham is 24 years old.
the list of very good players who didn’t yet click on offense in the majors at age 24 is not short.
just a couple of the players who gordon was routinely compared to back in his savior days:
this
I don’t quite understand the rush to say Gordon will never do …………..Disappointing yes but keep it in perspective
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
His swing needs to be fixed.
I don’t mean to make it sound like this is something that can happen overnight, but if several of us can see it then you’d think the coaches would be on top of it. Once again, FGW.
"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic" - Crash Davis
by Servant2LordBeckham on Aug 24, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
And if you don't understand why people are in a rush to see better results...
This should remind you of how highly he was was valued…
"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic" - Crash Davis
by Servant2LordBeckham on Aug 24, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
People probably shouldn't use stuff like that to shape their expectations for a player's performance
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
You win.
"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic" - Crash Davis
by Servant2LordBeckham on Aug 24, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
That Chase Utley comp is a pretty high ceiling
He’s one of my favorite non-White Sox players, and has been for a while. I know better than to expect Bacon to turn into a guy who could be among the league leaders in WAR for an extended period, but at this point anything positive is encouraging.
by mechanical turk on Aug 24, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
And these are the three he was compared to this year in BP.
JJ Hardy, Carlos Baerga and Jim Lefebvre.
All serviceable. Could be worse.
I would not mind having Hardy playing for us right now. Becks is somewhere between Young/Utley and Baerga 5 years from now, I’d wager.
Hardy has been great this year for Baltimore
I’d take a Hardyesque leading off and hitting home runs at a regular clip from Gordon anyday.
carlos baerga was a stud when he first came up for cleveland.
at least he was in the eyes of a 13 year old kenwo.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Some perspective is nice
but Beckham’s not just struggling to click, he’s getting steadily worse. His plate discipline has fallen from a cliff. I’m not writing him off. I think his hitting approach needs to change, not his swing. The problems Beckham’s having with fastballs and his worsening trends in contact/eye/power are similar problems to those of the guy Beckham was originally called up to replace in ’09.
perhaps he could use a change of scenery.
I think we all know that if he was traded he’d become a routine 3-4 WAR player.
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 24, 2011 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions
the only way you pry JP out of that lineup is over Ozzie's dead, rotting corpse
Where the white women at?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGQ-ISsDm8M
by parkernutws05 on Aug 24, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
and this is for all those people who think boras controls his clients.
“Obviously, he wants to give you the best options and free agency can give you the best options,” Weaver said. “He would have liked to have seen me gone, but I told him I wanted to get something done and he was more than willing to work with me about it that way.”
players control agents.
This.
They hire, they fire. Agents serve at the pleasure of their clients.
by winningugly on Aug 24, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Weaver
I think he left anywhere from 40-60 million on the table, I couldnt believe that extention announcement when I saw it. UNREAL
however...
if he gets hurt between now and the end of the season, or suddenly goes in the tank, …. smart move.
Once you go OC you never go back.
I think it’s nice that player would say that $85 million is probably more money than he will ever need. Plus, it’s not like he plays in the NBA.
This space is available.
White Sox 2011 yo-yo;
White Sox will win three of the next four games, we’ll leapfrog the Tribe, and the Tigers will lose a couple. Tank will be called up and we’ll be flying high until the WSox hit their next three game losing streak.
White Sox 2011: The season of extraneous body parts.
How 'bout the Magic 8-Ball ?
Sabermetrics hurt my head, just give me the facts.
I didn't know Tyrone Biggums was in the future-predicting business.
Good for him….
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 24, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
so i'm stepping out the door now
and when i come back i 99% expect that it was the white sox that claimed Thome off waiver wires instead of someone more useful like wandy or heath
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Aug 24, 2011 12:35 PM CDT reply actions
other notes:
*the giveaway was a chia rally monkey. the sounds of broken terra cotta and disappointment were plainly heard upon exiting. heh.
*sergio was having fun when the kiss cam ended up on the sox bullpen. big “c’mon!” gestures with his arms out. whoever was sitting next to him (frasor?) was having none of it.
*there was no mention of P2K by the stadium announcers. savages.
I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.
We all know Adam Dunn is proud of the fact that
he never picks up a bat in the off-season. He must be aglow with pride today, now that we all know he doesn’t pick up a glove either.
"Fortunately, this one does not require the freezing spray." - Steve Stone's comment while a trainer tended to Lou Marson after being hit it the nutsack by a foul ball (8/16/11)
the shitty bat is shocking. the shitty glove is not.
I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.
by thatshortkid on Aug 24, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
he said he is going to work differently this off-season
He wasn’t “proud” either, he just didn’t have to workout much because he was that automatic. This is his one bad year, its shitty timing. But I think it is stupid to try to personally insult him. I’ve said this many times, He feels far worse about his performance than you. I can guarantee it, it does not matter how much money he makes.
Well, we all now know it is no longer "automatic"
And I appreciate his taking time during the upcoming off-season to actually prepare for his job in 2012. I hope the 2011 season wasn’t too much of an inconvenience and that the rest of his time spent in a Sox uniform is simply stellar.
"Fortunately, this one does not require the freezing spray." - Steve Stone's comment while a trainer tended to Lou Marson after being hit it the nutsack by a foul ball (8/16/11)
by tailgater on Aug 24, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i'm going to make an assumption and say you're good at your job
what i want you to do is go change your approach to it and tell me it will automatically yield better results. or, tell me to go fuck myself because you’re going to continue to do what has worked for you until it doesn’t.
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Aug 24, 2011 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not naming names, but it's always interesting the negativity expressed after a shitty loss, but the same folks are never here after a win.
Whatever.
Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?
They need to let fucking go and let fucking Donny.
Why buy the cow when the milk is kinda bitchy?
by SkanchoDanza on Aug 24, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
If a couple of Twins pull us into the playoffs
I believe we’d see Jonestown, Part Deux, on this site. I’d let someone else drink the grape Koolaide first, of course.
Which of us would be in charge of shooting the politician and his entourage at the airport?
White Sox 2011: The season of extraneous body parts.
Swisher to honeymoon in Afghanistan
I cannot blame him for that, but I cannot wait to hear about how Dianetics improved his swing.
Does anyone know the route he will be taking?
If so, does anyone know how to make an IED?
"Fortunately, this one does not require the freezing spray." - Steve Stone's comment while a trainer tended to Lou Marson after being hit it the nutsack by a foul ball (8/16/11)
get a cellphone, a football, some scissors, some acetone, some aluminum wire, some lithium nitrate and zinc oxide
oh and a blowtorch and bunsen burner. trust me i stayed in a Libyan Holiday Inn last night
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Aug 24, 2011 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
just imagine where we'd be if not for the sucktitude of april.
"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza
i'm hoping we didn't claim thome.
let the guy go to a team with a better than 1 percent chance to win it all… or let him go back to the tribe to complete the circle of life.
id take kubel though.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Just got an e-mail...
…from the Angels, thanking me for buying tickets. They also provided video highlights, the box score and info on upcoming games. Thanking me! Are they doing this bk in chgo now? Seems smart —but omg, it’s the whitest ballpark in the country.
did you make sure to leave feedback on your gameday experience?
I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.
by thatshortkid on Aug 24, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I got the same thing from the LA Clippers last year when I bought a couple of tickets for clients of mine.
Then they called me at my house! Desperado.
i have robot oliver purnell leaving me voicemails hawking depaul men's bball tickets
for some reason, this enrages me much more than when the poor undergrads call asking for donations outright
Oh shit.
memories of seeing Purnell on the sidelines in his fugly ass orange suits is burned into my retinas.
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 24, 2011 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
well one positive thing... if the sox fall out of the race i'll be able to snag some scout seats for pretty cheap.
that would be groovy.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Beckham and Dunn should move into part of Konerko's 16000 sq foot home this winter.
Paulie can coach them up.
leave those two jokers away from paulie
whatever he has done the last two years to make me stop hating him has been unbelievable.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
2012 white sox lineup
CF de aza
SS che
LF Q!
1B Kong
RF dayan
DH Dunn
C Flowers
2B beckham
3B morel
aj get traded
pierre FA
rios and cash for a prospect or 2
"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza
people really need to get used to the fact that rios is going to be here for awhile.
i certainly don’t want to read a bunch of half-baked trade scenarios this offseason.
Are fully baked scenarios acceptable?
"Fortunately, this one does not require the freezing spray." - Steve Stone's comment while a trainer tended to Lou Marson after being hit it the nutsack by a foul ball (8/16/11)
by tailgater on Aug 24, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I can't wait for Tastee's
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 24, 2011 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Your 2012 line up suggests otherwise
by Grinder in Training on Aug 24, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
mm perhaps i missed a "wish" in there
"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza
no shit. as long as we're wishing lineups...
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 24, 2011 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I wish for in no specific order
Jermaine Dye RF
Chet Lemon CF
Frank Thomas 1B
Carlton Fisk C
Nellie Fox 2B
Luke Appling SS
Robin Ventura 3B
Joe Jackson LF
Harold Baines DH
Billy Pierce P
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
some washed up, fat retirees and a few corpses?
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 24, 2011 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
think of the jersey sales!
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
Can people also be remined that De Aza isn't all *that* great, as well?
I love what he’s done, but he’snot going to revolutionize WSB.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 24, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
like an OF of 3 Rios
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 24, 2011 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions
i miss the days of light-heartedly mocking the sorianos and wellses of the world
i can’t help but feel the gods are punishing me
I want Jim Thome back
I’m not keen enough to decipher whether it makes sense, what with your “batting averages” and “wins above something something” and your various other filmflam maths
I just want another chance to root for that adorable salt-of-the-earth goofball in a white sox jersey before he’s ripped away from me again
Love you big jim!
PROMOTE GREG WALKER!
by billyok on Aug 24, 2011 2:58 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
And only a few more years away from HR #700!
"Fortunately, this one does not require the freezing spray." - Steve Stone's comment while a trainer tended to Lou Marson after being hit it the nutsack by a foul ball (8/16/11)
So when someone claims them they can say...
“Oh no, we meant Jake Peavy, Jason Frasor, Alex Rios, and Adam Dunn. You wanted them, right?”
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 24, 2011 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions
In a good way!
Great thread.
"If you are looking for a good and quick treat, mosey on over to Hardees or KFC." -Jessy S
Tonights will be even creepier!
Considering how disheartening it is going to be to watch a newly re-upped Jared Weaver.
And I'm already drunk!
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Yeah, it was excellently creepy. Any time a gamethread starts with a drunk billy, it's bound to be fun.
"Don Cooper, to the O.R! We have a bleeder!" - SkanchoDanza
by homesickalien on Aug 24, 2011 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Just browsed it.
Now I feel like I have to clean my room in case there’s another bachelor-pad off
by Grinder in Training on Aug 24, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
im pretty impressed with whomever cleans your house.
you have a young one. my kids destroy my house every day.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
no shit.
I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.
by thatshortkid on Aug 24, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
just scanned it. holy fucking balls, well done, y'all.
and thanks for the compliment, rhub. i try.
I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.
by thatshortkid on Aug 24, 2011 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
South Side Expat. twas gold!
"Don Cooper, to the O.R! We have a bleeder!" - SkanchoDanza
by homesickalien on Aug 24, 2011 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
botd really put his own stamp on that thread
billyok, too though. this is my favorite line from the entire thread:
“put the good skin in water and maybe a small person will be there in the morning” – billyok
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 24, 2011 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions
that one and TP's joke about Cheat's English degree.
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 24, 2011 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Thome coming to town!
Wow, that’s really amazing. I’m pretty sure we are still in contention if we can run out Thome, Manny, and General Soreness instead of Dunn, Pierre, and Rios the rest of the way!
Seriously, there’s just no point unless he actually plays into Type B status (in which case, I still think there’s a decent chance he’s done). The move doesn’t hurt much, so fine I guess. Doesn’t make up for the gigantic mistake of him not being in our lineup for half of the last 280 games, possibly even more if we got him a MedicAlert bracelet that he could just press a button and get a ride on the days where stairs prove too much.
BTW I have no idea if he's coming to down
Idaman re: waiver claim.
by Gentleman Jim on Aug 24, 2011 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions
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