Pitching survives - even thrives - with Flowers
For our next stop on the Chicago White Sox's Can't-Do Attitude Tour, we turn to Tyler Flowers.
"Can't-do" doesn't apply to Flowers personally, mind you. He has exceeded just about everybody's expectations thus far, as he's hitting .273/.375/.473, with six of his 15 hits going for extra bases. Every time he appears set to crash -- such as a pair of silver sombreros against the Angels -- he bounces back.
Flowers even earned the A.J. Pierzynski Badge by catching a day game after a night game this weekend. He was on the receiving end of two great starts, and he hit the White Sox's first grand slam of the season in the series finale.
I bring up Flowers because he's doing the kinds of things that made Pierzynski irreplaceable in the minds and hearts of the people in and around the Sox. Hawk Harrelson is the chief cheerleader for Pierzynski's smarts, and many consider him the hardest White Sox player to replace. Kenny Williams has said he was uncomfortable with giving the team a rookie catcher; they re-signed Ramon Castro because they didn't want a rookie to be Plan B in the event of a Pierzynski injury.
Mark Buehrle, in particular, was adamant that a rookie catcher could hamper a veteran pitching staff. From the Sun-Times on Feb. 22, 2010:
''We can tell them, 'Hey, [Pierzynski] makes our team better, we want him back,''' Buehrle said. ''Tell them that if we go with Flowers, he's a young guy who has to learn a whole new pitching staff. In the long run, though, it's a business, and they're not going to listen to us all the time. I think everyone here would like to have him back. I know I would.''
Well, in Flowers' 15 starts this season, the White Sox are 9-6. He owns a 3.38 catcher's ERA, compared to Pierzynski's 3.74. Among the notches in his chest protector:
- John Danks' best start of the year (Aug. 27).
- Jake Peavy's best start since April (Aug. 7).
- Back-to-back high-quality outings by Gavin Floyd (Aug. 21 and Aug. 28)
Don't take the particulars too seriously. For one, catcher's ERA is a sketchy-at-best stat, and Flowers has to play a solid month before his sample can be deemed even slightly comparable.
And most of all, I don't care to make this a Pierzynski vs. Flowers battle, because I'd still go with Pierzynski if I needed one catcher for the rest of the season. Flowers' problems with contact can sink him in a hurry, and the Sox need left-handedness with Adam Dunn on bedrest.
But it's important to note what Flowers is doing for posterity. Pierzynski's had the position in a headlock since he came to Chicago; in fact, he's the team's only catcher for an entire generation of Sox fans. Before his injury, you had to go back to 2006 to find a time when Pierzynski missed two consecutive regularly scheduled games. No matter how bad he's been -- and he's been outright terrible at times with his swing-at-everything approach -- Guillen feels compelled to write his name in the lineup card because of Pierzynski's veteran presence.
Granted, some of it's been due to the lack of a credible backup, but that doesn't explain all of it. Even when Ramon Castro became Ramon Blastro while Pierzynski 4-3'd himself into the ground last year, Castro couldn't club his way into starting two games in a row. Not even once. Guillen can't bench Pierzynski for even a short spell. Intangibles were cited as the official reason; Guillen's reluctance to upset a veteran or consider changing a "role" is more likely.
Pierzynski's injury allowed Flowers to establish a precedent. We've been told the Sox can't do without A.J., but we can point to this three-game sweep and say the pitching staff will not disband if somebody besides Pierzynski catches consecutive games. Pierzynski probably can game-call circles around Flowers, but Flowers found a way to catch two dandy starts, and he guided Jake Peavy to victory when he didn't have all his pitches. The Sox have options, even though they seem averse to them.
This will be more of an issue next season, when Flowers is the presumptive backup to Pierzynski for a full slate. Pierzynski didn't handle his contract year well in 2010, and he pinned his miserable start on his uncertain future. Should similar pressures sink Pierzynski for a month or two in 2012, there's finally ironclad proof that the Sox can survive without him for a few days.
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THE PITCHING STAFF HAS DISBANDED?!?
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
by colintj on Aug 29, 2011 12:12 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
*crashes through window*
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
by colintj on Aug 29, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
*flies back up through window*
glass reassembles
It’s not robbing Peter to pay Paul — it’s bludgeoning Peter to death, and then realizing on the way back that you forgot to grab his wallet.
by SonOfCron on Aug 29, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Oh, if only I knew that asterisks in the body of the message made things bold *before* I posted that.
It’s not robbing Peter to pay Paul — it’s bludgeoning Peter to death, and then realizing on the way back that you forgot to grab his wallet.
This is why AJ never wants out of a game.
The Wally Pipp thing.
by winningugly on Aug 29, 2011 12:29 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Pierre LF Ramirez SS Konerko 1B Rios CF Viciedo DH De Aza RF Flowers C Morel 3B Beckham 2B Buehrle P
You hit caps lock on accident, didn't you.
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 29, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
He only meant to capitalize "and"
sideways smiley face
by TasteeFreeze on Aug 29, 2011 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
that's what I was getting at, yes.
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 29, 2011 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
the fuck is rios still doing in the 4 slot?
"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza
i mean, he'd be better suited in the 3 hole
in front of konerko. ozzie is so fucking annoying.
"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza
thats not to say i think he should be in the middle of the order
clearly
"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza
If Rios GIDPs and the bases are clear for Jackin' Dayan
Then Ozzie reasons he looks like less of an asshole for the solo shots, then he would for the three-run jack that got him in trouble yesterday.
my favorite part of tanks day was the walk.
was a really good AB
"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza
You can't put three right-handed hitters in a row
and Rios is not a hitter.
Why buy the cow when the milk is kinda bitchy?
by SkanchoDanza on Aug 29, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Said Yoda...
"His Load got Sloppy" Colintj
by DrEmilioLizardo on Aug 29, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Now they just gotta get rid of that 'Rios being the centerpiece of the offense and defense' thing
and they’ll be allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllright
What ever happened to that diminishing role for Rios thing.
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 29, 2011 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait... Rios was in a boy band?
Why wasn’t that a bigger story?
Little Bighorn. Classic small sample size. -Skancho Danza
by keystone connection on Aug 29, 2011 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
You didn't know?
He along with Vernon Wells and Gary Matthews formed a band called 2OvaPayd. They were a cross between BSB and IBS
by joewho112 on Aug 29, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
this is excellent
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 29, 2011 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
was going to say, 'what kind of women do you hang out with'
then i looked again.
jesus christ.
by obnoxious american on Aug 29, 2011 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
smedium shirts and skinny jeans
definitely a feminine look. or an excuse to count his money in public cause his pockets are few and minute
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Aug 29, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
how can you tell they're skinny jeans without seeing the fit on the thighs and legs
And a plain white v-neck tee isn’t particularly feminine unless it’s actualizing cleavage.
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
the belt and the necklace in that photo are the more troubling choices
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
seriously.
wtf wears white belts. with a white undershirt, nonetheless.
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 29, 2011 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
The belt is not good, but I respect a rope.
Chain heavy. Chain too heavy.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
yeah yeah my chain too heavy
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 29, 2011 6:18 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I count at least eight.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
nah, he's just too meta for you. here, he's communicating what he's been playing like: deuces.
I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.
by thatshortkid on Aug 29, 2011 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
this was taken just before he took those two index fingers and rubbed them and his thumbs together
and just after he insulted a fan and refused to sign an autograph for another.
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 29, 2011 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Lawernce Holmes going medium hard right now on B&B.
Taking “our” side of the argument, without going after Rongey or Merkin.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 29, 2011 2:16 PM CDT reply actions
FUCK ROGNEY AND MERKIN
regardless of playoff chances its pretty obvious viciendo was better than half our roster since June.
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
the kid only has one n in his name.
"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza
whosh both of you
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
i doubt it. and you didn't whosh me.
cut it out.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
by BuehrleMan on Aug 29, 2011 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
This.
Christ, no more whosh/whoosh shit.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
actually, i'm not bothered by the occasional whoshing.
sometimes a good whosh really hits the spot. it’s setting out with the intent to create a whosh, a whoshtrap if you will, that i believe to be the foremost peccadillo.
there are two other significant transgressions; the first is conveying a sense of satisfaction that a whosh has occurred. this is bad form and also immediately gives away the fact that one was indeed employing a whoshtrap. the second is prematurely assuming a whosh has occurred. this can cause all sorts of confusion and can be responsible for making it look like one was setting a whoshtrap even if that was not the case. one should really pause and consider whether a whosh has actually transpired.
(and of course the worst situation that can present itself is when one commits both of these boners and it turns out to not have even been an efficacious whosh in the first place. that is just downright embarrassing and should result in a one week ban.)
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
by BuehrleMan on Aug 29, 2011 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
I love the word peccadillo.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
I'm with you there but you must consider the fact that some people
make a genuine error and deserve backlash. Once the backlash is received, in order to save face they they whosh. This person tries to give the perception that they are somehow more clever than they really are.
Without rules, we have anarchy
Someone should compile a whosh protocol
Like Roberts rules of order for whoshing
by moroots on Apr 21, 2011 5:05 PM CDT via mobile
don't fail to see the joke and/or sarcasm?
or don’t suggest to someone that they have failed to see the joke and/or sarcasm?
good luck with that.
I fuckin' agree
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 29, 2011 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
seri-whoosh-ly
sideways smiley face
by TasteeFreeze on Aug 29, 2011 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Amount of times "whosh" has been used on SSS: 412.
Amount of times it has been used by BOS: 30.
That’s good for 7.3% of all “whoshes”.
Same shit with “whoosh”: 473 and 32.
Granted WU is even more prolific, but still.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
for bos it is a way of trying to call someone stupid
when in reality he realized that it was the only way to possibly save face due to his own idiocy
by Rhubarb on Aug 29, 2011 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
jesus christ here you go
http://www.southsidesox.com/2011/8/28/2389247/gamethread-hurricane-theater#75805694
i swear i’ll never use whosh again!
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
Yeah guys, how could you not be familiar with that well known exchange from a weekend gamethread?
Jeez, I thought you guys were, like, well read and stuff
We didn't think it factual.
Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?
clearly i need to start adding footnotes¹.
¹ i have no intention of using footnotes.
by craigws on Aug 29, 2011 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Spiegel actually did really good with it earlier
Dan McNeil tagged along with him. Speigel said we could have sent down a BP arm, JP or Omar.
LoHo is usually pretty bad when he is paired with Bernstein. Basically become a yes man. Most of that station has been calling for Viciedo though.
seriously what the fuck was that
Where did that dude come from? His accent was so strong I couldn’t even tell if he liked or disliked the Sox. I think Hyde Park Barber might have been a racial thing?
oh, it most definitely was intended to be a racial thing.
not sure exactly what it was racisting, though.
Without question
Rongey’s position will be if he fails, “told you so.”
If he succeeds, “no guarantee he would have done that earlier in the season.”
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
I suppose the only thing to do is to not pay attention to Rongey at all
I like the concerted effort on twitter though because he is in the “blog guys” atmosphere and twitter is actually followed by industry people and fans alike.
I'm happy to not know who this Rongey is.
sideways smiley face
by TasteeFreeze on Aug 29, 2011 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
rongey may be...obtuse,
but i’ve never heard him be a told you so guy. maybe i (rightly) don’t listen to him enough.
by obnoxious american on Aug 29, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
AJ's injury thus became the highlight of the 2011 season.
Here’s hoping the Flowers-Viciedo fireworks show gets plenty of opportunities in 2012.
Going to be at the game tonight.
Ticket is for left field foul territory.
by ObsidianXIII on Aug 29, 2011 3:15 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
sitting at home thru October?
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 29, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
With work, my family and my sanity
Living where I live it would take a smorgasbord of anti-depressants to sit through traffic only to get there in the second or third inning of a Buehrle game. Don’t question my shit!
Me too
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 29, 2011 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow. Tickets are dirt cheap from the Sox Ticketmaster site right now.
section 132 for $34.
"That might be how you roll at Camp Anawanna, Budnick. But where I come from, we only salute Old Glory." -moroots on May 23rd
by South Side Expat on Aug 29, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Caught Stealing
Pierzynski: SB 78 CS 19 (20%)
Flowers: SB 17 CS 6 (26%)
Small sample size. But can Pierzynski still blame the pitchers ALL the time?
To compare
Alex Avila: SB 72 CS 36 (33%)
Joe Mauer: SB 26 CS 12 (32%)
Miguel Olivo: SB 66 CS 26 (28%)
Russell Martin: SB 72 SB 32 (31%)
Picked these guys randomly.
AL league average is 29%.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
And in case there was any wonder
Donny Lucy is on top.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
maybe i'm crazy
but it seems like flowers can actually throw the ball to second base.
by obnoxious american on Aug 29, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Factoring out pickoffs
Pierzynski: 10-for-88 (11.3 percent)
Flowers: 5-for-22 (22.7 percent)
Whales! Squids! Sharks! They're everywhere! Hello, I am Poseidon! Now, when people told me I was crazy that thinly sliced roast beef would be a delicious fast-food option, I knew it was the greatest idea, and you can thank me later for Arby's.
by Jim Margalus on Aug 29, 2011 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
you hit the ball
you…uh…something something
you catch the ball.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
by colintj on Aug 29, 2011 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
not much room to the left of che
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
by colintj on Aug 29, 2011 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 10 recs
guffaw.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
it's a gift
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
Oz said he and Dunn had productive chat, Oz says Dunn understands diminished role
huh. and here i thought you couldn’t change the Role of the Well-Paid Veteran Designated Hitter.
http://twitter.com/#!/MDGonzales/status/108288768506728448
i know we've talked it to death
but what the hell? these players have to know they’ve screwed the team’s chances. what are Dunn and Rios gonna do, demand satisfaction?
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
i'd think there would have been a decent period of time
wherein dunn would have asked to keep playing because he sincerely believed he’d eventually come out of it.
clearly that time has passed for dunn.
Maybe Oz finally used a translator.
by winningugly on Aug 29, 2011 4:33 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Easier than Ozzie's next chat when he sits Lillibridge down to explain where babies come from.
by FlyingSpaghettiMonster on Aug 29, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
And that the magic feather that he gave him earlier in the year isn't actually magical
by joewho112 on Aug 29, 2011 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
jesus christ, yes it is!
do you see how many homers he has!?
by obnoxious american on Aug 29, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
No, obnoxious american, the real magic is believing in yourself
by joewho112 on Aug 29, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 10 recs
one time i saw this guy and he did this thing...
and anyway, then he said “if you believe yourself, and with a tiny pinch of magic, all your dreams can come true.”
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
son of a bitch.
it was inside him all along, wasn’t it.
by obnoxious american on Aug 29, 2011 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure everyone, including myself...
assumes Ozzie will go back to starting AJ 6 times a week once he’s healthy again (and next season). But a lot of us doubted Ozzie’s ability to manage a bullpen and by all accounts he’s done a masterful job with that this season. I guess there’s hope. I’d like to see an even split next season, that’s probably wishful thinking, but I can dream.
no one here has really doubted ozzies ability to manage the bullpen
he is excellent with pitching outside of jake peavy and sucks offensively
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
by "us", he means the british landed gentry.
by larry on Aug 29, 2011 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
you mean when I wear my RL Polo shirt I'm being a poser?
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 29, 2011 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions

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