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White Sox prospects in the Arizona Fall League

Brandon Short

Partial rosters for the Arizona Fall League were released yesterday.  This year, White Sox prospects will play for the Mesa Solar Sox, joining players from the Cubs, Orioles, Twins and Pirates.  The announced participants are: RHP Terry Doyle, OF Brandon Short, SS Tyler Saladino and "C" Josh Phegley.  The White Sox will be adding three more pitchers, though pitchers sent to the AFL generally (and by the White Sox specifically) tend to be of the roster filler variety.  Charlotte manager Joe McEwing will also be managing the Solar Sox.

There are constraints that can impede a team getting a position player on a roster.  Obviously, teams are being constructed and, while there is rotation of players, if other organizations are intent on getting, say, their third baseman on the team, you might be out of luck getting yours on the team.  The organizations that comprise each team hold a "position" draft and then the club will assign one of their players who meets eligibility requirements to the team.  Those requirements include that organizations are initially only allowed to put two players not on an AA/AAA roster on the team.  Finally, foreign players from countries that have winter ball must not be on that country's "protected player list".

All that said, who the White Sox put on the team (or don't) does say quite a bit about how they view players.  I'll go over the players after the jump.

Star-divide

Doyle is likely to be the only kind of pitching prospect on the team.  A 37th round pick out of Boston College in 2008, he pitched a full four seasons there after declining to sign with the Dodgers, who drafted him in the 21st round of the 2007 draft.  Obviously, he wasn't particularly well-regarded then.  He's improved his standing somewhat with consistently good performances at every level, culminating in a half season at Birmingham (92.1 IP, 85 H, 21 BB, 67 K).  He is 25 and thus can be accused of beating up on younger players but that criticism dissipates quite a bit when you get to AA.  Doyle is primarily a fastball-curveball pitcher who pitches to contact and I'm looking forward to getting some Pitch F/X data on him.  He's possible backend rotation fodder.

Short was the obvious choice for the White Sox' outfield contribution and clarifies their thinking on Tyler Kuhn as not really much.  Short, a 28th round pick in 2008, has a lot of swing and miss in his game (21% K rate) and doesn't take many walks (6% BB rate), though the righty does help his OBP some by getting hit at a decent rate (9 times this season).  He's contact dependent and he's learning this season what happens when your BABIP isn't above average: .265/.320/.411.  The 22 year old has some speed but isn't particularly effective stealing (21 for 30). The reports on him in center field are mixed; whether he can play there is essential as his offensive skills don't play in a corner.

Saladino is the White Sox' A ball choice and this solidifies his rapidly rising prospect status.  A  2010 7th round pick, coming into the season there were significant questions about whether he can stick at shortstop.  The defensive reports this season have been favorable, though I will add the "your defense is as good as your offense" caveat that seems to distort the defensive assessment of some prospects.  And the righty's offense has been good:.265/.358/.497.  The power is particularly interesting, though Winston-Salem is an inflated offensive environment.  While the pitching in the AFL is generally behind the hitting (because most top pitching prospects are shut down), it will be a test for the 22 year old as he hasn't before faced such advanced pitching.  Barring the addition of an Addison Reed type, Saladino will be the best prospect the White Sox send.

Phegley was supposed to play in the AFL last year but the surgery to remove his spleen and solve his problem with ITP, a blood condition, prevented that.  The alleged catcher split time between Birmingham (88 games) and Charlotte (22 games) this season.  The righty hit better in AAA (.253/.337/.380) than he did in AA (.241/.286/.371).  Those offensive number would be fine if he could actually catch.  As we have discussed many times, he cannot.  He's certainly looking like a waste of the White Sox' supplemental first round pick in 2009.

Games begin October 4 and go to November 19.

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If Saladino can't stick at short

which direction do his skills point more to, second or third?

by Titan52 on Aug 31, 2011 4:30 PM CDT reply actions  

this is what BA said about him today
White Sox shortstop Tyler Saladino doesn’t run as well as scouts would like for a middle infielder, but he does have sure hands and a decent arm. And maybe more importantly, he has some line-drive pop in his bat. Saladino may not be a big league regular at shortstop, but he does have utilityman potential.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/online/prospects/winter-baseball/arizona-fall-league/2011/2612263.html

by larry on Aug 31, 2011 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very similar to lilli after a season and a half as a pro in basically the same leagues

minus some of the contact, a lot of the wheels, and one year of life:

TS 691 PA, .279/.370/.475, 75/142 BB/K
BL 776 PA, .288/.384/.467, 101/139 BB/K

A fair comp at this point?

by dr. lingerie on Aug 31, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lilli's ceiling was considered to be pretty high.

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by e-gus on Aug 31, 2011 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

thanks

Good to be able to understand what to realistically hope for.

Definitely have the sense that unless Mitchell or Thompson put it together, there isn’t a ML regular position player in the system.

by Titan52 on Aug 31, 2011 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why do you think they aren't sending Mitchell?

"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."

by BobbySouthSide on Aug 31, 2011 4:38 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Dunn was good last year too

I see what you are saying, but he lost a year with injury and he’s been scuffling ever since. I would think they would try and get him more at bats and see if he could get any confidence going into next year.

"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."

by BobbySouthSide on Aug 31, 2011 5:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

getting destroyed in the AFL isn't going to help confidence.

he’ll go to the instructional league, which is where he belongs.

by larry on Aug 31, 2011 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ahh, well that makes more sense

Didn’t think of that. Your thought that next year is make or break for him? What I mean does another down year basically close the door on him for the most part?

"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."

by BobbySouthSide on Aug 31, 2011 5:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

probably.

though quite a few already have. i don’t think i’ve talked to anyone who thinks he’s much of a prospect anymore.

by larry on Aug 31, 2011 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

hehe
The alleged catcher

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Aug 31, 2011 4:41 PM CDT reply actions  

short with the low bb% and high k%

that seems to be a theme with our minor leaguers.
is this something that is common across the minor leagues in general, or is it something specific to the types of players the sox select and how they are coached?

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by soxshenanigans on Aug 31, 2011 5:12 PM CDT reply actions  

adding on

see sickels’ assessment of the solar sox roster linked below. half the hitters he mentions have what he would describe at strike zone judgment issues. and that’s just those he considers actual prospects.

by larry on Sep 1, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you.

Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?

by Chiburb on Aug 31, 2011 5:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Is Dylan Axelrod a prospect?

Just asking…no one ever seems to mention this guy despite strong numbers and only being 25.

by Cliff Poncier on Aug 31, 2011 7:30 PM CDT reply actions  

you sort of answered your own question.

being 25 is not a positive. nor is being 26, his age. he might be backend rotation filler.

by larry on Aug 31, 2011 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm planning a comeback next year at 32.

what level should i be placed in?

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by KenWo4LiFe on Aug 31, 2011 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

You will play for the Joliet Slammers and you will like it.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Aug 31, 2011 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Different owner group. New name. New prison theme.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Aug 31, 2011 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

i think im going to go see them play crestwood on sunday.

I live in a simpler place. I speak the language. ~ U-God

by e-gus on Aug 31, 2011 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

They need to become a real minor league team so bad.

Beautiful stadium, city that supports the team.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Aug 31, 2011 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk

by blackoutsox on Sep 1, 2011 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

he seems to like Saladino

Like you mention above, he could be intriguing and someone to keep an eye on. Thanks for the info

"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."

by BobbySouthSide on Sep 1, 2011 9:25 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

Saladino splits

One thing worth noting about Saladino is that he’s got a higher OPS (.883) on the road than at home (.844). So while Winston-Salem seems to inflate just about everyone else (Mitchell is putting up Dunn numbers on the road), I wouldn’t count it against Saladino.

by danman31 on Sep 1, 2011 3:46 PM CDT reply actions  

not that much of a difference

Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk

by blackoutsox on Sep 1, 2011 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

larry its sept. 1st...

a little odd we haven’t heard of the september callups isn’t it? you would think we’d want everyone possible ASAP.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 1, 2011 4:35 PM CDT reply actions  

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