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The Five Sides of Hawk Harrelson

2011_6_2_hawk_mediumAnyone remember Jerry Sands? Yes, the Jerry Sands that Hawk Harrelson touted as the next great when he had a 4 for 5 game against the Sox earlier this year. (I think he even compared him to Micky Mantle.) Well things never really panned out for Sands this year. He ended up batting .200 before the Dodgers sent him back to AAA Albuquerque.* Maybe Sands will amount to something, but the way Hawk lauded about him you’d think he was Ken Griffey. Hawk rided his jock like a love-scorned Orange County housewife. And this is what Hawk does; he says things. He says a lot of things.

*Am I the only one that laughs at the thought of being "sent back to Albuquerque"? You could say "sent back to hell" and it would mean all the same to me. I picture guys pleading with Ned Colletti when they get sent down: "Noooo anywhere but Albuquerque! I’ll do anything, please! I realize I’m striking out too much, but I can’t go back. Have you seen what’s down there?" I would rather live as a toy in Sid’s backyard than live in Albuquerque.

This column has been forming in my head for some time now. I have long been trying to pinpoint my feelings about Hawk Harrelson but I have found it darn near impossible to do so because my feelings of him are always changing. So this is an attempt to clear up those feelings.

Star-divide

 

I have broken down the Hawk into five parts. Some parts of him I like, some parts I hate. It’s something of a like-hate relationship (love seemed too strong a word) where the line between like and hate is to some extent defined, but yet, the line is in constant flux as some parts show themselves more than others at different times. That is to say, trying to sum up how I feel about the Hawk at any given time is as confusing as quantum physics or female genitalia.

Everyone has an opinion of the Hawk. Besides Vin Scully, Harrelson may be the most talked about baseball commentator, for better or worse (mostly for worse). Being the polarizing figure that he is, my theory is that each side of Hawk affects people to a different degree and the sum of those parts falls on either side of the like-hate fence. I personally spend most of my time sitting squarely on the like-hate fence - the chain links digging into my butt - I eventually must pick a side.

Without further ado, here are the parts:

The Leslie Nielsen Side: This is the side of Hawk Harrelson that makes a fake Twitter persona (@nothawk) work. The late-great Nielsen was known for his deadpan expression and his goofy, oblivious nature. Even if Nielsen was to act seriously, it would be hard not to laugh. And this is what the Hawk is becoming. It’s hard to take him seriously. It’s almost like he is doing an SNL skit of himself with his repetitive clichés and over-the-top reactions. For instance, when he would say, "That’s how you get a 16,000 square foot house in Scottsdale" every time Konerko did anything.* Hawk thought he was so clever coming up with this. But it became so predictable and so unclever that it became increasingly hysterical.

*I have a very vivid memory of Paul Konerko doing that flicky half-swing that he does, dumping the ball into right field, and Hawk promptly belted "That’s how you get a 16,000 square foot house in Scottsdale." Really, Hawk? That’s specifically how it’s done? Surely you can’t be serious?

Richard Roeper tweeted: "If Hawk Harrelson dropped every play by play cliche, his entire verbal output would consist of his misuse of the word "meanwhile."" It’s funny because it’s true. Maybe it’s not ideal that our play-by-play commentator can’t be taken seriously, but in Harrelson’s case, I like this side of him. He’s like Cousin Eddie from Christmas Vacation. Eddie has his deficiencies - the metal plate in his head, his lack of any income, his horny dog, etc -  but at the end of the day, he is still family and it wouldn’t be Christmas without him. The same goes for Hawk Harrelson. He’s part of the White Sox family. It wouldn’t be a White Sox game without him.

(My favorite line from Christmas Vacation is:

Clark (Chevy Chase): Catherine, if this turkey tastes half as good as it looks, we're all in for a real treat!
Eddie: Save the neck for me, Clark.
Clark: Okay Eddie...

Isn’t that how we all feel about Hawk at times? Okay Hawk…)

The Andy Rooney Side: Andy Rooney is known for the surliest sixty seconds in television when he closes out 60 Minutes. Rooney is always fussing about something stupid like how hard it is to crack nuts with a nutcracker and how messy his desk gets. It’s so tedious and deeply morose that it’s almost impossible to sit through the entire sixty seconds. What’s sad is that Hawk Harrelson will become Andy Rooney for innings on end. When the Sox aren’t playing well, Hawk will shut down. He will talk less and gripe more. Entire half-innings will begin to sound like: "If you’re just joining us, the Sox are not playing good baseball … But Ozzie and Kenny won’t stand for this … This season can go one of two ways … Meanwhile, we head into the 8th trailing 10-2." It’s disenchanting. It’s depressing. It’s an automatic mute. I hate this side of Hawk. Just writing this makes me want to guzzle a bottle of Prozac.

The Jim Ross Side: Jim Ross ("Good Ol’ J.R.") is the longtime play-by-play guy for the WWE. He’s a big southern man with his own line of barbecue sauces and the country twang that you would expect from a guy who sells barbecue sauces. There is little elegant about J.R., in fact, you could argue there is nothing elegant about him. But he is a whole lotta fun to listen to. WWE fans love him for his Gus Johnson-like excitability and his legendary catchphrases. Ross will say things like "Good God Almighty!", "Bah God! What is this?", "The audacity!", "It’s a slobberknocker!", and "Ring the damn bell!", which all come straight out of the Hawk Harrelson School of Broadcasting. Hawk has his own set of (legendary?) phrases: "Mercy!", "Dadgummit", "Yes!", "Cinch it up, hunker down.", "That’s a hang-wiffum.", "Stretch!" and his new personal favorite (Not mine. His.), "You’ve gotta be bleeping me!" There should be a game where you have to guess which phrase is for which sport. I’m guessing people unfamiliar with J.R. and the Hawk would struggle. I mean, does "you couldn't pull a greased tee out of my behind with a pair of pliers" sound like baseball talk to you?

Whenever anybody mentions Buehrle’s perfecto, the first thing that comes to my mind is ""Call your sons! Call your daughters! Call your friends! Call your neighbors! Mark Buehrle has a perfect game going into the ninth!" It was the perfect call for the perfect moment. And there are a bunch of moments where I remember Hawk’s call as well as the play itself.  Once again, it may not be ideal that our baseball commentator resembles a wrestling commentator, but I like this part of Hawk. It is fun to hear things yelled in the midst of the big moment (cf. sex). Except with Harrelson, everyone gets to hear the Hawkasm!

The Glenn Beck Side: Where as Andy Rooney will frustrate and bore the bejesus out of you, Glenn Beck will enrage you. Like many political personalities, Glenn Beck serves up a steady stream of spin and narrow-minded schtick. Beck is, of course, always right in everything he says which stems from his careful inspection of all the views on an issue. Or maybe not. A liberal watching Beck’s show must be similar to an opposing team’s fan watching a White Sox broadcast. Hawk’s one-sided, homer commentary can wear on you after a while.

Jim Margalus said it right, "Hawk makes good times better and bad times worse." This side of Hawk is definitely a case of bad times worse. The Glenn Beck in him starts things with umpires and opposing managers. It’s the egocentric side of Hawk where his supreme knowledge of the game is second to none. It’s the side that sees a fly out by the White Sox as a "he just missed that one" and the same hit from an opponent as a "he pops him up!". I hate this side of Hawk. I’m done with this.

The John Wayne Side: This is the most debatable side of Hawk Harrelson. I was in attendance for Hawk Harrelson Night during his 25th anniversary celebration and one thing became apparent to me; people love The Hawk. It’s hard to understand but it’s true. There is something endearing about him. Maybe it’s his folksy charm? Or his deep passion for the White Sox? Or perhaps the silver comb-over thing on his head? I don’t know. But he is the kind of guy you will tell your children about. No, he’s not your typical broadcaster. He’s far from it. But I guess I like that about him.

My friend’s Dad has a John Wayne action figure in his living room. One day I asked him why he had it. "Because it’s fucking John Wayne," he replied. It makes no sense to me. I’ve seen John Wayne act. Compared to today’s standard he is a farce. But people of his time love him, and I’m guessing most can’t explain why. There is just that something about him. Whatever that something is, it’s strong enough to make a normal functioning adult put an action figure of him in his living room.

Hawk is not the best play-by-play guy in baseball. I know this. You know this. Yet if you were to ask me to trade Hawk for any other broadcaster, I don’t think I could do it. Why? Because he’s fucking Hawk Harrelson.

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by HappyHuman on Aug 7, 2011 11:40 PM CDT reply actions  

This is so spot on
That is to say, trying to sum up how I feel about the Hawk at any given time is as confusing as quantum physics or female genitalia.

"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ

by Shoeless In SC on Aug 7, 2011 11:59 PM CDT reply actions  

so perfect. im going to recommend this to others

you are now required to contribute more.

also, my favorite part (or least favorite, im not sure yet) is when practically every game he says “never in my 45 (50, 60, 70, 80, century, depending on the occasion) years of baseball have I ever seen that before!”

I find it especially amusing because i recall him saying 45(or something like that) years in 2005, and 6 years later hes using 7 decades.

lastly, following nothawk should be mandatory for everyone on twitter

Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk

by blackoutsox on Aug 8, 2011 12:38 AM CDT reply actions  

he says 7 decades

because hes been in professional baseball in 7 different decades ’59-11. though its completely retarded, its not incorrect.

"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza

by BoeJouma on Aug 8, 2011 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

i know.

i find it amusing how he stretches(!) it by making it sound longer than it really is

Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk

by blackoutsox on Aug 8, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

.

So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

by colintj on Aug 8, 2011 1:12 AM CDT reply actions  

Preacher?

Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?

by Chiburb on Aug 8, 2011 6:00 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yup yup.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Aug 8, 2011 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

really really good.

i’m firmly perched with you on the fence.

So, I say this more with admiration than anything else: I love that Kenny Williams went out and acquired the two worst players in the American League so far this year. - Joe Posnanski

by e-gus on Aug 8, 2011 1:33 AM CDT reply actions  

Wow

Tigers fan here. I’ve always hated Hawk and now that I live in Illinois I can’t avoid him when I want to watch the Sox play the Tigers.

But despite that, this is a great piece and made me think about some sides of Hawk I’ve never thought about before. I still dislike him, but maybe next time I’ll force myself to watch and see these other sides of him.

On a related note, what are Sox fans’ general consensus of Ed Farmer? He’s grown on me, too. I just feel like often times the baseball game is the furthest thing from his mind when he’s calling games.

by jhitts08 on Aug 8, 2011 2:02 AM CDT reply actions  

Guess who hit a homer for Anaheim

nope…..nope…….no, not him, either….

sideways smiley face

by TasteeFreeze on Aug 8, 2011 7:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

A lot of people don't like Farmer, but I'm a big fan.

The awkward pauses, the desert dry humor, the weird interactions with DJ, it all cracks me up, but it’s certainly not for everyone.

by Grinder in Training on Aug 8, 2011 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's hard to find the happy medium

If you constantly state the score and situation, you are going to bore and annoy the people that have been listening the whole time. If you don’t do it enough, it’s annoying for the people who come in in the middle.

by joewho112 on Aug 8, 2011 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I too have grown to enjoy Farmer and DJ broadcasts.

I’ve always like Farmer but DJ has been so strange this year that he is growing on me. DJ was horrible with Hawk.

by Rhubarb on Aug 8, 2011 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

This.

I feel like he’s found his perfect medium on radio. He’s just goofy and you can all but picture Farmer just staring at him confused.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Aug 8, 2011 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

not me.

i just don’t much care for farmer. i’m not sure dj is strange. i would call him goofy, and not in a good way. that “work TODOOOOOOO” and “jean pierre”, among other things, are just flat out irritating.

"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck

by BuehrleMan on Aug 8, 2011 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Those two pieces are defintely irritating

I’ve been listening to most of the games the last month on my phone while I bike and whenever it sounds like Farmer is berating or bullying him he has a nice quip or two back. I’ve enjoyed it. Then I get home after an hour or so and turn on the TV and Hawk infuriates me.

by Rhubarb on Aug 8, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

DJ is much better with Farmer. With Hawk, he was always the apprentice sidekick.

With Farmer, he’s a peer, and they have much better rapport. Their banter can be pretty high-level. I don’t agree with the idea Farmer doesn’t “like” him.

by tommyjoepeters on Aug 8, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

i once saw dj do some national work... and he actually wasn't bad.

with hawk he was terrible and this year i am thinking he is a drug addict. very weird.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Aug 8, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

DJ has been forced to complement two strong and unique broadcasting personalities.

He never quite learned how to disagree with Hawk, and when you watch an established analyst like Stone change the subject instead of debating him, coming up with counterpoints must be easier said than done. So DJ became a sidekick.

Farmer, to his credit, invites DJ to debate parts of the game by playing up the pitcher-hitter difference, so he’s actually allowed to showcase his knowledge. He’s far more critical on the radio broadcast, which is great, and I would’ve liked to see that on TV.

Of course, the problem with Farmer is that he comes off as dour and monotonous, so DJ feels compelled to lighten the mood, and ends up taking the broadcast to a lot of dead ends.

But yeah, he’s been fine on national broadcasts. And listening to other crews on Extra Innings, he would fit into just about anybody else’s broadcast. He’s just been given a pair of partners who are a tough match for most people.

Whales! Squids! Sharks! They're everywhere! Hello, I am Poseidon! Now, when people told me I was crazy that thinly sliced roast beef would be a delicious fast-food option, I knew it was the greatest idea, and you can thank me later for Arby's.

by Jim Margalus on Aug 10, 2011 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

This happened in the booth today, in the first inning:

/meow-like cat noise

Farmer: “That wasn’t me, friends.”

If that’s not entertaining, I don’t know what is.

"If you are looking for a good and quick treat, mosey on over to Hardees or KFC." -Jessy S

by Uribe Down on Aug 11, 2011 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I really liked the Farmer and DJ combo the first year

But it wasn’t as fun last year and this year Farmer is clearly sick of DJ (as I suspect most of the White Sox viewership (listenership?) is).

by ObsidianXIII on Aug 8, 2011 1:04 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I guess I just don't see it the same way.

I can’t imagine they dislike each other that much and still work together, something would have been done, it’s not like DJ is irreplaceable. It comes off as joking and friendly ribbing to me. Maybe my friends aren’t as nice as other people’s.

by Grinder in Training on Aug 8, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

i despise dj

whose twinkie knob polishing is worse than hawk and ozzie combined.

by obnoxious american on Aug 8, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

this

Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk

by blackoutsox on Aug 8, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've only listened to Farmer a handful of times

but he and DJ remind me of my friends who host a college radio show. My friends know nobody listens to their show so they just screw around on air, telling inside jokes and grabbing dicks. Only problem is people actually listen to DJ and Farmer.

by pdfitz12 on Aug 8, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well written...may n ot agree on some points, but very valid.

~~looks at my sides~~

I like Andy Rooney

~~runs away and hides in a corner~~

If you chase two rabbits both will escape!

by JofpGallagher on Aug 8, 2011 6:06 AM CDT reply actions  

And who doesn't?

He asks the tough questions and makes you think. Whatever did happen to elevator operators?

by mechanical turk on Aug 8, 2011 6:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

they got fired because they were useless

"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ

by Shoeless In SC on Aug 8, 2011 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Last I was at Symphony Center, they still had elevator operators.

On account of the old elevators, of course. They just have a lever that’s for up and down. The guy who was working last time I went up in it kinda was lazy and missed the floors by like six inches, and didn’t close the gate so we were just standing next to the floors whizzing past. It’s pretty badass, but I don’t think we’ve suffered a loss by automating the system. There’s that awkward conversation like with a cab driver, the question of tipping (I gotta assume no, right?), the delay when he just goes up one floor for that other guy who got off at the wrong place before taking you down, and so on. Seriously dude, just take the stairs. It’s one floor.

by mechanical turk on Aug 8, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I watch 60 Minutes every week

Every five weeks, Andy Rooney will turn in an absolutely beautiful essay about World War 2, or growing old, or relationships, etc. that makes me excuse every piece about shoe polish.

What?! I ain't no Professor Pickles!

by 67WMAQ on Aug 8, 2011 6:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's what happens when you get old.

Have to search through the crap to get to the gold. And there’s more crap as the years add up.

And a very nice piece, fitz. Thank you.

by winningugly on Aug 8, 2011 7:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

who actually pays attn to anything sports announcers say?

i mean, any sport, any announcers, it’s about 90% drivel anyway, right? it’s supposed to be that way.

by ruffster on Aug 8, 2011 6:15 AM CDT reply actions  

Nicely done sir!

Hawk IS a psychitzo! The only side of Hawk I enjoy will be the one that I wax nostalgic about when he is gone. Nice read, right on point!

by Rhubarb on Aug 8, 2011 7:33 AM CDT reply actions  

Well done.

But I’d trade Hawk for Vin Scully in a heart beat.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 8, 2011 8:01 AM CDT reply actions  

Vin is a legend but I would still keep Hawk

Because no one puts in on the board like Hawk does.

I have the pleasure of listening to Bob Uecker on the road. You have no idea whats going on for most of the game, but he has the best baseball stories/jokes ever.

My favorite:
Bob: "You know, everyone thinks its a hard job for a manager to yank a pitcher out of the game. But very little know that back in my day, the skip would ask the catcher if the pitcher had enough gas in the tank. Well here I am filling in for Timmy (McCarver), and I’m catching (Bob) Gibson. It’s the 7th inning, and here comes Red out of the dugout. Now, there is no taking Gibson out of games. Hell, I never went to the mound. Anytime would try he would just glare at me and tell me what the hell I was doing. Well we get to the mound and Red ask’s me how’s Gibson doing. I look at Red and tell em, “I dunno”. He says “You don’t know?” and he yanks me out of the game. Just shows that no one ever took Gibson out of a game…and Hardy pops out to left, that’s a 1-2-3 inning for the Reds as they lead it, 7-0."

Bad karma plus Adam Dunn times Alex Rios divided by Brent Morel’s on-base percentage minus the square root of Juan Pierre = no playoffs.

by slydernelson on Aug 8, 2011 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would trade Hawk for Bob Uecker.

Little Bighorn. Classic small sample size. -Skancho Danza

by keystone connection on Aug 8, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

nice thought

but uecker is nearly 77. otoh, harry caray was 83 when he checked out.

by tommyjoepeters on Aug 8, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

They can do it for one game

Not expecting them to sign him permanantly or for this to actually ever happen

by joewho112 on Aug 8, 2011 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

This would certainly be a best case scenario.

Little Bighorn. Classic small sample size. -Skancho Danza

by keystone connection on Aug 8, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

This should be a poll questions

Better home run call?

“Stretch. You can put it in on the booooooaaaarrrddddd….Yees!

or

“It’s a deep fly, get up, get up, get out of here, GONE!”

Bad karma plus Adam Dunn times Alex Rios divided by Brent Morel’s on-base percentage minus the square root of Juan Pierre = no playoffs.

by slydernelson on Aug 8, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would enjoy hearing...

Hawk call a game with the Cardinals’ Mike Shannon and challenge him to a contest to see who could be more folksy.

by jhitts08 on Aug 8, 2011 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's right, I'm talking to YOU, NED COLLETTI.

We don’t like being lit up, Ned. Or stretched, or eating innings. That’s right, your AAAA pitchers! From now on, you must take good care of your players, because if you don’t, we’ll find out, Ned. We minor leaguers can see eeeeveryyything. So play nice.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 8, 2011 8:37 AM CDT reply actions  

"In all my years in baseball"

I’m an old fart and I want to puke every time I hear that. Young pups be warned: As you get older you will catch yourself repeating most of your Dad’s cliche’s. Ugh – meh.

"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain

by phastphil on Aug 8, 2011 9:10 AM CDT reply actions  

You can say it, I guess, but the problem is he says it about everyone and everything.

It has no meaning after a while.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Aug 8, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

rec'd before i even finished the column.

hilarious and 1000% right. one thing though,

you couldn’t pull a greased tee out of my behind with a pair of pliers

important part of a legendary hawkism, i know.

by obnoxious american on Aug 8, 2011 9:12 AM CDT reply actions  

I think the simplest answer for Hawk's popularity

is that he’s familiar. And that goes a long way in entertainment. Hang around long enough and you become beloved, because you are attached to nostalgia.

He’s awesome/awful. We’re going to miss him bad when he’s gone, but we’ll have his outfield statue and his painting on the wall.

I shant be misled a second time

by Nordhagen on Aug 8, 2011 9:28 AM CDT reply actions  

You should add a poll on here

If people would rather keep Hawk, or see him replaced by somebody else.

by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 8, 2011 9:30 AM CDT reply actions  

I demand a choice in that poll

of having somebody tickle him all game so he hyperventillates.

sideways smiley face

by TasteeFreeze on Aug 8, 2011 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

i bookmarked this because i can't find it anywhere else

Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk

by blackoutsox on Aug 8, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

thats a man who completely lost his shit

i just had to cover my face with my hat because i was giggling to tears at this starbucks. fucking hilarious

"The words "becorned can" just beminded my fuck." - SkanchoDanza

by BoeJouma on Aug 9, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

You know why I like Hawk?

When he’s happy…I’m happy. When he’s pissed, I’m pissed. He’s Hawk…he’s fun, he’s irritating, he’s occasionally insightful, and every now and then he’s full of shit. He’s a personality, and I’m gonna be sad when he hangs it up.

What?! I ain't no Professor Pickles!

by 67WMAQ on Aug 8, 2011 9:49 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

My issue is that when he'd mad he's not entertainly mad

Silence intermittently broken with complaints about the umps is not entertaining.

Give a diatribe. Tell an anecdote. Don’t sit and fester

by joewho112 on Aug 8, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not entertaining when I'm mad either.. and I don't really want to be entertained.

I didn’t want someone to say that it was a nice try if I struck out in baseball, I wanted them to shut up and let me be pissed off.

No different than when I’m watching a game, I don’t really care to hear a joke or a happy voice when I just saw Gavin Floyd get rocked. I’m in a bad mood, Hawk’s in a bad mood, as it should be, misery love company.

by Grinder in Training on Aug 8, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

He doesn't have to be partonizing or a cheerleader when the team is frustrating

But he can give voice to our frustrations. He can articulate what we are feeling.

He can talk about what it’s like as a player stuck in a slump or on a team in a huge slide with every break going against you.

He can do something other than pout

by joewho112 on Aug 8, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

this.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Aug 8, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

nicely done.

for me hawk’s love of the white sox and his catchphrases outweigh his negative qualities. i can easily see how other teams’ fans would despise him though. i don’t know where i’d be today without his catchphrases. they comprise approximately 5% of my vocabulary.

also, i’ve been to albuqurque probably 50 times. it is a godforsaken hellhole. unless you’re rich, then it might not be so bad. unless you get murdered.

"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck

by BuehrleMan on Aug 8, 2011 9:56 AM CDT reply actions  

doing the 'yes!' from 'you can put on the board',

after your friend tells about some unspeakable sexual act performed after a drinking night is always fun.

by obnoxious american on Aug 8, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

After a friend tells a story about something from a long time ago I like to call him Stone Pony.

Something like “That’s right Stone Pony”

3 things in life I care about
Sox, Colts, and Hawks.
Lifetime banners: '05, '07, '10

by Kyle321N on Aug 8, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

hit or miss

the hits are great, such as the ones you ref and several more.

the misses are awful, especially when he indulges himself in his need to leave his voiceprint on with the likes of hangwiffim. and stonepony is ridiculous from a coupla different angles. it was linda ronstadt’s band in the sixties, and what’s with the pony? stone is diminutive, but he’s not that short, and he did win a cy young.

by tommyjoepeters on Aug 8, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

ive been a sox fan as long as i can remember

but when i started watching sox games (like REALLY watching) in 04 i enjoyed hawk. he was new, said some weird shit made me laugh. as the years have gone, so has my enjoyment in listening to him. there are some moments where he truly has shined – mbs perfecto – but other than that, i find no fun in listening to him. this year has been different has i was finally able to move out and get my own place in the winter and you couldnt MAKE me pay for cable (let alone a chicago station package). so for me its ed and dj and they are pulling a reverse hawk on me, insufferable at first, but now im growing to enjoy their shtick. as far as trading hawk for another sportscaster, id go for vin scully in a heartbeat. or that dude that does the rangers play by play. that dude is awesome

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by BoeJouma on Aug 8, 2011 9:57 AM CDT reply actions  

I live in Albuquerque

And just filled up my tank for $3.29 while the sun came up over the Sandia Mountains. Not the best place in the world, but it’s sure not Ohio…

by Shinons* on Aug 8, 2011 10:08 AM CDT reply actions  

well, it's better than las cruces, i'll give it that.

and at least taos and truth or consequences aren’t too far away. also, new mexico has the one thing that is reason enough alone to move there even at the risk of life and limb. green chile.

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by BuehrleMan on Aug 8, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Did you just give up on trying to figure out if you should take a left turn and decide to stay?

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by South Side Expat on Aug 8, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Albuquerque

Come for the left turn, stay for the cheap gas

I shant be misled a second time

by Nordhagen on Aug 8, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great Post...

you say “action figure” i say doll

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by Grinder Rule #42 on Aug 8, 2011 10:54 AM CDT reply actions  

I like the anecdotes that you won't get anywhere else.

No one else I’ve heard talks about the seams on a baseball in the sixties being thick enough to rest your index finger on. Most won’t talk about how first base in the pros isn’t as easy as you might think.

Then again, he often says stuff so wrong that I can feel Stone trying to bite his tongue through the screen. I like the Hawkaroo.

by Daniel Berlyn on Aug 8, 2011 12:17 PM CDT reply actions  

If Hawk has 5 sides

is he a pentagram? Meaning he calls on the Devil?

My mind is blowed.

by winningugly on Aug 8, 2011 1:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Pentagon has five sides

Pentagram has five points. And as anyone who has heard one of Hawk’s stories knows, he rarely has a point.

by joewho112 on Aug 8, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fun stuff, fitz. Thanks!

Why buy the cow when the milk is kinda bitchy?

by SkanchoDanza on Aug 8, 2011 3:26 PM CDT reply actions  

The thing as a Sox fan that I like most about Hawk Harrelson...

…is that every single non-White Sox fan I’ve ever met, and especially those outside of Chicago, absolutely hate him.

by tompope on Aug 8, 2011 5:40 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

And I bet less than 10% of them have ever heard him call a game.

Drop that to zero for people who listened without their team being the opponent.

One of my Phillies fan buddies watches Sox games just for Hawk. Calls him a guilty pleasure. I suspect he’s not as abnormal as he thinks.

by mechanical turk on Aug 8, 2011 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Listening to the Hawkeroo call a Sox game, with all of his nonsense and catch phrases and whining and ump-baiting, is like a giant, defiant middle finger to the rest of the cooler baseball world, who think that every play-by-play announcer should sound like a Syracuse-grad broadcasting robot doing a Vin Scully impression.

by tompope on Aug 8, 2011 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love it when someone hits a deep fly and Hawk just screams .....

“STRRRREETCHHHH!!!!” “STRREETCHHH!!!!” “STRRRREEETTCHHHH”, only to see it being caught 20ft short of the wall. LOL

by XuBrent on Aug 8, 2011 5:44 PM CDT reply actions  

now see, i absolutely hate that.

but then when im at the game i say ‘stretch!’ myself on 90% of flyouts, and laugh because i assume Hawk is saying the same thing when its an obvious can o’ corn.

He's streaky. I heard you the first 100 times. I don't care. Ride or die. -tdogg on c quentin

by e-gus on Aug 8, 2011 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

This, yep.

Hell, I’ll yell stretch on weak grounders to short.

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by Uribe Down on Aug 9, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Harry Caray did that too.

“He hit that one back! Way back! Caaaaught by the second baseman in short center field…”

by Pander on Aug 10, 2011 3:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

"I mean, does "you couldn't pull a greased tee out of my behind with a pair of pliers" sound like baseball talk to you?"

I believe he was commenting on how he felt watching his daughter dive from the 10 meter board for the first time. But everything else you wrote is right on. I often switch to the opposing team cable feed just to get a slightly saner perspective. Listened Joe Garagiola while they were playing the Diamondbacks. He’s still got it. He described Alexei as being “built like a ballpoint pen”. Perfect.

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by fickleflan on Aug 9, 2011 10:06 AM CDT reply actions  

Love the Hawk

He’s made outings with friends more fun. We go golfing and everyone is yelling stretch off the tees. No matter what we do, Yaz would have done it better. And everything can be the best/worst thing you have ever seen in all your years. Embrace his corny catch phrases. Almost every other announcer I listen to on MLB TV is so cookie cutter and boring, I realize just how much I took Hawk for granted when I lived in Chicago.

by justjc on Aug 9, 2011 3:20 PM CDT reply actions  

bob costas?

really? i didn’t care much for him. i thought al michaels did a better job way back in the day. also chris berman is my least favorite of all.

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by KenWo4LiFe on Aug 10, 2011 5:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't think Berman is anywhere near as competant as Hawk or even DJ for that matter

And Joe Morgan is just dull. He added some decent insight when Miller wasn’t over pronouncing everyones names.

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by Kyle321N on Aug 10, 2011 6:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

what exactly is competence for a radio broadcaster?

I would argue that it’s the ability to tell accurately what’s happening on the field. Hawk does a less than stellar job at that. DJ? Get outta here.

What about Bob Brenly? Skip and Chip Caray?

"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ

by Shoeless In SC on Aug 10, 2011 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Huh.

Seems like opinions are pretty wildly differing here. I find Stoney to be a GREAT booth guy, always with good quips and a sense of humor drier than many deserts…

by Pander on Aug 10, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's stifled by Hawk at times.

Like I said earlier, I can sense his analysis running into the brick walls Hawk sets up. I think he’s excellent.

by Daniel Berlyn on Aug 10, 2011 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he's great too. top of the competence axis maybe.

it was the ‘fun’ part I don’t see. he’s not dull, but I have him well under the other band up there. Maybe its hawks fault, and I can’t say I have much of a memory of him with the cubs.

by Trooper on Aug 10, 2011 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

thats the problem. he was part of the cubs team that interrupted my afternoon cartoons.

fuck steve stone. id take wimpy back in a heart beat. i do like him on the score though.

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by KenWo4LiFe on Aug 11, 2011 7:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know if it is just childhood nostalgia or not, but I really like Wimpy

I also hate the Cubs for interupting Dark Wing Duck. If my 10 year old self could see me now, he would be very disappointed that I never became a Dark Winged themed superhero.

by joewho112 on Aug 11, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wasn't Darkwing Duck completely inept as a superhero

He was like a duck version of inspector gadget, always lucking out of trouble.

by justjc on Aug 12, 2011 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think DJ is the only misplaced guy up there

he’s actually a really good play by play guy when he’s given the chance. he’s also on the very wrong side of the dull/fun axis. all he does is have fun

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by BoeJouma on Aug 10, 2011 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

the few times I've heard DJ do PbP he was godawful.

"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ

by Shoeless In SC on Aug 10, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

SSS

;)

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by Kyle321N on Aug 10, 2011 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

one of the wrongest comments i've seen

in a long time. mercy.

"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck

by BuehrleMan on Aug 10, 2011 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

hawk

I like Hawk, but I think he and Wimpy are the best announcing combo the Sox have ever had. They even made blowouts fun to watch. Steve Stone does the best job of explaining what’s happening on the field, but I don’t think any broadcast team had more fun than Hawk & Wimpy. I’m too young to remember Harry & Jimmy, but Hawk and Wimpy are the best combo on Sox games in my lifetime.

by walterfan34 on Aug 10, 2011 11:06 PM CDT reply actions  

yep

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by KenWo4LiFe on Aug 11, 2011 7:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

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