Zach Stewart Is Either Awesome Or Terrible
So this Zach Stewart fella pitched on Saturday and actually looked pretty decent. I've already made at least one Jeff Marquez joke at Stewart's expense, so it's only fair to go back and check if there's anything to like. Seeing as I was internetless on the day in question, it's in fact my first time watching the guy pitch. You'd think maybe I could wait to actually watch the guy before passing judgment. Not how I roll, y'all.
Also, it's not as though I didn't justify my dislike. The pitch f/x data prior to the recent start, his age and his minor league stats were all signs that maybe there really isn't much there. He's turning 25 and hasn't really dominated at any level. There's nothing there that suggests he oozes potential. Really though it's the pitch f/x data that was depressing.
For one, the scouting reports had him as a sinkerballer who could get groundballs in plenitude. But the pfx only really agreed that he had sinker velocity. The big horizontal movement wasn't really there. A few heaters were the legit sinker variety but mostly they were weak imitations. On top of that, he appears to very rarely throw a change up and gets very very few whiffs with his slider. At best, that's a scouting report that reads as a future reliever. Nothing against the guy, but without grounders and/or whiffs it's basically impossible to be a major league pitcher.
So imagine my surprise going back through the box score to see that Stewart induced 16 grounders to just 2 fly balls. Perhaps maybe Don Cooper is already working his magic? Perhaps possibly maybe.
The most notable thing is the velocity bump. Scouting reports from Sickels and others reported his velo in the 91-95 mph range rather than the 88-92 mph he showed in his 3 starts with the Jays. Stewart was a full mph better in this start than his previous three. On top of that, his fastball showed fairly different movement. He threw a lot of true four seamers, including the two he threw to get his two strike outs on the day. In fact all of his heaters showed significantly less horizontal movement than in previous starts. While it might only mean ground balls when he has good location or squares off against bad hitters, this is actually heartening. 92 with a lot of rise helped make Octavio Dotel's career.
The slider on the other hand showed no real improvement. He got dishearteningly few whiffs from it. He didn't throw a change and he broke off two show-me curves. Twins batters consistently either saw the slider out of his hand and laid off or they were able to track it and make contact. Granted, he kept them low in the zone and got a decent number of grounders as a result, but sliders are for strikeouts. Right now he's not much more than a one-pitch pitcher. That's not a recipe for MLB success.
I'm not saying I don't see anything to work with there. I think he's a good athlete, for one. I saw extraneous mechanical flourishes that varied somewhat, but he's coordinated enough to get into a good position to deliver the pitch. He seems to have a feel for changing up the movement on his fastball and goes with what's working. He shows an eagerness to throw strikes and stay around the plate. Definitely not a nibbler. And he wants to move the ball up, down, in and out. These all suggest he's got a sophisticated idea of what it takes to compete in the majors. If he can stay 91-92 with good movement as a starter, that's a decent foundation.
From there though, he needs an off-speed pitch or two. And of course Don Cooper has a long track record teaching the slider/cutter. Danks, Sale, Floyd and Humber can all attest to this. Heck, Coop has even done a pretty decent job with Gavin's change. So it's far from impossible Stewart becomes a legit starter. At this point though, he's mostly just potential until we get some evidence of how his side sessions with Coop are going. So: keep an eye on that slider. See if he starts throwing it up and in on lefties for jam shots. See if he starts getting whiffs from righties. If those start going in a good direction, we may have a real asset going forward.
If on the other hand that extra velocity and different movement was just a young guy feeling the adrenaline and overthrowing his fastball, it may well be the case that his biggest asset is a lack of a giant salary. That's not the worst thing ever.
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Nice Work
I still this think we need to see a few starts from “Hair” before any meaningful analysis can be done. It sure would be nice to get some of that Hudson value back.
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After watching Hudson get blowed up last night
I’m not convinced he had that much value.
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you serious?
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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 9, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
holy fucking god
we could’ve dh’d him
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by blackoutsox on Aug 9, 2011 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
worth about $18.2M so far this season.
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by Shoeless In SC on Aug 9, 2011 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
*looking up map of cliffs
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
f that, colin wrote all this without even seeing him!
i vote AWESOME.
He's streaky. I heard you the first 100 times. I don't care. Ride or die. -tdogg on c quentin
So whats the word? Are they going to keep him in the rotation and continue the 6 man?
2011 WhiteSox Baseball: we're all in
There's some talk about going to a 4-man
to get Buehrle more work, since there’s some off-days coming up.
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hmm alright, so with the exception of an injury we likely wont see another start by Stewart?
2011 WhiteSox Baseball: we're all in
No, actually, I don't know where...
but i read he probably gets another start, and then they take advantage of a couple of off-days with the 4 man.
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after the Royals series
there are 3 offdays in the next 11 days…then the stretch run…so he is probably relegated to the bullpen, barring injury.
Nice recap
I understand Stewart’s pitches are nothing special but I don’t think Humber has anything spectacular either. What do you think Humber does to be successful?
He added a slider for one
Which gives him two offspeed pitches to Stewart’s 1ish. Also his command has been pretty solid. Stewart’s upside is Humberish.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
by colintj on Aug 9, 2011 4:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
i was going to ask you if you could project stewart's upside
that’s kind of suckish, the humberish that is
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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Aug 9, 2011 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
We'll need to watch some more starts
but that’s my preliminary feeling.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
A guy who can pitch ~200 innings with a FIP under 4 is a pretty good upside for someone to have
though it remains to be seen if we can tab Humber as that kind of pitcher.
by Daniel Berlyn on Aug 9, 2011 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
this.
he’s been coming back down to earth lately.
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by Shoeless In SC on Aug 9, 2011 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
League avg ERA is under 4 this year
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
by colintj on Aug 9, 2011 5:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
A league average starter is pretty valuable to the White Sox.
by Daniel Berlyn on Aug 9, 2011 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Of course. Just putting a 4.00 FIP in context.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
by colintj on Aug 9, 2011 6:06 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm too lazy to look up the pitch f/x data to see if this supports my claims
but when I watched Humber pitch, especially in his first few outings for us, I thought his curveball was a true out pitch, almost on par with Gavin’s. Spectacular? Maybe not, but something that can fool a major league hitter even if he’s looking for it. I didn’t see anything like that from Stewart, but the fact that he pounded the zone (much like Humber) was encouraging, even if he doesn’t have that go-to pitch.
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Stewart's pretty interesting
He’s obviously been a top athlete his whole life; he was a reliever in college but had untapped ability the Reds took a flier on in the third round. He only has 375 innings in the Minors and just made his first start at AAA in the last couple weeks. His first full season as a starter in the pros was last year at AA. With over 200 innings in AA but less than 60 at any other level, not to mention being bounced between the pen and the rotation and now his third organization since being drafted in 08, I think it’s possible his mechanics, arsenal and approach have been in flux for years and that he’s been relatively rushed.
When he pitched against the Twins, Stone was talking about a “slip pitch.” While I don’t think it was the kind Stone himself would have thrown in the 1980’s, he did sort of throw a not-quite-a-sinker type of pitch that might be skewing the fastball numbers. It could also be that he was throwing harder than he can maintain(like Clayton Richard) but if he’s sitting 89-91 and touching mid-nineties in big spots, that’s what his scouting reports have suggested, and that’s good enough to start in the AL. He would probably benefit from more definition to his pitches; Fangraphs has him throwing 2% changeups in his 4 starts in the Majors but he definitely changes speeds and grips on his fastball. The pitch f/x I’m seeing (Brooks Baseball) has him throwing two-seam and four-seam fastballs but only four seamers in his one start with the Sox and one or two changes per start. Forgive me if I’m just regurgitating what’s already been said but it does seem like he gets downward movement with his four-seamer that he doesn’t get with his two-seamer. He also has shown variability with his slider that could include a cutter. If he could develop more of a true off-speed pitch it should really make a difference.
His numbers in the minors suggest he’s good at getting ground balls, decent with his control and decent at getting the ball by hitters. I don’t see why, with his stuff, movement and control, there isn’t more there.
by Daniel Berlyn on Aug 9, 2011 4:15 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
i laughed out loud
i think partially colin is retaliating for all the humber jokes
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
nice write-up
but awesome or terrible? seems a little black and white for a guy that’s apt to be average at best.
"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ
stewart is not a man of hyperbole
check your facts, craig
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by Shoeless In SC on Aug 9, 2011 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Also there's the whole Twins-AAAA lineup he faced.
I know you were looking at stuff mostly from pitch f/x, but the results would’ve been maybe far worse had he faced at least a league average lineup.
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Geez
I’m starting to think you are the what if this bad thing happened police. Fellas can this kid have a few more starts with coop before you knuckleheads lay out the rest of his career?
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by Tdogg on Aug 10, 2011 8:22 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
your mouth must be dyed red permanently now
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by Shoeless In SC on Aug 10, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you.
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Two quick things
First, I think the Jays had Stewart at AA instead of AAA after a certain point because their AAA in Vegas is an absurd hitters environment.
Second, and this may show my ignorance of such things, but on a sinker wouldn’t you look for vertical break and not horizontal?
by Pumpkin McPastry on Aug 10, 2011 9:57 AM CDT reply actions
It's both.
Sinkers have big platoon splits because of their horizontal movement. Fastballs with a lot of rise and little run lead to more flyballs and whiffs and relatively little platoon split. Fastballs with a lot of rise and a lot of run don’t do anything especially well. And there’s no such thing as a fastball w/ neither, since that kind of movement is really only doable w/ slider spin.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
by colintj on Aug 10, 2011 11:46 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions

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