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Things I Believe in About as Much as I Believe in Alex Rios

I have more faith in Dagon than I do in this man. (Photo by Jonathan Daniel/Getty Images)

  • Narwhals don't actually exist.  Somewhere along the line a taxidermist got bored and attached a whittled down elephant tusk to an ugly whale.  The fact that museums present these as actual animals amuses me to no end.
  • Shia LaBeouf is a believable and likeable leading man.
  • Dustin Pedroia can dunk a basketball.
  • Kansas is a wonderful state and a great place to live.
  • Professional basketball is fun to watch all the time, not just in the playoffs.
  • The majority of things you learn in elementary school classes is vital to your adult life.
  • Jeff Dunham is hilarious.
  • Millard Fillmore is the most underrated president in American history.

Star-divide

  • Sushi is delicious and a perfectly cromulant way to eat food.
  • The writers of Lost knew what they were doing the whole time.
  • The Office is still the funniest show on TV.
  • Tony La Russa is a fantastic manager and a model human being.
  • Timothy Dalton was the best James Bond.  Sean Connery was the worst.
  • My beloved Fighting Illini will win the Big Ten this year.
  • Colin isn't secretly a girl.
  • Ozzie and Kenny actually have a plan.
  • Jared Mitchell is going to turn it around and become an All-Star level performer in the majors.
  • The Egyptian's had it right all along.  Praise Ra!
  • I am both handsome AND charming.
  • Life was better in the 1930's than it is today.
  • Grunge is making a comeback.
  • Streetlights are operated by tiny monkeys with lanterns.  When the light flashes red, the monkey has gotten drunk.
  • People will enjoy this article.
  • Taylor Swift is a musical genius.  Tom Waits, not so much.
  • This article is more analysis than satire.  I have a clear understanding of categories.
  • Riding a bike to class in jeans in 104 degree heat is a great idea.  The sweat is just wrong answers leaving the body.
  • Vet school has had no effect on my sanity/well-being.
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    Vet school isn't your problem.

    WSB is.

    To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
    -James Murdoch

    by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 1, 2011 12:38 PM CDT reply actions  

    Things I learned from this post:

    1. Shia LeBouf is a male. (Always assumed female from the name.)
    2. That there’s something called Narwhals.

    Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?

    by Chiburb on Sep 1, 2011 1:00 PM CDT reply actions  

    Did you really just pick that nit?

    "That might be how you roll at Camp Anawanna, Budnick. But where I come from, we only salute Old Glory." -moroots on May 23rd

    by South Side Expat on Sep 1, 2011 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

    that is impressive.

    imagine not knowing who john mcclane was, troop! shame on you! shaaaaame!

    by craigws on Sep 1, 2011 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

    why?

    So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

    by colintj on Sep 1, 2011 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

    so where's the rec?

    So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

    by colintj on Sep 1, 2011 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

    Next to la beouf.

    The policeman who jumps from a bridge to a plane is Detective John McClane, a.k.a. Bruce Willis. He’s just the star of the whole movie series and stuff, no big deal or anything. -Cruiser

    by Uribe Down on Sep 1, 2011 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

    Exactly.

    The policeman who jumps from a bridge to a plane is Detective John McClane, a.k.a. Bruce Willis. He’s just the star of the whole movie series and stuff, no big deal or anything. -Cruiser

    by Uribe Down on Sep 2, 2011 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

    I fucking love this.

    boom. pot roast. leftovers? -keystone connection

    by Uribe Down on Sep 1, 2011 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

    underrated

    Easy chief
    We’re a community - Tdogg

    by Jack M on Sep 1, 2011 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

    We get you.

    It just sucks. ;)

    "MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

    by winningugly on Sep 2, 2011 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

    There is certainly a good case to be made for the theory that Shia LeBeouf Ruins Everything

    Although his films have made a lot of money, which is why Hollywood keeps putting him in movies. They’re all crap, but certain crap seems to be box office gold.

    by Yinka Double Dare on Sep 1, 2011 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

    On a serious note, can we all agree that Andrew Jackson was the most overrated president?

    How the hell does the guy that causes the Trail of Tears get his face on the twenty?

    by joewho112 on Sep 1, 2011 1:32 PM CDT reply actions  

    by winning the battle of new orleans after the war is over

    brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight

    by whitesoxmatt on Sep 1, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

    He destroyed the National Bank and won the Battle of New Orleans.

    "Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

    by U-God on Sep 1, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

    I know this.

    But things like that tend to get remembered. Jefferson wasn’t president when he wrote the Declaration.

    "Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

    by U-God on Sep 1, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

    Indifferent.

    "Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

    by U-God on Sep 1, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

    He was the major general in charge of american forces at the battle of new orleans

    so he actually was a little more hands on in the outcome than some president might be

    "Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."

    by boyonthedock on Sep 1, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

    My point is as president, he sucked

    He committed ethnic cleansing and supported slavery.

    Also when the Supreme Court ruled against forceably removing the Cherokees from Georgia he flagrantly violated our basic system of checks and balances by defying the order.

    by joewho112 on Sep 1, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

    If I'd known a one-off joke about Millard Fillmore would have caused all of this

    I would have become a watchmaker.

    "Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

    by U-God on Sep 1, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

    But really

    Who Watches the Watchmakers?

    Furious George! What happened to your beautiful face?!?

    by AirTrafficAJ on Sep 2, 2011 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

    really now.

    i don’t know why anyone would have elected a president in the early 1800s if he didn’t commit some ethnic cleansing and enslave a few members of an “inferior” race.

    by larry on Sep 1, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

    its just a shame

    kids today, they don’t understand. every movie set before like 1960 makes it obvious who the bad guys are because they are racist and kill some indians. they just need to make a movie where the hero is era appropriate racist, and doesn’t learn its wrong by the end.

    "Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."

    by boyonthedock on Sep 1, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

    teddy roosevelt should be on some money

    that mountain just aint enough

    "Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."

    by boyonthedock on Sep 1, 2011 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

    How did William McKinley get on the $500 before Teddy?

    I guess winning the Spanish American War and getting assassinated makes everyone forget your terrible tariff bill that’s named after you

    by joewho112 on Sep 1, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

    TR's giant teeth

    likely scared away children and the faint of heart

    by notoneyguillen on Sep 1, 2011 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

    He threw a huge rager when he was inaugurated and let everyone in

    Didn’t even charge for the cups.

    The celebration lasted well into the night at the White House, where Presidential servants had to carry ice cream and tubs of wine onto the lawn to attract people out of the mansion.

    http://www.sparknotes.com/biography/jackson/section8.rhtml

    by 815Sox on Sep 1, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

    He'd probably hate the fact that he's on the 20, too.

    To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
    -James Murdoch

    by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 1, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

    Nah

    Jackson wouldn’t give a fuck

    by notoneyguillen on Sep 1, 2011 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

    hee

    "Don Cooper, to the O.R! We have a bleeder!" - SkanchoDanza

    by homesickalien on Sep 1, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

    iseewhatyoudidthere.

    "That might be how you roll at Camp Anawanna, Budnick. But where I come from, we only salute Old Glory." -moroots on May 23rd

    by South Side Expat on Sep 1, 2011 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

    i do not understand

    someone explain to me

    "Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."

    by boyonthedock on Sep 1, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

    nevermind

    i just took a closer, soberer look at that washington crossing the delaware shop job. just realized it was ME as washington. that was some spectacular shopping. my navy t shirt was appropriate

    "Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."

    by boyonthedock on Sep 1, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

    greengo!

    "Don Cooper, to the O.R! We have a bleeder!" - SkanchoDanza

    by homesickalien on Sep 1, 2011 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

    I believe you have a career ahead of you in politics.

    "MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

    by winningugly on Sep 1, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

    democracy is overrated

    "Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

    by Tdogg on Sep 1, 2011 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

    smart ass

    :-) Your turn

    "Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

    by Tdogg on Sep 1, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

    What else you got?

    "MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

    by winningugly on Sep 1, 2011 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

    well I know everyone uses democracy and republic interchangable

    They shouldn’t.

    "Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

    by Tdogg on Sep 1, 2011 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

    if we're not there yet, we will be

    politicians love to get votes by being the ones to enable us to vote for more crap. isn’t that what Tocqueville was on about?

    So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

    by colintj on Sep 1, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

    well he was a pretty forward thinking dude

    "Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

    by Tdogg on Sep 1, 2011 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

    A republic is a form of representative democracy

    that’s either a red herring or a strawman. Don’t care which.

    sideways smiley face

    by TasteeFreeze on Sep 1, 2011 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

    Everyone knows Communism was just a red herring.

    "That might be how you roll at Camp Anawanna, Budnick. But where I come from, we only salute Old Glory." -moroots on May 23rd

    by South Side Expat on Sep 1, 2011 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

    It is? Wow really????

    :-)

    "Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

    by Tdogg on Sep 1, 2011 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

    I don't trust you devils

    with true democracy!

    "Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

    by Tdogg on Sep 1, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

    Show me the mule?

    Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?

    by Chiburb on Sep 1, 2011 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

    White devils.

    I know it’s implied. This is for the children. Dasox13 and such. The white children.

    "MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

    by winningugly on Sep 1, 2011 5:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

    Overrated president

    maybe… Underrated badass though. Outside of the whole “man of his times” thing, on a personal level, you wouldn’t want to fuck with him.

    by notoneyguillen on Sep 1, 2011 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

    I would agree

    But it would be closer than you think… unless biting was allowed. Then it would be TR.

    by notoneyguillen on Sep 1, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

    a presidential battle royal. i like it.

    everybody would team up on Taft to throw him out like they would andre the giant.

    1st one eliminated? gerald ford. he’d climb the top rope and fall backwards.

    Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

    by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 1, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

    Taft

    That fat fuck was stuck in a bathtub

    by notoneyguillen on Sep 1, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

    No, and it was epic.

    "Don Cooper, to the O.R! We have a bleeder!" - SkanchoDanza

    by homesickalien on Sep 1, 2011 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

    if you liked this, you'll love my fanpost!

    on the right rail right now!

    "Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."

    by boyonthedock on Sep 1, 2011 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

    I'm partial to Herbert "Hard Times" Hoover.

    boom. pot roast. leftovers? -keystone connection

    by Uribe Down on Sep 1, 2011 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

    Totally

    Which 5 presidents would you bet on making it the longest in a Royal Rumble style fight?

    by joewho112 on Sep 1, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

    Nixon

    He wasn’t “Tricky Dick” for nothing

    by notoneyguillen on Sep 1, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

    If we assume they are all in their physical prime (i.e. age 20 to 35), I go with

    1. Teddy
    2. Washington
    3. Grant
    4. Jackson
    5. Carter (because he would be in a nuclear submarine)

    by joewho112 on Sep 1, 2011 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

    And

    how.

    "Don Cooper, to the O.R! We have a bleeder!" - SkanchoDanza

    by homesickalien on Sep 1, 2011 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

    fatal weakness to arts

    Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk

    by blackoutsox on Sep 1, 2011 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

    (did you watch the link?)

    "Don Cooper, to the O.R! We have a bleeder!" - SkanchoDanza

    by homesickalien on Sep 1, 2011 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

    i clicked on it right after my comment

    Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk

    by blackoutsox on Sep 1, 2011 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

    hahaha that was great

    Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk

    by blackoutsox on Sep 1, 2011 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

    Yeah it is!

    "Don Cooper, to the O.R! We have a bleeder!" - SkanchoDanza

    by homesickalien on Sep 1, 2011 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

    fucker threw railroad ties around

    Lincoln was a frontiersman for a while. Grant came up through the ranks of the army.

    sideways smiley face

    by TasteeFreeze on Sep 1, 2011 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

    Lincoln was THE badass.

    Anyone who is strong enough to stay married through a depressive wife’s illness, deal with the secession of the South, and end slavery deserves to have his head blown off. It was a mercy killing, fer Chrissakes.

    I vote Lincoln #1 badass.

    "MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

    by winningugly on Sep 2, 2011 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

    Skinny guys fight till they're burger.

    Little Bighorn. Classic small sample size. -Skancho Danza

    by keystone connection on Sep 2, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

    they get to pick the best year of their presidency for their level of physical fitness

    sorry, FDR, your shit out of luck

    "Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."

    by boyonthedock on Sep 1, 2011 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

    Teddy- For obvious reasons

    Hoover- In my opinion, if you can ignore thousands of people living in make shift homes called “Hoovervilles” you can kick some ass

    Calvin Coolidge- They didn’t say “Stay Cool with Coolidge” because he would murder competition and lock them in his freezer. He drank the hearts of enemies to make him stronger

    Andrew Johnson- Sir Veto. If you can fuck that much shit up with less than 3 years, you can knock out some bitches.

    Grover Cleveland- Mustache.

    by notoneyguillen on Sep 1, 2011 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

    TR is totally the 1A face of this whole venture.

    Faces:
    Railsplitter Lincoln
    George “The Cherry Tree” Washington
    Buck Stoppin’ Truman
    Silent Cal coolidge

    Heels:
    Old Hickory
    tricky dick
    “Gorgeous” George w bush
    Grover “The Cleveland Steamer” Alexander

    "Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."

    by boyonthedock on Sep 1, 2011 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

    who was the guy who said "you lose?"

    to the woman who said “I bet i can get you to say 3 or more words”

    he should have said “fuck you” instead

    Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk

    by blackoutsox on Sep 1, 2011 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

    silent cal

    duh

    Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk

    by blackoutsox on Sep 1, 2011 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

    jfk ought to be in there.

    swam a guy to safety in world war two by biting onto his life jacket strap and swimming for four hours straight.

    by craigws on Sep 1, 2011 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

    Didn't have to stand.

    And bedded Marilyn Monroe, who rode him for all she was worth. Think of the pain he had to endure doing that.

    But he’s not top 5.

    "MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

    by winningugly on Sep 2, 2011 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

    Teddy

    Reagan
    Washington
    Grant
    Jackson
    Eisenhower

    Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

    by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 1, 2011 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

    Barack "The Flyin' Hawaiian" Obama

    has definitely got to make it to the final six. throw grants drunk ass out of there

    "Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."

    by boyonthedock on Sep 1, 2011 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

    against all those racists?

    no chance.

    I live in a simpler place. I speak the language. ~ U-God

    by e-gus on Sep 1, 2011 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

    true, but pretty much any modern president would rush to side

    so as not to seem racist. they all want some of that lincoln goodwill

    "Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."

    by boyonthedock on Sep 1, 2011 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

    I think you mean Presidential Rolling Throne.

    Whales! Squids! Sharks! They're everywhere! Hello, I am Poseidon! Now, when people told me I was crazy that thinly sliced roast beef would be a delicious fast-food option, I knew it was the greatest idea, and you can thank me later for Arby's.

    by Jim Margalus on Sep 1, 2011 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

    ok thats it

    I’m taking this to the right rail

    I am having way too much fun with this for it to die in a midday thread

    "Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."

    by boyonthedock on Sep 1, 2011 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

    make a presidential bracket for us to fill out

    Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk

    by blackoutsox on Sep 1, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

    just put up a fanpost with the competitors

    bracket or a poll next, depends if anyone cares

    "Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."

    by boyonthedock on Sep 1, 2011 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

    jackson was a huge badass

    1) told John C Calhoun that if he tried to secede he would go down and hang him on the first tree he sees
    2) When the Court went against his bank destruction he said, “John Marshall made his decision, now let him enforce it!”
    3) He nearly burned down the White House with his parties
    4) He was in a few duels, one of which he let the other guy shoot first, got hit, and made the other guy stand there and wait while Jackson aimed and shot him.
    Teddy v. Jackson would be the best presidential fight to watch.

    boxcars boxcars boxcars

    by soxshenanigans on Sep 2, 2011 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

    He shut down the equivalent of the Fed

    and caused a depression that got William Henry Harrison elected in 1840. He was a hothead.

    And I’ve been to the Hermitage. No biggie.

    sideways smiley face

    by TasteeFreeze on Sep 1, 2011 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

    "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me

    than a frontal Lobotomy." Tom Waits on Martin Mull’s “Fernwood Tonight” 1977
    One of the best quotes ever.

    "Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain

    by phastphil on Sep 1, 2011 2:55 PM CDT reply actions  

    Every now and then I try to do his voice while singing along to his songs.

    I just sound ridiculous.

    "Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

    by U-God on Sep 1, 2011 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

    you have company

    waits sounds ridiculous doing his own voice

    It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
    by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT

    by rhythm on Sep 1, 2011 8:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

    109 degrees now.

    Damn you Kansas. Damn you.

    "Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

    by U-God on Sep 1, 2011 3:09 PM CDT reply actions  

    but the dew point there is only 50. it's a dry heat. quit being such a baby.

    97 here with a 67 dew point.

    "michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck

    by BuehrleMan on Sep 1, 2011 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

    Dry heat is still heat.

    I riding a goddamn bike in it.

    "Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

    by U-God on Sep 1, 2011 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

    Businesses manufacture products.

    Sometimes those products do not come out as intended. In fact, they may not even be fit for consumption. That creates a dilemma for the businessperson. What to do with the bad product?

    Good businesspeople understand the best move is to eat the loss they caused themselves and move on. Poor businesspeople try to pawn their garbage off on their customers. It is incredibly short-sighted. While they may save pennies, they are costing themselves dollars in the long run.

    That brings us to White Sox, Inc. They manufactured a product – the 2011 team. It was very quickly apparent their product was garbage. Nonetheless, rather than scrap it and try their best to provide their customers with a quality product, they endeavored to sell their garbage to their customers instead. In fact, when the customers didn’t buy it, the owner came out and scolded the customers for not buying his garbage from him.

    Now Jerry is loaded with garbage out of which to build next year’s product. Is he going to try to sell us his garbage again or is he going to eat the losses his people caused him and bring in some new raw materials for next year?

    by stanfordron on Sep 1, 2011 4:41 PM CDT reply actions  

    Your analogy has a problem.

    You use the whole team as the product. That’s wrong.

    "Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

    by Tdogg on Sep 1, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

    But I thought rejecting the product via time/money was unfanlike. So your whole premise sucks. We wait hopefully for the next product.

    Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?

    by Chiburb on Sep 1, 2011 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

    And a stretch to begin with.

    Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?

    by Chiburb on Sep 1, 2011 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

    Dalton was a boring disgrace as Bond

    Sean is the smooth king
    Craig is bad ass.

    "Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

    by Tdogg on Sep 1, 2011 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

    Agreed

    Though disgrace seems harsh. Random Bond thought: I think Brosnan is an underrated actor but he wasn’t a good Bond.

    by hitlesswonder on Sep 1, 2011 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

    This.

    Good actor, shitty bond.

    "Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

    by U-God on Sep 1, 2011 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

    Goldeneye and Tomorrow Never Dies are legit as hell

    Craig is probably better, but even with Connery there’s always been a significant element of camp to the whole thing. Brosnan played that line pretty well imo.

    So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

    by colintj on Sep 1, 2011 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

    goldeneye is one of the better ones.

    from russia with love is my favourite. no gadgets, just connery enjoying a gypsy bitch fight. why can’t all movies be like that?
    also, whilst i like craig (obviously), his bond is clearly seen via the prism of bourne.

    by craigws on Sep 2, 2011 2:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

    yeah

    craig is very much a different kind of bond than in the past. serious lack of camp. takes from some of the charm.

    So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

    by colintj on Sep 2, 2011 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

    I've heard that Craig is them trying to move

    closer to Fleming’s vision. But I have no real idea there.

    So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

    by colintj on Sep 2, 2011 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

    Roger Moore was bad ass

    his bond seemed just as evil as the villains and he was easily the most creepy in the sack.

    by Rhubarb on Sep 2, 2011 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

    i enjoy live and let die (though that may be partly because the song is awesome),

    but the rest of them are fucking awful. they would always be the ones shown when i was a kid though.

    by craigws on Sep 2, 2011 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

    The Man With the Golden Gun has its moments.

    But yeah, other than Live and Let Die the Moore films are pretty bad. I didn’t like Brosnan’s because they were pretty much Michael Bay films. Oooh! Pretty explosions! We may have won the Cold War, but it hurt the Bond franchise to do so.

    "Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

    by U-God on Sep 2, 2011 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

    This.

    "MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

    by winningugly on Sep 2, 2011 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

    Odd Job is in Goldfinger.

    You’re thinking of Nik-Nak. And yes, Christopher Lee is the fucking man.

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    by U-God on Sep 2, 2011 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

    Come on, craig.

    Check your facts.

    "MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

    by winningugly on Sep 2, 2011 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

    Moonraker and the Spy Who Loved Me were dope.

    I liked Sean Connery better too but I can’t say a bad thing about Roger Moore (A View to A Kill because he was 60 and that lacks believability)

    by Rhubarb on Sep 2, 2011 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

    A google search of Timothy Dalton brought someone to this article.

    I love my hobby.

    "Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

    by U-God on Sep 2, 2011 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

    I'm disappointed, probably more disheartened

    that you lumped in the Illini’s Big Ten title chances with your lack of belief in Rios. BUCK UP SON!

    Easy chief
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    by Jack M on Sep 1, 2011 10:31 PM CDT reply actions  

    it's never happening under Zook because he's a bad coach, is the consensus.

    he had his big recruiting classes in ‘07-’09. they’re juniors and seniors or graduated now. if nothing happens, it’s not going to.

    So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

    by colintj on Sep 1, 2011 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

    i have no idea what they sound like

    but in my experience coachspeak is the worst. they’re so practiced in it and then they become announcers or color analysts and they never drop the charade. it’s the worst.

    So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

    by colintj on Sep 1, 2011 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

    they sound like Svengoolie characters

    i’d kill for coachspeak

    PROMOTE GREG WALKER!

    by billyok on Sep 1, 2011 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

    Enjoy Brady Hoke.

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    by U-God on Sep 2, 2011 6:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

    i've already come around on Hoke

    have you seen our recruiting class? or Greg Mattison? i’m still skeptical re: Borges and Denard, but if Borges is an average OC and Mattison is a great DC, we’re better off than under Rich.

    So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

    by colintj on Sep 2, 2011 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

    petrino and koenning say hi

    Easy chief
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    by Jack M on Sep 2, 2011 6:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

    This.

    Zook may not be great, but he at least admitted his faults by hiring damn fine coordinators.

    "Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

    by U-God on Sep 2, 2011 7:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

    you mean he saved his job

    by firing his guys and being forced to pick dudes from outside his coaching tree? and apparently that recruiting bonanza went from ‘06-’09. he’s burned two years now having done basically nothing with them. and again, he was already at Florida where exactly this happened except the quality of his recruits was better.

    if he’s nothing but a glorified recruiting coordinator, maybe that pays off. but his track record blows and the rest of college football has no problem at least acknowledging that.

    So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

    by colintj on Sep 2, 2011 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

    he's recruited pretty well

    all things considered. we’ve lost some recruits to crime / academic things, and his classes don’t rank on rivals or whatever, but we’re at a pretty good place depth wise. we are churning out NFL players.

    Easy chief
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    by Jack M on Sep 2, 2011 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

    he has recruited well

    his ’10 class was meh and the ’11 class is so far the worst in the B10:

    http://mgoblog.com/diaries/big-ten-recruiting-class-rankings-8-28-11

    So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

    by colintj on Sep 2, 2011 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

    Recruiting has never been his issue.

    Coaching his talent has been the issue. His recruiting class won the national championship under Meyer.

    "MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

    by winningugly on Sep 2, 2011 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

    Which is why I'm happy we finally got competent coordinators.

    Let Zook be a figurehead in the JoePa mold (not comparing the coaching talent, but you’re lying to yourself if you think JoePa is actually still doing anything more than recruiting and walking up and down the sidelines in State College).

    "Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

    by U-God on Sep 2, 2011 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

    and it hasn't been his issue

    but that’s what having a 3 win season will do for you. trust me on that one.

    So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

    by colintj on Sep 2, 2011 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

    It's early enough yet.

    If memory serves me right, he usually doesn’t turn it on recruiting-wise til mid-season. He needs to recruit Chicagoland better.

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    by U-God on Sep 2, 2011 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

    it's not early anymore

    M is basically done recruiting. the only guys we’re waiting on are 4/5 star guys at positions where we’ve already got a 4 star of some kind lined up this year.

    seriously, look at that. dead last. 5 fewer recruits than average. average star rating in the big10+ND is 2.88 on Rivals. UofI’s at 2.13. that is a seriously worrisome trend.

    and yeah, re: chicago. IL is the biggest state for recruits in the B10 sphere of influence, mostly thanks to chicago:

    http://dataomaha.com/big-ten/

    the problem is, i think, that the quality of coaching where the best athletes come from is shite.

    So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

    by colintj on Sep 2, 2011 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

    indeed.

    ‘11 class lost 4 key pieces, 3 DT’s and a safety, that didn’t make it to campus, which dragged the rating down. verdict is still out, though.

    coincidentally, D-Line, specifically DT, is one of our thinnest areas.

    Easy chief
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    by Jack M on Sep 2, 2011 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

    oops

    i meant the ‘12 class. didn’t know that about ’11. so it goes meh, bad, looking awful for ’10, ’11 and ’12?

    So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

    by colintj on Sep 2, 2011 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

    koenning gave up more points in regulation to M

    than UMass and Indiana. only BGSU gave up more. neither of those teams had 3 NFL picks on that side of the ball. in fact, of teams M played, only Iowa and OSU had more NFL talent. i guess he was good at Clemson, but there was nothing special about what he did last year.

    So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

    by colintj on Sep 2, 2011 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

    That same defense that was torched by Michigan

    held Ohio St to 24 and only allowed more than 27 points twice all season.

    The team went from giving up 30.2 points per game to giving up 24.3. They went from giving up 403.3 yards per game to giving up 344.2. Yeah, the defense shit the bed against Michigan somehow, but to act like Koenning didn’t help improve a shitty defense is a piss poor argument.

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    by U-God on Sep 2, 2011 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

    that's not really what i argued, is it?

    my claim is that his talent was superior and that what he got out of that talent wasn’t anything spectacular. considering the ‘09 D had 0 draft picks to the ’10’s 3, should we be especially surprised? he was middle of the pack in the Big Ten in yards per play, which is the more meaningful metric if you’re gonna go there. FEI likes them pretty well, so there’s that. i don’t know what the error margin on any of these stats are. meanwhile, you don’t get to throw out the M game like it didn’t happen.

    i would also be interested in why illinois fans are so incredibly touchy and weird about their ho-hum football program? is this what years of no one else in the big 10 caring one way or the other about you creates?

    So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

    by colintj on Sep 2, 2011 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

    to your second point

    i think its years of frustration of not being a regulary dominant football program. there should be no reason why we can’t be as good as wisconsin, etc. imo.

    you really view us as incredibly touchy? i’m not sure i’d go that far, i’d say we’re just as touchy as UM or tOSU or any other B1G school.

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    by Jack M on Sep 2, 2011 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

    I wasn't just throwing out the Michigan game.

    I would have different stats for points and yards per game if I did that.

    Touchy and weird seems a bit much. We defend our team, the same as Michigan and OSU fans. I’m not saying we’re going to win the division, but 8-4 is what I expect and nothing to sneeze at. Gotta start somewhere.

    "Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

    by U-God on Sep 2, 2011 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

    8-4 looks like a good expectation:

    http://mgoblog.com/diaries/projecting-big-ten

    but yeah, i’ve been to one illinois football game and it was a bizarre experience. you guys were all very michigan state with a lean toward ohio state and i was expecting, like, iowa or wisconsin. decidedly over-defensive and angry. chip on the shoulder to say the least. obviously i have a good number of friends who went to UofI and they’re perfectly rational right up until football is mentioned. then don’t you dare talk shit about them. it’s very weird.

    meanwhile i don’t think i’ve had a post on here about M football that isn’t either wary of doom or whining about doom having befallen us once again. this has been the state of things pretty much since just after Tressel arrived.

    So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

    by colintj on Sep 2, 2011 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

    It's one of those things where you get tired of other fanbases essentially going "LOL! ZOOK! HE LIKES TO WATERSKI!".

    It feels lazy and it gets incredibly annoying hearing it all the time, especially when Zook beats the other teams. And then if we get off to a hot start, we have to hear that “Oh, well they haven’t played anyone yet” while we watch the rest of the conference play no one worth a damn and get heaped with praise. When you have to constantly hear how great Persa and Fitzgerald are when they go 5-0 against the likes of Vandy, CMU, Illinois St, Minnesota, and Rice. When your team is never given the benefit of the doubt, something you haven’t really had to go through as a Wolverine fan (despite recent history, they get a pass as a blue blood), you start to get a little pissed when you have to defend your team.

    "Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

    by U-God on Sep 2, 2011 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

    that's what you get for hiring Zook

    it’s not lazy. there’s a reason he was canned. he’s [NAME REDACTED] at EDSBS for a reason. it was a stupid hire. and given that he’s been demoted to glorified recruiting assistant, it looks like your AD finally gets the picture on that one. meanwhile, the trend in recruiting has gone seemingly downhill, likely as a result of the 3-9 season. so what exactly is Zook bringing to the table at this point? how long before either Koenning or Petrino rightfully has his job?

    meanwhile NW should get the benefit of the doubt. they have significantly outperformed their recruiting since Randy Walker came to town. Fitzgerald has added to that and used the phrase “pimp walk” in an interview.

    So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

    by colintj on Sep 2, 2011 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

    Former AD.

    Gunther is gone. Zook will be too without a bowl win.

    "Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

    by U-God on Sep 2, 2011 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

    case in point?

    So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

    by colintj on Sep 2, 2011 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

    And Zook never had a chance at Florida.

    FireRonZook.com was created the day after he was hired on. Anyone who came to Illinois at the time he was brought on was fucked. They weren’t going to get a top notch coach to come to the program that had won 4 games over the previous two seasons. Having a different offensive coordinator three years in a row doesn’t help recruiting too much either. If they put up an 8-4 season this year and get a nice bowl win, the recruiting class comes back.

    "Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

    by U-God on Sep 2, 2011 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

    oh come on.

    while Spurrier was HC, they won 82% of their games. and it’s not like he went crashing downhill at the end. from ‘98-’01, Florida won 78% of its games. from ‘02-’04 they won just over 60%. from ‘05-’11, they won 81%. which of these things is not like the other?

    Zook cost them 2 wins per season.

    by the way, from 1990-2004, Illinois won 43% of their games. from 2005-2010, they’ve won 38%.

    if Hoke bombs, i’m not gonna defend the guy. but i watched our Spring Game and whatever his talent, Mattison clearly gets scheme. i will go on for days about fire zones if you want. i blame RR for his crap defense. why are you holding out for Ron Zook? if he manages to make the transition from Turner to Koenning a fairly unpainful event, that’s nice but how much is that really worth?

    So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

    by colintj on Sep 2, 2011 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

    Sure he did.

    They didn’t win. Was he having difficulty following a legend? Sure. Did it inhibit his recruiting and ability to marshal talent? No. Any rings that mattered? No.

    Just win, baby. He didn’t. And was too sensitive to the critique.

    "MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

    by winningugly on Sep 2, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

    take out '05

    and Zook’s WP is 42%. leave ’05 and add 9-4 gets you to 43.5%. let him go out on top and let Koenning take over.

    So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

    by colintj on Sep 2, 2011 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

    I feel like we're more likely to lose Petrino with a successful season than Vic.

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    by U-God on Sep 2, 2011 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

    i was saying let Vic take the HC job?

    So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

    by colintj on Sep 2, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

    I know.

    But if the difference between keeping Petrino is naming him HC or not, I’d rather give him the nod than Vic.

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    by U-God on Sep 2, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

    oh gotcha

    really? Petrinos are bleh imo.

    So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

    by colintj on Sep 2, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

    Scheelhaase loves him and we had a monster offense with him last year.

    After watching Locksley and Schultz attempt to ru(i)n our offenses over the past few seasons, it’s a damn fine change.

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    by U-God on Sep 2, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

    6th in the B10 in yards per play?

    2010: 5.7 (6th)
    2009: 5.7 (4th)
    2008: 6.2 (2nd)
    2007: 6.0 (1st)

    FEI much prefers the Illini defense to its offense in 2010. 23rd vs. 55th.

    if Petrino’s bread and butter is anything like his brother’s, his focus is all about presenting 4 vertical threats, not read option.

    So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

    by colintj on Sep 2, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

    yeah, i'm at 8-4 too

    and i’d certainly be happy with that. agree with those projections, though i’m not as high on penn state as everybody else seems to be.

    Easy chief
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    by Jack M on Sep 2, 2011 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

    But they're Penn State! Surely they can't be an average team!

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    by U-God on Sep 2, 2011 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

    walk on at QB = you're fucked

    unless you’re playing GERG’s D. then you can score 41 pts.

    if you watch McGloin play this year, watch how unless it’s vanilla C3 he’ll have no idea what the fuck to do. unless their run game is amazing, they’re totally boned. he’s so so bad.

    So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

    by colintj on Sep 2, 2011 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

    It was sarcasm Colin.

    We beat them in State College last year. I know they’re going to be bad.

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    by U-God on Sep 2, 2011 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

    i know

    that’s me agreeing.

    So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

    by colintj on Sep 2, 2011 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

    see what i mean?

    So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

    by colintj on Sep 2, 2011 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

    that young back they have is pretty awesome though

    forget his name, but his running style reminds me of walter payton. not saying he’s that good, but damn. Silas Redd? is that it? what an awesome name.

    So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

    by colintj on Sep 2, 2011 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

    Also, Northwestern at 4-8?

    What? I hate NW, but that seems a bit extreme.

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    by U-God on Sep 2, 2011 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

    it's math.

    you can read the methodology. it’s solid. he’s got his own version of FEI which goes back to like ‘05? maybe not that far back. so he runs projections with a regression term (though i’m not sure if he derived it empirically…i asked and got no answer. he seems touchy on that subject. the regression component is new for this season and i swear it’s because i’ve been badgering him about it for all of last season), weighted for past performance and recruiting success. that’s what we would want in a simple projection system no? i’m sure NW gets banged hard on the recruiting aspect.

    So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

    by colintj on Sep 2, 2011 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

    and dominated Baylor.

    depth issues caught up to them in the Michigan game. plus, and this goes to both sides of the ball, the continuity of system due to not changing coordiantors is going to be huggeeee for both units. depth is better in most places as well.

    i’m hesitant to get too optimisitc due to ’08, obvs.

    Easy chief
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    by Jack M on Sep 2, 2011 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

    i'm wary of continuity arguments

    since GERG and Pals totally shit the bed. ugggghhhh.

    So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

    by colintj on Sep 2, 2011 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

    See Florida, University of.

    "MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

    by winningugly on Sep 2, 2011 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

    I just labored through Barry Larkin trying to explain WAR on Baseball Tonight

    He makes Emmitt Smith seem competent. My head almost exploded

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    by Duck99 on Sep 1, 2011 11:51 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

    at least they're trying?

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    by blackoutsox on Sep 2, 2011 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

    everything is worth runs. offense and defense. the sum of those runs a player contributes

    beyond what you could get from a AAAA journeyman is your runs above replacement. runs are convertible to wins. usually it’s vastly simplified such that 10 runs ~ 1 win since that’s mostly close enough. runs above replacement/10 = WAR. ta da.

    So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

    by colintj on Sep 2, 2011 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

    I know someone is going to tell me to look it up...

    but, how do they determine the runs that determine the wins?

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    by Hazymania on Sep 2, 2011 1:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

    linear weights

    every event in baseball changes the probability of victory by a determined amount with a large enough sample size. eg every single is worth like .132 runs, and every out like -.014. [don’t quote me on those numbers]. then you adjust for league, etc. and voila.

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    by boyonthedock on Sep 2, 2011 3:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

    ive got another

    That pedophiles aren’t jealous of A.J.’s stache

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