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It's Greg Walker time ... for the last time?

Greg Walker needs all his fingers to count the number of underachievers in the lineup.

Oh, those tell-tale signs of autumn's approach! The days that grow shorter, the leaves that take on tinges of yellow, the return of cool crispness in the night air...

...and the renewed uncertainty of Greg Walker's future.

Like fresh apple cider after the harvest, the decision to retain the longtime White Sox hitting coach undergoes a thorough mulling process by all sides.

This year, Ozzie Guillen kickstarted the debate, taking a break from stumping for his own future by issuing an emphatic defense for the only hitting coach he's ever had:

"Greg Walker is a better person than me because he loves the White Sox, he loves the owner, loves the players," Guillen said. "Greg Walker is the only thing I can ask for. He did it; he's doing it. He takes the kids out to practice. He takes guys to hit. He tries to help the best he can. He comes here every day without missing one day, trying to help the ballclub. At the end of the day, they not perform."

Greg Walker starts the phone tree in case of schedule changes ... Greg Walker takes the kids out for pizza after the game, win or lose ...

I don't feel good about criticizing Walker for a few reasons. He indeed seems like a decent guy, and I sympathize with him because there's no way he can save face when the team struggles. He pretty much has to choose between leaning on clichés or pantsing his hitters, so while he might seem like an empty vessel when he goes with Option A, it's all he can do. Plus, there's only so much a hitting coach can do (as Carlton Fisk told us), and if they made a bigger impact, they'd be paid more.

But there comes a time in every hitting coach's life where they suffer the consequences for the sins of their hitters, and it's immensely difficult to see how the buildup of bad vibes can be overlooked for one more year.

Star-divide

We're talking about ...

No. 1: Season-crushing slumps.

The last four seasons have been marred by shocking nosedives from significant players:

(There's a case that Juan Pierre also warrants inclusion on this list, but he's had a handful of slow-to-terrible starts with other teams.)

In two cases -- Swisher and Beckham -- their respective faceplants stunted the development of the franchise. The Swisher trades are a whole stable of dead horses at this point, but I think we could make more of the fact that Beckham still can't hit his way ahead of the suddenly surging Brent Morel.

No. 2: Dissension in the ranks.

Kenny Williams certainly isn't happy with Beckham's degeneration as a hitter, and he let Walker know about it via screaming earlier this month, reportedly telling Walker to clean out his locker. Of course, it's unclear if Williams has any authority to do anything anymore, but either way, he rattled Walker's cocoon like never before.

No. 3: Faces that change, and trends that don't.

As Satchel Price at Beyond the Box Score noted, the White Sox have a problem with pop-ups. As a result, their batting average on balls in play suffer, because pop-ups don't translate into hits.

But this problem isn't unique to this season. When it comes to BABIP, the White Sox leased the American League cellar with an option to buy:

  • 2011: Last
  • 2010: 11th
  • 2009: Last
  • 2008: Last
  • 2007: Last

Paul Konerko and A.J. Pierzynski are the only constants from five years ago. Everybody else has come and gone, and it doesn't matter whether hitters have had some pop-up issues in the past (Swisher, Carlos Quentin) or not (Dunn, Rios) -- the players seem to fall right in line.

This doesn't all fall on Walker's shoulders. Player evaluation likely plays a big part, and the Sox barked up the wrong tree when they prioritized reducing strikeouts to solve batting-average problems. Here's a fun fact -- even with Dunn on the roster, the Sox have struck out fewer than any AL team outside of the Texas Rangers. The rub is that they doubled down on weak contact in the process.

But there's gotta be something besides the talent. The Sox have had four of the worst everyday hitters in the American League, and there were considerable expectations for three of them. The number of death-spiral crises over the past three years has created a funk that seeps into the fabric of the organization, and it isn't coming out in the wash.

The only thing the Sox haven't tried is a change in the hitting staff. The current hitting coach and scouts were in their respective positions in 2007, and despite the number of hitters who have come and gone, the fundamental weaknesses remain.

Yes, I know changing Walker and his crew doesn't guarantee improvement. That has been the standard defense every time his job security comes into question, and while reactionary decisions seldom bear fruit, this particular friction has persisted long enough to wear a hole through this argument. There's a far better case to be made that consistency has turned into complacency, and when a problem hangs around long enough to be considered "constant," then the constants have to become variables.

Postscript

So far, Alejandro De Aza and Dayan Viciedo have yet to hit an infield fly over their 179 combined plate appearances. There's a 99 percent chance I jinxed one or both by writing this, but nevertheless, it's just another facet in their games that illustrate how thoroughly they represented solutions to the current problems. Which, in turn, makes the decision by Williams and Guillen to sit on their hands all the more inexplicable.

And another thing -- it could be said that if Guillen truly cared about Walker's continued employment, he wouldn't be making conscious (and possibly subversive) decisions to play the guys that make Walker look like a zero by association. The yearlong cold war has resulted in a lot of collateral damage, and we might have to add Walker's name to the list within a month or so. Reserve a seat for him next to the fans, just in case.

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"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Sep 13, 2011 6:39 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

i would agree

but now I really want some apple cider and that is entirely Jim’s fault.

by e-gus on Sep 13, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I had it on my mind since my first cider donut sighting yesterday.

We get good apple seasons up here.

Whales! Squids! Sharks! They're everywhere! Hello, I am Poseidon! Now, when people told me I was crazy that thinly sliced roast beef would be a delicious fast-food option, I knew it was the greatest idea, and you can thank me later for Arby's.

by Jim Margalus on Sep 13, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like that you called out the hitting scouts right along with Walker.

Have to think this has something to do with it too. Not sure how much sway they have in player acqusitions at Kenny’s table, but they have to have a substantial chunk of the blame.

On a sunny note, how about Brent Morel flashing a little power? Definitely deserves a do-over. Hopefully he takes advantage of it.

by polodude017 on Sep 13, 2011 7:15 AM CDT reply actions  

So...is Ozzie saying he doesn't love the White Sox, the owner and the players, since Walker is a better person that he?

“Greg Walker is a better person than me because he loves the White Sox, he loves the owner, loves the players,” Guillen said.

by Rhubarb on Sep 13, 2011 7:53 AM CDT reply actions  

so you can't understand what ozzie is saying, huh?

racist.

"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck

by BuehrleMan on Sep 13, 2011 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jerry is still his daddy

But the players and their paychecks make great speed bumps for his bus lately.

by justjc on Sep 13, 2011 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

This makes me want to throw up

Guillen goes on and on about the “love” Walker has for the Sox, and not once anywhere in there is a mention of accountability or being judged on performance. Everybody can have a job as long as they love the Sox, even if the GM (who loves the Sox) tries to fire you.

by MelidoPerez on Sep 13, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you love the White Sox, set them free.

The policeman who jumps from a bridge to a plane is Detective John McClane, a.k.a. Bruce Willis. He’s just the star of the whole movie series and stuff, no big deal or anything. -Cruiser

by Uribe Down on Sep 13, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I had to re-read that line.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Sep 13, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Loved this

“the Sox have struck out fewer than any AL team outside of the Texas Rangers. The rub is that they doubled down on weak contact in the process.”

Can we finally end the media and marketing infatuation with Ozzieball now. Never made sense at the Cell anyway. Cooper and Hahn are the only folks I care to see back next year from the management side.

by justjc on Sep 13, 2011 8:41 AM CDT reply actions  

Mark Salas is the shit.

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Sep 13, 2011 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

This.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Sep 13, 2011 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Then I'm sure he'll get a multi-year contract.

Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?

by Chiburb on Sep 13, 2011 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

easy trick question -

what do mark salas and toby harrah have in common?… (clue; throw in Rob Nen)

by RoyEgan on Sep 13, 2011 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Saw this.

Not really anything we didn’t know. I agree though that the best course of action might be to “promote” Kenny, make Hahn GM and send Ozzie packing to Florida (hopefully for a somewhat useful player). It’s pretty clear Reinsdorf is loyal to these guys, so in this scenario, pretty much everyone gets what they want, or at least gets to save face.

by polodude017 on Sep 13, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

True, but the Marlins are backed into a corner to some degree as well.

Valentine already turned them down before and McKeon doesn’t seem to have any interest in returning. Ozzie is still technically under contract next season, so if they really want him, maybe they will give up something for him. Maybe the key is, as you indicated, to put out the vibe that they are considering rolling with him, at least for the one year remaining.

by polodude017 on Sep 13, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

craig is right

The Sox will get nothing for trading Ozzie. They either want him or they don’t. If they don’t then he has no value and will be fired. Only three times in baseball’s history has a manager been traded, its just not realistic.

by Rhubarb on Sep 13, 2011 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

i don't think they'd get a 'somewhat useful player' even if they did trade him anyways.

people are dreaming if they think morrison is actually available for ozzie.

by craigws on Sep 13, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think Morrison, but I could see the Marlins being stupid enough to give them something.

I mean, doesn’t it seem to everyone else that they are, for some reason, far too infatuated with Ozzie?

Not that it matters, I’d be all for firing him anyways at this point. I’ve been a fairly staunch Ozzie backer in the past, but this season kind of put me over the edge. I think I’m also ready for KW to move on as I just haven’t been able to support the vast majority of his moves the past few years.

by polodude017 on Sep 13, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

I completely agree.

They seem to have some inexplicable infatuation with Ozzie and if that means they might take him off our hands for even as little as a pack of baseball cards then I wholeheartedly hope they do.

Besides, wouldn’t that mean we’re off the hook for his salary for next year? And we might even find a Harper Auto! Seems like a solid plan to me

by Tipiot on Sep 13, 2011 10:30 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

They "seem" to have an infatuation with Guillen because they are playing third fiddle to the Heat and Dolphins

They never sell out and are opening a new stadium in 2012. They don’t pay for players so I suppose they feel they need to pay for a manager.

by Rhubarb on Sep 13, 2011 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

A little off topic, but I was just having this conversation with some buddies.

Is there a single professional sports team in Florida that does well in terms of drawing fans? The Rays and Marlins don’t draw at all (though I suppose both could be at least somewhat stadium related), the Bucs and Jags have a lot of trouble filling their stadiums, the Heat struggled even WITH Lebron, Wade and Bosh this year, and I don’t think the Magic do exceedingly well. I think the Dolphins do ok, but it makes you wonder why professional sports leagues are so eager to “exploit the large revenue streams” in cities like Miami and Tampa.

by polodude017 on Sep 13, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Heat didn't struggle at all. They sold out all their home games

Just because fans show up 30 minutes late doesn’t mean they don’t pay full price.

by Ozzie Montana on Sep 13, 2011 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

According to ESPN the heat were 5th.

Good call. Not sure where I heard that. Might have been something like what you mentioned with people showing up late.

by polodude017 on Sep 13, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tampa and Miami are the 14th and 16th largest media markets in the country.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Sep 13, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

There are things called television, radio, the internet, and merchandise.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Sep 13, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I follow, but my question still stands.

If people in the city aren’t fans or the team or aren’t interested, it’s not helping. Market size is great in theory, how much of that market actually gives you money is the issue.

by polodude017 on Sep 13, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

There is a huge difference in not going to the games and not being a fan or uniterested.

I’ve never been to a Bears game in my life. Does me following the team bring in money? Yes.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Sep 13, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know

Like Ozzie Montana said the basketball teams do very well. The Dolphins draw well. The Jags are in a city that might be hit hard by the economy but I have an aunt that lives there and they love that fucking team. I noticed there were alot of empty seats at the Bucs game this Sunday against the Lions and i was kind of surprised because historically they have drawn well, I believe.

Maybe it is because alot of people transplant themselves to Florida and have prior affiliations with teams elsewhere. Like WU, he is a Sox fan that lives in Florida and probably doesn’t go to many Rays games unless they play the Sox.

by Rhubarb on Sep 13, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Poeple in Jacksonville must not like leaving home then.

Becuase they are on blackout watch almost every week. And I know the Bucs have struggled.

Good point though in that there are a lot of transplants in the area.

by polodude017 on Sep 13, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

he Rays and Marlins don’t draw at all (though I suppose both could be at least somewhat stadium related)

Believe it’s primarily stadium-related. Market size as well in Tampa’s case.

a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee

by big_fun on Sep 13, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Even in a crappy venue tho, people usually support good teams.

The Rays can’t get people into the Trop for anything.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 13, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

The stadium is inconveniently located.

It’s a pain for my relatives who actually live in Tampa proper to get there.

by 3E8 on Sep 13, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

that place is a hell hole

and was a pain to get to from Clearwater, too.

by e-gus on Sep 13, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Crappy venue might be too kind. It's usually regarded as MLB's worst stadium.

They also had some pretty concerning food safety violations in the recent past.

a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee

by big_fun on Sep 13, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wish we had discussed this before.

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Sep 13, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep

Dykes was traded for another manager, Tanner was traded for Manny Sanguillen, Pinella for Antonio Perez. Guillen isn’t worth anything at all.

by Rhubarb on Sep 13, 2011 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought Pinella went for Randy Winn

But I agree. The most I’d expect in a minor leaguer who projects to be a middle reliver/utility infielder

by joewho112 on Sep 13, 2011 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Per Wikipedia:
Following the 2002 season, Piniella left the Mariners to manage the Tampa Bay Devil Rays. As compensation, the Devil Rays traded outfielder Randy Winn to the Mariners for infield prospect Antonio Perez.

by joewho112 on Sep 13, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

they are only backed into a corner if they think they are.

and they’d have to be monumentally stupid to believe that. plenty of people to hire instead of ozzie.

by craigws on Sep 13, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd tend to agree. If they start shopping him, it implies if they don't work out a deal that they'd fire him

If I remember correctly (read: the following is entirely fictional), the Rays went after Pinella so the Mariners had the credible alternative to keep him.

by joewho112 on Sep 13, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Is it possible that this is why Jerry/Kenny hasn't ragequit on Ozzie?

Because surely they can’t exactly be amused by the way Ozzie has been having a right laugh at the expense of their $56MM windcutter.

I honestly can’t think of another explanation either of them hasn’t torn him a new one.

by Tipiot on Sep 13, 2011 10:24 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

good read
So far, Alejandro De Aza and Dayan Viciedo have yet to hit an infield fly over their 179 combined plate appearances.

And we couldn’t find room for these guys earlier?

The do-nothingness of this season has driven me to apathy. Its not a question of whether Dayan would outproduce Pierre, or De Aza outperform Rios. Its not a question of whether a new hitting coach would make any difference. Its this notion that we can’t seem to make a couple of low-risk moves to see if it helps.

The country needs and, unless I mistake its temper, the country demands bold, persistent experimentation. It is common sense to take a method and try it: If it fails, admit it frankly and try another. But above all, try something. – FDR

And if its all a passive-aggressive battle within the Sox mgmt, then clean the house.

I shant be misled a second time

by Nordhagen on Sep 13, 2011 9:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Ozzie should be fired for committing light treason.

White Sox 2011: The season of extraneous body parts.

by greenlight on Sep 13, 2011 9:52 AM CDT reply actions  

He built houses in Iraq?

And then had a love affair with an ice cream sandwich?

by Tipiot on Sep 13, 2011 10:12 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

was the ice cream slimy?

Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk

by blackoutsox on Sep 13, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Only cause he contracted with the Cubs for Wrigley.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 13, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

FanGraphs gave De Aza a NERD score of 10 (perfect) yesterday.

link
This is the first time I recall seeing a White Sox player at 10 all season. Makes sense.

"That baseball is the smartest thing out on that field." —Hawk Harrelson

by mikecws91 on Sep 13, 2011 10:00 AM CDT reply actions  

Interesting, never heard of this before.

Though the fact that some guy named Jose Costanza also scored a 10 kind of takes a little luster off this.

by polodude017 on Sep 13, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I read the explanation.

Interesting, but I guess I just don’t see it as something to put a ton of stock in.

by polodude017 on Sep 13, 2011 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

The writer says he's trying to measure "how interesting or watchable" each player is.

I mean I understand the calculation he’s using, it just doesn’t seem to me that interesting/watchable necessarily means good, though he is stumbling onto something by taking age into account relative to WAR (this hasn’t really been done as far as I know). That and the cutoff for inclusion is 100 PA’s, which De Aza isn’t that far over.

by polodude017 on Sep 13, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

what the fuck?

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 13, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

He also does this.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Sep 13, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, just watching him tongue that bat is nasty.

But it is good to know he takes sanitation so seriously. Don’t want him getting leptospirosis or anything.

by Name's Dalton on Sep 13, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

A dog pissed on his bat?

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Sep 13, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

What do you care if he gets leptospirosis?

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 13, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's a nifty looking bug.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Sep 13, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Looks like weave.

Or untied hemp jewelry.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 13, 2011 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is outstanding.

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Sep 13, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

that is possibly the worst swing i have ever seen

he swung while simultaneously walking back to the dugout

Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk

by blackoutsox on Sep 13, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

And why would he be walking back to the Mets' dugout?

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Sep 13, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

i got all of that, i don't know why you are saying you won't put a ton of stock in it,

when the very nature of the thing instructs you not to put a ton of stock into it.

by craigws on Sep 13, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

he seems to be doing stream of consciousness posting,

in a carpet-bombing, non-precision style.

Easy chief
We’re a community - Tdogg

by Jack M on Sep 13, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I didn't follow that this was a "just for fun" type of stat.

Thought they were actually trying to derive some sort of value or make some conclusion from it.

by polodude017 on Sep 13, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah,

“It’s a tongue in cheek, just for fun type of number. Not a real value metric” was clearly a non sequitur.

by craigws on Sep 13, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry Craig.

I was going off what the guy was writing on FG. Never heard of it before, just trying to understand.

by polodude017 on Sep 13, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

then here's another one.

whining about extraneous, sarcastic replies on SSS is like whining that water is wet. if you find it oh so terrible, head on back to soxtalk.

by larry on Sep 13, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Wasn't whining, Larry.

You’re just a prick and a bully to people here. That’s a fact.

by Name's Dalton on Sep 14, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

So, just to make sure I follow:

My sarcastic comment about your sarcastic comment was whining, but yours (regarding people replying to comments they don’t read) was not? I ask that unsarcastically.

by Name's Dalton on Sep 14, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love greg walker!

Going to the game tonight. got some cheap 300 level seats a few days ago. i’ll at least get to see another verlander win. that should be exciting.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 13, 2011 10:40 AM CDT reply actions  

I never quite know how to judge a baseball coaching staff

But right or wrong I end up blaming Walker for a bunch of stuff. There’s the pop-up issue, how Sox hitters don’t seem to work counts, and then there’s Beckham.

I get what Fisk said about players actually having to do it, and my wife always says that people have to make their own arguments for change, but how does Beckham look, if not unable to make adjustments, so damn slow to do it?

If things like approach and adjustments manifest some of a hitting coach’s work, then it feels right to pin some things on Walker.

by Titan52 on Sep 13, 2011 11:19 AM CDT reply actions  

popups and poor babip have this in common

the cell… hr paradise (or something like that)… people trying to jack stuff out, popping up instead. so we get our share of hr’s but… the babip stinks.

who on the sox really tries to hit line drives? Paulie, AJ, JP, Alexei. Anybody else?

by ruffster on Sep 13, 2011 11:51 AM CDT reply actions  

Viciedo

Hawk said that there is no one else in baseball that hits the ball harder.

"Alex is our best option right now." - Ozzie Guillen answering the media regarding Alex Rios continually batting clean-up (8/31/11)

by tailgater on Sep 13, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

he doesn't even need to type it now.

so he can hear himself ‘yaz’ over and over again.

by craigws on Sep 13, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

beckham.

as for “tries”, who knows what they’re trying to do. but league average line drive percentage is about 19%. you can go to fangraphs and check the data (with the usual caveats regarding the accuracy of batted ball classifications).

by larry on Sep 13, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

His "pre-suck" swing often resulted in line drives to right center.

I hope he gets it back next year.

Maybe Greg Walker can work with him.

"Alex is our best option right now." - Ozzie Guillen answering the media regarding Alex Rios continually batting clean-up (8/31/11)

by tailgater on Sep 13, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd be OK with dumping Walker to end the dramatics already

At this level of the game, how much does a hitting coach contribute, anyway? Perhaps they can fix and advise younger players, but are veterans really listening? Did he walk up to Adam Dunn and say, “Hey, I noticed that you suck compared to last year. How about you stop sucking and get some hits?” I doubt it.

The Cubs hired hitting genius Rudy Jaramillo away from Texas for $2.42 million (over 3 years). How’d that work out for the Cubs so far? Has Texas suffered one bit from losing him? Nah.

"Alex is our best option right now." - Ozzie Guillen answering the media regarding Alex Rios continually batting clean-up (8/31/11)

by tailgater on Sep 13, 2011 12:20 PM CDT reply actions  

How is taking coaching not an expectation?

This is one of those baseball things that baffles the hell out of me. I would think that all position players would be having frequent meetings with the hitting coach to go over opposing pitchers, changes in how they are being pitched individually, how they’re doing in terms of pitch recognition, going over video, etc. All that preparation stuff.

by Titan52 on Sep 13, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

CSN

Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?

by Chiburb on Sep 13, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

OMG....I get it all now.

Ozzie has been playing a joke on us all season long. AJ in the three hole makes it all so obvious. How stupid we’ve been!

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 13, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

This. With 4 career HR against Porcello he'd have been back last night if able.

Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?

by Chiburb on Sep 13, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

NO!

PROMOTE GREG WALKER!

by billyok on Sep 13, 2011 3:23 PM CDT reply actions  

I see what you do there.

Loyalty rules!

Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?

by Chiburb on Sep 13, 2011 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really, really hate this team's management.

"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ

by Shoeless In SC on Sep 13, 2011 5:53 PM CDT reply actions  

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