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Guillen, Santos running on empty

Ozzie Guillen is out of ideas.

To Ozzie Guillen's credit, he'll often cast himself in front of the mob when it's not necessary.

But I think it's funny that one day after he said this:

"A lot of people talk about we pitched well. Yeah, we pitched good. Because our offense was so bad out pitching looked very good. It's difficult to point fingers here. I want people to point them at me."


"I will criticize my players if they don't work hard; I will say, 'That's his fault. They did this, they did that.’" Guillen said. "The reason I blame myself is because I'm not going to let anybody else do it. I've never been afraid to blame myself because I'm the one who puts those guys out there, even when people were looking for my head, to kill me, because I was continuing to play those guys."

He countered with this:

"Their fight left three days ago," Guillen said. "I don't care what they say. We've got coaches and all this stuff, we're still out there and hopefully win some games. You know what's funny? Some coaches might need the $5,000, $3,000 to be in second place. The [players] might not. But the [coaches] do. They can buy Christmas gifts for their kids.

"... But the fight? No, I don't see it."

And it just so happened to be in a game where Jim Leyland -- who isn't the best X's-and-O's manager himself -- outmanaged Guillen in the late innings. He throws himself on most grenades, but he let this one skip right past him when it had his name all over it.The Brandon Inge-Alex Avila rope-a-dope, the sacrifice bunt to move Juan Pierre to second in order to take the bat out of Paul Konerko's hands in the ninth ... those are on him.

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It all doesn't matter much -- especially when Konerko agreed that the air had been let out of the tires -- but it reminds me of what Chris Jaffe wrote about Guillen in his book, Evaluating Baseball's Managers:

Also, when the Sox hired Guillen one anonymous baseball official said Guillen would help a good team win some more games, but cause a bad one to lose more.  Guillen demonstrated the veracity of that statement in 2007, when the Sox went 72-90.  He did the same things that he normally did, but with a very different effect.  He sought to light a fire under his team with outrageous comments, tried building rivalries with other teams – all the button-pushing tricks that previously worked.  Alas, the team did not have the talent to rise up.  Guillen resorted to the same dramatic maneuver he made in 2005: holding himself accountable, he said the team should fire him if he could not make the squad win.  Saying this once or twice, as in 2005, gets people’s attention.  However, because the team kept losing, Guillen spent all summer repeating it.  A motivational technique transformed into a cry for help.  Instead of buckling down, the team flailed about.  When a team lacks what it takes, sometimes the best course for a manager is to be patient and try to get the team ready for the next year.  Guillen does not take it easy; patience is not his virtue.  It is win or die trying, not win or die waiting.

The last two years, Guillen's White Sox have curled up and hibernated after losing the game everybody marked down as a must-win. Last season, the series-opening loss to Minnesota on Sept. 14 started an eight-game skid. This time, the loss to Detroit on the Sept. 2 put the Tigers on a path for two straight sweeps. They've now swept the White Sox in three straight series, and have taken 12 consecutive September games against the White Sox overall.

There's no one person to blame, and while Guillen tries to absorb most of it, stopping at times like this seems to remove the significance from the whole approach. Now he's out of ideas, the White Sox are out of life, and a bunch of people are out of money.

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Sergio Santos doesn't come out looking smart either after giving up the two-run homer to Alex Avila. Here's what he's done since he basically complained that Guillen didn't give him every save opportunity:

Divide it however you want: 4-for-7 in save situations, 4-for-8 in finishing saves, 5-for-9 in high-leverage outings, or 6-for-10 in doing his job. It's ugly no matter what, especially considering that Santos got his wish and knew when he was going to pitch, unlike every other reliever in the bullpen.

Perhaps not by coincidence, most of these outings have taken place after he eclipsed his 2010 inning total. If physical and/or mental endurance concerns were at the heart of Guillen's strategy, Santos is proving their validity. Hopefully he can see it for himself.

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An interesting analysis of the post "I'm the savior" Santos, thank you.

Hopefully he’s learning from these trials and not curling up in the fetal position.

White Sox 2011: The season of extraneous body parts.

by greenlight on Sep 15, 2011 5:42 AM CDT reply actions  

He's a tough kid.

Wait, didn’t he cry on TV once? Never mind. He’s done.

Seriously, though, Guillen is like some drugs – he doesn’t change the mood, but he amplifies and expands it. It’s all about momentum. That’s the opposite of Jerry Manuel, who was stoic as Margaret Thatcher.

But we wanted fire, we wanted passion, and we got Ozzie. No regrets. I love him as a personality, for 2005 and all the successes, and would hope he’d stay in some other capacity – media relations?- but as a manager for us he’s toast.

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Sep 15, 2011 7:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Guillen's tenure was always going to end this way. I thought we knew that from the start.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Sep 15, 2011 7:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep.

Like all hot relationships, it’s difficult to sustain. Guillen’s your hot stock. All stocks get boring if they even survive. Someday AAPL will be MSFT.

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Sep 15, 2011 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

You are in need of a metaphor?

What burns brightest burns faster? You play with fire and you’re going to get burned?

"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ

by Shoeless In SC on Sep 15, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have no confidence in the Sox to do this, but I'd love to have a manager with an above average IQ.

It would be nice to have a guy not making obvious tactical errors.
But I’m sure we’ll get some re-tread washout loser who’s done it before.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Sep 15, 2011 7:14 AM CDT reply actions  

Sounds yummy.

Where do I sign up for tickets?

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Sep 15, 2011 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

"But I'm sure we'll get some re-tread washout loser who's done it before"

Brilliant!
(but not good enough for a rec, sucker)

It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT

by rhythm on Sep 15, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

So with KW allegedly back for 1012 and Guillen allegedly on his last legs...

it sounds like the rest of the coaching staff would go with him. Does that mean Coop and Herm too?

by polodude017 on Sep 15, 2011 8:14 AM CDT reply actions  

herm has been there since the late 70s.

he’s not going anywhere.

Coop has also been in the organization for 20+ years. I assume he’d stay put but you never know- he may seek other opportunities.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 15, 2011 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Those are really the only two I'm worried about.

as they are the only two I really see providing a tangible benefit to the team. I like guys like Cora and Baines, but I couldn’t really comment on how good of coaches they are. For what it’s worth, the fielding seems to be pretty good and I know Cora works with the infielders a lot, at least in the offseason.

by polodude017 on Sep 15, 2011 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Buddy Bell does not want to manage.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Sep 15, 2011 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

This.

He’s on record, emphatically, as saying, “I don’t want to manage again.”

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 15, 2011 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I still even have the audio.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Sep 15, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Buddy Bell

loser by birth or by choice?

by Knoxfire30 on Sep 15, 2011 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Herm and Coop

If they are back in 2012 I will be thrilled, after that a whole new coaching staff is probably what this team needs.

by Knoxfire30 on Sep 15, 2011 9:09 AM CDT reply actions  

Unless we hire a player-manager

White Sox 2011: The season of extraneous body parts.

by greenlight on Sep 15, 2011 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Omar!!!!!

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 15, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

PK.

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Sep 15, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

You forgot "conditioning coach".

"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!

by winningugly on Sep 15, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

He is the Leonardo DiVinci of our time

He trains, he conditions, he eats mayonaise by the spoon full. There is nothing he can’t do

by joewho112 on Sep 15, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fun Fact: In DaVinci's original version of the Vitruvian Man, he had a spoon full of mayo in all four hands

It was intended to be the label for his own line mayonnaise called Vitruvyonnaise, but an egg shortage in Venice put an end to his business venture.

by joewho112 on Sep 15, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ever so slightly off topic, I just had an amazing idea

A line mayo endorsed by Emma Watson called . . . wait for it . . . Hermionnaise, the Mayo with a Touch of Magic.

Where do I go to get my millions of dollars?

by joewho112 on Sep 15, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

The manufacturing plant will be located in Gary

White Sox 2011: The season of extraneous body parts.

by greenlight on Sep 15, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Stone Pony.

Byah!

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 15, 2011 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

I sat through that rain-soaked debacle yesterday.

First of all, every Chicago weather person can bite me. “All the rain will be to the south” – yeah, right.

Secondly, the best part of my day was lunch at Bacardi at the Park. Good brisket sandwich and Half Acre on tap…fantastic. The only downside – a bathroom attendant…I hate paying to pee.

As Ozzie pointed out, other than the kids, the team is lifeless. I had decent seats, so at least Rios heard me when I unloaded on him for bobbling a ball that resulted in a run scoring. The 9th inning collapse pretty much encapsulated the 2011 theme for this team – another blown opportunity.

"Alex is our best option right now." - Ozzie Guillen answering the media regarding Alex Rios continually batting clean-up (8/31/11)

by tailgater on Sep 15, 2011 11:15 AM CDT reply actions  

you know...

i wasn’t all that impressed with Bacardi at the Park. The food was ok… but the atmosphere just seemed thrown together. they could have done a much nicer job than they did.

My wife said the same thing about the bathroom attendant.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 15, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think I was just so happy to have "someplace" to finally go to at the park

It is also possible I was distracted by the lovely servers.

"Alex is our best option right now." - Ozzie Guillen answering the media regarding Alex Rios continually batting clean-up (8/31/11)

by tailgater on Sep 15, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

holy cow. i was in there on 1/2 way to st patricks day....

our server was a stunningly beautiful dark haired cutie and she was wearing the hat they gave out. i was in love. my wife used her card for the bill and i told her “add a few more dollars i think she likes me” my wife said “she can have you”. and then we went on about our day.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 15, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

more Doug and Carrie

king of queens.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 15, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

As if

a real-life guy like Doug would actually be married to a cutie like Leah Remini. Puh-lease.

"Alex is our best option right now." - Ozzie Guillen answering the media regarding Alex Rios continually batting clean-up (8/31/11)

by tailgater on Sep 15, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which means I probably saw you in there and didn't even know it.

Damn it. I should’ve been looking for Kenny Powers.

"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic" - Crash Davis

by Servant2LordBeckham on Sep 15, 2011 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm glad that the rip currents didn't get you!

White Sox 2011: The season of extraneous body parts.

by greenlight on Sep 15, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

does anyone have the quotes from the presser the other day with ozzie talking about players quitting?

saying something like: “I’m not going to single anyone out if it seems they have given up. If they wanna sit out they can go cry to jerry and kenny about not playing. I’m not going to play guys who dont perform, dont give full effort, or just wanna sit.”

I wanted to throw the TV(at the office) when I heard that.

The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists

R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"

by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Sep 15, 2011 6:15 PM CDT reply actions  

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