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Dream With Me

What you gonna do with a net and a racket and we ain't got no yard?  (Photo by Mike Ehrmann/Getty Images)

It's not even Halloween yet (which as I've already told Rhubarb, is my favorite holiday), yet we're already being subjected to numerous rumors and suppositions about the fate of one Oswaldo Jose Guillen Barrios.  It's all but certain that the longest tenured manager of the White Sox since Al Lopez (1957-1965) is on his way out of Armour Square.  Baseball being baseball, it's not like he'll be without a job for long.  Thing is, wouldn't it be nice if the team could actually get something for him?

Star-divide

Last year's Guillen for Mike Stanton trade rumors were more than a bit ridiculous.  No team would be willing to give up a budding young superstar under team control for the foreseeable future for a manager, not even the ever-confusing Marlins.  But this year's Logan Morrison rumors seem to be more realistic and possible. 

Morrison is not going to stay in Miami much longer.  Filing a grievance against the team for not being upfront with why they sent him to the minors may be the last straw.  He's an outspoken first baseman who is trapped in the outfield because of Gaby Sanchez.  He does not get along with the team's legitimate superstar, having called out Hanley Ramirez's work ethic in public.  If they attempt to keep him in the minors as an attempt at punishment, the Players' Union may be getting involved.  This is where the imagination of beat writers have been running wild.

While they don't happen very often, player manager (and even manager manager) trades can occur.  While all of this is most likely just talk due to the perceived good fit of Ozzie in Miami (I personally see that ending terribly), I'd like to look at what Morrison would bring to the table in Chicago.  Morrison just turned 24 last month.  He has accrued less than one full year of service time in the majors.  While his defense in left field is reminiscent of the Carlos Quentin adventures of recent (obviously not including this season) memory, he brings 20+ homerun power from the left side of the plate.  Expecting his OBP to return to the high-water mark of 2010 (.390) is probably unrealistic, but if his BABIP heads back to a league normal rate, something in the .350-.360 range is very possible.  Combine this with the slight power spike one normally expects (damn you Adam Dunn for ruining these expectations) from playing 81 games at U.S. Cellular Field and you get a non-arbitration eligible player with an OPS around .830-.850 with easy marketing potential that can spell Paul Konerko at first when the captain needs a day off and eventually replace Paulie down the line. This even gives Kenny Williams more roster flexibility, as adding Morrison gives the team another legitimate corner outfielder along with Dayan Viciedo, allowing Quentin to be traded away for cost-control.

But stop me if this doesn't sound familiar.  Nick Swisher was touted as the same thing, but without the known clubhouse issues before joining the team.  While he was wholeheartedly embraced at the outset, his personality did not mesh with the veteran dominated clubhouse and his poor attitude during his prolonged slump ultimately led to him being run out of town.  This is obviously a similar risk.  The main difference is the cost.  Swisher cost the White Sox three valuable prospects, two of which have already proven to be useful major league pieces.  If the asking price is only Ozzie Guillen, whom the White Sox seemed determined to rid themselves of anyways, the move is a no-brainer.  Sadly though, this will probably end up being little more than a pipe dream.


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Ozzie was culpable in encouraging Swishers clown act

remember that bollocks in Toronto with the blow up doll, that kind of thing you can do without.

by hoodlight on Sep 16, 2011 12:14 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

i had 0 problems with the whole blow up doll thing. i think it was kind of funny.

and the sox went on to play well shortly after that winning 12 of their next 16.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 16, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I suspect Jerry didn't find it funny at all, especially after cultivating the family friendly image of the team and home park for 2 decades.

Yeah, this happened in Toronto, but I can see him calling Ozzie and Kenny on the carpet for not controlling such disgusting behaviour.
I thought it funny too, but I’ll bet Kenny was given orders to get rid of him in the off-season.

Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?

by Chiburb on Sep 16, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I still think it was weird that right after being eliminated KW hugged Swisherand told him to come back

and try again the next year. I too have read how he pouted and wouldn’t listen to Griffey about his swing and whatever else, but that incident, “The Hug,” makes me wonder if those stories were blown out of proportion.

If he was ordered to push him out, why do that at all?

Swisher trade is the epitome of dead horse I know but, I just don’t understand that aspect in light of the fallout.

by notoneyguillen on Sep 16, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

this hug you speak of is news to me

"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ

by Shoeless In SC on Sep 16, 2011 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

kenny was holding a knife when he hugged him

he just accidentally dropped it

Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk

by blackoutsox on Sep 16, 2011 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Me too.

Maybe it was like a godfather kiss?

Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?

by Chiburb on Sep 16, 2011 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't watch South Park.

To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch

by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 16, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

season six is when it really picked up in my opinion

after 12 or so the really good episodes got more farther apart

Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk

by blackoutsox on Sep 16, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're not joking.

i remember hearing about the jesus vs santa, spirit of christmas pre-southpark episode when it came out. my geometry teacher told me about it. it was just an underground cartoon at the time and it was hard to get your hands on. I still remember him trying to explain it to us in class and wondering how I was going to get my hands on it.

"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ

by Shoeless In SC on Sep 16, 2011 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Realplayer

last non-porn thing I watched on there

This used to be my playground

by The Cheat on Sep 16, 2011 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol.

true story.

"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ

by Shoeless In SC on Sep 16, 2011 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

meh

It can be okay sometimes, but most of the time its just two libertarians repeatedly tooting there own horn over and over again. Just my opinion.

by 815Sox on Sep 16, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

actually, season 11 was pretty good too.

the jesse jackson, homeless and imaginationland episodes were gold.

by craigws on Sep 16, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Concern with Morrison

is that he may be a problematic guy in the clubhouse. But the Sox have a manager with a strong presence, who is capable of handling that kind of player.

Wait a minute—-

by son_of_sophist on Sep 16, 2011 12:31 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't buy the "Morrison is a problem in the clubhouse" stuff

He personally interacts with fans in a really positive way constantly on Twitter, and seems like a legitimately good-natured, funny guy.

The problems in the Marlins clubhouse/with Hanley Ramirez pre-date Morrison’s arrival, and what the Marlins said about his demotion absolutely do warrant a filing of grievance.

by Pumpkin McPastry on Sep 16, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is major league baseball. He will have to deal with difficult personalities in any club house

If he can’t handle them appropriately and internally, he is not long for the game given his on the field value

by joewho112 on Sep 16, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think that anything he has said or done is really wrong or out of line...

but I could see some or a lot of the veterans (Konerko, AJ, etc) being bothered by a young guy who doesn’t just sit there and spout if company line, if he speaks at all. Morel and Beckham have seemed to embrace that which I think the vets like.

For the record I’m all for getting Morrison if it’s a possibility.

by polodude017 on Sep 16, 2011 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well A.J. is entering his last year on the team.

But yeah, Konerko still runs the clubhouse. It’ll be interesting to see what dynamics change with a new manager.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Sep 16, 2011 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

left side!!!

"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112

by BoeJouma on Sep 16, 2011 12:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Nice to see U-God go from contemplating suicide to "dreams"!

That’s the spirit!

Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?

by Chiburb on Sep 16, 2011 2:16 PM CDT reply actions  

October always gives me a weird, anxious type of feeling

Happens every year as the season changes…

In regards to Morrison, I am pretty sure he towed the company line during the year. Supposedly the incident where he did not show up to a fan meet and greet might have led to the demotion. He stated he was told it was “optional”, but I think we all know what owners and GMs feel about players not willing to give up some time to please the fans.

I am not saying I wouldn’t want him, but we sure as shit know this would not fly on the South Side.

by 815Sox on Sep 16, 2011 2:22 PM CDT reply actions  

towed the company line

You mean he toed the company line, right? Because towing it would seem to be the opposite.

a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee

by big_fun on Sep 16, 2011 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Be careful. That's a full-time job around here.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Sep 16, 2011 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

There was also something that precipitated his failure to show up

Not long before he skipped that event, he was supposed to have a charity event for lung cancer (lung cancer killed his father, with whom he was very close). The Marlins were supposed to help him by doing promotion for it. The Marlins did pretty much jack and he ended up having to cancel it because of crappy sales. I wouldn’t be shocked at all if he figured “eff these guys, they can’t be bothered to help me with a charity event but expect me to show up to gladhand our 10 season ticket holders?” Not to mention their union rep told him he didn’t have to show up (said union rep was released I believe the same day LoMo was sent down — gee, wonder if it was related).

by Yinka Double Dare on Sep 16, 2011 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

yup. and morrison could use some smarts, too.

whether this grievance is valid or not, whether the marlins have been pricks or not, whether he agreed with the demotion or not, morrison needs to grow up a bit. walking out of the meeting where you’re being told you’re being demoted is petulant behavior. you get to do that kind of stuff when you’ve established yourself as a major leaguer, not when you’re a below average corner outfielder. his criticism of teammates and the organization will have a hell of a lot more traction then.

by larry on Sep 16, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd love Logan Morrison

Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk

by blackoutsox on Sep 16, 2011 3:00 PM CDT reply actions  

If Ozzie for Morrison isn't going to get it done...

what about throwing in another player to make it happen? Would that be the first manager + player for another player deal in history?

by polodude017 on Sep 16, 2011 3:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Advice for my assigned offseason buddy:

click on links provided in the articles. They can usually answer those questions.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Sep 16, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good call on the pairing.

Btw, do I remember Dante?

Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?

by Chiburb on Sep 16, 2011 5:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

My advise to you...

…drink heavily.

"Alex is our best option right now." - Ozzie Guillen answering the media regarding Alex Rios continually batting clean-up (8/31/11)

by tailgater on Sep 16, 2011 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

From the subject line and quick glance at your sig

I thought this was a Bally post.

Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?

by Chiburb on Sep 16, 2011 5:16 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

probably the man

nightengale says ozzie will decide whether he’s back. if true, it’s a sad reflection on our front office. you have no mah-bows.

by evenyoudorn on Sep 16, 2011 5:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Its the extension issue

If he decides he is willing to manage without one than I think he is much more likely to be back. I have said it before, but I am not convinced he is gone after this year.

by 815Sox on Sep 16, 2011 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

backstabbing each other like string and avon

but the ending is going to be something more similar to Jerry being Poot, Kenny being bodie, and Ozzie as Wallace and the fans being String at that juncture of the storyline

This is wallace’s final scene in the show. bodie on the right and poot on the left:

The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists

R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"

by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Sep 16, 2011 5:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Is that Wire stuff?

Trying to score runs with Juan Pierre as your leadoff hitter is like trying to suture a wound in a moving car. You might still be successful -- but why make it so hard on yourself?

by Chiburb on Sep 16, 2011 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes.

It’s got kids with guns, you’ll love it.

The policeman who jumps from a bridge to a plane is Detective John McClane, a.k.a. Bruce Willis. He’s just the star of the whole movie series and stuff, no big deal or anything. -Cruiser

by Uribe Down on Sep 16, 2011 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

spoilers much?

"Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."

by boyonthedock on Sep 17, 2011 4:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeahhhhhhhh, a bit much

Easy chief
We’re a community - Tdogg

by Jack M on Sep 17, 2011 5:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

we should also probably stop talking about the 2005 world series around here.

just in case some people haven’t gotten around to watching it yet.

by larry on Sep 17, 2011 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol. what is the statute of limitations on something like that?

a week? a day? i dunno. it sure isn’t 10 years.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 17, 2011 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I generally go with 5 years.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Sep 17, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

5 years?

what, in case someone’s been in a coma?

by larry on Sep 17, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

That is the exact reason.

It’s dangerous to tell them too much, like waking a sleepwalker.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Sep 17, 2011 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

his wife is in a coma.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Sep 17, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

the WS need a mentor system too

I’m assuming they don’t, though. Konerko or AJ should mentor Morrison if he’s brought here.

"keep a weather eye on the horizon, dearest captain of the douche canoe" - BJ

by Shoeless In SC on Sep 16, 2011 6:00 PM CDT reply actions  

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