White Sox 8, Indians 4: Buehrle backed by bats
For about five minutes, it looked like Mark Buehrle was on the road to another tough loss. He returned to form through the first five innings -- staying away from the middle of the plate, picking off a runner, defending his position -- but when Travis Hafner's soaring fly to right barely cleared the right field wall, Buehrle found himself on the wrong end of a one-run game.
Fortunately, the Chicago bats came alive -- mostly the younger ones. They jumped on Ubaldo Jimenez a half-inning later, and created such a large cushion that last two innings were mostly spent seeing if the bullpen would retaliate for Tuesday night's HBPalooza.
They did not. Sox fans had to settle for a comfortable ninth inning instead.
Dayan Viciedo started the top of the seventh by drawing a one-out walk, after he fell behind 1-2. His seven-pitch plate appearance was followed by a one-pitch plate appearance by Brent Morel, who smashed a double off the left-center wall. Viciedo got a good read on it, and Jeff Cox waved him around. He slid safely into home while the throw came in wide of the plate to tie the game.
Gordon Beckham followed with a walk, and after a wild pitch moved both runners into scoring position, Alejandro De Aza delivered with a line-drive single to center, scoring two runs and giving the Sox a 4-2 lead. It also gave De Aza his third consecutive two-RBI game.
Their encore for a three-run seventh? A four-run eighth via three homers -- solo shots by Alexei Ramirez and Alex Rios, and a two-run shot by Brent Morel. The Sox led 8-2, and even though the eighth inning could've gone smoother -- the Sox needed three relievers to protect a six-run lead -- Sergio Santos restored sanity with a dominant 1-2-3 ninth.
Prior to the outburst, it looked like Tyler Flowers might've been in line for the only RBI with his fifth-inning double. He earned it. After Dayan Viciedo scorched a single to the right side, Flowers worked a full count before launching a double over the head of right-fielder Kosuke Fukudome, driving in Viciedo for a 1-0 lead.
Notes:
*De Aza missed a catchable ball at the wall during Cleveland's two-run eighth, as it appeared he thought he was jumping against the wall, and he hadn't reached it yet. One batter later, though, Jason Kipnis tested him again, and De Aza made the kind of leaping catch he was trying for the first time around.
*Every White Sox hitter reached base.
Record: 76-79 | Box score | Play-by-play
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De Aza has been really fun to watch, on top of it all.
His game is what I think we all wish our other CFer had given us.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
De Aza should be...
the starting center fielder next year. If Rios is still on the roster (as is expected) move him to right field. Say goodbye to Quentin and start Viciedo in left.
Was the Stanley Cup actually a dream? It already seems like a lifetime ago.
by TrickyDickAllen on Sep 22, 2011 12:34 AM CDT reply actions
I think there will be a "competition" between De Aza and Viciedo for the LF job
I think that’s the best way to protect the egos of Dunn and Rios.
But in truth, I think if either Dunn or Rios falters again, I hope their jobs are taken by Viciedo or De Aza, respectively.
based on comments from dunn
i don’t think that’s of concern to him. even tough he’s played like shit, luckily his attitude was a non-issue.
and FAR, seriously, the only reason why he will still be on the roster next year is b/c of his contract
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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Sep 22, 2011 3:44 AM CDT up reply actions
though no tough
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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Sep 22, 2011 3:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Even if none of the OF/DH/1B are traded...
i.e. Quentin, I still think there’s enough AB’s to go around there. Split time in the 3 OF spots and DH between Rios, Q, De Aza, Viciedo and Dunn. That’s about 2600 PA’s between 5 guys, which should be manageable (plus Viciedo or Dunn occasionally spelling Konerko).
I’d have confidence in this happening if they get a better manager, but heck even Ozzie managed this down the stretch after they acquired Griffey.
I'd prefer Dunn get his shit together and take all his DH abs
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
This.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 22, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Obviously we'd all prefer that...
but expect it would be pretty foolish.
by polodude017 on Sep 22, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
I honestly don't know what to expect from Dunn next year.
But I’d probably be more inclined to go into next season expecting him to produce. The greater sin this season imo was the unwillingness to let him go after a reasonable amount of time had passed. I don’t believe the leash will be as long next year.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
I don't know about that.
Certainly, our collective projections for Dunn will be scaled back from what they were going into 2011. But provided he comes to ST in decent (read: better) shape and given history, it’s illogical to expect another completely dead season from him. I know players with similar skill sets can have a quick decline, but the my internal optimism refuses to allow me to believe he can’t hit at least 25-30 hrs next year.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 22, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
I think a lot of people, and I'm not targeting you guys here, we just happen to be the ones discussing this,
are making the mistake of looking at this season as Dunn’s first off one. I would make the contention that 2010 was actually where his slide first occurred. His K and BB rates went wildly in the wrong directions, but it was masked by a .330 BABIP. I don’t know exactly what that line would look like if you regressed it back to a .300 BABIP, but I have a feeling it would look a lot like his 2011 line if you adjusted that to include a .300 BABIP (without the power of course).
There’s a big difference between one season that stands out around the others and a two season slide in the wrong direction, at least in my mind. Obviously I’m expecting a rebound, but to what degree I’m just not sure. It’s hard to be positive when you look at that K rate and his overall inability to make contact, especially hard contact, especially hard contact that lands in fair territory.
He needs to get in shape yes, but he also needs some serious work on his swing. Hopefully some lost wait will bring back some bat speed, I’m not sure if that’s a logical conclusion, I’m not an expert on mechanics.
by polodude017 on Sep 22, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
the difference between his .330 and his .300 is ten hits.
let me know how that would change a .260/.356/.536 to a lot like .166/.295/.289.
I didn't say it would.
I said it would make it look a lot like his 2011 line if you adjusted for BABIP as well and ignore the power, i.e. average and OBP.
by polodude017 on Sep 22, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
And I wasn't implying that they would be the same...
simply that that 2010 line would look at lot more like 2011 than the previous year. Again, ignoring the power.
by polodude017 on Sep 22, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
So assuming a .300 BABIP in 2010, what would his OBP have been?
Because it was already well below his career norm.
you need this to be spoonfed to you?
why don’t you break out that calculator on your desktop and do a little subtraction and division.
too bad there isn't an expansion draft this year...
Leave all those bad contracts unprotected.
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2012 Outfield
I really like Trickydick’s suggestion of Viciedo, De Aza & Rios in left, center & right for next year. Much better defense than having Rios in CF. Any thoughts on trying a package trade of Danks & Rios to someone during the winter???
Wouldn't that basically just be Teahen and Jackson but on a much larger scale?
By throwing in Rios, you are basically canceling out Danks’ value.
by polodude017 on Sep 22, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
103rd time: rios can't be traded.
danks is under team control for one more season. they would need about eight john danks to make such a trade work.
Are you sure it wasn't the 104th time?
When I win the lottery I’ll make an offer to Jerry – I’ll pay Rios if you cut him.
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
Who would you honestly rather have starting next year
Sale or Buerhle?
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
This, all day long.
"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!
by winningugly on Sep 22, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm a little uneasy.
Yes I think MB is a better pitcher next year but a few things have my brain spinning. I’m more confident in Humber as a legitimate starter next year and I worry about the price tag for Mark.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Next year.
You didn’t say “next year and for 2-4 years after that”.
"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!
by winningugly on Sep 22, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Sore subject.
The Feds seized his winnings.
"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!
by winningugly on Sep 22, 2011 11:59 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
would you let that go?
ultimately I lost very little.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Yes i didn't ask my question properly
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Wait, I thought it was Buehrle vs. Sale.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 22, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
It is.
What I was getting at was my increased confidence in Humber made me a little more willing to roll the dice on Sale right away. I want a competitive team next year and know cuts have to be made. I expected you guys to read my mind.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
I agree with this completely.
I’d also add that if Reed and Stewart can hold down the right side of the pen, along with Santos, Crain is a movable part.
by polodude017 on Sep 22, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
humber scares the crap out of me.
dude is a line drive magnet and can’t seem to defend himself.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
something tells me that will be worked on for next year.
I always thought he was a bit too off balance after delivering the ball.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
i never thought it was so much the position he winds up in
as the fact that once he releases the ball he seems to move in slow motion.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
I still expect the team to be competitive next year.
No team in the division is going to run away and hide.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 22, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
They are 27 million under where they were last year
Playoff money infusion too. They could go after a free agent or two. Guillen, Mags, Valverde, Young, Penny, Zumaya, Santiago and Betemit come off the books…Albeit they have to sign alot of young talent.
Verlanders going to want bank in arbitration
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
$80 million contract AND he gets arbitration?
I want his agent.
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by Jim Margalus on Sep 22, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I wanna work for Dombrowski.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 22, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
oy
i need to check my facts. where is craig?
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
They certainly have more payroll flexibility than we do.
Can’t believe Verlander will have a similar year as this one, though. And their pitching isn’t that great.
"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!
they will probably grab a starter
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
I heard Buehrle has always wanted to pitch for Detroit and feels that he missed out on playing for Gene Lamont.
You see the person who murdered my brothers sisters Uncle’s nannys german exchange student has a buddy she went to middleschool withs father’s distant cousin quince-removed mops the floors in the sauna at the Cell.
and they do get Fister for the whole year
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
colin just got an erection.
"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!
by winningugly on Sep 22, 2011 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
more competitive means sale as a starter and humber in the bullpen
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
I don't agree with that
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
you think Sale will go to the minors to work stretching out as a starter and refine his secondary pitches?
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
goody
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
really?
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
Yes really.
I love Sale long term but I think you underestimate Humber’s underlying stats.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
i think you've officially taken the Humber love too far
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
You need to stop with the independent thought, son
You need to get back to toeing(towing) the collective company line.
"Yes I think MB is a better pitcher next year but a few things have my brain spinning."
Agreed. Next year I have no doubt Buehrle would outperform Sale. But when taking money and the long-term into account, I’m just not sure that’s the right decision.
by polodude017 on Sep 22, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
both
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