Ozzie Guillen said he's going to Florida ... and then he didn't
by Jim Margalus on Sep 26, 2011 10:28 PM CDT
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PrintWhile Ozzie Guillen said he didn't know about his next move, his MLB.com blog said otherwise.
In a blog entry dated Sept. 27, 2.28 a.m., Guillen wrote a blog post titled "Time to move on," and it ended with these two paragraphs:
Chicago will ALWAYS be my home and I will forever love the fans for the support they have shown me and my family throughout my career, and I look forward to that continuing in the future. I made no secret that my desire was always to spend my entire managerial career with the White Sox, but there comes a point when you need to move on, and that point has come. The Florida Marlins believe I am the right man for the job to bring another World Series to South Florida. And just as it has always been with me, winning is my only mission.
It’s good being wanted, and more importantly it’s good knowing where you stand. Although it’s sad my time with the White Sox has ended, I can’t tell you how thrilled I am to be a part of the Marlins organization. I have an unbelievable amount of respect for the Marlins, owner Jeffrey Loria, president Larry Beinfest, and general manager Michael Hill. I can’t thank them enough for this opportunity and look forward to the future. I can’t wait to get started!
The post has since been removed, and Guillen played dumb more than once when asked specifically about the Florida rumor during his press conference. But Jon Morosi reported on Twitter that Guillen's new contract will be for three years.
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Well it's official now, per whitesox.com.
Go to the site yourself, lest I be da man.
"That baseball is the smartest thing out on that field." —Hawk Harrelson
So we hold on to his rights for compensation..
Any idea if Logan Morrison is a possibility or is that way too optimistic?
by Grinder in Training on Sep 26, 2011 10:37 PM CDT reply actions
thinking that sounds too optimistic
ESPN sent me a text saying that we got 2 minor leaguers
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Sep 26, 2011 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
fair enough.. I have no clue what the value of a manager is
Particularly one on the outs anyways. Was hoping Morrison’s issues might help.
by Grinder in Training on Sep 26, 2011 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
In my estimation, the value of a manager can't be more than a a win or two, and I think all in all Ozzie was probably about average.
Any player who contributes anything would be a win in that case, no? And a guy like Lomo who is legitimately good (if a 1B rather than the OF he’d likely play) under team control on a rookie contract then has WAY more value than any manager in terms of winning games. Pretty much any manager-for-player deal without a big contract involved would seem to be a no-brainer win for the team getting the player to me.
by mechanical turk on Sep 26, 2011 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
ha! but that guy ages too fast
"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."
by BobbySouthSide on Sep 26, 2011 10:56 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Ozzie was above average
Lasted 8 years, 600+ wins, one World Series title – we will be lucky if our next manager does as well.
This is not an easy town in which to manage…
Baseball is life.
by elgonzo4sox on Sep 26, 2011 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
so you think he should have got an extension?
the team did all that, yes. how many of those 600 Ws were the direct result of Ozzie?
All of em.
None of the losses were though.
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by U-God on Sep 26, 2011 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
not bad to say he was pooty goo.
beats good riddance or warnings of things hitting asses, in my book.
here's the thing though- he didn't want to be a lame duck next year
so instead he was a lame duck this year and forced his way out.
that leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
i dont know man
those line ups this year seemed detrimental to everything humane and decent.
by e-gus on Sep 26, 2011 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
You'll be just as mad at the next manager's line ups
If Dunn, Rios and Beckham don’t hit…
Baseball is life.
by elgonzo4sox on Sep 26, 2011 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions
No, I didn't say he deserved an extension
Just that he’s an above average manager.
I hope our next manager is here 8 years, posts 600+ wins, and leads us to a World Series title.
Baseball is life.
by elgonzo4sox on Sep 26, 2011 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
heyman said that's out
It will be something minimal.
Probably the rights to Jack Mckeon.
"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."
by BobbySouthSide on Sep 26, 2011 10:38 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
The Marlins also know the situation here
They don’t have to offer us much, it sounds like everyone here thinks this is the best option.
Williams said "something is in place"
Morosi had reported 2 minor leaguers during the game. We’ll know soon.
Heyman says Cooper's staying:
excellent white sox pitching coach don cooper is staying with team. its a win-win nite for #chisox
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by Jim Margalus on Sep 26, 2011 10:50 PM CDT reply actions 6 recs
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
by blackoutsox on Sep 26, 2011 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions
CSN interviewing Frank while showing tapes of Ozzie hitting home runs.
Easily the weirdest part of the night.
I vote for Harold Baines, the anti-Ozzie
Maybe we can get 8 years of peace and quiet.
"Alex is our best option right now." - Ozzie Guillen answering the media regarding Alex Rios continually batting clean-up (8/31/11)
he has no managerial experience
How could it be a good idea to make our first base coach our manager
But not a manager.
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"fuck nick swisher"
always works.
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If they don't get better? Kenny Williams.
This is his team, from the barren farm system to the years committed to Rios & Dunn, to the return of Zach Stewart for Daniel Hudson.
looked like he hadn't slept in a month
other than the recent activity, what the fuck does he need to do that keeps him up at night? he should have been golfing 5 times a week for the last month.
well he did spend a ton of his bosses money
on something that hasn’t worked out, at least so far and knows that he is on a short leash himself
KW is suffering from the famous Chinese curse...
…he got what he was wishing for…
Baseball is life.
by elgonzo4sox on Sep 26, 2011 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Sigh...
Despite the way this season went I can’t help but feel sad about this (especially the way it went down)…and why the hell do I have tickets to the last game now?? We’ll miss you Ozzie
by pkftw on Sep 26, 2011 11:15 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
i'm going to the next two games. it will be wonderful not having to see ozzie.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
I thought he was "always going to have a place in Chicago"
I don’t get the negativity towards him right now. He is leaving, that is what we want. I don’t think there is any reason to personally dislike the guy.
he will have a place in chicago.
and i already stated i wouldn’t be surprised at all if he is managing the sox again before i am 40 years old. but i’ve been calling for ozzie’s head since august of 2006. and after this season it is a treat that he is gone.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
fair enough
I also agree that he could very well come back here. I actually feel like that is very likely to be honest.
It's Dave Martinez's birthday.
Weird.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
...considering his history with Ryne Sandberg...
…the cross-town classic can take on a whole other level of meaning.
really 2-3 years ago there was like a 1% chance of mike stanton for ozzie?
was he name really floated even in the loosest terms way back when he was 18-19 years old?
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Sep 26, 2011 11:28 PM CDT reply actions
There was a 0 percent chance for Mike Stanton.
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by Jim Margalus on Sep 26, 2011 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions
hawk on comcast. pretty good.
says ozzie changed the last few years. he was more subdued… a team with no strong presence will take on the personality of the manager.
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says ozzie was wrong for issuing ultimatum on contract.
bad mistake and horrible to the players.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
now he's rah rahing for next year.
says dunn told him he’s going to be comeback player of the year next year.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
yeah that was interesting
I did not know Hawk had one himself. I do think that Dunn is going to return to at least close to form next year. I would think this is far more likely. But we have all gone over this many times.
I like Ozzie
as we all do, for bringing a championship to our part of the country. He was the only reason we even got mentioned on SportsCenter every now and then. However he didn’t look like he was emotionally with this team anymore, so maybe this was as good a time as any to pull the plug.
I wonder if our new manager will be able get any hits with RISP?
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
What I don't understand is ...
How can people look at the last 3 seasons and consider his tenure satisfactory. He was directly involved in player personnel decisions. This is is top 5 in payroll and still hasn’t managed to be anything beyond a third-tier team in the league. We are far from elite, we’re not even good.
His tenure was 8 years, not 3
Baseball is life.
by elgonzo4sox on Sep 26, 2011 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Most teams do not remain in contention almost every year
Finishing below 3rd only twice with a World Series over 8 years is pretty damn good in my opinion. This doesn’t happen in most places.
Phil Rogers taking swipes at KW
Said that this team is playing as well as its talent will allow it too. Come on.
that is not true at all
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by blackoutsox on Sep 26, 2011 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Well Phil Rogers is a complete idiot so its not a surprise
Its far from the first time he has gone after Kenny
but he's heard of pythagorean record!
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
I guess he choses to ignore all other forms of prediction and other analysts
If he doesn’t agree with it, it must be incorrect.
rogers named larussa, buddy bell, sandy alomar and dave martinez
as possibilites. that mean we will not get any of them.
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id take 3 of them.
and the one i wouldn’t take rhymes with muddy smell
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alomar is an interesting one
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
by blackoutsox on Sep 27, 2011 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions
ozzie was a 3rd base coach. same thing. i think alomar is a very smart guy.
and catchers usually make very good managers.
yes we know about the larussa stuff.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
I don't like any of those.
So I’m glad Rogers is reporting it.
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ozzie retrospective on comcast
garfein “high payroll combined with low attendance…”
nice.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
One hour, 20 minutes before other outlets reported this.
Whales! Squids! Sharks! They're everywhere! Hello, I am Poseidon! Now, when people told me I was crazy that thinly sliced roast beef would be a delicious fast-food option, I knew it was the greatest idea, and you can thank me later for Arby's.
by Jim Margalus on Sep 26, 2011 11:55 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Front page. Add 7 minutes for Turk Time.
But Brett did slide a reference to it in his gamer 30 minutes after — and gave a hat-tip to Larry on Twitter.
Whales! Squids! Sharks! They're everywhere! Hello, I am Poseidon! Now, when people told me I was crazy that thinly sliced roast beef would be a delicious fast-food option, I knew it was the greatest idea, and you can thank me later for Arby's.
by Jim Margalus on Sep 27, 2011 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Idiot on the score right now claiming credit for breaking the story,
still saying there is nothing official about Florida.
"That might be how you roll at Camp Anawanna, Budnick. But where I come from, we only salute Old Glory." -moroots on May 23rd
by South Side Expat on Sep 27, 2011 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions
David Schuster=Jim
Don’t you know that…
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Yep
He’s also saying “nothing is official with Florida” and that Ozzie is going to have “3 homes now”
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Well he will have three different places he stays at
He will stay in Chicago when not working. He said this was his home. Maybe nothing is official with Florida, we do not know for sure. But it does seem like it is.
Can't pass this one up
larry
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by Kyle321N on Sep 27, 2011 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You da man, Jim
Good scoop -we all saw it.
Baseball is life.
by elgonzo4sox on Sep 26, 2011 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not so much claiming credit for SSS, because somebody might've beaten us.
I’m more curious about why/how other media are slow slow to respond to it. It’s a big slip-up.
Whales! Squids! Sharks! They're everywhere! Hello, I am Poseidon! Now, when people told me I was crazy that thinly sliced roast beef would be a delicious fast-food option, I knew it was the greatest idea, and you can thank me later for Arby's.
by Jim Margalus on Sep 27, 2011 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions
i'm pretty sure oney writes those things for him.
he probably hit publish on accident. lol
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
No one that kid put something that coherent together.
"That might be how you roll at Camp Anawanna, Budnick. But where I come from, we only salute Old Glory." -moroots on May 23rd
by South Side Expat on Sep 27, 2011 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Uggg... no way, that is. Okay, time for bed.
"That might be how you roll at Camp Anawanna, Budnick. But where I come from, we only salute Old Glory." -moroots on May 23rd
by South Side Expat on Sep 27, 2011 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions
that was also coherent
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
by blackoutsox on Sep 27, 2011 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions
In curiosity about the same thing, I did a twitter search after the blog post disappeared, and the only thing I found was larry.
No one outside of SSS seemed to pick up on it until this front page post went up. Not that twitter is super definitive, but news does travel there faster than an earthquake.
by mechanical turk on Sep 27, 2011 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions
David Haugh got to the bottom of it!
Apparently tweep @Ten_Foot_Midget also has screen grab of Ozzie’s “announcement” that he’s Marlins mgr. Nice work, Ten-Foot.
Apparently this guy’s feeling pretty good about himself for getting the “scoop.”
35 minutes ago.
Whales! Squids! Sharks! They're everywhere! Hello, I am Poseidon! Now, when people told me I was crazy that thinly sliced roast beef would be a delicious fast-food option, I knew it was the greatest idea, and you can thank me later for Arby's.
by Jim Margalus on Sep 27, 2011 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Gapers Block has already linked to your post.
http://gapersblock.com/merge/archives/2011/09/27/farewell-to-ozzie/
"That might be how you roll at Camp Anawanna, Budnick. But where I come from, we only salute Old Glory." -moroots on May 23rd
by South Side Expat on Sep 27, 2011 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions
he calls us a random blog
whatever happened to being the 8th best baseball blog out there?
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
KenWo better watch out
Jim’s making a grab for the ratings
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
by blackoutsox on Sep 27, 2011 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions
I will miss Ozzie's rants
I really enjoyed his final presser and I think he looked really good and did a pooty goo job of expressing what happened. He was also a good manager for our pitching staff. I think his hitters under achieved in his tenure, so here’s to our next manager getting the most out of our hitters. 2005 will always be my favorite year in professional sports and I would first like to thank Ozzie for that.
I think Kenny is just waiting for the other shoe to drop. Kenny looked beleaguered and tired. His restaurant must not be doing well. That press conference was terrible for him. “We have a short list of managers, we’ve been gathering it since last year and we’ve been shopping around for managers for a year now. Oh that’s right Ozzie was our manager during that period, whoops.” I wouldn’t be surprised if Kenny’s good bye press conference with Jerry and Rick sitting next to him is later this week.
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didn't frank thomas use 'black rob - woah' as his at bat music?
i just heard the replay of his comments to csn and he said when he first heard about it he was ‘like, woah.’
I cannot remember but that will be awesome
and he kept saying “woah” all over. Sounded open to the idea of being the Sox hitting coach
I would enjoy that.
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i wouldn't. it would end terribly.
the fans would turn on him. id have to punch someone.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
harold is the billy williams of the sox. he'll have a job for life.
a lot of people don’t care for frank. everything is sunshine and rainbows now that he retired and all of that… but i would be willing to bet that if things didn’t go right (and with a hitting coach they never do) people would jump ship on him.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
plus hes too much of a natural hitter
he wouldn’t know anything mechanically
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
by blackoutsox on Sep 27, 2011 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions
nonsense, he is the perfect hitting coach.
he worked the count better than anyone before or since on the team. its not like we are suggesting vlad guerrerro.
Fire Frank Thomas?
I could never ever imagine saying that. But we’ll see what shakes out.
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I thought the same thing
It might take longer than usual, but when a team goes bad lots of people blame the coachs.
Pleasepleasepleasepleasepleaseplease
Be true (I know it’s not)
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or, perhaps i should say, the guillen kids won't give him info that get from their father.
by larry on Sep 27, 2011 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
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