Ozzie Guillen is out, so what happens now?
Ozzie Guillen got his wish on Monday night, telling us he'll be on his way to the Florida Marlins. Apparently, all that remains is the White Sox agreeing on a player or two from the Marlins' system in return.
We'll be reflecting on Guillen's tenure throughout the week, but setting the emotional impact of his departure aside for the moment, let's take a look at the question marks he leaves in his wake.
Compensation
There's no official word yet, but MLB.com reporter Jesse Sanchez has a source saying the Sox get infielder Ozzie Martinez and a minor-league pitcher. Martinez looks like fringy middle-infield depth at this point, based on his underwhelming performance at Triple-A New Orleans as a 23-year-old.
Due to a lack of depth in the Florida system, Baseball America called Martinez the fifth-best prospect in the Marlins' system prior to the season, noting that he took three bullets in a drive-by shooting in September of 2009. John Sickels gave him a C+ before the season, and thought it might've been too kind afterward. Kevin Goldstein was his biggest fan, calling him a three-star prospect before the season.
UPDATE: The other player involved is Jahn Marinez, a hard-throwing, erratic 23-year-old right-handed reliever.
Coaches
Don Cooper: Staying.
So sayeth SI.com's Jon Heyman, which was to be expected. Cooper has been with the White Sox in various capacities since 1988, and he survived the previous managerial transition from Jerry Manuel to Guillen.
That Cooper is staying could mean that Tony La Russa isn't really a possibility, since La Russa would likely bring Dave Duncan wherever he goes.
Joey Cora: Hanging around, then leaving.
Scott Merkin tweeted that Cora will manage the final two games in place of Guillen. After the season, FoxSports.com's Jon Morosi said Cora will join Guillen in Florida ... provided Cora doesn't get any job offers, himself.
The rest: Nobody knows.
But considering Kenny Williams won the "Ozzie or Me" war with Jerry Reinsdorf while Walker lost his staunchest defender, I'm guessing the Sox will have a new hitting coach at the very least.
Replacements
In his press conference, Williams said that Guillen telegraphed his exit well enough to allow the Sox to think about replacements, and Brett Ballantini expects the Sox to strike before the end of the World Series.
What names have popped up?
Buddy Bell: If so, he'd be lying to us.
During a conference call back in May, U-God was quite prescient in asking Bell about whether he'd like to manage again. Bell's response was quite declarative:
MP: When you left the Royals back in 2007, you said that part of it was you wanted to spend more time with your family. If you were ever offered another shot at managing a major league team, would you take it?
BB: (damn near instantly and emphatically) No. No, and I have had unofficial talks with other people in other organizations, but no. First of all, I like where I'm at too much and I like the people I'm working with so I'm good where I'm at. I'm almost 60 years old, it's not that I'm too old, but when I manage I like to throw BP and hit fungoes (fungos?) and things like that but my body's kind of falling apart and I couldn't do it the way I'd want to do it.
Now, it's quite possible that Bell could change his mind -- a pretty face (or job) can make a man do things he never thought he'd do. But given that Scot Gregor, Phil Rogers and now Doug Padilla have thrown Bell's name into the ring without any statements to the contrary, I'm guessing it's just a suggestion out of convenience. It makes sense on a simple level -- He's in the organization! He's a former manager! And there you have it.
Rogers went further than Gregor, saying "He wants to manage a team that has a shot to win." Is that real, or just Rogers projecting? Until there's more behind it, I'm still going to go with what we heard straight from the source. But hey, as Gregor would say, we're just "blog guys."
Tony La Russa: Can't see it ... and let's pray it doesn't happen.
Say what you will about La Russa, but his teams win. And if you want pitchers to throw at hitters, he's your guy. But man, his teams are hard to watch, and his whining -- even though it may be strategically sound -- is hard to tolerate. And if you like your young players to roam the diamond wild and free, he's not your guy.
Aesthetics aside, he would be another strong personality when Williams just got rid of one. Plus, as I said before, if the Sox are set on keeping Cooper, I don't think La Russa would let Duncan go elsewhere, and I wouldn't fault him for preferring his guy.
And now we've reached the guys who haven't managed in the big leagues before, and so we can only project what they might be like....
Dave Martinez: The guy I like the most, for what little I know.
Martinez can grow a fantastic beard, has White Sox ties, and he's the bench coach for Joe Maddon, who might be the manager who impresses me the most. Martinez is well-respected, and regarded as a future skipper. Really, he shared the same profile as Guillen at this stage in his career, as Ozzie never managed in the minors, but learned well under Bobby Cox and Jack McKeon.
Sandy Alomar Jr.: Williams might acquire him out of habit.
Williams regarded Alomar highly enough to bring him to the South Side on three separate occasions, and this could be a fourth. He's one of those guys who was considered a field general and manager-to-be in his playing days. This sort of thing happens to catchers.
Ryne Sandberg: Faking an announcement would be funnier.
The only reason I'd like to see Sandberg hired is because I'm curious about the reaction it would receive. But whenever I hear Sandberg talk, he strikes me as an "Old School is Good School" guy. Throw in his National Leagueness, and I'd expect that bunting would rule the day.
Joe McEwing: Honk if you like bunting.
McEwing is the Charlotte Knights' manager, and the Knights have seen a surge in sacrifices, as 3E8 has pointed out. That's not to say he's entirely responsible -- after all, the Knights went from the fewest bunts to the most under Chris Chambliss, who preceded McEwing, so McEwing may only be carrying out an institutional policy.
That said, given McEwing's profile -- a scrappy utility player named Super Joe who grindered his way into managers' hearts in the National League -- I'm guessing he's not opposed to giving up outs.
On the plus side, he has overseen the development of Brent Morel, the turnaround of Tyler Flowers, and the emergence of Alejandro De Aza as a capable everyday player, so if you want more kids involved, he would be your guy.
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I agree with you about Dave Martinez
I wonder what he did between retiring in ‘01 and becoming Maddon’s bench coach 5 years later.
Four kids probably kept him busy.
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by Jim Margalus on Sep 27, 2011 2:44 AM CDT up reply actions
With no reasons apparently and based on what I read above and some other websites
I like Joe McEwing and Dave Martinez. I don’t know if they will become good managers though. Good managers are scarce, and it is not all baseball acumen but also gain leadership and respect in an environment with very rich athletes. I know Guillen is (albeit this season) a very good manager, and I will sorely miss him. We will see. One thing is for sure. KW is naked. He has no one to share the blame for his last trades/signings that has not worked out (Rios, Teahen, Dunn, No-Thome, Peavy, Ohman, No-Garcia, Jackson).
We're looking at a career winning percentage barely above that of Jerry Manuel while he was here.
Good manager? Yeah, that’s fair. Very good? Starting to stretch it.
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I think at a point
You could definitely call him very good. His later years gave back quite a bit imo. He regressed offensively, perhaps an over reaction to personel or his deep down desires.
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by Tdogg on Sep 27, 2011 9:35 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I mean, let's look at the simple breakdown.
2004: 83-79, average year
2005: 99-63 with a WS championship, great year
2006: 90-72, good year
2007: 72-90, awful year
2008: 89-74 with a division crown, good year
2009: 79-83, bad year
2010: 88-74, good year
2011: 77-82, bad year
I can’t consider any season under .500 to be anything better than a bad year. That gives us: 1 great season, 2 good seasons, 1 average season, 2 bad seasons, and 1 awful season.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
nitpicky, I know
But I would consider anything less than the post-season “average” (as in last season)
It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes...it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.
i think 88-90 wins qualifies as good/above average...that's just me though
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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Sep 27, 2011 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions
The tally at the end is the only thing that was off.
As I clearly labeled the 88 and 90 win seasons as good.
1 great season, 3 good years, 1 average years, 2 bad years, 1 awful year.
Ozzie was above-average. He was not great.
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Omar is going to be the starting SS for Miami next year
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Sox, Colts, and Hawks.
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You're probably right, but I hope it's Martinez.
So I can live my dream of a Chicago Rays team.
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 27, 2011 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Love for the Sox
to play like the Rays – We can only hope.
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I think we need to draft like them first
by Yinka Double Dare on Sep 27, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Which would mean we need to suck ass for a long time.
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They've still managed to draft well since getting to the WS three years ago.
I don’t discount the unmatched levels of suck they went through to get guys like Longoria, but they’ve proven they can maintain their drafting success with Major League success. I really don’t see why it’s so hard for the Sox to match what they do, especially since we don’t have the Yankees or Red Sox in our division.
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Sep 27, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Sort of
Matt Moore, Desmond Jennings, James Shields, Jeremy Hellickson, and others weren’t exactly high first-rounders. Maybe they’re just getting lucky, but they seem to have a lot more success drafting than the Sox have.
And it appears we blew our chance at a high first rounder cornerstone guy with Beckham, although I don’t think anyone thought that was a bad pick. Maybe he’ll turn it around.
by Yinka Double Dare on Sep 27, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
This.
"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!
by winningugly on Sep 27, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
extend adam dunn!
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
Which the White Sox cannot afford
Frankly, I like competing. I don’t care who we win with, as long as we win.
Stone Pony just put him at the top of his list on The Score
"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."
by BobbySouthSide on Sep 27, 2011 8:13 AM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
My vote is for Martinez
Bell is a retread with a proven record of mediocrity. His KC teams were awful. He sold KW on Teahan. Why does he deserve a shot?
McEwing seems not to appreciate the value of an out. We’ve seen enough mindless 1968 NL offensive baseball the last few years. It doesn’t work.
Alomar hasn’t shown enough to be given the team.
Sandberg probably only mentioned because of the finger in the eye it would be to Cub fans.
LaRussa seems a long shot & a risk for KW. Does he want a big personality, know it all with close ties to Jerry in the club house?
Martinez should bring a modern, data driven approach if he learned anything from Maddon. He was in TB when then went from laughingstock franchise to one on verge of making playoffs 3 straight years vs big boys of the AL east.
Coop to sign 4-year extension per Mully/Hanley
"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."
by BobbySouthSide on Sep 27, 2011 8:15 AM CDT via iPhone app reply actions
Ozzie's parting gift to Coop.
"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!
by winningugly on Sep 27, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't Ozzie call Coop "Kenny's Bitch"? At the roast?
That is what I heard earlier today according to Matt Speigel. That roast was such an embarrassment.
What about Cora?
I know the standard thought would be a shake-up of some sort from the squad that’s been underperforming the past few years, but despite his faults Guillen was a good manager in a lot of ways. If Cora learned to manage the staff like Ozzie over the past few years and is likely possible for two of the best defensive middle infielders in the league, I’d be more than happy with him.
cora is ozzie. ozzie is cora
we’d gain nothing. just lose a mouth.
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Yeah, I'm not sure that's a bad thing
As Jim writes:
I’m only sad about what Guillen could have been. His time with the White Sox was an undeniable success, and he still has the tools to be an outstanding manager, especially with the way he can push and pull pitchers.A non-tantalizing Guillen? Yes please.
I understand wanting to see if the grass is greener with some other managers, and as I mentioned in my original post that a shake-up would seem logical and necessary. Just that I’d be perfectly content with a mouthless Ozzie.
Cora is totally loyal to Ozzie
Not going to happen. Especially now that we know he was not invited to the park today. Maybe some shit went down last night.
Seller's remorse for me
I sincerely hope the White Sox take their time and get the right man for this job. I don’t want LaRussa for the same reasons Jim stated above. Sandberg intrigues me: wouldn’t it be great to get a Cub guy and have him bring success to the southside? Does Alomar have enough experience?
I agree with how Hawk put it after he announced Ozzie’s departure, [it’s time for a change]. I don’t recall his exact words, but as it’s been stated here over and again, this season was not Guillen’s best.
I don’t have any clue who’s next. But at the very least, it must be a guy who can get the most out of his players. I’m happy to hear Cooper is staying because that’s huge. Now, all the new guy needs to get the hitters to hit!
It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes...it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.
Does Alomar have enough experience?
Did Ozzie?
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SA, Jr is already on several teams' short lists
Up for the Blue Jays job last year.
What?! I ain't no Professor Pickles!
Yup.
He’s had just as much experience coaching as Ozzie did when we hired him. He’s not my preferred choice (to be revealed with many others Thursday), but he’s not one I’d be upset about.
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don't confuse my questioning with being upset
again, the only one I wouldn’t like based on Jim’s list is LaRussa. And probably McEwing…
Looking forward to your list.
It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes...it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.
True
BUT, I want to be careful NOT to go backwards from where the Sox are today.
It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes...it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.
He played with the veterans who run the clubhouse.
It would be a lateral move at worst.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
perhaps
but are we OK with lateral? I don’t want to watch the same BS team we saw this year in 2012. That’s not a knock on Alomar, but wouldn’t we be talking lame duck for at least next year?
It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes...it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.
That is not what the term lame duck means.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
fixed
but wouldn’t we be talking lame duck more of the same for at least next year?
It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes...it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.
I doubt a first year manager is going to be stubborn enough to keep hitting Dunn and Rios 4th.
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I sure as hell hope not
First, we can all agree Dunn & Rios cannot suck, bottom line. Whoever it is must get the most out of all the players. Is Alomar that guy? I don’t know. That’s all I’m pointing out.
What I’m saying is I don’t want to see another below .500 team.
It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes...it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.
The manager only has relatively limited influence on this, though
Whoever it is, they’re going to be stuck with many/most of the same problems.
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
that's for sure
and really that would have been the same if Ozzie did stay, no doubt. I’m worried as hell as to where this team is next year, but I’m hopful this change will be good.
It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes...it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.
Change is beautiful.

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by U-God on Sep 27, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
can he manage the cleanup position?
"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112
I don't think Ryne is anywhere near a guarantee to bring success
But I agree, I really hope the Sox take their time. Its hard, because we all know that Ozzie was burned out, and I doubt that an extension would light a new fire under him. But of course, we could end up in a position where we end up missing Ozzie.
On list, I love Martinez and like Alomar
The fantasy is Francona getting fired in Boston. On that staff I think last year DeMarlo Hale and even Tim Bogar drew some interest.
Scioscia’s staff seems to produce good managers so far, if you wanted to look there there’s Dino Ebel who’s been with him a few years.
If there’s anyone on the Yankee staff who’s picked up Girardi’s willingness to look at the numbers but wouldn’t recreate that sense that I’m watching serious over-managing, I’d be on board.
With the indications that the Sox have the field narrowed, it feels like either Alomar or McEwing.
Anyone else not overly impressed with Francona?
Or are we all forgetting/ignoring his four years in Philly?
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I'll cop to forgetting his Philly years
The halo from the Red Sox years clouded over how truly bad those teams were.
And on further consideration I don’t know that any of his Red Sox teams were the kind of over-achievers that get managers praised.
Still, I can’t think of anyone with managerial experience who even might be available who I’d be interested in outside of him.
i think most in boston forget/ignore the philly years
only recent performance matters
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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Sep 27, 2011 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
You don't remember those years, those teams were absolutely brutal
We know nothing of his management style then and if it had anything to do with those teams records…shit…Bruce Chen was their #5 in 2000.
i'll just add.
there’s something wrong with your front office when rico brogna is one of your highest paid players.
I actually like Francona
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by Tdogg on Sep 27, 2011 9:40 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't dislike him.
I just don’t see him as a savior. Granted, I don’t see any manager as a savior.
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to add on to a point i made below.
carl crawford was arguably francona’s rios this season. obviously francona has more better options so could be more comfortable acting sooner. but crawford batted in the top of the order until april 17 before francona dumped him to 8th.
april 17th?....april17th!?
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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Sep 27, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
On the train so couldn't respond
but I was headed this way. In my limited viewing of Red Sox affairs Francona has shown a willingness to do things like that. Earlier in his tenure Ozzie did too to an extent. I also like the way Francona has handled perceived off the field problems. I’d take him as a manger pretty quickly.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
are you implying that batter crawford at the top of the order for 2 weeks
was too long?
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when he wasn't performing it was absolutely the right move
plus- Francona was MJ’s manager in Birmingham!
I could think of several worse candidates if he were to become available.
Obviously this shows a stubbornness to only play veterans
How could you let MJ wallow around in RF when you have so many better prospects on the bench and in A ball.
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oh i hate him
not for the right reasons though
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Firing Francona would be a massive over-reaction by the BoSox
And we all know what has to happen for it to happen.
The fact Cooper is coming back is more important to me.
Our pitching coach and medical staff are clearly doing something right, as long as those guys are around, I feel like any average manager who still has his heart into it, has a decent chance to succeed here.
by Grinder in Training on Sep 27, 2011 8:56 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
It's all very exciting until you remember how little influence a manager actually has on wins and losses.
Give me somebody innovative or it’s gonna be the same old shit with a new face.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
oh, i think a manager can have a noticeable effect on the record. they sure can lose a lot of games for you with dumb decisions.
by larry on Sep 27, 2011 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
very much this
I think it’s overstated how little a manager has on a team’s record. Especially as you point out on the losing side.
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by Tdogg on Sep 27, 2011 9:42 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
i'll just cite
adam dunn and alex rios: -4 WAR. another manager probably would have stopped the bleeding at some point. or at least minimized it by not doing things like bat his worst hitters cleanup.
no one can know for sure
but i think ozzie continued to play them (even at cleanup) out of motivation to make kenny look bad…
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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Sep 27, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i don't think that's true.
guys in the majors want to win. probably more than anything. it would sure take a whole lot of animosity for an ultra-competitive person to deliberately sabotage his own chances to win.
plus
wouldn’t you think Ozzie would have gotten his extension had the Sox won the division this year? Top that with getting there through sucky hitting & Guillen has leverage IMO.
It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes...it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.
i'd agree with that
but to play devil’s advocate we were saying Dunn is going to turn it around for a couple months, Ozzie maybe just took that line as far as it could go maybe?
I don't think there is much defense
of Ozzie’s continued use of Dunn and Rios for well past 2 months with viable alternatives and in the middle of a pennant race.
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I would have said yes immediately
until I saw Konerko and to a lesser extent AJs interviews yesterday. You can really see how much KW and Ozzie was impacting the clubhouse. If KW and Ozzie could figure out how to get along better than yes.
and what you say makes total sense
i probably wouldn’t think so low of ozzie though if it wasn’t for that cowley fuck stirring shit up. good riddance to joe cowley i say, who is going to talk to him now?
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by onlysoxfaninbasel on Sep 27, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Compare WS winning Ozzie to the Ozzie of the past two years
Certainly luck has a massive impact as well, but still
this
me and my friend were just talking last night how we didn’t think a manager really meant that much to the game other than being the face of the team.
obviously ozzie lost his job from his skullheadedness in starting dunn and rios day after day thats on KW on not changing up the roster. I don’t suppose theres any chance on Hahn taking over this year now.
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
Guillen had opportunities to change the roster
He declined.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
kennys fault for giving him the opportunity
also, bad run on. oops.
Joe Buck is just White Noise to me. It’s like the game is being called by a CD of whale songs. - mechanical turk
Yes I do hold accountable for not forcing the issue.
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KW is on a short leash
Maybe next year. Grobstein suggested that LaRussa might be an option for GM though… not sure how relavent that is.
I hope its not McEwing
i don’t think a AAA manager will be good. look at the cubs with Quade, and the sox are in a similar situation with talented young players and bad contracts. it’s completely different down there. from this list I would be fine with Sandberg or Martinez
Liking Sandberg and disliking McEwing when they're both same minor league managers is curious
I also don’t get why people hold up Quade as proof that baseball lifers don’t work. He exists, but so does Ron Roenicke in Milwaukee. Or Joe Maddon. Those are guys who put in years in the minors and on major league benches before their chance to manage came.
I feel like for any profile there are cautionary tales and successful ones.
Here's a link to the Iron Pigs
Here’s a dubious excerpt:
In the end, it was a lack of situational hitting that proved to be the undoing of the 2011 IronPigs. The team struggled with runners in scoring position all season, and the Governors’ Cup Finals were no exception, as Brandon Moss was the only batter to record an RBI-hit with a runner in scoring position in the entire postseason.
The team went 1-34 total with runners in scoring position in the seven postseason games they played, resulting in a combined 14 hits over their final three games of the season- three straight losses to the eventual 2011 Governors’ Cup champion Clippers.
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to troll cub fans.
i can’t think of any other reason.
by obnoxious american on Sep 27, 2011 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
williams sure sounded like he had something lined-up already for a replacement
in the presser last night. if that’s true, that sounds like somebody in the Sox org already or somebody who is a free agent— not somebody coaching now for another org.
summed up nicely by dave schoenfield at espn
The offense collapsed this season, and while Ozzie can’t be completely blamed for the disastrous seasons from Adam Dunn and Alex Rios, he can perhaps be faulted for the regression of Gordon Beckham, his insistence on batting Juan Pierre leadoff, and his inability to find better solutions other than keeping Dunn and Rios out there day after day. When things go wrong, the best managers show some creativity; Ozzie seemed unable to come up with or try a Plan B.
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Highly underrated, Mark Kotsay became the best defensive designated hitter in American League history in 2010.
by onlysoxfaninbasel on Sep 27, 2011 9:28 AM CDT reply actions 5 recs
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For a team that struggled offensively, Guillen continued to give away outs in the form of bunts and caught stealings.
Guillen to me was a manager that didn’t do much. His job was to stay out of the way of the veterans and whe the veterans didn’t perform, Ozzie was clueless.
by striker on Sep 27, 2011 10:07 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Green.
"MY NAME IS YOANIS CESPEDEZ YOU KILLED MY FATHER" WHAT!
by winningugly on Sep 27, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I vote for Sandberg's bewildered, I-just-smelled-something-stinky, potato face.
Why buy the cow when the milk is kinda bitchy?
by SkanchoDanza on Sep 27, 2011 9:38 AM CDT via iPhone app reply actions
cartoonists make bad baseball decisions.
Why buy the cow when the milk is kinda bitchy?
by SkanchoDanza on Sep 27, 2011 9:39 AM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
This whole twitter thing with 10FootMidget of the Score is ridiculous
they refuse to give credit to Margalus for being the first one on this story because he didn’t post a screengrab…It is obvious Margalus had it because he posted the text verbatim…I know it doesn’t matter really but just another case where Jim and the guys are disrespected. 10FootMidget did admit to me last night that he got the lede from SSS and his editor wouldn’t run with it without an actual screengrab. Now Hoge and Midget are patting themselves on the back due to technicality. If Margalus hadn’t done a post on it maybe no one would have noticed.
yep.
i called him out on it and he said that we didn’t have a screen grab even though its obvious we had it.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
10FootMidget doesn't believe a tree makes a sound if it falls in a forest with no screengrab
White Sox 2011: The season of extraneous body parts.
i distributed it on twitter.
everyone else (except mechanical turk) can go fuck themselves. it’s my goddamn scoop.
by larry on Sep 27, 2011 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
wouldn't that mean its mechanical turks scoop? lol
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 27, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I credited Larry on twitter
and find it funny that Midget apparently was late enough into it that the timing was off (at last per Haugh’s tweets postgame). Clearly Larry sent this out while the game was still going on—I was reading the blog in the ninth—and had time to insert it into my quickie gamer as everyone else was scurrying downstairs.
Then once I realized that FLA was not addressed downstairs and it was hush-hush, the leaked blog (boy those Guillen kids have the touch…) became a much bigger issue.
2 members of White Sox brass also sent a screen grab to me, in case I hadn’t seen it.
BRAVO Larry/turks
by Chet Lemonhead on Sep 27, 2011 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Honestly
Fuck the Score.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
cowley has been on a while now.
spiegel said ozzie had been managing (sometimes) like he wanted to get fired. cowley’s response was that kenny has been doing his job like he wants to be fired.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
(and he also brought up dave wilder)
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
i don't understand what cowley's stake is in taking sides.
or at least in blathering about what his bias is every chance he gets. what’s the point.
by obnoxious american on Sep 27, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
the point was he had a leak...
and it was ozzie’s kid. like him or not (and i dont) but he broke a lot of stuff that turned out to be true. now his meal ticket is gone… so i would assume anti-everything sox next year.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
yeah, i understand that, i just wonder what's the point of continuing knowing it's over.
and he doesn’t like kenny, we get it, but what was the point of constantly talking shit. it was unprofessional, it just made him sound like an amateur.
by obnoxious american on Sep 27, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
because the story is still hot.
and if kenny makes the new hire which apparently he is going to… cowley will go all out mariotti on that duo.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
that would be humorous
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
i agree,this would be funny
considering all the formative years i spent getting trolled by that dumbass. it would be all lulz from here.
by obnoxious american on Sep 27, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
He is an amateur
He has lost his meal ticket and he knows it. He sucks as a writer. I will refer you to his attempt at a Blackhawks article last year as proof.
Cowley has gotta be done
He has nobody anymore. There is a discussion on the Score right now suggesting that Ozzie had to probably sign into an agreement that prevents him from leaking secrets about the organization. That makes sense.
Cowley is done at the Score too
All of those guys would have treated him like they treat Rogers if he didn’t have a deal with the station
White Sox Outsider 2012 should be fun.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Do people realize how difficult getting yourself into this situation is?
noting that he took three bullets in a drive-by shooting
Despite what our mass media wants us to think, this stuff is very rare. The only way this happens is if you are hanging out with the wrong people.
I want none of the above.
Gimme a greenback; Fresh. New. Young; (to management). Call Griffey Jr.
"There's too many (bleeping) guys on the computer. It's simple. I say that. Pete Rose never watched a computer. Rod Carew never did. All those hitters, they go out and see the ball, hit it and move on." - Ozzie
mother
f#c#r better wake the f#c* up.
"There's too many (bleeping) guys on the computer. It's simple. I say that. Pete Rose never watched a computer. Rod Carew never did. All those hitters, they go out and see the ball, hit it and move on." - Ozzie
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