Dayan Viciedo's non-contract year
Thanks to a blogger meet-up at U.S. Cellular Field back in 2009, we have literally known for years that even though Dayan Viciedo signed a four-year major-league contract, the White Sox have him under team control for six years. He has 123 days of service time, so assuming he doesn't reach Super Two status -- and the Sox are in pretty good shape -- he will be eligible for arbitration in 2015.
If you needed further confirmation, Scot Gregor had an anonymous source tell him the same thing in attempt to teach us something during our wackadoo back-and-forth over service time. I don't know why that needed an anonymous source. We identified ours as Rick Hahn.
Still, some people are fuzzy on the details. From Dave Van Dyck's story:
In some ways, this is a make-or-break season for Viciedo, who turns 23 in March. He is in the final year of the original four-year, $10 million deal he signed after leaving Cuba.
If he produces, he gets a big-time contract; if he struggles, his career will be in jeopardy and the Sox may decide that Cespedes or Soler is the future, if either signs with them."I don't put any pressure on myself like that," he said. "As for this being a contract year, I try not to think about that. If I start thinking about it, then you put too much pressure on yourself to be loose and do what you've been doing for so long."
Scott Merkin and Doug Padilla are clear on the details, so that's good. Remember: Friends don't let friends assume this is Dayan Viciedo's contract year.
During the conference call, Viciedo also said he made a recruitment effort with fellow Cuban defectors Yoennis Cespedes and Jorge Soler:
"There were no phone numbers given to me or anything coming from the organization," Viciedo said through manager of cultural development Jackson Miranda during a Tuesday afternoon conference call. "It's me reaching out to my fellow Cubans and wishing the best for them.
"They aren't signed yet, and I can't tell them which way to go. I can give them advice because it's a familiar situation for me. And I can tell them how much I would enjoy having them on this team and how good this organization really is. It would be a great fit if they came over and joined us."
Kevin Goldstein thinks the Sox are not in the money at the moment, identifying the Cubs and Marlins as the key contenders, and the Phillies third.

And on the subject of international signings, Mark Gonzales wrote the most in-depth piece on Marco Paddy to date for Baseball America.
It's behind a paywall, but it's a solid summary of their previous problems in the Caribbean, including their problem in getting respect from buscones, which Doug Laumann had mentioned. Kenny Williams echoed Laumann's earlier sentiments that it was going to be less about money and more about scouting in the future.
As for Paddy...
*He's known for his aggressiveness, and spoke of going after the best players in the market that "money can buy."
*He doesn't intend to clean house with the Latin American scouting department, but they do need to establish credibility as spenders in order to get respect from handlers.
This new CBA is so awesome.
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They apparently offered him 2 years/10 million, imagine that, old Rhubarb was right that they would try to shore up the bullpen with one more vet
Wood left 7 million on the table
http://www.csnchicago.com/blog/cubs-talk/post/Were-the-White-Sox-Kerry-Woods-fallback-?blockID=633220&feedID=661
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
that seems like a lot of money to spend on a reliever, when you're team is "rebuilding"
Packers Season
They got prospects for Santos and Frasor
Apparently, if the report is correct, cutting payroll wasn’t as important to them as getting prospects.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
Kerry Wood is a microcosm of meatball Cub fandom
He’s left like 15 million on the table the last two years.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
A guy is a meatball if his first priority isn't money?
He’s never going to have to work a real job in his life.. 15 million left on the table or not.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 18, 2012 7:12 PM CST up reply actions
Late in his career and having already left the Cubs at one point in his career
Makes me think he is stupid to sign for less to be on a team that won’t compete. Its not like he was a Cubs lifer or grew up a Cub fan.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
Yeah, but did you see how much of a stiffy it gave Cubs fans that he is back
with them? After this, he now has a Job with that organization for life doing something- Coaching, goodwill ambassador, announcer, etc. And hey, good for him. Yeah, he left a lot of money on the table now, but he is the most favorite player of a lot of those yahoos, and he would have destroyed that if he signed with the White Sox. The future opportunity to bilk them is now still in play.
by South Side Expat on Jan 18, 2012 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah but the whole thing annoys the piss out of me and if theo is really trying to change the culture we should have told wood to go fuckhimself
Thats all i was saying, Now look where this thread has gone.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
Sure he had a choice.
Ever met anyone who “chose” crucifixion in order to save Us?
We're all here because we're not all there.
by winningugly on Jan 23, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
What would you say if Mark Buehrle took another pay cut to stay in Chicago?
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 18, 2012 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
Mark Buehrle won a World Series.
"I considered throwing a volley, but since I'm considerably closer to Ford City than Dodge City, I figure it might have been misinterpreted."
You confuse me
He turned that deal down last season.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
true, whoops
but he still turned down an offer from the White Sox this year and went with the Cubs instead. I’m sure the Sox offer was above the Cubs offer. Thank god he went with the Cubs but still, that is proof KW was still looking to add bullpen pieces.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
If it only cost like $3MM, I wouldn't have minded it.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
When I suggested the White Sox need one more veteran reliever
I was pooh-poohed because of the recent Frasor trade. Frasor was at 3.5, I’ll bet Wood would have required more than 3 million to go to the White Sox. Cub discount, blah blah etc.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
wsox headed here in 2012?

White Sox 2012: Helplessly rebuilding?
by greenlight on Jan 18, 2012 8:07 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
is that Kenny
over on the shore to the left?
"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jan 18, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
Viciedo on recruiting trail
Cant hurt to have a fellow cuban getting in the ear of a couple potential targets. I have heard a lot about cespedes but does anyone have a report on soler…. havent seen him talked about too much as a whitesox target or maybe I just missed some of the conversation on him.
I'd rather get Soler than Cespedes
This is a pretty good summary of all the reports I have read on Soler. One thing that is not mentioned here, that is mentioned elsewhere, is Soler has an outstanding personality and will be a poster-boy for a team in the future.
http://orioles-nation.com/2011/12/12/talent-from-cuba-jorge-soler/
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
You may have a good point. Cespedes is hitting 105 in DR baseball - very very very small sample.
For 2012 season: ALEX RIOS is my new TONY PENA.
by JofpGallagher on Jan 18, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
He is probably not THAT bad
but he is 26 and would probably need seasoning in the minors. It was pretty stupid of him to play in DR. His mind probably isn’t exactly in the right place for optimal performance in DR.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
he's going to be rookie of the year. and if we dont get him i will rant and say i told you all so.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
and if we do get him i will boast and say i told you all so
and you all can lavish me with gifts.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Open mine first. It's on your porch, in a brown paper bag. And may be on fire.
"I considered throwing a volley, but since I'm considerably closer to Ford City than Dodge City, I figure it might have been misinterpreted."
by RWShow on Jan 18, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
You want to put some liquor where your mouth is then?
Especially if he qualifies for this year’s rookie-of-the-year award and doesn’t go to the minors, there are going to be some good candidates out there this year.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
i still owe WU some pinot. you have to wait in line for your payment. lol
but i have to see where he lands. no way am i betting on a cub.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
If you wait much longer on that pinot
his nursing home might not even let him have it.
Well played.
sideways smiley face
by TasteeFreeze on Jan 18, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
You still owe me?
I totally forgot.
We're all here because we're not all there.
by winningugly on Jan 18, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
i was wondering why you haven't mentioned he and tdogg's debts in days.
so unlike you.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
by MarketMaker on Jan 18, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Dead horse.
Blood/turnip.
You are a gentleman, sir.
We're all here because we're not all there.
by winningugly on Jan 18, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
you predicted Chris Getz as ROY once
Dave Martinez woulda had that.
by Nordhagen on Jan 18, 2012 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
He did have difficulty adjusting
and was sent to larry’s domain (MiL). Wonder if YF also will have springtime cancer bat.
We're all here because we're not all there.
by winningugly on Jan 18, 2012 4:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Alexei didn't play in the minors.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Sorry - I recall there was lots of talk about sending him down.
My mistake.
We're all here because we're not all there.
Go back to the "tape" (e.g. SSS site
when he was first playing). After a hellacious spring he was looking lost for the first 45 days (like, we have discovered he ususally does). Some (ahem, Mr. larry) weren’t sure he was the real deal.
We're all here because we're not all there.
i thought he should be in the minors. saying a player should get some time in the minors has little to nothing to do with what i think their eventual ability is.
and, keeping him in the minors for a couple months would have given the white sox another year of control over him.
I'm gathering up information on him for a post.
His details aren’t as readily known as Cespedes’.
He’s 19 though.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Better than 26 in Cuban years.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
I don't see how this is really a "make or break" year for Viciedo.
If he was truly a FA, I guess it could be. But in the current situation, they won’t have to pay him a ton for the next few years, so even moderate improvements would be fine. Am I missing something?
Did you read the article?
That is what Jim is saying. He is saying that Van Dyke and other “experts” are misinformed on the details of Viciedo’s contract.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
dave van dyke misinformed?! i find that hard to believe. well actually, and i mean this with all sincerity, he really should not be employed in his current job.
it seems like just yesterday i transcribed this little ditty of his from a radio appearance on the score:
You know this Fielder stuff has got me really amazed. I, I just, I don’t know why anybody would be interested in Prince Fielder……….You know he is one, two three, four, he is, he is fifth on that team in RBI………… He has got 46 RBI. 46. For the season. And he plays in that bandbox and I keep hearing people say ‘Boy if he played in a launching pad at, uh, Comiskey or U.S. Cellular Field the guy would hit 80.’ Well wait a minute. He’s only got 46. He plays in the bandbox in Milwaukee and he gets to play in Wrigley Field and some other good home run parks. So, I don’t know, do you want him on your team?
(from july, 2010)
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
Yeah, I heard that that day, I was absolutely shocked
That was just a small portion of his overall hubris.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
i don't understand how physics allows this sort of thing.
what i’m saying is, i just don’t know how the whirling laws of nature coalesced in such a manner that it resulted in a statement like this being possible.
by obnoxious american on Jan 18, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
in situations like this my "go to" line is:
“those words. is it possible to use them in a sentence together like that?”
— spongebob squarepants, episode “just one bite”, season two
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
by BuehrleMan on Jan 18, 2012 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Right, I'm asking why they would think that.
by polodude017 on Jan 18, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
I think I follow.
These guys are under the impression that he is actually a FA after this year, correct?
by polodude017 on Jan 18, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
Ah, great question
they just don’t spend the minimal time to get to the truth I suppose and they expect their consumers to depend on their sloppy knowledge as gospel
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
I follow.
I read the first part that Jim, proceeded to the blurb from the story and didn’t connect the dots that Van Dyke didn’t realize he wouldn’t be a FA.
by polodude017 on Jan 18, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
It's going to be a great season.
Let's go Sox!
@SeanLindo
Revisiting the Gregor stuff was amusing.
“Wait, what’s that? You’re suggesting that the White Sox are making this decision based on logic? Nonsense, Blog Boy!” Hee-larryous.
Also, Dave Van Dyck is a doddering old man. Hey Trib, it’s not the Supreme Court. You don’t have to wait til he and Phil Rogers are dead before getting rid of their clueless asses.
"I considered throwing a volley, but since I'm considerably closer to Ford City than Dodge City, I figure it might have been misinterpreted."
that's what gregor calls 'giving him the ruffcorn'
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
by MarketMaker on Jan 18, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
morosi tweets red sox still showing interest in floyd.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Funny to see MLBTR commenters complaining about Floyd being put in the same tier with Jurrjens and Garza, saying he's much worse.
fWAR in the last four years:
Jair Jurrjens – 10.3
Matt Garza – 12.6
Gavin Floyd – 14.9
Granted Garza is almost a year younger than Floyd and Jurrjens is three years younger than Floyd, but given their contract statuses (all four hit free agency in 2014- Garza and Jurrjens are in arbitration years, Floyd is locked up with a club option in 2013) I don’t think it’s an outrageous comparison at all.
by mechanical turk on Jan 18, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
Sounds like the Red Sox have been trying all offseason to get the White Sox to take their guys.
It’s clear that Kenny just isn’t interested. Especially now that Josh Reddick is in Oakland.
"That baseball is the smartest thing out on that field." —Hawk Harrelson
well i don't know about kenny but will middlebrooks looks good to me.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
id take a look at lars anderson
"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112
To elaborate
a 23 year old 1B who can’t crack an .800 OPS in AAA despite repeating the level? Pass.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
id take a look.
dudes only 23, and his stock is low. couldnt hurt to see what he can do in another year or 2
"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112
I'd take him as an additional part of the package, not as the headliner.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
thats what i was getting at
sorry, taking a look i guess meant throw him in a package.
"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112
I'd take Xander Bogaerts off their hands
It is known
Our outfield is one big question mark this season.
How bad will Rios be? OPS over .700 please.
How good will Viciedo be? 20 HR no problem?
What can we really expect from De Aza? Is 30 steals possible? 10 HR? How close can he get to that pretty .329 average and sweet OPS of .920? I’d be good with .800.
I'm hoping for over 6 WAR combined.
I don’t think that’s too greedy.
by mechanical turk on Jan 18, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
rios
/throws up
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
Fuck that 6 WAR from De Aza himself
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
by Tdogg on Jan 18, 2012 9:31 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
He (Alejandro) is conceively our best outfielder..... not sure Fantasy-wide
For 2012 season: ALEX RIOS is my new TONY PENA.
by JofpGallagher on Jan 19, 2012 6:05 AM CST up reply actions
More than any year I can remember
I have no idea what to expect good or bad at practically every position, not just the outfield. Pretty sure we know what we get from Alexei, AJP, Floyd, Crain, Danks, and Konerko (even with some regression).
The rest are all guys who you can’t pencil in good performances for, but you cant write off as having no chance of performing well. Much more interesting when you could simply look at the lineup and say, “Erstad and Pods in the same lineup. This outfield is gonna blow.”
by MelidoPerez on Jan 18, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
I have reservations on AJ and Kong, mostly due to age.
But, yeah, interesting is the way to put it. Anyone can do anything.
The lords of dawn are men such as Mr. Lucy.
more than any other year I can think of, too. It's crazy.
but yeah, there’s optimism in the unknown*.
*except for Rios
Rios returning to 2010 form wouldn't surprise me much
And would probably be the most Rios thing that could happen, because him hustling a bit more in the field and having a good year would make many crazier about last year. Looking at his peripherals, there isn’t a ton to suggest he fell off some cliff. Neither of the Dunn/Rios combo bouncing back is a sure thing, but I think I actually have more confidence in Rios returning to reasonable form (hitting at least, I have no idea if he is going to actually try in the field).
Crain's peripherals are sorta iffy
Then again, his peripherals are habitually iffy.
His 2005 line is hilarious:
79.2 IP, 2.71 ERA, 2.82 K/9, 3.28 BB/9, 0.68 HR/9, .211 BABIP
He was on the wins leader board too.
I think he had like 8 wins at the all star break. Crazy.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
by MarketMaker on Jan 18, 2012 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
He led the wins category in my fantasy team!
I had a terrible year in the pitching categories….
For 2012 season: ALEX RIOS is my new TONY PENA.
by JofpGallagher on Jan 19, 2012 6:07 AM CST up reply actions
Question?
Why not play Viciedo in left field and Rios in right. Didn’t Viciedo come up as a third baseman? Seems to me that left field would be much easier adjustment.
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
viciedo has a rocket for an arm.
he also just moved to right last year. i don’t think he’s played much left. not that there is a big difference… but just leave him be before switching him again
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Not disagreeing with anything here...
but didn’t Rios used to have a pretty damn good arm when he played right? When did he turn into this noodle armed sidearmer?
sick burn
check out John Sickels’ response to a question about ranking B+ prospects.
question here
I ended up coming down a little on Molina. The fact that the White Sox liked him so much scared me off of him (just kidding).
Danks vs. Darvish for Opening Day 2012 on April 6
Bring it, Johnny D.
And at least Darvish is right-handed, so Dunn has a glimmer of hope…
Baseball is life.
Anyone else think Kenny's asking price for Floyd has gone up since Victor Martinez is out for the year?
Increases our chances of competing.
as larry pointed out, not much.
if VM isn’t catching 50-100 games, he ain’t great shakes.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

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