Ozzie, Don't Go Away Mad (Just Go Away)
by KenWo4LiFe on Jan 21, 2012 6:01 AM CST
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I was perusing my Twitter account today and a bunch of tweets came in from Ozzie Guillen. It started out innocently enough. First he thanked everyone for their birthday wishes and then told Jermaine Dye that he will kick his butt in golf. Then someone must have told him that Jake Peavy said "I would never quit on a team. ...Ozzie didn't finish with us the last (two) games. So I don't know who quit on who."
Because these were the next four tweets Ozzie rattled off (sorry for the typos, they are his and not mine):
When i get to chitown lets make one thing clear what happen last day whit the sox stay tune
Iam out the country now but i never quit in anything yes be ready when i talk going to be fun
I will kill peoples fellings no mercy i turn the page but they no let me a long then get ready going to be bad
People want me to look bad but i so honest i wiil saynthe real true put u seat belt on
As soon as this came across, I got a bunch of text messages from Sox fans, Cub fans, Ozzie fans and Ozzie haters. Most of them saying something like "OMG Ozzie is going to go off on the Sox again".
Words can't express how much I disdain Ozzie Guillen. I had issues with him when he was a player. The guy was basically worthless after he and Tim Raines collided on a blooper April 21, 1992. He came back in 1993 and stayed on as the starting shortstop all the way through 1997, even though he was putting up negative BWar numbers starting in 1995.
Then after he left, he had a lot to say from Orioles training camp ripping the White Sox and their players. It was one of the reasons I was happy that Mike Caruso had a "good" 1998. Here is an article from the Baltimore Sun from 1998 about a sulking Guillen coming back to Chicago. Notice how Bevington said Ozzie "turned into a bad guy" his last two years. That sounds awful familiar.
Here is one from Phil Rogers in March of 2005 talking about how ridiculous Guillen is for ripping Magglio Ordonez when Ozzie did the same thing 8 years prior.
He threatened to quit as manager 20 times during his tenure. He put Rob Mackowiak in center field. He couldn't make his loud mouth kid be quiet. He chose Mark Kotsay over Jim Thome in 2010. He had ill-timed requests for a contract extension. Ozzie wanted the spotlight on him and only him the entire time he was here.
Ozzie Guillen has sabotaged way too many seasons on the South Side. Now he is going to try and do it one more time. Unfortunately, it will probably be timed just as Soxfest is opening. Then he'll probably have more to say during spring training. I am hoping and praying the Sox don't respond to him and just concentrate at the task at hand but that isn't one of Kenny Williams, Don Cooper or Jake Peavy's strong points. Robin Ventura doesn't need to be saddled with even more Guillen fallout than he is already going to receive.
When Ozzie does say something, it will probably have some truth to it. I've always thought that Kenny is just as much at fault as Guillen is. He will probably also give more thoughts on Cooper and Peavy. While it might lead to some insight on why 2011 was such a terrible year, I really don't want to think about it anymore. He's gone. The others are here. It is what it is.
Its a shame that Ozzie couldn't do what Motley Crue said... Don't Go Away Mad (Just Go Away).
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One of your better pieces, Ken, thanks.
I cannot for the life of me imagine you “perusing” anything, however, except your grade school press clippings. ;)
We're all here because we're not all there.
by winningugly on Jan 21, 2012 7:08 AM CST via mobile reply actions 10 recs
Thanks man. Those are always fun to thumb through. lol
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Great piece, Ken. Loved it.
I was driving back home from Chicago last week when Peavy was on The Score. I remember saying “Ohhhhhh shit” out loud when I heard him comment on Guillen. But he also said that it was all water under the bridge. So I was hoping that maybe, just maybe that would be the end of it. But Guillen wants to have the last word.
Here’s my speculation… I’m betting it was Cowley who told Guillen about Peavy’s comments. My reasoning? In the same interview last Saturday Peavy said that a writer (Cowley) had misquoted John Danks in a recent interview in his comments about Don Cooper. So I’m sure that pissed Cowley off enough to stir the pot again.
"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic" - Crash Davis
by Servant2LordBeckham on Jan 21, 2012 7:31 AM CST reply actions
He probably would have eventually but he didn't have to.
After the Peavy interview, there were people tweeting Oney about it. He actually said his dad wasn’t even in the countrty, why can’t “they” just leave him alone. Looks like it’s time for Reinsdorf to step in. He needs to put a gag order on all his guys so this isn’t a distraction all year.
I don't know if Oz would know what to do...
if he heard ol’ Jerry on the other end of the phone say “Ozzie…shut the fuck up.”
"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic" - Crash Davis
by Servant2LordBeckham on Jan 21, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
Some people are incapable of acting like a grown man
Ozzie is apparently one of them.
We are in the shit on the lawn stage
He is the guest that won’t leave. The first week was fun and he cooked dinner, fixed things around the house, helped with the kids…he entertained you…but the longer he stayed and the more things he did for the household, he started thinking he owned the place and after a month you couldn’t even imagine him not being around even though you wanted your old life back. His family moved in, his friends were over all the time, there were parties and arguments every night. His kids became brothers and sisters to your kids. He weaved himself into every fabric of your life and brainwashed you to forget there was any other way. You can’t bring yourself to tell him to hit the road because you know the shitstorm that will accompany that request…"After all I’ve done to make your life easier, to enrich you and your family’s life, this is how you treat me?" The kicking and screaming and name calling as you put his shit on the lawn. You still feel guilty long after he is gone but sooner or later that chapter of your life seems embedded far in the past and you realize that you can enjoy life again and wondered why you ever let that shadow fall over your house.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
by Rhubarb on Jan 21, 2012 9:07 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
I thought the name of the stage meant he was shitting on our lawn.
"That baseball is the smartest thing out on that field." —Hawk Harrelson
Also, I knew that sounded familiar.
This is the fourth time you’ve posted it since April and it’s still not green. How sad.
"That baseball is the smartest thing out on that field." —Hawk Harrelson
by mikecws91 on Jan 21, 2012 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I like the analogy, too
as a landlord, though, it feels like Ozzie’s left a fucked up apartment, and as you’re assessing the damage, and he sends his kid over to ask for the security deposit he never paid you.
sideways smiley face
by TasteeFreeze on Jan 21, 2012 9:45 PM CST up reply actions
This is excellent.
We're all here because we're not all there.
by winningugly on Jan 22, 2012 8:55 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ozzie immature, Peavy not that much better.
I really hope whatever he say the Sox ignore it.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jan 21, 2012 9:08 AM CST reply actions
Right on the money
I really hope that the Sox mgmt, coaches and players refrain from commenting on the next verbal barrage coming from OG. I would love it if KW would say “I don’t comment on former employees except to wish them well.” I wish someone in this mess would take the high road. I fear instead we’ll be treated to another round of distractions that this team just doesn’t need.
Well, boys, it's a round ball and a round bat and you got to hit the ball square. ~Joe Schultz, 1969
by zevsenesca on Jan 21, 2012 9:12 AM CST via Android app reply actions 4 recs
wouldn't that be great if somebody said that?
You know it won’t happen though.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Kenny can't help himself anymore that Ozzie can.
Furious George! What happened to your beautiful face?!?
by AirTrafficAJ on Jan 21, 2012 7:16 PM CST up reply actions
rec for title alone
but the content also merits another.
with those twitter messages, i don’t know how anyone can take him seriously. tally-ho, motherfucker.
by obnoxious american on Jan 21, 2012 9:25 AM CST reply actions
Ozzie craves attention. He's probably realized that no one in Miami cares about the the Marlins or him, so he has to go where folks will pay attention to him.
I can’t imagine this is going to work out well for him down there.
by FlyingSpaghettiMonster on Jan 21, 2012 9:54 AM CST via mobile reply actions
agreed
i hope the sox just ignore him. you know he’s going to try to get under people’s skin. time to be tough sox.
and his current has to really love all of this. what a nimrod, he could get fired before the season starts.
The problem with the Ozzie criticism thus far is that they keep picking closed-door stuff.
Which makes it easy for he-said-he-said-who-knows exchanges. Really, all anybody has to say is:
1) Rios qualified for the batting title handily.
2) Dunn was two games short.
And repeat.
by Jim Margalus on Jan 21, 2012 10:41 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
if he said that ozzie would say "talk to kenny hes the one that brought em here".
and then Kenny would say i told him not to play them. and ozzie would call BS.
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Dead horse
We get it, you hate Ozzie. Not enough to stop following his twitter though and not enough to just let him fade away . You hate him because he tweeted about how he was going to set the record straight about Peavys’ commented. Imagine that someone wanting to correct what they believe to be a false statement that has been made against them. In fact now we know you were an OG hater back in ‘92 before it was cool. We know that you don’t want to think about it anymore so you write about it. Your stuff on here is usually much better than this. Do we really need an article like this everytime he mentions the Sox. You’re asking Ozzie to just go away quietly, can’t we do the same. For the record I love Ozzie for what he gave us in 2005 and the last two years have given me plenty of reason to dislike him but enough is enough.
how do you really feel?
"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112
What a steaming pile of crap.
There is nothing inconsistent about writing about someone you dislike. That sort of attitude pretty much rules out journalism as a profession. Of course someone who cares about White Sox news is going to follow Guillen on Twitter. And when he tweets teasers of a big reveal, of course interested parties will take note—if for no other reason than to take stock of them as more evidence of Guillen’s grandiosity. That’s right, Ozzie, we can’t wait to have the record set straight by you, you with the sterling reputation as a leader in the reality-based community. You who couldn’t control your mouth or your mouthy child. Who managed like someone who couldn’t wait to get to his next job. Please. The guy should have been cut loose two years ago. The bullshit was too thick for too long. Good riddance.
by expatnyc on Jan 21, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Well
I said nothing about him being inconsistant so I’m not really sure what you mean by that. As far as the rest of your post goes its just more complaining about Ozzie which seems to be the point of this article in the first place, to give people a place to bitch about him. RR at best not front page.
when you have praise for the sox, let us know.
"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112
this is a white sox blog.
catering to white sox fans’ interests seems fairly reasonable. OG is obviously one of those, like him or not.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
you seem to be the only one with a problem.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
the suggestion is that you're feeling/seeing something that isn't there.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
That's fine too, opinions and all
Not trying fight with anyone. I thought the article was subpar and now I’m defending my view point through discussion.
This dude is far more polite than Korean was.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Just joking
But is there anything super offensive that I’ve said. I’ll admit my first comment was a little confrontational but I explained the reason for that below and I’ll apologize here if necessary.
i don't either. if i could please everyone... the wife wouldn't be such a bitch all the time.
haha
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by KenWo4LiFe on Jan 21, 2012 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
dont apologize if youre defending what you said.
defeats the purpose of defending it, no?
"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112
is that not what you said you were defending?
"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112
I'm late in reading but I don't have a problem with it either
You made a point and supported it. You have not been disrespectful and certainly are entitled to your opinion. Personally I think its a subject that will eventually have to be told and I agree at this point its really not enough.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
quit being jealous just because i got kim jong il to comment on an article of mine.
lol
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this comment was like a year ago. he wasnt dead at the time.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
You don't remember Korean from last winter?
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
You implied he was being inconsistent
when you knocked KenWo for hating Guillen so much he can’t stop writing about him. “We know that you don’t want to think about it anymore so you write about it.” That is an obvious accusation of inconsistency. And I think it’s bogus. It’s obvious you’ve never worked in journalism. Only someone with no nose for news would suggest that Ozzie Guillen’s (stunningly stupid) tweets have no place on the main page. It’s not as though KenWo wrote some epic takedown of a few tweets. He ventilated a bit. This is a blog. That’s what happens on blogs.
If anything I was saying he was being a hypocrite.
He asks Ozzie to let it go and just go away. Then he brings up reasons from the last 20 years that he hates Ozzie, all of which are common knowledge to most everyone around here. I agree that it’s newsworthy but at this point all it needed to be was a screenshot of Ozzie’s tweet and a “Wonder what he’ll say next?” Everything after the jump was completely unecessary.
ozzie should hold himself to a higher standard.
kenwo isn’t obliged to, he doesn’t manage an mlb team.
You think he should, but has he ever?
None of this should be a shock. The only unexpected thing about this situation is how long it took him to respond. Technically he hasn’t responded yet, he just said he was going to.
I’m curious why you think that a persons standing in life should effect how they handle a situation . You can say that for the sake of keeping his job Ozzie should handle it better. If I remember correctly isn’t Kenwo a teacher? Shouldn’t teachers or journalist as expatnyc keeps saying be held to the same higher standard also.
And to be honest
the hypocrite thing wasn’t on my mind when I wrote the first comment, it wasn’t the point I was trying to make.
They're like a pack of hyenas aren't they?
“don’t you mess wiff my internet fwend!”. Best thing to do is disappear for a few months until you find an opening to expose someone else as a hypocrite.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
Even the populace of BCB find it worthless.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
I hate Loria.
Also hate that Al can’t write an article without finding a way to mention the Cubs.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
I used to think that,
but the Cubs references came off as somehow justified in his recent Brief History of France.
by mechanical turk on Jan 21, 2012 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
You do have to admit
it’s impressive that he can unite so many different fan bases solely through mutual dislike of his writing.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
The article was for the most part baseless
But then I read his comments, and discovered this must not have been a one-off situation. The man is an idiot.
by bevingtonsTallBoy on Jan 21, 2012 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
Is it just me..
Those twitter comments just don’t seem like that big of a deal considering what Peavy said they are pretty tame. Shit if it was Ozzie from a couple years back he probably would have mentioned Peavy by name, added a few f-bombs, and talked about having his pitchers gunning for him in interleague play. Like I said Kenwos articles are usual better than this but it is the slowest part of the offseason soI guess articles like this are need to fill space.
this is one of kenwos better articles.
relax yo
"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112
Are you just saying that?
I am actually interested to know why you think that. To me it just looks like someone grabbed a few completely expected, Twitter qoutes and used it as and excuse to bitch about stuff from the past 20 years. It seems lazy, I like Kenwo it was just disappointing I guess. I am relaxed, in fact I’m calmer than you are:)
by comet922 on Jan 21, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
hmmmm nope
"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112
you don't think that a manager threatening to reveal secrets of the team you care about after he already has another job
is a big story? trust me. you will hear a lot more about this than just my article. it will be all over the place. I just drew stuff from the past to show that he was always like this. An ungrateful douche bag. He should have been thankful that he was still a starting shortstop after 1993. Instead he bitched about it in 1998… and he couldn’t even get a starting job anywhere else. Its just the kind of guy he is.
Sorry you weren’t a fan of the article.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Thank you for the reply
It’s not that it isn’t a big story it’s how it was presented. I probabably was responding more to the over all tone of the site the last few months and thinking of the inevitable pile on by everyone. One person says the don’t like him the twenty more put their own FOG story it gets old quick, It wasn’t a personal attack. The offseason has gotten brutally stale recently, is it time for spring training yet!
This made me think a little about White Sox managment.
I know they can’t control everything their players say but you would hope they would have sent a organizational memo to just side step any Ozzie questions to avoid this exact situation. Peavy should have known better or been told to know better by the White Sox. If they didn’t want the distraction.
Why are you so troubled by Peavy's comment?
Why can’t he defend himself publicly? I don’t think he did anything wrong. Ozzie is not some wilting lily who needs protection.
why are you so troubled by Ozzie's comment?
Why can’t he defend himself publicly? I don’t think he did anything wrong. The White Sox are not some wilting lily who needs protection.
Is it just me...
Or were Peavy’s comments no big deal? Did he say something that wasn’t true? Peavy took it easy on him and only claimed he quit on the last two days – it was, in reality, long before that.
Regardless of how JP’s comments can be interpreted, or whether he should have said them, any response from Ozzie was unnecessary. For as much as I can interpret from his blather, it had a bit of emotion to it. Yes, it could have been worse, but just the fact that he’s given a pass because it wasn’t over the top shows that he’s got a child’s brain and a child’s response is what everyone expects from him.
by bevingtonsTallBoy on Jan 21, 2012 10:24 PM CST up reply actions
in my opinion the only reason ozzie didn't go much farther than he did is because he was typing
instead of running his mouth to a camera. just wait til that starts happening.
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pretty much this
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
If I was Ozzie Guillen and had his dough,
I would hire a proofreader to help me with my tweets so that I didn’t look like an illiterate moron on the internet.
for having spent 30 years in this country, his english is pretty awful.
but i guess that’s what you get with a 2nd grade education.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
by MarketMaker on Jan 21, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
i find myself moving into the i hate ozzie camp
more and more each time he opens his mouth. i gave him the benefit of the doubt through the first half of 2009…but since then he has done nothing but be a destructive force for this team. as if his managing wasn’t bad enough in that timeframe, he just won’t shut his mouth and the garbage that is coming out of it keeps getting worse. i’m so glad the circus has left town…although it appears its making a pit stop for a few nights in the next week…
dunn walked away from an interview with rongey and someone else
he smiled and said ‘you guys are boring me’, then took off. kind of funny.
by obnoxious american on Jan 21, 2012 12:23 PM CST reply actions
i still like adam dunn
"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112
He had a shitty year without having a bad attitude about it.
If he has another shitty one this year, maybe things will change. But it’s not like he was loafing around on the field.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
i'd rather him have a bad attitude about a shitty year. to me he looked like he could give a shit.
people claim thats how rios acts… rios showed more emotion about his shitty year than dunn did. dunn was like “eh whatever, yah i suck”. thats worse in my opinion.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
i don't get where you took that from.
he looked fucking miserable. think of him last year and can you picture him with a smile on his face?
no. he just looked like he couldn't care less.
i can’t see how a white sox fan could like him. maybe if he has a good year this year. for now though, to me he is just a big oaf who can’t hit a fastball and is stealing money and costing my team an opportunity to compete.
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This.
It felt like when you had a high school teammate “react” to fucking up a play.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
i dont know if one is better than the other.
i’ll always lean towards rios… but at least he hit .230 in 4 of the 6 months. i know… batting average blahblahblah… but when you can’t crack .160 more than 1 month of the season after you just signed a huge deal… to me there is no way anyone should possibly like him.
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even his mother should be embarrassed and disappointed. lol
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i guess thats where we differ. i don't think he looked like he cared at all.
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Your results don't change who you are
Zambrano was a loose cannon a-hole who would glare at teammates and smash stuff back when he was good. He pulls the same crap even though he isn’t that good anymore.
Dunn’s demeanor when he was hitting 40 bombs seems the same as it was last year, despite the change in results. When you have a season like last season, whatever you do will be the wrong thing anyway. If he was hitting like crap and throwing helmets around people would have said “Dunn needs to act like a pro and not a hothead idiot.” Since it was the opposite, then it is of course “he should care more, etc.”
good point i suppose.
(that being said i like zambrano and have never liked dunn) lol
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It's that time of year!
Garfien tweeted this morning Dunn has lost 30 pounds, and that he will be at Soxfest. I applaud Mr. Dunn’s testicular fortitude.
its not like the guy wasnt trying.
he put in his effort, didnt complain, said he would do anything coaches told him to do. dude put the effort and ended up with a still shit season. no way that can be repeated.
"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112
i once coached a kid that always said "oh well at least i tried"
it pissed me off. i ranted on the team “trying is for losers… get it done once in awhile” and made them run. i miss coaching jr. high. lol
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oh man i used to say worse things than that. i was the bobby knight of jr high baskeball.
i’m friends with a lot of my players on facebook though. They loved it.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
How many sports have you starred in?
Jesus, network with your ex-teammates and players a little. You’ll be working in no time.
We're all here because we're not all there.
by winningugly on Jan 22, 2012 9:01 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
i did play basketball but i was kind of shitty.
i did a good job coaching though for 5 years. my first team i coached are 22 right now. still in college.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
that attitude is different than trying day in and day out, listening to coaches, doing what they ask and being a team player.
"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112
not sure, they just mentioned it on the score.
i’d imagine something pre sox fest related.
by obnoxious american on Jan 22, 2012 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
So far Ventura has been quiet
Which I like, Dunn is lighter, so I will take those two signs as positive and look forward to ST
20 times? Holy hell. Try that in any other profession.
If I didn’t have to hear or think about him for the rest of year, that would be just fine. Life and baseball sans Guillén would be like a s’mores buffet.
The lords of dawn are men such as Mr. Lucy.
Was it actually 20?
I thought that was just Ken using hyperbole. I know it was probably up there though.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
started that schtick in '07 probably?
4 times a year for 5 years? i could see that.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
20 may have been an exaggeration. but he did do it a lot.
and it started before 2007. I remember him saying it in 2005 when the team was falling apart.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Ah, damn, I thought these were documented occurrences.
Either way, it was probably at least a couple times a year.
The lords of dawn are men such as Mr. Lucy.
I would not be shocked if it actually was 20.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
If Dunn really lost 30 lbs, imma gonna drank da dunn koolaid
Its nice we have six games on the road to start the season gives him a chance to build some momentum before facing fans in Chicago.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
i'm surprised boston is going with a platoon of mike aviles and nick punto at SS.
sounds like a terrible plan to me. is this all because we play them 8 times this year?
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holy crow. those two are like president and prime minister of the douchenozzles.
and of course the twins snabbed jamey carroll, who is secretary of state.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
by BuehrleMan on Jan 21, 2012 6:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It will be interesting to see if they pursue Floyd now that they've cleared salary
There was an article on mlbtr about it a while back.
by ceverettsdinosaurs on Jan 21, 2012 6:41 PM CST up reply actions
Looks like Oswalt will be the first target.
Sounds like he’ll be cheaper and they wouldn’t have to give up prospect for him.
by polodude017 on Jan 22, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
Holy christ i read a phil rodgers tweet that since the red sox traded scutaro
that a gavin floyd trade might include Alexei Ramirez or Eduardo Escobar.
If they trade alexei i’m not going to be very happy. Alexei and Chris Sale are the only two guys i wouldn’t trade.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
gotta keep things in perspective though. its from phil rogers.
but even the thought of no alexei in 2012 has my stomach hurting. either that or the mini tacos i made. gross.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
best stick to the fruity pebbles.
look at it this way: at least alexei would finally win his gold glove.
what would they supposedly get in return?
Ellsbury and Lester?
Where the white women at?
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by parkernutws05 on Jan 22, 2012 1:27 AM CST up reply actions
No way....
you are overestimating Alexei and Floyd. also, those players are expensive…money we don’t have. i’d rather go a pool of outstanding prospects which the redsox don’t have considering that their higher prospect is a ss that can’t hit. we have enough of that.
For 2012 season: ALEX RIOS is my new TONY PENA.
by JofpGallagher on Jan 22, 2012 7:54 AM CST up reply actions
he was joking, but i think floyd and alexei (one of the best ss in the league)
would be worth ellsbury plus a prospect. or lester plus one.
and they aren’t that expensive. i’d rather have the sure thing as opposed to a prospect.
Oh...didn't know he was joking
you know i am all for getting sure things….
For 2012 season: ALEX RIOS is my new TONY PENA.
by JofpGallagher on Jan 22, 2012 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
Alexei and Floyd are expensive?
Maybe for a team that can’t afford to add any payroll, but in the grand scheme of things, they are both pretty reasonable contracts.
And yeah you’re right, the Red Sox really don’t have much in the way of interesting youngsters to offer.
by polodude017 on Jan 22, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
He was referring to the costs of Ellsbury and Lester.
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