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Reading Room: Slimmer Dunn now

SoxFest is five days away, and if you look at the schedule, you'll notice that Adam Dunn won't be ducking the festivities. At a glance, that's a decision that seems equal parts noble and foolish.

The more I think about it, though, the less I think his presence will be eventful. There will be a news story out of it, because in terms of baseball seasons, this will be the beginning of a post-apocalyptic world. He has to rebuild civilization, and so it should be documented in great detail regardless of how it turns out.

I just don't see it making waves. Dunn has already hit rock bottom. He can hit worse, but it can't get worse. His collapse blindsided everybody. It undermined an entire marketing campaign. It's the current standard for disaster seasons (do a search on Baseball-Reference.com for "Mendoza Line" and see what turns up). Dunn could hit .100/.200/.200 in 2012, but it's not going to be nearly as memorable, because we wouldn't be seeing nearly as much of him.

If Ozzie Guillen were still the manager, then SoxFest could be a weird scene. By the end of the season, Guillen was openly putting him in a position to fail due to the size of his contact. The disagreement over Dunn's playing time would be fertile ground for some controversial posturing between the manager and general manager, and so Dunn would get questions.

Robin Ventura isn't in a position to comment. He didn't make any of the calls last year. The Dunn he's inheriting has lost his credibility, and if Dunn can't right the ship, Ventura won't have incentive to play him. But that hasn't happened yet, and Ventura probably won't want to publicly entertain the possibility. And he can only speak about the 2011 season in the hypothetical sense, so it's all a blank slate, and that's kinda why Ventura was hired, isn't it?

And on Dunn's side, the only way he could upset Sox fans further is if he refused to change his offseason approach. Altering his winter preparation is both the least and most he can do, so if he ignored those suggestions and Rascaled into the Palmer House with a Cheeto-stained muumuu and grew fatigued during sentences, yes, that would be disappointing.

However, if it's true that Dunn has lost 30 pounds and the change will be noticeable, then there is a lot less to discuss until the games start counting. And that's kinda why Dunn is showing up at SoxFest, isn't it?

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Speaking of "The Best Shape Of His Life," it's interesting to see how the phenomenon finds ways to add a new wrinkle. It used to be weight lost or pounds of muscle added, and then there was the Lasik surgery craze. Now, as the articles about Marlon Byrd and Justin Morneau show, this could be the winter of food allergy/sensitivity detection. Both players have cut milk and wheat out of their diets, and it wouldn't shock me if Dunn mentions the same thing.

While most of Daryl Van Schouwen's interview with Hawk Harrelson will fail to surprise, I was pleased to see him voice his support for Alejandro De Aza in center and Alex Rios in left -- without trying to push Ventura, of course.

In the wake of the Fausto Carmona/Roberto Hernandez Heredia news cycle and all the ensuing fun-with-Fausto jokes, Melissa Segura puts in plain terms why players like Carmona and Leo Nunez have the incentive to lie.

Juan C. Rodriguez gets perspective on Ozzie Guillen's on-field worth by talking to Jim Leyland and Manny Acta, both of whom laud his managerial abilities. I like this quote from Acta in particular:

"It's a battle of wits every day with him," Indians manager Manny Acta said. "If he has the players, he's tough to beat. I saw that for two years… He's not afraid to squeeze or to bunt. He's adjusted very well. He has some throwback to him with the bunting style and he also has some new wave type of thing.

Rodriguez also mentions Guillen's favorable Pythagorean record, although in 2011, playing Dunn and Rios every day probably counts as sandbagging.

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hopefully this whole show isn't just

putting lipstick on a pig.

"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."

by BobbySouthSide on Jan 23, 2012 7:51 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

This a neo-abstract rendering of Adam Dunn in a mumu with cheeto dust all over himself and his surroundings

notice the orange barf, orange finger tips, orange clothes and orange walls. A cheeto orgy if you will.

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Jan 24, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Regarding the Baseball Nation article

Grant Brisbee is one of my favorites to read on SBNation. He always does a great job being hilarious and getting his point across in the process.

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Jan 23, 2012 9:31 AM CST reply actions  

Grant and Jeff are fantastic.

Neyer’s pretty good too. Wendy’s rare articles are always well-written. That other guy? Woof.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Jan 23, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

"the size of his contact"

inversely related to the size of his contract, and that was the whole problem.

by evenyoudorn on Jan 23, 2012 10:02 AM CST reply actions  

I admire Dunn for attending

And its not like he’ll be booed at a fan convention. But it cant be comfortable for him.

Though with his remaining contract and his performance, he really has no choice but to own it.

Dave Martinez woulda had that.

by Nordhagen on Jan 23, 2012 10:06 AM CST reply actions  

A couple of things...

soxfest on friday night is only open to people who stay at the hotel. we booked a hotel room and it cost upwards of 500 dollars for 3 of us to attend. after last year i highly doubt a lot of people are going to flip that coin and the ones who do aren’t likely to boo him. (unfortunately for him there will be at least 3 people booing).

Kenny williams also is taking advantage of this. Friday night is the only day he’s going to be on stage. Since they’ve been doing the friday is only open to hotel guests… you usually get a pretty tame crowd that first night. There will probably be 10 people saying “Kenny, thanks for 2005”.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Jan 23, 2012 10:31 AM CST up reply actions  

so as a fan who wants the team to do better...

Is it really a good way to start the season at a fan event by booing the guy who’s horrific season might have been mental?

by Shawn Cook on Jan 23, 2012 11:21 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

absolutely.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Jan 23, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

AD should get a clean slate

Its a new year. Don’t boo the guy, especially not in a hotel conference room.

Put 2011 in the past. Wouldn’t you want him to do that?

Dave Martinez woulda had that.

by Nordhagen on Jan 23, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Oprah?

Christ, get out of Wisconsin before all of your testosterone dries up.

We're all here because we're not all there.

by winningugly on Jan 23, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

i like that idea

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Jan 23, 2012 6:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Slimmer Dunn now

i c wut u did thar

by obnoxious american on Jan 23, 2012 10:10 AM CST reply actions  

oh, hawk.
We have some situations with a big upside — Adam Dunn literally and figuratively.

anyone want to tell me what dunn’s literal upside is?

by obnoxious american on Jan 23, 2012 10:21 AM CST reply actions  

when he is laying in his floaty chair in his pool, his belly is his upside

"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112

by BoeJouma on Jan 23, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions  

When he was shipped from D.C. to Chicago, the Fedex guy didn't follow the "THIS SIDE UP" instructions on the box

So when Dunn arrived, Kenny opened the box and found that some of the pieces were disconnected or missing completely and that the appendix was flashing red and beeping intermittently.

a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee

by big_fun on Jan 23, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

if the issue was off-season conditioning, then I hope ADunn is following 16,000 around like a lost puppy,

if the issue was a decline in skills, then I hope he follows that Italian cruise ship captain out to the pasture.

White Sox 2012: Helplessly rebuilding?

by greenlight on Jan 23, 2012 10:39 AM CST reply actions  

konerko is a very good hitter, but conditioning? come on.

i think konerko has prolly cost himself 30 points on his career OPS due to not ever learning how to run.
i’d call that an important part of conditioning.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Jan 23, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Great title, Jim.

If Dunn is down 30 lbs I wonder if what remains is finely tuned muscle or if he’s exhausted and weak. Should be an interesting spring.

We're all here because we're not all there.

by winningugly on Jan 23, 2012 11:01 AM CST reply actions  

He's going to look emmaciated

the trick will be not going back to bad habits during the season, right? Like when they are in Cleveland and he strikes out 3 times and his favorite burger place is tantalizingly beckoning him.

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Jan 23, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

cleveland doesnt have burger places.

they have porridge and groul.

"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112

by BoeJouma on Jan 23, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

I was hoping that no one would have taken me literally

Carp? A carp place beckons?

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Jan 23, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

their fish have AIDS.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Jan 23, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Link?

We're all here because we're not all there.

by winningugly on Jan 23, 2012 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Inside jokes sometimes are meant to be shared:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM

Our economy is based on LeBron James. (BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!)

We're all here because we're not all there.

by winningugly on Jan 23, 2012 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

mobile rec

well said

"I'm holding out hope Reinsdorf can somehow use his amnesty clause on Rios"
-Duck99

by Hazymania on Jan 23, 2012 12:08 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

And I personally don’t think they can add many wins (though they can subtract some)

rethorical question…If a manager cannot add “many wins”, but probably subtract wins, why bothering with one?….rephrasing, could it be possible that having a manager – although responsible for some losses – decreases the chances of a team to lose more games amidst anarchy and improvisation?

Aren’t those totals somewhat dependent on the manager?

not sure i understand you here….if the evaluation tool is not related to the matter being evaluated, how else can you judge?

What is the run total if the manager decides to give Dunn a platoon partner to face lefties? Or maybe tells Juan (26 outs made on base) Pierre to cool it, or even better not give 700 trips to the plate to one of the least productive hitters in all of baseball.

isn’t that precisely what bill james is trying to evaluate as a whole with his statistical work?

anyways…the article says it is not a perfect way to assess the value of a manager. like all the statistics, it’s just another tool to assess performance, and predict outcomes. not the absolute truth.

For 2012 season: ALEX RIOS is my new TONY PENA.

by JofpGallagher on Jan 23, 2012 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

What I meant was

I think a manager is capable of having a larger impact for the negative than the positive. If a team has 80 win talent, the manager won’t guide them to the division championship and 90+ wins because of his brilliance. Maybe 3 or 4 wins when all is said and done. I think it is a lot easier for a manager to cost himself those wins by managing poorly.

Look at the Sox this year. They could have made some adjustments earlier that would have made improvements (lefty platoon for Dunn/De Aza more in center/Pierre hitting 9th not 1st), and maybe they win a few more games. The manager would have helped mitigate the Dunn/Rios/Pierre uselessness and picked up a couple more wins. But the Sox still wouldn’t have been good because the De Aza’a and Lillibridges of the world aren’t really that good. A manager can’t make players more talented, but he can try to play to a player’s strengths and try to minimize the weaknesses.

Instead, the manager wanted to “stay loyal to his veterans” and possibly embarrass the GM he was in a pissing contest with by putting his acquisition in a position to fail.

by MelidoPerez on Jan 23, 2012 5:13 PM CST up reply actions  

just to add.

it shouldn’t really be surprise that any “actor” in a baseball game is capable of having a larger impact for the negative than the positive.

by larry on Jan 23, 2012 5:27 PM CST up reply actions  

My question for Dunn at the SoxFest Q&A would be

“WHY ARE YOU STILL ON THIS TEAM?”

Hopefully with losing 30 lbs, he can at bring his batting average a little above Mendoza line territory. Again, I hope.

When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
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by P-Townfan on Jan 23, 2012 12:57 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

his answer should be

i signed the contract and havent been traded you idiot

"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112

by BoeJouma on Jan 23, 2012 3:58 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

From Gonzales' Twitter account:
Sox announce Buddy Bell promoted to VP, player development, and Nick Capra taking over bell’s old title of director of PD

Roving pitching coordinator Kirk Champion takes over Capra’s duties as minor league field coordinator.

Special assignments title also added to Bell’s duties.

by Jim Margalus on Jan 23, 2012 1:23 PM CST reply actions  

I'm happy for Kirk.

I like him.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Jan 23, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

chest rockwell.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Jan 23, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Dick Braeburn

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Jan 23, 2012 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I've never been to Soxfest and was looking into going possibly this year or, more likely, next year.

Do they charge for autographs at the event?

"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." -Niels Bohr

by Fergie3108 on Jan 23, 2012 7:53 PM CST reply actions  

No. But they only have a limited number of autographs they allow for each session.

You have to line up to get a wristband to enter the session before hand. The kicker is that you can only get on wristband at a time. It’s entirely possible to just run into someone and get their autograph though. Always keep a sharpie and something to sign with you.

by South Side Expat on Jan 23, 2012 8:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for the info.

Sounds like a good time for any Sox fan.

"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." -Niels Bohr

by Fergie3108 on Jan 23, 2012 9:48 PM CST up reply actions  

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