Reading Room: Chris Sale is really, really excited
Fresh off his honeymoon, Chris Sale talked to White Sox beat writers on a conference call Monday afternoon, informing them that the project to convert him into a starter has not hit any snags.
Among the other noteworthy points:
*There's no hard-and-fast innings limit. Sale didn't dismiss the notion of pitching 190 innings, pointing to the 135 combined innings he threw at Florida Gulf Coast University, the White Sox bullpen and his brief tour of the farm system in between back in 2010. He said he felt just as good at the end of that season as he did at the beginning, so he's not prematurely concerned with fatigue.
*He has the pitches, and now he's "sharpening the tools." He made fastball command an offseason priority. With hitters facing him multiple times in a game, he knows he'll have to use all parts of the zone. He's also going back to his changeup, which was his key secondary pitch in college, but he hasn't used it much in the big leagues.
*He's "really, really excited" to start. He's also "very excited." And "really, really looking forward to it."
I joke about his enthusiasm, but it's actually refreshing to hear a member of the White Sox openly and audibly enjoy his line of work. He even handled a couple of hypothetical questions about returning to closing in the same manner as before (basically saying, "I really want to start, but sometimes things happen").
There are plenty of obvious reasons to root for Sale to stick as a starter -- it helps the Sox immensely, it proves Keith Law wrong, etc. But having Sale as a reliable presence in the rotation would give the White Sox an opportunity to put him out front more. The collective voice of the players has taken a back seat to Ozzie Guillen for the last eight years, and it could use some energy.
Hell, even his name is built for promotions. I'll get the ball rolling: SALE'S PITCH!
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Clay Davenport's updated projections have the White Sox and Tigers tied at 83-79. That's with Matt Young taking Victor Martinez's at-bats at DH, and it's contingent on Alex Rios, Adam Dunn and Gordon Beckham all posting a .700+ OPS. That really shouldn't seem like a tall order, but here we are.
The White Sox announced new titles for Buddy Bell (vice president, player development and special assignment), Kirk Champion (minor league field coordinator) and Nick Capra (director of player development). Champion gives his thoughts on what the changes mean to Scott Merkin in this article.
A.J. Pierzynski plans to play past 2012, saying he feels great and it works for his family. And his response to the idea of sharing time with Tyler Flowers?
"To be honest, I haven't even thought about it," said Pierzynski, who hasn't talked to new manager Robin Ventura about his situation. "I come in every year expecting to play 162 games.
"Until they pull me out and tell me, 'No,' that's the way it is. But it's not my call. I just want to do all I can to help the team win."
I'd take this as a positive, because it's the most flexibility Pierzynski has ever entertained when discussing his playing time.
David Haugh's tight relationship with Kenny Williams pays off, as he asks Williams the question that's on everybody's mind after the NFC Championship Game. I'd like to know more about the Giants' apparent designs on concussing Kyle Williams, myself.
In his team-by-team preseason power ranking preview, Phil Rogers correctly points out that there won't be an Ozzieball void, because for the last couple of years, Sox haven't shown any kind of extraordinary resolve or edge that was supposed to drive the engine. I'm not so much with Rogers on what exactly Tyler Flowers needs to prove, and MelidoPerez pointed out the flaw in using Pythagorean records to heap praise upon Guillen yesterday.
John Sickels ranks the farm systems 1-30. Can you guess which spot the White Sox occupy?
30) Chicago White Sox: You have two B+ pitching prospects in Addison Reed and Nestor Molina and some other raw materials for a decent bullpen. Hitting is a disaster. I like Tyler Saladino but I have huge doubts about their other hitting prospects.
After Daryl Van Schouwen published his interview with Hawk Harrelson on Monday, here's NotHawk translating it into what he really meant to say.
Having cut ties with Mark Teahen a week ago, the Toronto Blue Jays found themselves one former White Sox short. So they signed Omar Vizquel to a minor-league contract, and he'll compete for the chance to play shortstop at age 45. I want to see this happen.
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Why in the worldwould Omar not retire?
If Ozzie wouldn’t give him a job down in Florida (which I would think is what he’d prefer), I think that’s a sign to hang up the old cleats.
Packers Season
Ozzie gave him plenty of "jobs" in Chicago
The grass is always greener
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
Because people are still willing to pay him and he enjoys what he does?
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
He could at least take a year off to be an analyst and spend some time with them.
You know, like that amazing family man Urban Meyer.
by polodude017 on Jan 24, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Was just talking about him last night.
The poster child of insincerity.
We're all here because we're not all there.
Omar can still help a contending team off the bench.
by Matt Manzella on Jan 24, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
I kind of doubt that
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Given the exchange rate in Canada
Vizquel would be what, a spry 38 up yonder?
by Name's Dalton on Jan 24, 2012 8:09 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I don't get it
For 2012 season: ALEX RIOS is my new TONY PENA.
by JofpGallagher on Jan 24, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
I don't either.
Exchange rate is about 1:1
by Shoeless In SC on Jan 24, 2012 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
Exchange Rate Joke Fail
Those can be pretty hard to pull off, evidently…
by Name's Dalton on Jan 24, 2012 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
With you on Tyler Flowers Jim.
I’m more concerned with him being able to keep his K rate under 30% than his ability to handle the pitching staff.
Some beautiful metaphor mixing in Cowley's piece this morning.
This weekend is SoxFest, and the last thing the Chairman wanted was his annual event coated in soot in the wake of a verbal napalming by Guillen.
Soot, napalm, what’s the difference?
by Craig Grebeck on Jan 24, 2012 8:23 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
This SOB needs to go
His meal ticket is in Florida now. Why does he still write for the suntimes?? He never has anything useful to report/analyze. His voice on The Score makes me want to gauge his eyes out. Joe, do us a favor and head off to pasture.
Sorry, to even mention it, but I hate this douche.
"Good teams win games. Bad teams have meetings."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 24, 2012 8:51 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I usually wouldn't bother mentioning his name
but goddamn I love bad writing.
by Craig Grebeck on Jan 24, 2012 8:57 AM CST up reply actions
One thing I do enjoy..
is that he’s one of the few writers that challenges Kenny on a consistent basis. It may be asinine at times, but he does have his moments of brightness. Calling out the KW ass-kissers at SoxFest for one gave me a good chuckle.
by Matt Manzella on Jan 24, 2012 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
Is that better than being an Ozzie ass kisser?
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Neither are good, and he's a complete Ozzie ass kisser
but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t bring up some decent points every once in awhile.
by Matt Manzella on Jan 24, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
Always take preseason projections with a grain of salt
but seems to confirm to me in this division the White Sox would have no business punting on a season or doing rebuilding. Yes they need rebound years from a couple players but Detroit is far from a juggernaut.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
With Martinez out...
their lineup looks very ordinary past Cabrera.
Agreed
With Vmart out, Miggy has no protection from the rest of that lineup
Sabermetrics hurt my head, just give me the facts.
A lot better for the next few years.
Crippled by that contract down the road.
a single contract, no matter how large, isn't going to cripple a team like detroit.
see, e.g., san francisco. multiple bad contracts cripple a team. particularly if they don’t develop young players.
larry, you just don't get it do you?
As soon as Prince hits some random age, he will be worthless and it shall cripple the 3-time World Series winners.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
one other thing i wanted to point out but couldn't because BP was down and i wanted the exact numbers.
average mlb payroll 2005: $73 million
average mlb payroll 2011: $96 million
now that wasn’t a steady climb as the last few years have been much, much slower growth. and mlb payroll usually goes up drastically in about a three year period and then goes back to very slow growth for about that same time period and then rinse and repeat. but it’s certainly conceivable that the continued influx of money into the game will make fielder’s salary look not so outlandish “down the road”.
by larry on Jan 24, 2012 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
mlb.com is very large.
The fact that in the “great recession” period salaries have increased is amazing, and a testament to how the game is being run (at least in a financial sense).
We're all here because we're not all there.
i thought this last year
and i think it this year
"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112
with Sale I'm not concerned about fatigue but about his limbs snapping in two
I’m hoping he puts on some weight either because
{1} marriage agrees with him or
{2} he takes advantage of new lipo-transfer technology and shifts 30 lbs from Appendixless to himself
White Sox 2012: Helplessly rebuilding?
i heard that dunn keeps the weight he lost in a trash bag in his fridge.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
About those projections....
Is Texas that good? …I guess all depends on Yu darvish….if the guy is Hideo Nomo in the early years, then maybe, but if the guy is another Matsusaka, I wouldn’t pencil Texas as a 102 wins team.
the Sox are once again in another year where the Division is reachable….I just hope this year Ventura and KW make the adjustments on a timely manner unlike Guillen/KW
For 2012 season: ALEX RIOS is my new TONY PENA.
I like how that guy projects Nathan with 42 saves
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
pretty aggressive projections for Beachy, Bard, and Straburg, too.
And rather pessimistic on Buehrle and M.Cabrera
by Shoeless In SC on Jan 24, 2012 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
Not all Japanese pitchers are the same.
Chrissakes, JofpG.
We're all here because we're not all there.
by winningugly on Jan 24, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
He is half-Iranian...not complete Japanese
I think I am missing your point…
For 2012 season: ALEX RIOS is my new TONY PENA.
by JofpGallagher on Jan 24, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
He's saying it's a lazy comparison.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Disregarding the comp.
His point stands. Unless Darvish is really good this year, I don’t see Texas being a 100+ win team.
by polodude017 on Jan 24, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
THIS!!!
For 2012 season: ALEX RIOS is my new TONY PENA.
by JofpGallagher on Jan 24, 2012 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
Looking at multiple teams projections, Clay seems to be optimistic in regards to pitchers as a whole.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Yeah, the whole thing is an inexact science obviously.
You could pick apart any of these different projection results. A lot of them tend to air on the side of caution with pitching and rarely project any pitcher for 200+ innings.
by polodude017 on Jan 24, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
I dunno about that.
Nothing in the rotation looks outlandish, though every projection system seems to hate John Danks. Everyone seems to love Sale (except Keith Law). I don’t see anything with Peavy, Floyd or Humber that looks too far off. Heck if Axelrod can make 12 starts and hover around a 4.00 ERA, I’d be thrilled.
U-God said he tends to be optimistic towards pitchers
and I said, “Except our pitchers” He is optimistic on Sale and Reed. He isn’t really optimistic about anyone else, I wasn’t really saying anything is outlandish, duuuuude.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
Ok, maybe he's not being overly optomistic with any of them.
But they are pretty realistic.
duuuude, you're going to give me a heart attack putting all those fatty words into my mouth
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
That all being said, I expect him to be better than Nomo.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
96/96 Nomo?
Because that’s a pretty high bar.
He's younger and throws harder.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
All well and good.
But those numbers from Nomo those two years were pretty sick. If he’s better than that this season, I’ll be impressed.
I see
Let’s try again
Is Texas that good? …I guess all depends on Yu Darvish….if the guy is Roy Halladay in the early years, then maybe, but if the guy is another Jason Simontacchi , I wouldn’t pencil Texas as a 102 wins team.
Hmmmm…
I still think it is as lazier as before, but it’s definitely more international.
For 2012 season: ALEX RIOS is my new TONY PENA.
by JofpGallagher on Jan 24, 2012 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
he means current roy halladay, in darvish's early years.
"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112
what.
Everyone knows that comps are first made on nationality/race, and secondarily on body type.
Dave Martinez woulda had that.
by Nordhagen on Jan 24, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
What about that Victor Martinez replacement...huh?
Shit….Tigers are now very good
For 2012 season: ALEX RIOS is my new TONY PENA.
I see this is been talked about in the Dank's thread
For 2012 season: ALEX RIOS is my new TONY PENA.
by JofpGallagher on Jan 24, 2012 2:31 PM CST up reply actions

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