Scouting John Danks
Table data taken from Texas Leaguers for the 2011 season. Four-seamer and two-seamer got combined since I don't actually think he has a two-seamer. Slider got renamed for better illustration of the pitch's lack of quality.
Fastball
Danks' fastball is average-ish. It's a four-seamer with a nice amount of rise but somewhat more than ideal run. The whiff rate against both RHB and LHB suggests it's below average, as 19% and 15% respectively were average for all lefty fastballs in 2010 (relievers included). But we're dealing with some fairly crude metrics here, with similarly rough averages to compare them to. What we know about typical fastball velocity and movement says Danks is right in that nice clump of average-ishness and I'm willing to round up having watched him for so long.
We must also consider another mitigating factor where his heater whiff rate is concerned. Namely: the cutter. Most lefties don't have two out pitches for their encounters with RHB, which I would be willing to guess puts Danks' fastball at the mercy of selection bias. That is, he trades off the possibility of a whiff upstairs on the fastball for a cutter up and in. There's still plenty of chance for a swing and a miss, but if the whiff isn't there Danks can still get a weak grounder out of the exchange. Four-seamers lead to fly balls and fly balls lead to home runs. Better to be safe than sorry in two-strike counts, no?
So perhaps that's it. Or perhaps there's something beyond the actual movement and velocity that's causing the pitch to suffer in performance. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
Change-Up
If we trace the movement of Danks' change on Dave Allen's heat map we see it's in that nice green blob suggesting a solid pitch. Not so much movement that he achieves dominance, not so little that it gets raked:
That's not quite a fair analysis, as I'd rate it a plus pitch on the whole. Its whiff rate against RHB is 15% above all lefty changes thrown in 2010. For some weird reason, it's almost 40% worse against LHB. I'm not sure exactly what explains the gap, but at least some of it is sample size. Since 2009, Danks has thrown more than 1400 to righties and just over 200 to lefties. Even after weighting the results, the pitch comes out above average compared to all changes thrown to all batters.
If I had to guess what's guiding the numbers there, it's the fact that it's very much a "feel" pitch for him. Some days, he's on the mound and in absolute control, putting it just on or just off that outside corner at will. Others, it's just not there. He'll leave it up, leave it out and often he'll end up visibly frustrated with it. And but so with only 200 pitches, it doesn't take that many bad luck outings to really screw with the numbers. He's incredibly entertaining to watch when he's feeling it as he'll absolutely breeze through lineups. It's also worth mentioning that I think his disguise of the pitch is excellent. Even when the command or movement isn't there, he gives very little if anything away in the delivery.
Cutter
Ah, the piece de resistance. I don't have any averages to compare this to, but it's clearly a plus pitch. The real key is just how hard he throws it. On average, it's faster than Buehrle's four-seamer and a decent number of other notable lefties for that matter. Picking it out from his fastball is nigh impossible as it's just a smidge slower and ends up a full 6 inches farther inside than the expected four-seamer. For reference, that's more than a third of the plate. That far inside is almost always off the barrel and often enough it's off the bat entirely. Ground balls and whiffs, what more could you want?
Etc.
He's also got a slider thrown at curveball velocity. It's not a good pitch. Definition of show-me. Fortunately, he's got a good feel for when to throw it and the results have been pretty good. Let's hope it stays that way.
Sum Of The Parts
Danks is very well equipped to attack RHB and for his career he's basically got no platoon splits. So far he's had enough velocity and been able to rely on that plus the cutter to get LHB out. I would guess he'd like to have a more legitimate out pitch to throw to lefties, but he's battled successfully to this point.
His command every so often will get in the way of his stuff. In particular, as noted, he'll lose the feel for his change-up and its location and movement suffer. It's not a huge problem, as his cutter is a very versatile pitch that can be thrown effectively to either side of the plate if necessary. But I wonder if learning the cutter at all didn't to some degree hinder his mastery of the change. It's the rare pitcher who can consistently move the ball in and out regardless of pitch and I do not believe Danks is an exception. At some point, he chose the cutter as his bread and butter, likely with Coop's guidance, and it's earned him a very nice payday. But every minute practicing the cutter is a minute not practicing something else. I say that not as a criticism--Coop and Danks are a terrific match--but to temper fan expectations. It would be great if he could put it all together and become a Cy Young type. That's likely not in the cards.
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What happened to the idea that fastballs never "rise"?
Is it not an optical illusion, and that very fast “fastballs” only fall less than those that are pitched more slowly?
We're all here because we're not all there.
A fastball in my terminology is either a running or a rising fastball. A runner (or two-seamer) has more horizontal movement than vertical. A riser (or four-seamer) has more vertical than horizontal. Really, though, a fastball has to have a good deal more of one or the other for me to actually call it one or the other. If it’s neither, it’s just meh from a movement perspective. It doesn’t do enough to be characterized either way. My personal rule of thumb is that it needs at least twice (two times) as much of one component than the other to deserve a special designation. I don’t think you’ll find that more than loosely supported in any Pitch F/x articles, but I’ve found it useful in 4 years of staring at these numbers.
I guess what I don't understand is why having BOTH isn't a good thing.
Why would it be bad to have both horizontal and vertical movement?
we don't have good theories as to why certain movement is good and certain is bad
i would guess some of it has to do with what’s typical. it’s relatively rare to see fastballs with 10 inches of vertical movement and 1 inch of horizontal. or 10 in horiz and 1 vert. the best way to think of pitching is to remember that the batter has an expectation for what the ball is going to do out of your hand based on just a couple visual cues in the moment, plus a lifetime of playing baseball.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
did you read the intro posts?
it’s measured relative to a hypothetical spinless pitch.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
the four seam moves horizontally but the cutter doesn't?
am i crazy for thinking this is odd?
by obnoxious american on Jan 24, 2012 11:26 AM CST reply actions
how would you expect a cutter to move?
the fastball’s horizontal movement is toward the pitcher’s hand side of the plate (for an LHP that’d be inside to an LHB). relative to that, the cutter “cuts” the opposite direction. run and cut are opposite horizontal movements.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
This actually helps me understand this a lot.
So the normal lefthanded four-seamer would run away from righthanded hitters while his cutter would run in on them. Correct?
yep.
sorry i neglected to make the point clearer. one more reason those posts shouldn’t have been so long.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
For some reason I envisioned a four seamer going the other way.
Or at least more straight. No idea why. But thanks.
i didn't clarify in the post
i just assumed people knew. my bad.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
btw, if you've got suggestions how to make this look/read better
feel free to make them.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
Enjoyed this one as well.
Do you plan on doing something similar for the other starters? Would love to see that.
the plan is all WS pitchers
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
on the chart it says his cutter's horizontal movement is zero.
and the vertical movement is 6? that’s not right is it?
by obnoxious american on Jan 24, 2012 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
yes, it's correct. for the reason colin explained.
what makes a cut fastball work is that it looks like a fastball and then doesn’t do what the batter expect the fastball to do.
i understand all that.
i don’t understand why the chart says the cutter’s horizontal movement says zero. his cutter goes straight down? i must be confusing something horribly if that chart is correct.
by obnoxious american on Jan 24, 2012 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
the horizontal movement is compared to a theoretical pitch thrown at the same speed with no spin-induced movement.
just to point out again.
pretty much all of this was covered in his two preliminary posts. perhaps colin should mention that and link to it in his future posts.
So I think what larry and colin are trying to explain here is...
the cutter doesn’t actually move horizontally as I think many, including myself, believed. It does however appear to move horizontally because of the difference between it and a normal four-seam fastball (which does move horizontally). So when Danks throws his four-seamer, after it leaves his hand, it actually breaks back to the left (i.e. towards the middle of the plate if thrown inside to a righthanded hitter). But when he throws his cutter (which hitters can’t decipher from his four-seamer) the ball doesn’t move back over the plate, it stays inside and the hitter is jammed, thinking the ball would break back over the plate.
So the key is, as colin mentioned above, the ability to prevent any tipping the pitch, which Danks does well. Therefore, the hitter cannot pick up whether the pitch is a four-seamer or a cutter until it’s too late.
If I’m wrong here, feel free to correct me. This has actually been very educational for me as well, thanks colin and larry.
the two seamer is the one that moves horizontally.
the 4 seamer gets an uptick in velocity
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Apparently Danks' four-seamer does too.
Unless I’m readying colin’s chart wrong above.
hmm i see that now. i don't know. danks must throw like a sally.
either that or whoever keeps the data fucked up and grouped all fastballs under “four seam”
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it's very difficult to get true spin that prevents horizontal movement.
the vast majority pronate significantly, since it’s much easier (and safer afaik) to throw harder.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
yes.
pretty much all fastballs have at least some horizontal movement toward the pitcher’s throwing arm.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
well fortunately you had pfx cameras installed
so we know for sure you’re not full of shit
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
with this

the cutter is cutting in toward the RH hitter right?
by obnoxious american on Jan 24, 2012 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
per rosenthal...
Some teams would play White Sox second baseman Gordon Beckham at short if they could acquire him. The White Sox are forever unpredictable, but Beckham’s trade value currently is quite low.
i wonder if the red sox are asking
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for whiffs i think that makes sense
but it’s already here:
http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/779408/ooc.jpg
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
that sounds about right
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
i don't know how they do their internal decision-making
but i figured they were in the sweet spot where it’d make sense to buy wins. fielder seems like a dombrowski-type to me too.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
yup. wonder if they're still going to trade for pitching, as it seemed they were likely to do before a spot opened up because of martinez.
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by omnipotent grab on Jan 24, 2012 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
First few years of that ought to be good.
After that? No thanks.
by mechanical turk on Jan 24, 2012 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
The distribution of the money should be interesting.
Even if each yearly salary was equal, he’s being paid as almost a 6-win/year player. If the salaries get progressively higher with each year, it will be ugly at the end.
where do you get 6?
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
why such a low $/win?
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
yeah we're at 5-5.5 territory at this point.
Tango’s been using 5. was just making sure i wasn’t missing something. i definitely wouldn’t make this deal.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
so, who bats 3rd?
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Serious question, where does he play?
I thought I read that he really didn’t want to DH, so is Cabrera willing to do that?
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jan 24, 2012 2:08 PM CST up reply actions
Jon Morosi suggests third or left, I can't imagine the Tigers would entertain that.
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jan 24, 2012 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
Miggy played some 116 innings at 3rd in 2008, according to FG.
Though I admit that’s nitpicking.
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jan 24, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
yeah i went with full season.
it’s worth clarifying.
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2008 and I agree. I'm just relaying what Morosi tweeted.
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jan 24, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
Tim Brown, Morosi, and Danny Knobler already falling all over themselves with "don't be surprised if Cabrera is good at 3B" crap.
by Craig Grebeck on Jan 24, 2012 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
I retract my previous statement.
But I bet he would be “better than you think” as you mentioned above.
Instead of the range of a traffic cone, it's the range of a traffic cone on a tiny unicycle
It’s better than you think!
by Yinka Double Dare on Jan 24, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
Dunn for 4 years and 56 mil vs. Fielder for 9 and 214?
Maybe the difference is the ability of the Sox to absorb that type of contract, but I don’t doubt that Fielder is evetually a negative WAR value for them in those last few years.
that was unclear.
i agree that the dunn contract is much better, but dunno what prince is going to do going forward.
they’re giving him the sort of contract you’d give to a future hall of famer. i don’t think he has shown that quality so far.
he's not on pace for the HOF in any case
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by omnipotent grab on Jan 24, 2012 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
yeah i guess he hasn't done anything to kill his chances so far
i’d be pretty surprised if he aged especially well though.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
Is your senseless speculation about his worth in 9 years based on his his father's or Balboni's career?
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I don't think it's senseless speculation necessarily
I certainly wouldn’t want to pay for the last two to three years of that contract. I just don’t think Tigers fans (or their FO) are particularly concerned about that right now.
by Craig Grebeck on Jan 24, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
Seems to be a common business plan in that city
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Speculation? Yes.
I don’t know about senseless. Would you bet 24 mil a year that he’s productive in his mid-30’s? Because I wouldn’t. He probably won’t wearing a glove much at that point, and if he is, it will only take away from his value. I don’t think there’s anything senseless about thinking this is a horrible contract.
That it's a bad contract in six years won't matter to them if they contend (or win) in 2012 and 2013
Like colin said, they were (pre-Fielder) in the sweet spot.
by Craig Grebeck on Jan 24, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
It seems that everyone is ready to say that there is no doubt Fielder falls off a cliff
I would never want the White Sox to sign someone to a contract like this but it is possible Fielder is highly productive when he is 35.
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Possible? yes.
Probably? In my mind no, but that’s just my opinion.
Lets reconvene here in 9 years and see what was accomplished
before annointing the contract horrible and crippling. See ya then!
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Fair enough.
Just like the Pujols contract, the downside far outweighs the upside in terms of value. Now will they care if they manage to win a WS or two? Probably not.
a typical aging curve would put him at 1.5 wins or so.
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yah i dont think so.
fielder and cabrera? come on. thats 4 division titles in a row.
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you've been pushing kansas city for 3 years now.
when they get some pitching i’ll believe it. worst case? kc takes 2 of them. so the tigers are in 3 times and battling for wild card twice.
im disgusted. fielder is the guy we should have waited for. instead we jumped the gun with adam dung. now the tigers got him. i’m going to jump with jofp on the tiger bandwagon.
disheartening.
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I don't think anyone's been pushing KC for 2010-2012
2014-2016, yes.
by Craig Grebeck on Jan 24, 2012 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
and getting mad about the Dunn contract is just pointless. He's here. That's that.
by Craig Grebeck on Jan 24, 2012 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
i was pushing for fielder long before they fucked up and signed dunn. i'm allowed to bitch.
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sox would have never beat that contract
So you can bitch but it was never going to happen with or without Dunn.
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by BobbySouthSide on Jan 24, 2012 5:26 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
You seriously think KW and Reinsdorf would pony up that kind of cash and long term commitment?
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 24, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
Worse or pointless to complain about it at all?
by Craig Grebeck on Jan 24, 2012 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
Yup.
Interesting comment on the BTF thread:
As I have mentioned elsewhere, Scott does the smart approach in circumventing the baseball people and going directly to ownership.
Owners like to THINK they are good negotiators. Typically, they stink.
For those not aware this approach is termed “Hitting the C-suite” or similar references to only speaking to folks with C in their title. CEO. COO. Avoid the CFO who will think any expenditure is a bad idea.
Sorry if I am boring anyone. But what Scott is doing is VERY common as a Sales approach in corporate American and is typically ignored.
Reinsdorf, from what we can tell, is a pretty good negotiator. So they’re a bad fit.
by Jim Margalus on Jan 24, 2012 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
yah thats why we have to hope for a hail mary once every 95 years.
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Of all the things to whine about re: this team's front office
not giving Prince Fielder 9/$214 isn’t really up there for me.
by Craig Grebeck on Jan 24, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
You're standing between KenWo and his cub.
by Jim Margalus on Jan 24, 2012 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Very interesting.
I was just thinking, “How the heck did Boras get them to 9 years?” I could have sworn everything I read said that most teams weren’t willing to go past five. The guy must have put on one heck of a magic show to get this done.
the ALC isn't going to be battling for the wild card
for the foreseeable future.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
Sure they will
They will be two of them
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oh ffs.
ugh.
…can they come from the same division?
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
yep
the way i read it. Still has to be approved this for this year though
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i'd still doubt they'll be that competitive then.
it’s going to be 4 teams in the ALE pretty shortly. that plus the Rangers and Angels puts ALC teams behind the 8 ball imo. plus the play-in game is more like a 50/50 shot at the real playoffs.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
all of those east teams are going to beat up on each other.
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and everyone else too.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
I doubt it
A quick look at the last 10 years indicates it’ll be pretty competitive for that 2nd wild card spot. Ken’s right
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i think the point is that some things have changed, particularly out west.
it also gives the somewhat big money but not as big money AL east clubs more incentive to spend. the second wild card will change the dynamic.
fans have the luxury of not having to plan for things like the inevitability of the royals being competitive.
Oh stop it with the KC nutrub will you?
:-)
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by Teahenny Penny on Jan 24, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
i bet even KenWo would pass on that contract
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you'd think, but it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't.
i look forward to them being hamstrung by that in the years to come. though whether or not the white sox are able to take advantage, i am dubious.
They have some expensive contracts in VMart, Miggy, Prince, Verlander and some bullpen guys
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jan 24, 2012 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
with their salaries, i doubt there was much profit in it
i’d guess Dombrowski won’t even be there for the last 6 years of the deal to see it out. works nicely for him.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
ilitch doesn't care about profit and hasn't for the last decade. he's obscenely rich and wants a ring.
yeah, true. not like dombrowski isn't under orders.
but that’s a $200M commitment that probably guarantees the playoffs in 2012. 2013? not so much.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
obviously i did not know this.
good luck to the future tigers owner.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
When is Reinsdorf turning 83 I wonder....
For 2012 season: ALEX RIOS is my new TONY PENA.
by JofpGallagher on Jan 24, 2012 6:13 PM CST up reply actions
I was kidding....the google video was pretty cool though! Rec'ed
For 2012 season: ALEX RIOS is my new TONY PENA.
by JofpGallagher on Jan 24, 2012 8:27 PM CST up reply actions
Fun Fact on the Ilitchs from Wikipedia:
The family was presented the key to the City of Detroit by Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick on February 14, 2008. They are the fifth recipients of this award in the history of the city, the others being actor James Earl Jones, neurosurgeon Benjamin Carson, former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and Pittsburgh Steeler Jerome Bettis.
what an awful list
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One of these things is not like the others.
I mean, The Bus?! Come on!
What?! I ain't no Professor Pickles!
the bus is in my all time 3 headed monster with randall cunningham and tim brown!
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everything kwame kilpatrick does is gold.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
you'd bet wrong.
id take him. yah it might get ugly eventually… but for the next 5 years its going to be sunshine and rainbows in detroit.
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More like smog and cloudy skies.
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(Sigh). Okay, well, there's that now.
Kenny, does this put the Tigers in a better position to compete with us?
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jan 24, 2012 2:38 PM CST reply actions
This Fielder tomfoolery makes me wish we could trade everyone besides Dunn, Rios and Peavy
Lets trade everyone, now. Blow it up. Short term uncle.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
Now we're counting on those 3 to return to form
for Konerko to have another Konerko type year, Beckham to hit, De Aza to stay healthy, Viciedo to be average-ish, the bullpen to be fine, and the back of the rotation to be league average.
by Shoeless In SC on Jan 24, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
god dammit. my stomach hurts now. this shit makes me sick.
my favorite mlb player goes to the tigers to kick our asses for the next decade. thats just fucking swell. whats next? the twins sign andrew mccutchen? what a kick to my nuts.
and the bad part is i am happy for the tigers. i like them. always have.
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nope, heard the twins are trading for markakis
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eh makes as much sense
"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112
WHERE
did u hear this…didnt see it on mlbtraderumors or anything?
markakis, mccutchen and fielder are probably my 3 favorite players that have no sox connection in the league.
i’m disgusted that fielder signed with a division rival so i used mccutchen and markakis going to the other division rivals.
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i hope this allows the prince and big cecil to settle their differences over a big mac.
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as a fellow fat guy
i can spot someone who enjoys big slabs of beef from a mile away. literally.
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My own personal consolation for all of this
is that I’ll be getting a review copy soon of this little bad boy. I’ll let you guys know as soon as I can what Ozzie’s secrets to being such a winner are.
Who gives a crap about the Fielder signing?
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by South Side Expat on Jan 24, 2012 4:18 PM CST reply actions
you can use that free blanket to cuddle with after the prince hits 3 homers off of us on a crisp may evening to send us out of contention.
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out of contention in May?
That’s quite the slow start.
by Shoeless In SC on Jan 24, 2012 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
its even better for a start for detroit if thats the case
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free pizza and beer in the tigers clubhouse every night
and miggy and fielder need a schlep with a wheelbarrow to get them around by the end of the season.
Why Fielder?
Was this really a $200+ million dollar reactionary move? I get the old guy won’t be around forever so throwing money around is fine, but I am thinking I actually agree with Cameron on this. For less money, they could have signed maybe Reyes and Wilson (or even Buehrle). Then your rotation is solid all the way through, you move Peralta into that black hole at 3rd, and you have Reyes leading off instead of Austin Jackson and his 330ish obp.
what you and cameron don't seem to consider is that the martinez injury probably changed their thinking about what to do this offseason.
I have no doubt it did
But haven’t you (and many other people here) been saying replacing VMart’s production isn’t some monumental task and one of the retreads out there could come close?
Just seems like there is a gap between patching a hole at DH and giving out the 4th largest contract in the history of the sport. Just thought if the resources were there to give out a 200 million deal this offseason, they might have thought through some sort of plan.
yeah. it's not.
which doesn’t mean that an 82 year old owner would necessarily grasp that.
i would imagine the tigers had a rough win total that they wanted to hit this season, meaning (roughly) that they have a number that they think will give them a very high probability of winning the division and also being a talented enough team to compete in the playoffs. martinez may have lopped off, let’s be generous, 1.5 wins from where they were. the tigers were very likely to be doing something this offseason because, as i alluded to earlier, the tigers always do something. maybe they were previously targeting something(s) that would have added 3.5 wins. say, matt garza and cespedes. now they needed 5 wins. what gets you to about there? prince fielder.
I figured they were the favorites for Cespedes before this
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i think either way you choose it should include cespedes.
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