Fielder pushes Dunn deal off list of division's biggest contracts
In his evaluation of the Prince Fielder signing and its impact on the division, U-God noted that the Detroit Tigers just filled out the biggest contract in AL Central history. That made me wonder what the competition looked like, and here's what I was able to remember/discover. Let me know if I overlooked one.
1. Prince Fielder, 9 years, $214 million
Detroit, 2012
2. Joe Mauer, 8 years, $180 million
Minnesota, 2011
3. Miguel Cabrera, 8 years, $153 million
Detroit, 2008
4. Magglio Ordonez, 6 years, $90 million*
Detroit, 2005
5. Justin Verlander, 5 years, $80 million
Detroit, 2010
6. Justin Morneau, 6 years, $80 million
Minnesota, 2008
7. John Danks, 5 years, $65 million
Chicago, 2012
8. Alex Rios, 6 years, ~$62 million**
Chicago, 2009
9. Paul Konerko, 5 years, $60 million
Chicago, 2006
10. Travis Hafner, 4 years, $57 million
Cleveland, 2009
* Contract was originally five years and $75 million, but an $18 million option for 2010 vested, nullifying a $3 million buyout.
** Approximate amount of money owed to Rios at the time the White Sox claimed him off waivers.
Fielder's contract cost the White Sox a spot on the list, and you can take your pick.
One is Mark Buehrle, who signed a four-year, $56 million contract in 2007. He's off the board, and that Buehrle gave the Sox all that value without making that big of a dent underscores just how swell his White Sox career was all the way around.
Or you could choose Adam Dunn, whose identical dollar figure is spared the spotlight.
Dunn talked to Mark Gonzales and Daryl Van Schouwen, and no, he's not 30 pounds lighter (one demerit for Chuck Garfien's sources). But he is taking regular batting practice, even if more for fun than intense mechanical examination. He has also increased his core work, and is preparing to play in the field more if needed. I think this is all that can be expected, because Gordon Beckham worked out like a madman after the 2010 season, and he ended up in similar straits.
What was most interesting are the things he didn't say in Van Schouwen's account. For instance:
"I don’t want to make excuses. There are a few things that I probably look back on and say, ‘I shouldn’t have done this or that,’ a few things I probably would have done a little differently, but it’s over with. I can’t take it back. I don’t want to say anything that would sound like excuses. That’s the last thing I want because there are no excuses. I should have been able to get out of it, and I couldn’t.’’
It's a shame he wouldn't divulge even a one for anthropological reasons. The appendectomy would be so easy to blame, because he definitely rushed back. He was expected to hit the disabled list, but he was back after six days. And sure, Matt Holliday had his appendix removed without going to the DL, but he took 10 days to recover.
Ozzie Guillen didn't help matters, either. While writing about the surgery for White Sox Outsider 2012, I rediscovered Guillen's rationale for the early return: "[Dunn] was hungry to play. I figured out I love Jerry Reinsdorf, and if this guy is sitting on the bench, he’s making a lot of money with no production."
And speaking of Reinsdorf, Dunn might have picked up on the chairman's cue when discussing his former manager:
"I’ve never had a manager like Ozzie [Guillen],’’ Dunn said. ‘‘No one has ever had a manager like Ozzie. It’s going to be different. I don’t know how Robin is going to be, but I would imagine he’ll probably be more of a traditional manager. Not to say it was bad; it was just different. This will be something I’m more accustomed to as opposed to somebody like Ozzie, you know. There’s only one Ozzie.’’
Dunn said 73 words about Guillen, and not one of them can be taken as a definite positive. It's like sharing your favorite album with somebody who can barely get through a listen, and he/she doesn't have the heart to be honest.
"It was ... different."
(Can you elaborate?)
"The singer has a unique voice, certainly."
And then I thought of all the midsummer debates over Dunn's playing time. Guillen would not bench Dunn due to his payroll obligation, and we were told the Sox couldn't bench a veteran like Dunn because it's complex. Then, when the Sox promoted Dayan Viciedo and Dunn saw writing on the wall, the media ran to him to get a response, he simply said, "I'm a realist, not an idiot."
Granted, I could be drawing connections that aren't there. And no matter what, Guillen isn't responsible for the quality of Dunn's 2011, only the quantity. Dunn's season would have been a heaping helping of poison either way; Guillen just made a Golden Corral out of it. But given Dunn couldn't object to lost playing time, it seems reasonable to posit that the relentless failure wore him down.
Or maybe he's not saying that at all. As much as I'd like to know, it's a good sign that we can only guess. Huzzah for diplomacy. Huzzah for sucking it up. After sucking it up.

Going back to that list, the name that stands out is Magglio Ordonez. The Detroit Tigers gave big money to a non-elite player, who was coming off a big-time knee injury, no less. He had one elite year, posting 8.9 bWAR in 2007. In the other five years, he averaged 1.26 bWAR. He was vastly overpaid, but he didn't cripple the Tigers. They made the World Series in 2006, and they lost Game 163 to the Minnesota Twins in 2009.
Ordonez contributed 0.4 bWAR that year, and that's not even close to the biggest disparity between personal and team success. Look at last year, when he was as bad as Alex Rios during his one-year, $10 million contract. The Tigers won 95 games.
The point is, you can build a team despite one colossal bummer of a contract. Two is a different story, as the Twins can attest.
The White Sox had three last year.
Jake Peavy will be the closest to redeeming himself, one way or another. It's one year of frowns at the most, and the Sox could be free of him sooner than expected. He's a guy that could draw plenty of interest from a contender at the deadline as a three-month rental.
Then it's down to Dunn and Rios. Who knows which player stands a better chance at providing actual value, but let's roll with Dunn since we're already talking about him. We'll be assuming that Jeff Manto is The Donkey Whisperer and Dunn puts together a season that would be a godsend after last year's debacle -- 1.5 WAR, .221/.350/.452, 25 homers and 70 RBI, whatever your preferred measurement. Dunn will still be overpaid, but at least Robin Ventura can work with that.
Should that happen, the Sox are down to one complete loss, and almost every team with an eight-figure payroll has one of those. Then, it's just a matter of the surrounding talent, which is a whole 'nother problem if Gordon Beckham can't resuscitate his career. Still, in this optimistic scenario, at least the Sox aren't fighting a two-front war with their resources. That thought might not keep you warm right now, but at least we're having a mild winter.
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I think I'm not so bothered by the Fielder signing because
the White Sox aren’t going to be an upper-echelon team in 2012. It is what it is. It’ll be fun to watch Sale and Viciedo and (sometimes) De Aza, hope for some bounces, etc.
Nothing is as fun as watching a team contend.
But like you, there’s always players I’m interested to watch. I’d definitely add Morel to that list, I’ll be curious to see if he can carry over some of his late season success from 2011.
Heck everyone on this team should be “interesting to watch”, if not all for the right reasons. Can Humber remain an effective, if somewhat less productive, starter? Can Peavy stay healthy and earn himself a trade out of town at the deadline? Can Reed flourish in his rookie year and maybe even seize the closer job at some point? Beckham, Flowers, etc? Plenty to be interested in.
by polodude017 on Jan 25, 2012 9:33 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
One thing about Morel I'd like to know is who was he hitting well off of at the end of the year
Was it a bunch of September call ups or were they real MLB pitchers?
Don't get me wrong, I don't think he's anywhere close to the power hitter he showed late in the year.
But it certainly looked like he figured out how to wait on his pitch and drive the ball more. Even if he was doing that against less than stellar pitchers, the change in approach will help him moving forward.
I'm writing about that for tomorrow, probably
Barring breaking news. Or a better idea.
by Jim Margalus on Jan 25, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
Jim don't play favorites.
If you are going to steal joe’s ideas, steal mine too.
by polodude017 on Jan 25, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
Morel
Through out this time in the Minors he showed steady improvement.That is what we saw from him last year.My guess is next year will look like the last 10 weeks of last season,maybe a little better average,say 275.
Any chance of history repeating itself?
Big, lumbering, eft-handed hitting first baseman, with a consistent history of production, leaves the National League to sign a massive contract with an American League team. What could go wrong?
I'm contemplating my abdication.
And in the meantime, I’m searching for any morsel of optimism with which to head into the season.
Ozzie...
Rather than go to therapy can we just find a way to put that crazy, fucking ex in our rear-view mirror??? Resist the temptation to pick up when she calls? We know there’s a dry spell ahead considering the Prince Fielder situation; so let’s just hang out with our posse and forget about the Miami Sound Machine for a couple seasons…
And find some sap to take Rios off our hands…
by echo on Jan 25, 2012 8:00 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I like Miami Sound Machine
As far as the rest – you’re more than welcome to not talk about him. But at this point, I’m trying to finish a book about the 2011 season, and unfortunately, how Guillen ran the team is at the center of it.
So when new information or implications surface, I feel I should try to flesh them out, throw my version out there and see if I’m not seeing something, or forgot about other events. If people don’t think it’s worth talking about, by all means change the subject. But it wouldn’t be great for me to sit on undeveloped thoughts because they’re not fun to talk about.
by Jim Margalus on Jan 25, 2012 9:44 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I think you misunderstand me...
Ozzie is irritating, not your stories/writing. I just can’t wait for the Sox to be relevant again, the farm system restocked, and the drama involving the hothead to be a thing of the past. I will no doubt read anything about the Sox – good or bad.
I am excited to see if some of our guys can rebound now that the circus has mostly left town. Can’t wait to see this team rebuild.
Farm System restocked
Can not be restocked because it never was stocked.
by Lil Jimmy on Jan 25, 2012 7:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
uh, excuse me, Brian Anderson, hello.
seriously though the farm was held in high standing back then, despite no one amounting to a hill of beans except Gio and C Young.
For some reason referring to him as the "Miami Sound Machine"
Makes me think about him acting slightly awkward in a Miami club full of 20 and 30 year olds.. it would probably be cool the first few times but then get creepy
by 815Sox on Jan 25, 2012 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm choosing to be optimistic on Dunn until it's announced he's going in for a second appendectomy
Optimism on Gravy Boat*? Not so much.
*formerly known as Toe Boat
White Sox 2012: Helplessly rebuilding?
I am with you on Dunn
Not to the point that I am going to be surprised if he does bad, but I really think its to early to call his career totally over
There's a lot of middle ground between his career being over
and him living up to what was expected of him. He could rebound substantially and still be a major dissappointment.
Of course
But its also important to remember that this is his first terrible year and before that he was extremely consistent. I think its far more likely he bounces back. I don’t think anyone can say that he is completely shot after one bad year.
I'm pretty certain I said that 6 days was too short a time to come back from an appendectomy
but I can’t find out for sure because the search is busted.
How convenient.
Anyone with common sense would say that.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
First picture of Prince Fielder in a Tigers cap

by e-gus on Jan 25, 2012 9:22 AM CST reply actions 6 recs
The Cubs Zubaz are a nice touch.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
by U-God on Jan 25, 2012 9:40 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
thats how i dressed throughout the early 90s. lol
raiders zubaz… white sox shirt… san antonio spurs starter cap. lol
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Holy Crap - you were a gigantic douche ;)
I hope none of those pics are on the internet. If they are, I have an idea of why gainful employment has been eluding you.
Now bring us some damn ratings!
It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT
by rhythm on Jan 25, 2012 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
next time i'm bored at my parents house i'll try to find a few pictures of that era and post them. lol
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
I don't think I could let my kid out in public dressed like that.
by Shoeless In SC on Jan 25, 2012 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
most people probably would have assumed he ended up on the Giants
Please find Jay Cutler some help...
Will Prince be bringing his own defibrillator
or are the Tigers obligated to provide one for him in the dugout?
"I wouldn’t say I’m hitting five days a week…some weeks we won’t go at all." – Adam Dunn on his preparation routine for the 2012 season (1/24/12)
So Dunn has "also increased his core work".
I’d love to know what that means. Is he resting the beer can on his stomach now? Getting off the couch a few more times per day?
he sits up to get out of bed instead of rolling out.
by e-gus on Jan 25, 2012 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Walking to his local KFC
"I wouldn’t say I’m hitting five days a week…some weeks we won’t go at all." – Adam Dunn on his preparation routine for the 2012 season (1/24/12)
Based solely on what I learned from the Cespedes video
Core strength has something to do with having your feet elevated in stirrups while in a pushup position and doing a bunch of kicks and thrusts.
And pig roasts.
yes the old packers RB was one of the guys training cespedes
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
You don't understand what happened?
They flew Ahman Green down to the Dominican to train with him for a few weeks. He thanks him in his video and I believe calls him a good friend, right before showing his parents salsa dancing.
Maybe they have the same agent or something.
who said we weren't going to strike big on free agency!!!!!
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/01/white-sox-sign-scott-olsen.html
way to answer Kenny!!!!!
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
was already fanpost'd
"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112
coop project or organizational filler?
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jan 25, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
filler.
though he does have an option for next year, so maybe there is some hope of a hail mary.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
he's the guy who got into a fight with Miguel Cabrera
when they were Marlins teammates. so I hope he makes the team just to see what happens if they face another again.
also, i believe he is the only member of the organization who has been Tasered. so there’s that. (this is all per his overly detailed Wikipedia page)
is that why you replied to vanillablue?
"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112
by BoeJouma on Jan 25, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
You are not really actually expecting him to respond to a signing of Prince Fielder are you?
We are just going to have to wait this out, that contract will bite them in the ass soon enough
maybe when i'm 38 years old.
id rather not wait that long.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
not that long
I know we are not that far apart in age… so 38 has to be pretty decent length. Now its a fear of Kenny being at the helm that is a different situation. But Fielder very likely will age very quickly.
Gout and/or Type 2 diabetes seems to be the greatest threat to the Tigers at this point.
by FlyingSpaghettiMonster on Jan 25, 2012 1:30 PM CST reply actions 6 recs
Sometimes humor necessitates painting with a broad brush.
by FlyingSpaghettiMonster on Jan 25, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
The English are humourless.
Except for Benny Hill. That is one funny motherfucker. And Ricky Gervais. And Monty Python.
Never mind.
We're all here because we're not all there.
I will add Black Adder and Yes, (Prime) Minister to that list.
by FlyingSpaghettiMonster on Jan 25, 2012 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks for the tip - I just ordered the DVD of the first season.
by FlyingSpaghettiMonster on Jan 25, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
My (former) best friend's parents were always watching that show
when I was in high school. The Dad was from Czechoslovakia, the Mom from Australia, and they were in their cups every night guffawing to that fucking guy.
Old people need to die.
We're all here because we're not all there.
by winningugly on Jan 25, 2012 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I used to think gout was the same thing as a goiter, but it isn't
true story
Dave Martinez woulda had that.
Nice piece, Jim.
I wonder if Dunn is in or has considered therapy. Maybe there are no excuses, but there are reasons (perhaps more than slower bat speed). As much failure as he had in 2011, and being a professional athlete or not (maybe especially being a professional), it’s gotta be pretty hard to have your head right after that.
The lords of dawn are men such as Mr. Lucy.

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