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White Sox should make Chris Sale a starter, not put him in the bullpen

White Sox fans shouldn't want to see this.

Joe Cowley authored an opinion piece entitled "White Sox should make Chris Sale their closer, not put him in the rotation".

Well, allow me to retort. Joe's words are in bold:

The White Sox began the week tossing promotions around.

Buddy Bell had a snazzy new vice-president title thrown on the sign in his parking spot, and Nick Capra was named director of player development.

It's January so it's not unusual for promotions to happen at the start of the year.

Even left-hander Chris Sale took time out after his return from honeymooning in Maui to discuss his promotion. Sale, 22, is preparing to make the jump from proven reliever to promising starter.

That's great!

Too bad Sale’s promotion might be the one the Sox regret in early May.

I guess Cowley, like Keith Law, thinks Sale can't start in the big leagues.

Star-divide

There’s no question Sale has the stuff to be a big-league starter: four quality pitches, a fastball that can hit the dance floor in triple digits and short-term memory when it comes to watching his mistakes get hit over the outfield wall.

In talking to several scouts, one said the lanky flamethrower has "ace potential.’’

Wait, what?

But Sale also has staying power as a ninth-inning presence. As one member of the Sox’ organization said recently, "I wouldn’t be surprised if they have to pull Sale out of the rotation and make him the closer by the end of April.’’

Why would anyone pull an ace out of the rotation and make him a closer?

General manager Ken Williams had better hope that scenario doesn’t take place, but that’s what happens when you build a team with ifs and hopes.

I guess you're not going to answer that until you've gotten in your customary shot on KW.

The kid wants to be a starter, period. That was evident in Sale’s teleconference to start SoxFest week.

The difference in his tone when he spoke about taking the ball every fifth day compared to when he rehashed the last two years as a reliever was night and day.

"Don’t get me wrong, I had a good time and good moments out of the bullpen, but I guess you can say [starting] is something I have worked toward and am very excited that it’s here and I was given the opportunity," Sale said. "I truly believe I can do it.’’

So the White Sox want him to start, he wants to start, scouts think he should start, you think he has the stuff to start...but you think he should close.

Belief in his ability is not the problem here.

I'm guessing this means you'll stop fluffing Sale and finally get to your point.

Sale can go out there every five days and dominate, and it won’t mean a thing if the Sox can’t find an arm to consistently close out the ninth inning, especially with the Jekyll-and-Hyde offense the Sox are expected to have.

Well if he dominates that would mean KenWo probably could get those last three outs.

Last April is the most recent reminder. The team couldn’t close games and dug a division-race hole that they never seemed to get out of.

I see what you're getting at. Thank god the White Sox got rid of that Juan Pierre clown.

The problem is the Sox’ borderline-arrogant belief that closers grow on trees.

I know, totally. How could they believe that when their last four closers were well-credentialed vets like Shingo Takatsu (signed from Japan for $750K); Dustin Hermanson (signed for $2 million); Bobby Jenks (waiver wire pick-up); Sergio Santos (converted infielder). What arrogance! Since none of those guys worked out they should go back to the formula they used in 2003: acquire a guy who has shown he can close games. Where have you gone, Billy Koch.

Lefty Matt Thornton might be the early leader out of the gate to close, but there’s no guarantee he’ll even be around for the start of spring camp with continued speculation that Williams is still looking to shed salary.

Well, that settles it. A guy might be traded. Tell Sale to get his butt ready for a bullpen folding chair.

That would leave right-hander Addison Reed.

Reed’s résumé? He throws hard. That’s it. Maybe he’s good; maybe he’s a bust. Just another maybe for the Sox.

Great, so they've got a back-up plan.

Sale has shown he can handle the ninth. He has ninth-inning stuff.

...like just about every other legitimate starter in the majors. Let's convert all the starters into closers. With, like, seven closers, there's no way the White Sox lose a game in the ninth.

And that’s why the trade of Sergio Santos to Toronto for Nestor Molina in December is still a head-scratcher.

Santos wasn’t the perfect closer by any means (30 saves with a 3.55 ERA), but he was fiscally affordable, improving in the role and had very little wear and tear on his arm, considering he was a former infielder.

KW is crazy.

Even Sale thought his starting dreams were on hold when the Santos deal was announced. He immediately reached out to pitching coach Don Cooper for answers.

Dial 1-800-4COOPER. All the answers are in the Coop. Just watch your back.

"There is nothing like being the last guy in line and having that pressure on you,’’ Sale said. "Those are things you love to do. I thought for maybe a little bit — since they traded [Santos] — that I would be back in the bullpen.’’

Cooper reassured him that the starting plan was still in place, and Sale has spent the offseason preparing for it.

That aside was certainly informative.

That’s fine, but the Sox can’t ignore the obvious.

Sale will be limited to 140-150 innings. Williams already has said that entails skipping starts when they can and messing with the rotation during the All-Star break. Basically, it means another year of watching a starting rotation nurse off Cooper.

Thanks, Joe. That's an image I'm not going to be able to get out of my head.

That scenario can’t be described as getting the maximum out of your talent.

But being limited to 65 innings surely can.

If this team is "rebuilding,’’ like Williams said, why not put guys in the spots they can best flourish as well as help the team? If Williams is so high on Molina, as he gushed when he acquired him, get him ready to start.

I'm with you, Joe. Molina has 22 innings above A ball. The spot he can best flourish is in a major league rotation.

Look, Sale might be a great seven-inning pitcher.

Too bad that won’t mean a thing in the ninth.

Why do they even play those other eight innings?

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I wonder if Cowley is just trolling…or a complete baseball idiot? With a column like this I am leaning towards idiot.

by Rebel33322 on Jan 26, 2012 9:12 PM CST reply actions  

have you read his column??

woof

"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112

by BoeJouma on Jan 26, 2012 9:40 PM CST up reply actions  

He's like Chris Jericho's new character.

Except with words and being an asshole.

by WaughSox on Jan 26, 2012 9:45 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

nice!

wrestling comments always welcome.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Jan 26, 2012 11:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Welcome.

We're all here because we're not all there.

by winningugly on Jan 27, 2012 8:20 AM CST up reply actions  

the cooper line cracked me up

I have no problem with Jake Peavy or any other pitcher nursing off of Cooper

NAOPOS

by blackoutsox on Jan 26, 2012 9:14 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

right?

"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112

by BoeJouma on Jan 26, 2012 9:42 PM CST up reply actions  

hahahaha

"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112

by BoeJouma on Jan 26, 2012 9:42 PM CST up reply actions  

the ACE! as a CLOSER!!!

"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112

by BoeJouma on Jan 26, 2012 9:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks, larry.

I don’t even know where to begin picking my favorite part. I do enjoy the incredibly redundant “fiscally affordable”, as if he just wanted to make sure his readers were aware that he knew the meaning of the word “fiscally”.

"The Sox have a better home record than the Twins, but...we're not at home right now." -DJ

by Joist on Jan 26, 2012 9:19 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

It's like the mailbag! Only better!

Good stuff.

The lords of dawn are men such as Mr. Lucy.

by Uribe Down on Jan 26, 2012 9:25 PM CST reply actions  

this is my editor's cut.

the unedited, uncensored larry’s cut is available to subscribers of sbnation black .

by larry on Jan 26, 2012 9:30 PM CST up reply actions  

can it come in newsletter form?

i must say, i am intrigued by your ideas.

So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

by colintj on Jan 26, 2012 9:35 PM CST up reply actions  

And alternate cuts!

My responses were just, “Joakim Soria?” or “Joakim Soria.”

by Jim Margalus on Jan 26, 2012 9:43 PM CST up reply actions  

i speak for everyone when i say

please release it.

"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112

by BoeJouma on Jan 26, 2012 9:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Can this be pinned to the top for the rest of the offseason?

BRILLIANT work Larry!

Taking a walk in a donkey park listening to the wind of change

by LT_sox_fan on Jan 26, 2012 9:44 PM CST reply actions  

Are you going to SoxFest?

You always seem to attend these type of events. You know what to do if you are, take good notes and a lot of pictures for us chumps that are missing out!

Taking a walk in a donkey park listening to the wind of change

by LT_sox_fan on Jan 26, 2012 10:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha, this is going to be great

Never believe in anything until it has been officially denied should be your motto this weekend.

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Jan 27, 2012 10:08 AM CST up reply actions  

I want to know everything

I want to know what it smells like in there, I want to know what you eat and drink, I want all the minutaie Kenwo! You should be averaging two tweets a minute.

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Jan 27, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions  

im not going.

kenwo is our eyes and ears this weekend.

by e-gus on Jan 27, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

can't wait

to hear about the big hurt/hulkmania.

We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful what we pretend to be. -

by The Face on Jan 27, 2012 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm checking Cowley's archives

I want to read how he ripped Friedman in Tampa for picking Farnsworth to close.

by striker on Jan 26, 2012 9:49 PM CST reply actions  

I don't like Sale as a closer, either.

What good is a guy who’s limited to 140-150 innings when he can’t close all 162 games?

by mechanical turk on Jan 26, 2012 9:58 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

i do have something that i completely disagree with your post.

it’s with your photo caption. i absolutely want to see that picture. sale fist pounding flowers at the end of a game. flowers had just cought his 6th straight start, and sale just polished of a wonderful complete game shutout.

as a sox fan, i would love to see that, over and over.

"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112

by BoeJouma on Jan 26, 2012 9:59 PM CST reply actions  

One of Cowley's lower moments for sure.

I’m sure he could care less though as long as people are reading and talking about it.

by Matt Manzella on Jan 26, 2012 10:02 PM CST reply actions  

well,

he probably couldn’t care less, but while i may be talking about it at least i didn’t have to click on a link to read it. (or most of it)
fuck cowley.

"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck

by BuehrleMan on Jan 26, 2012 10:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I actually meant "could care less" thank you...

Cowley, despite his arrogance probably cares A LOT about what people think. He wouldn’t be so quick to try and defend himself if he didn’t. Thanks for trying to be grammar Nazi though.

by Matt Manzella on Jan 27, 2012 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

"be a grammar Nazi"

…and we prefer “Grammar fascists” if you please. We never goosestep.

"I'm holding out hope Reinsdorf can somehow use his amnesty clause on Rios"
-Duck99

by Hazymania on Jan 27, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

*Fascists...

I’m likely to be lined up and shot now.

"I'm holding out hope Reinsdorf can somehow use his amnesty clause on Rios"
-Duck99

by Hazymania on Jan 27, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

well, that doesn't make any sense then. also, i disagree with you.

also, calm down.

"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck

by BuehrleMan on Jan 27, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

'could care less' is meaningless.

everyone could care less from any position of caring.

by craigws on Jan 27, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok...

“as well as” makes no sense in context if you are telling the truth.

by Gentleman Jim on Jan 27, 2012 3:05 PM CST up reply actions  

its definitely not one of his lower moments.

"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112

by BoeJouma on Jan 26, 2012 10:08 PM CST up reply actions  

tanks larry. if i may, i'd like to add my own silliness to his idiocy.

Santos wasn’t the perfect closer by any means (30 saves with a 3.55 ERA), but he was fiscally affordable, improving in the role and had very little wear and tear on his arm, considering he was a former infielder.

what exactly is his criteria to declare “improving in the role”? in the last 30 games of the season (12 appearances, which comprised approximately 19% of his season) he had a 7.59 ERA and an OPS against him of .928. and it looks even worse if you just look at the month of september (9.35 ERA and OPSagainst of 1.057).

"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck

by BuehrleMan on Jan 26, 2012 10:03 PM CST reply actions  

i'm a little disappointed that this didn't end with

“DOES CHRIS SALE LOOK LIKE A BITCH?!”

So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

by colintj on Jan 26, 2012 10:11 PM CST reply actions  

Don't look at Quincy Jones

Quincy Jones is not going to help you.

"Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."

by boyonthedock on Jan 27, 2012 3:03 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

You are hereby required to attend the methup.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Jan 27, 2012 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I bought tickets the last 2 years

thought it was the next week two years ago, and my girlfriend made me attend something important to her that i completely forgot what it was on the same day last year.

and man, i go away for the offseason to blogabull because the bulls are awesome and now there are all these new names around here. Some of them probably don’t even know what color my curtains are.

"Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."

by boyonthedock on Jan 27, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

THE CLOSER IS THE MOST IMPORTANT POSITION IN BASEBALL

HERP DERP

"That baseball is the smartest thing out on that field." —Hawk Harrelson

by mikecws91 on Jan 26, 2012 10:40 PM CST reply actions  

i know a few people who would say the leadoff position is more important

"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112

by BoeJouma on Jan 27, 2012 8:09 AM CST up reply actions  

sweet jesus.

i think he’s just trying to piss us off.

by craigws on Jan 26, 2012 10:45 PM CST reply actions  

The 'infinite monkey theorem' on display

This is one of the rough drafts

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Jan 26, 2012 11:02 PM CST reply actions  

I just shed a single tear

"I'm holding out hope Reinsdorf can somehow use his amnesty clause on Rios"
-Duck99

by Hazymania on Jan 27, 2012 2:05 AM CST up reply actions  

you're always complaining about your shoulder and how you can't throw.

the implication of that sentence was that even a cripple could close the game.

by larry on Jan 26, 2012 11:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Has Joe Cowley ever heard of C.J. Wilson?

I am aware of all the inherent problems is making this comparison but just for kicks:

C.J. Wilson’s 2009 Stats
73.2 IP
10.3 K/9
3.9 BB/9
.37 HR/9
2.81 ERA

Chris Sale’s 2011 Stats
71 IP
10.0 K/9
3.4 BB/9
.76 HR/9
2.79 ERA

C.J Wilson threw just 48 IP in 2005, 58.2 IP in 2006, 68.1 in 2007, 46.1 in 2008. Didn’t seem to hurt his stamina throwing 204 IP in 2010 and 223 in 2011.

by Kodachrome on Jan 26, 2012 11:44 PM CST reply actions  

they are doing it with Feliz this year as well.

and ogando last year

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Jan 26, 2012 11:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Rangers may be on to something...

If (and that is a big if) we are contending and need bullpen help why not bring up Nestor Molina for late inning duty. Something to be said about getting major league hitters out vs. the hackers you see in AAA.

by Kodachrome on Jan 26, 2012 11:48 PM CST up reply actions  

i dont get that one, actually

Ogando moving back to the pen so they can take a chance on Feliz in the rotation? Why?

The guy threw fastballs 85% of the time while crater face has more pitches and was great last year, tiring a bit down the stretch, but still.

I’d go with “if it aint broke, don’t try and fix it” there, and I could see them switching roles again if/when it doesn’t work.

by e-gus on Jan 27, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

it was only 80% of the time, but whatever.

unless you’re being quite generous to ogando’s “changeup”, they have the same number of pitches.

by larry on Jan 27, 2012 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

we'll see if it works, i guess

i don’t really trust nathan to close anymore either but that’s a different issue entirely.

by e-gus on Jan 27, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Protect the kid

I’d hate to see Sale throw more than 160 IP next year.

Also, I refuse to read the Cowley article. Did he mention who he thought should be in the rotation instead of Sale

by Kodachrome on Jan 26, 2012 11:51 PM CST up reply actions  

molina

"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112

by BoeJouma on Jan 27, 2012 8:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Hawk Harrelson

Also objects to this Sale to the rotation nonsense. After all, you can only go as far as your bullpen can take you. That’s just science!

by BurlyBuehrle on Jan 27, 2012 1:53 AM CST reply actions  

Sigh.

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Jan 27, 2012 4:16 AM CST reply actions  

The guy is a complete idiot

I guess if being funny is a positive ……

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Jan 27, 2012 7:15 AM CST via Android app up reply actions  

I think it's pretty clear that you came back at the same time a certain former Mass. governor closed his Swiss accounts,

Coincidence that you’re back in Boston? Ha!

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Jan 27, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Only until he changes his answer.

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Jan 27, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Btw my bank was pretty strict that once I notified I was leaving CH

They were going to close my CH account. Unsure if they would have gave a shit say 5 years ago…Not like I was hording millions of dollars or Jason Bourne for them to even care though

by onlysoxfaninboston on Jan 27, 2012 11:49 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Yep. especially if it was UBS.

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Jan 27, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

when will you be diagnosing Cowpie's "wake" article?

where do I sign up for his gig; {1} write a column following a predictable outline, {2} get paid

White Sox 2012: Helplessly rebuilding?

by greenlight on Jan 27, 2012 6:10 AM CST reply actions  

i'm picturing how much fun you had writing this

just a slam dunk

Easy chief
We’re a community - Tdogg

by Jack M on Jan 27, 2012 7:58 AM CST reply actions  

love this

i actually read cowley’s column first, and became dumbfounded with how stupid it was and how someone that clueless gets to write about the white sox. This article was pure genius, however. It still blows my mind how some people can’t seem to understand how meaningless the save stat is, especially on a bad team. If cowley had any brains, he’d understand its better for KW to try to rebuild thornton’s value in the first half of this year (not that his value is all that low) and try to ship him off before the deadline.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Jan 27, 2012 8:14 AM CST reply actions  

I enjoy the "Fire Joe Morgan" format.

Excellent content and style.

We're all here because we're not all there.

by winningugly on Jan 27, 2012 8:50 AM CST reply actions  

i know i'm eager for the season to begin

but here’s another reason… no more idle time for writers to come up with stuff like this.

by ruffster on Jan 27, 2012 8:50 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

I like that the lunatic blogger is the voice of reason, in this continuing play about Cowley, by Cowley, for Cowley.

It’s like Joe called into a larry’s postgame radio show to say he hates Kenny, but he’s going to try to say it without saying, “I hate Kenny.”

funny stuff, larry.

Why buy the cow when the milk is kinda bitchy?

by SkanchoDanza on Jan 27, 2012 9:31 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

via Heyman
juan pierre likely to sign with phils (as @JSalisburyCSN 1st said suggested). expected to be minor-league deal

Ha.

by Craig Grebeck on Jan 27, 2012 9:49 AM CST reply actions  

love the adjectives some of the beat writers use for these guys

https://twitter.com/#!/BNightengale/status/162943040766480385

Nice move by the #Phillies in signing class act Juan Pierre, who provides plenty of speed and energy to a veteran team. #mlb

Easy chief
We’re a community - Tdogg

by Jack M on Jan 27, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Juan Pierre wasn't good enough to garner a major league contract

But Juan Pierre was good enough to start more games and receive more plate appearances than any Sox player in both 2010 and 2011. Sounds about right.

Who the hell is going to teach these young guys how to work hard and be a pro?

by MelidoPerez on Jan 27, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

i guess juan pierre still can steal.

but, then, everyone can steal on the white sox.

by larry on Jan 27, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

So now he is a drug dealer and a thief?

I suppose next you’ll call him a liar.

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Jan 27, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

HI JU

HI JUAN
WE CAN PLAY GAMES MORE NOW!

by South Side Expat on Jan 27, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Wow, didn't realize that happened.

Hell, I didn’t realize he made a stop back in Cleveland last season.

Retire, Masher. It’s time.

"I considered throwing a volley, but since I'm considerably closer to Ford City than Dodge City, I figure it might have been misinterpreted."

by RWShow on Jan 27, 2012 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

the best part.

is that juan is fighting with pods for a bench spot.

by larry on Jan 27, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Didn't even realize that

Phillies camp will have a nice Sox of yesteryear contingent. Ross Gload talking shop with Thome, as Pods and Pierre hone their declining running game, while off in the distance Contreras gets his 48 year old shoulder loose.

by MelidoPerez on Jan 27, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

IF ONLY WE CUD GET DEM TO TAYKE RIOSS!

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Jan 27, 2012 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I think they should make Sale a catcher instead of a pitcher.

We have already seen that shortstops can be converted to relievers. Why not end Cowley’s dilemma and solve the upcoming catcher problem in one fell swoop?

This space is available.

by MrBungle on Jan 27, 2012 11:41 AM CST reply actions  

Love the column, larry

Sometimes when something is so illogical and self-contradictory it can be hard to address all of the idiocy in a concise way, and you did that very well.

by Pumpkin McPastry on Jan 27, 2012 12:08 PM CST reply actions  

In the off off off offfffffffffffffffffffffff-chance the Sox DO end up competing

What is to be done? I’m not implying that I agree with Cowley, just more of a curiosity. If Sale’s limit is 160ish innings, would he still be shut down for the better part of September/unlikely playoff run or would they put the pressure on his arm and hope for the best?

"I'm holding out hope Reinsdorf can somehow use his amnesty clause on Rios"
-Duck99

by Hazymania on Jan 27, 2012 12:14 PM CST reply actions  

I sincerely believe that if the Sox are contending at the trade deadline...

Kenny will go out and get some help. And it could possibly be another starter.

"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic" - Crash Davis

by Servant2LordBeckham on Jan 27, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

If the Sox are in need of a starter at the deadline

they probably won’t be in contention. Unless it’s a shitty veteran swing-man for depth’s sake.

by Craig Grebeck on Jan 27, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

So you're saying they'll throw caution to the wind and assume Sale can start...

through September and possibly into October?

"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic" - Crash Davis

by Servant2LordBeckham on Jan 27, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Axelrod and Stewart

can at least provide innings depth/relief, even if it’s with fringe-y quality, and I wouldn’t blame you if you were a bit more optimistic about their potential contributions.

by Pumpkin McPastry on Jan 27, 2012 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

has anyone been watching baseball iq on mlb network?

surprisingly, i’ve been enjoying it. in any event, if any of you are, the white sox representative, dan fabian, will be on 2/7. as some of you know, fabian is the white sox stats guy.

by larry on Jan 27, 2012 1:16 PM CST reply actions  

Saw part of it last night.

It’s good, if slow. Watching people think isn’t all that entertaining. Will view again, though.

The lords of dawn are men such as Mr. Lucy.

by Uribe Down on Jan 27, 2012 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

just a little tip.

the point of watching a game show is to play along, not watch people think.

by larry on Jan 27, 2012 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh! Got it now. Thanks.

Was still slow. Once they (and me) would get some of the more obvious answers, the camera would just stay on them. Either you can come up with someone or you can’t. They could fit twice as much trivia in there if they wanted.

The lords of dawn are men such as Mr. Lucy.

by Uribe Down on Jan 27, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah feel the same way

Enjoyable show for sure, but if they had a few different segments it might be better. Maybe some jeopardy style trivia where there is one answer and you get through more questions. It can drag a bit when it is one subject with 17 answers.

by MelidoPerez on Jan 27, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

i guess i'm a schlub who keeps searching my brain until the time runs out.

i enjoy the exhaustiveness of the answer lists. but i’m a sucker for the arcane.

by larry on Jan 27, 2012 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

don't be ridiculous, bos

he is the guy who keeps track of how many outs there are

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Jan 27, 2012 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Someone made an edit to Cowley's wikipedia page...

LINK

It made me chuckle.

"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic" - Crash Davis

by Servant2LordBeckham on Jan 27, 2012 1:24 PM CST reply actions  

.....

“Cowley is currently engaged to Oney Guillen, son of Miami Marlins manager Ozzie Guillen, and is seeking a new career in either Miami or Pittsburgh, considering he mocks all things Chicago he has no reason to stay”

"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic" - Crash Davis

by Servant2LordBeckham on Jan 27, 2012 1:25 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

that is too funny

still up at 5:44 CST.

Taking a walk in a donkey park listening to the wind of change

by LT_sox_fan on Jan 27, 2012 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Ed Farmer was on wscr and thinks Sale should close. I think Thorton should get another chance.

He also said he’s more concerned about Peavy’s torn groin muscle than his arm. He said he was shut down at the end of the year because of a torn groin. I knew he had a problem in June but I didn’t realize it was torn at the end of the year.

by Rick B on Jan 27, 2012 1:49 PM CST reply actions  

before anyone gets crazy about a torn muscle.

the actual term is a muscle strain. and it really isn’t something to be concerned about.

by larry on Jan 27, 2012 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought his umm, muscle detached from his groin

and took that as a good thing.

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Jan 27, 2012 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Farmer for Sale joins Mitch Williams and his stumping for Feliz

Those guys must have some really interesting ideas about how valuable they were back when they held the almighty closer role.

I think if you needed to gauge somebody’s baseball common sense in about 15 seconds, you can just ask them their take on the importance of closers.

by MelidoPerez on Jan 27, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I usually tell people that closers are important

it just doesn’t matter who they are.

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Jan 27, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Never. Been. A fan.

"I'm holding out hope Reinsdorf can somehow use his amnesty clause on Rios"
-Duck99

by Hazymania on Jan 27, 2012 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

If you're Keith Law and you think Sale's mechanics won't hold up for that many innings

fine, many people may disagree with you, but fine. That’s a reasonable argument stacked against the meathead-ology of Farmer and Cowley.

by Craig Grebeck on Jan 27, 2012 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Tomorrow's Soxfest Column from Cowley

Why the Sox are wasting Konerko by giving him all those unimportant at bats. Make him a pinch hitter, and then use him when you really need him, like Sale.

by MelidoPerez on Jan 27, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Okay, call me a spelling fascist.

What kills me almost as much as Buehrle slip-ups is “Thorton.” Could be a simple mistake, happens to everyone, but it’s Thornton. Thorn. Ton.

The lords of dawn are men such as Mr. Lucy.

by Uribe Down on Jan 27, 2012 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

FENTON!

Easy chief
We’re a community - Tdogg

by Jack M on Jan 27, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Pretty sure

Cowley is among the last generation of horrendous columnists to draw undeserved salaries for decades while writing crummy columns and diddling adolescent relatives in their abundant spare time.

Not sure anyone will get paid for content in the years to come but I expect a huge increase in mainstream quality as the airwaves and newsprint get taken over by excellent writers such as those featured on this blog.

by Gentleman Jim on Jan 27, 2012 3:17 PM CST reply actions  

This is truly fantastic, lar.

"Don Cooper, to the O.R! We have a bleeder!" - SkanchoDanza

by homesickalien on Jan 27, 2012 3:32 PM CST reply actions  

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