White Sox should make Chris Sale a starter, not put him in the bullpen
Joe Cowley authored an opinion piece entitled "White Sox should make Chris Sale their closer, not put him in the rotation".
Well, allow me to retort. Joe's words are in bold:
The White Sox began the week tossing promotions around.
Buddy Bell had a snazzy new vice-president title thrown on the sign in his parking spot, and Nick Capra was named director of player development.
It's January so it's not unusual for promotions to happen at the start of the year.
Even left-hander Chris Sale took time out after his return from honeymooning in Maui to discuss his promotion. Sale, 22, is preparing to make the jump from proven reliever to promising starter.
That's great!
Too bad Sale’s promotion might be the one the Sox regret in early May.
I guess Cowley, like Keith Law, thinks Sale can't start in the big leagues.
There’s no question Sale has the stuff to be a big-league starter: four quality pitches, a fastball that can hit the dance floor in triple digits and short-term memory when it comes to watching his mistakes get hit over the outfield wall.
In talking to several scouts, one said the lanky flamethrower has "ace potential.’’
Wait, what?
But Sale also has staying power as a ninth-inning presence. As one member of the Sox’ organization said recently, "I wouldn’t be surprised if they have to pull Sale out of the rotation and make him the closer by the end of April.’’
Why would anyone pull an ace out of the rotation and make him a closer?
General manager Ken Williams had better hope that scenario doesn’t take place, but that’s what happens when you build a team with ifs and hopes.
I guess you're not going to answer that until you've gotten in your customary shot on KW.
The kid wants to be a starter, period. That was evident in Sale’s teleconference to start SoxFest week.
The difference in his tone when he spoke about taking the ball every fifth day compared to when he rehashed the last two years as a reliever was night and day.
"Don’t get me wrong, I had a good time and good moments out of the bullpen, but I guess you can say [starting] is something I have worked toward and am very excited that it’s here and I was given the opportunity," Sale said. "I truly believe I can do it.’’
So the White Sox want him to start, he wants to start, scouts think he should start, you think he has the stuff to start...but you think he should close.
Belief in his ability is not the problem here.
I'm guessing this means you'll stop fluffing Sale and finally get to your point.
Sale can go out there every five days and dominate, and it won’t mean a thing if the Sox can’t find an arm to consistently close out the ninth inning, especially with the Jekyll-and-Hyde offense the Sox are expected to have.
Well if he dominates that would mean KenWo probably could get those last three outs.
Last April is the most recent reminder. The team couldn’t close games and dug a division-race hole that they never seemed to get out of.
I see what you're getting at. Thank god the White Sox got rid of that Juan Pierre clown.
The problem is the Sox’ borderline-arrogant belief that closers grow on trees.
I know, totally. How could they believe that when their last four closers were well-credentialed vets like Shingo Takatsu (signed from Japan for $750K); Dustin Hermanson (signed for $2 million); Bobby Jenks (waiver wire pick-up); Sergio Santos (converted infielder). What arrogance! Since none of those guys worked out they should go back to the formula they used in 2003: acquire a guy who has shown he can close games. Where have you gone, Billy Koch.
Lefty Matt Thornton might be the early leader out of the gate to close, but there’s no guarantee he’ll even be around for the start of spring camp with continued speculation that Williams is still looking to shed salary.
Well, that settles it. A guy might be traded. Tell Sale to get his butt ready for a bullpen folding chair.
That would leave right-hander Addison Reed.
Reed’s résumé? He throws hard. That’s it. Maybe he’s good; maybe he’s a bust. Just another maybe for the Sox.
Great, so they've got a back-up plan.
Sale has shown he can handle the ninth. He has ninth-inning stuff.
...like just about every other legitimate starter in the majors. Let's convert all the starters into closers. With, like, seven closers, there's no way the White Sox lose a game in the ninth.
And that’s why the trade of Sergio Santos to Toronto for Nestor Molina in December is still a head-scratcher.
Santos wasn’t the perfect closer by any means (30 saves with a 3.55 ERA), but he was fiscally affordable, improving in the role and had very little wear and tear on his arm, considering he was a former infielder.
KW is crazy.
Even Sale thought his starting dreams were on hold when the Santos deal was announced. He immediately reached out to pitching coach Don Cooper for answers.
Dial 1-800-4COOPER. All the answers are in the Coop. Just watch your back.
"There is nothing like being the last guy in line and having that pressure on you,’’ Sale said. "Those are things you love to do. I thought for maybe a little bit — since they traded [Santos] — that I would be back in the bullpen.’’
Cooper reassured him that the starting plan was still in place, and Sale has spent the offseason preparing for it.
That aside was certainly informative.
That’s fine, but the Sox can’t ignore the obvious.
Sale will be limited to 140-150 innings. Williams already has said that entails skipping starts when they can and messing with the rotation during the All-Star break. Basically, it means another year of watching a starting rotation nurse off Cooper.
Thanks, Joe. That's an image I'm not going to be able to get out of my head.
That scenario can’t be described as getting the maximum out of your talent.
But being limited to 65 innings surely can.
If this team is "rebuilding,’’ like Williams said, why not put guys in the spots they can best flourish as well as help the team? If Williams is so high on Molina, as he gushed when he acquired him, get him ready to start.
I'm with you, Joe. Molina has 22 innings above A ball. The spot he can best flourish is in a major league rotation.
Look, Sale might be a great seven-inning pitcher.
Too bad that won’t mean a thing in the ninth.
Why do they even play those other eight innings?
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Brillant
I wonder if Cowley is just trolling…or a complete baseball idiot? With a column like this I am leaning towards idiot.
have you read his column??
woof
"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112
He's like Chris Jericho's new character.
Except with words and being an asshole.
by WaughSox on Jan 26, 2012 9:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Heh, trolling.
As if the Sun-Times started receiving spam or junk mail from this guy years ago, and one day an editor just gave in. “Fuck it. We’re sending it to print.”
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The lords of dawn are men such as Mr. Lucy.
by Uribe Down on Jan 26, 2012 9:54 PM CST up reply actions 7 recs
the cooper line cracked me up
I have no problem with Jake Peavy or any other pitcher nursing off of Cooper
NAOPOS
by blackoutsox on Jan 26, 2012 9:14 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
It worked out well when Cubs did it with Zambrano
It was then I realized vegans can’t be trusted
by Scotty Ballgame on Jan 26, 2012 9:15 PM CST reply actions
the ACE! as a CLOSER!!!
"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112
It worked with John Smoltz...back and forth
For 2012 season: ALEX RIOS is my new TONY PENA.
by JofpGallagher on Jan 27, 2012 6:10 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks, larry.
I don’t even know where to begin picking my favorite part. I do enjoy the incredibly redundant “fiscally affordable”, as if he just wanted to make sure his readers were aware that he knew the meaning of the word “fiscally”.
"The Sox have a better home record than the Twins, but...we're not at home right now." -DJ
by Joist on Jan 26, 2012 9:19 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
can it come in newsletter form?
i must say, i am intrigued by your ideas.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
And alternate cuts!
My responses were just, “Joakim Soria?” or “Joakim Soria.”
by Jim Margalus on Jan 26, 2012 9:43 PM CST up reply actions
i speak for everyone when i say
please release it.
"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112
Can this be pinned to the top for the rest of the offseason?
BRILLIANT work Larry!
Taking a walk in a donkey park listening to the wind of change
Are you going to SoxFest?
You always seem to attend these type of events. You know what to do if you are, take good notes and a lot of pictures for us chumps that are missing out!
Taking a walk in a donkey park listening to the wind of change
i will be at soxfest... tweeting from the event. follow me @KenWo4LiFe
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Haha, this is going to be great
Never believe in anything until it has been officially denied should be your motto this weekend.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
I want to know everything
I want to know what it smells like in there, I want to know what you eat and drink, I want all the minutaie Kenwo! You should be averaging two tweets a minute.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
Not sure why I wasn't following you before, but I am now
"I'm holding out hope Reinsdorf can somehow use his amnesty clause on Rios"
-Duck99
can't wait
to hear about the big hurt/hulkmania.
We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful what we pretend to be. -
I'm checking Cowley's archives
I want to read how he ripped Friedman in Tampa for picking Farnsworth to close.
I don't like Sale as a closer, either.
What good is a guy who’s limited to 140-150 innings when he can’t close all 162 games?
by mechanical turk on Jan 26, 2012 9:58 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
i do have something that i completely disagree with your post.
it’s with your photo caption. i absolutely want to see that picture. sale fist pounding flowers at the end of a game. flowers had just cought his 6th straight start, and sale just polished of a wonderful complete game shutout.
as a sox fan, i would love to see that, over and over.
"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112
One of Cowley's lower moments for sure.
I’m sure he could care less though as long as people are reading and talking about it.
well,
he probably couldn’t care less, but while i may be talking about it at least i didn’t have to click on a link to read it. (or most of it)
fuck cowley.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
I actually meant "could care less" thank you...
Cowley, despite his arrogance probably cares A LOT about what people think. He wouldn’t be so quick to try and defend himself if he didn’t. Thanks for trying to be grammar Nazi though.
by Matt Manzella on Jan 27, 2012 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
"be a grammar Nazi"
…and we prefer “Grammar fascists” if you please. We never goosestep.
"I'm holding out hope Reinsdorf can somehow use his amnesty clause on Rios"
-Duck99
*Fascists...
I’m likely to be lined up and shot now.
"I'm holding out hope Reinsdorf can somehow use his amnesty clause on Rios"
-Duck99
I hope in 50 years people start using the term Grammar Islamofascist
Or Grammar al Qaeda Sleeper Agent
My Fascist Terrorists are white
"I'm holding out hope Reinsdorf can somehow use his amnesty clause on Rios"
-Duck99
well, that doesn't make any sense then. also, i disagree with you.
also, calm down.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
Ok...
“as well as” makes no sense in context if you are telling the truth.
by Gentleman Jim on Jan 27, 2012 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
its definitely not one of his lower moments.
"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112
tanks larry. if i may, i'd like to add my own silliness to his idiocy.
Santos wasn’t the perfect closer by any means (30 saves with a 3.55 ERA), but he was fiscally affordable, improving in the role and had very little wear and tear on his arm, considering he was a former infielder.
what exactly is his criteria to declare “improving in the role”? in the last 30 games of the season (12 appearances, which comprised approximately 19% of his season) he had a 7.59 ERA and an OPS against him of .928. and it looks even worse if you just look at the month of september (9.35 ERA and OPSagainst of 1.057).
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
Cowley meant that he went from 1 save in 2010 to 30 in 2011.
That’s probably JC’s idea of sabermetrics.
by FlyingSpaghettiMonster on Jan 26, 2012 10:09 PM CST up reply actions
i'm a little disappointed that this didn't end with
“DOES CHRIS SALE LOOK LIKE A BITCH?!”
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
Don't look at Quincy Jones
Quincy Jones is not going to help you.
"Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."
by boyonthedock on Jan 27, 2012 3:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You are hereby required to attend the methup.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
I bought tickets the last 2 years
thought it was the next week two years ago, and my girlfriend made me attend something important to her that i completely forgot what it was on the same day last year.
and man, i go away for the offseason to blogabull because the bulls are awesome and now there are all these new names around here. Some of them probably don’t even know what color my curtains are.
"Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."
by boyonthedock on Jan 27, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
THE CLOSER IS THE MOST IMPORTANT POSITION IN BASEBALL
HERP DERP
"That baseball is the smartest thing out on that field." —Hawk Harrelson
i know a few people who would say the leadoff position is more important
"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112
I dig the avatar, mike.
Why buy the cow when the milk is kinda bitchy?
by SkanchoDanza on Jan 27, 2012 9:35 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
The 'infinite monkey theorem' on display
This is one of the rough drafts
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
Easily JC's blurst article
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
by Rhubarb on Jan 26, 2012 11:04 PM CST up reply actions 7 recs
I just shed a single tear
"I'm holding out hope Reinsdorf can somehow use his amnesty clause on Rios"
-Duck99
i could close that shit out if it was 1-0 and i entered with the bags juiced and nobody out.
lets get real larry.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Has Joe Cowley ever heard of C.J. Wilson?
I am aware of all the inherent problems is making this comparison but just for kicks:
C.J. Wilson’s 2009 Stats
73.2 IP
10.3 K/9
3.9 BB/9
.37 HR/9
2.81 ERA
Chris Sale’s 2011 Stats
71 IP
10.0 K/9
3.4 BB/9
.76 HR/9
2.79 ERA
C.J Wilson threw just 48 IP in 2005, 58.2 IP in 2006, 68.1 in 2007, 46.1 in 2008. Didn’t seem to hurt his stamina throwing 204 IP in 2010 and 223 in 2011.
they are doing it with Feliz this year as well.
and ogando last year
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Rangers may be on to something...
If (and that is a big if) we are contending and need bullpen help why not bring up Nestor Molina for late inning duty. Something to be said about getting major league hitters out vs. the hackers you see in AAA.
would be concerned that it would slow his development of his secondary pitches
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
i dont get that one, actually
Ogando moving back to the pen so they can take a chance on Feliz in the rotation? Why?
The guy threw fastballs 85% of the time while crater face has more pitches and was great last year, tiring a bit down the stretch, but still.
I’d go with “if it aint broke, don’t try and fix it” there, and I could see them switching roles again if/when it doesn’t work.
we'll see if it works, i guess
i don’t really trust nathan to close anymore either but that’s a different issue entirely.
Protect the kid
I’d hate to see Sale throw more than 160 IP next year.
Also, I refuse to read the Cowley article. Did he mention who he thought should be in the rotation instead of Sale
Hawk Harrelson
Also objects to this Sale to the rotation nonsense. After all, you can only go as far as your bullpen can take you. That’s just science!
Sigh.
"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."
John Kenneth Galbraith
The guy is a complete idiot
I guess if being funny is a positive ……
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
by Tdogg on Jan 27, 2012 7:15 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I think it's pretty clear that you came back at the same time a certain former Mass. governor closed his Swiss accounts,
Coincidence that you’re back in Boston? Ha!
"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."
John Kenneth Galbraith
Mmm Romney is a white sox fan too
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jan 27, 2012 11:46 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Only until he changes his answer.
"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."
John Kenneth Galbraith
by Chiburb on Jan 27, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Btw my bank was pretty strict that once I notified I was leaving CH
They were going to close my CH account. Unsure if they would have gave a shit say 5 years ago…Not like I was hording millions of dollars or Jason Bourne for them to even care though
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jan 27, 2012 11:49 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yep. especially if it was UBS.
"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."
John Kenneth Galbraith
are you calling me a privileged elite ????
if you are, then say it…otherwise…
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jan 27, 2012 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
Geez, lighten up.
We're all here because we're not all there.
by winningugly on Jan 27, 2012 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
when will you be diagnosing Cowpie's "wake" article?
where do I sign up for his gig; {1} write a column following a predictable outline, {2} get paid
White Sox 2012: Helplessly rebuilding?
Cowley's right.
The first thing every rebuilding team needs is a reliable closer, not a consensus, young ace-in-the-making.
It’s like when international relief agencies arrive at the scene of a natural disaster which has rendered thousands of people homeless. Item one on their rebuilding agenda? Install the crown molding.
by Secret Chimp on Jan 27, 2012 7:00 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
i'm picturing how much fun you had writing this
just a slam dunk
Easy chief
We’re a community - Tdogg
love this
i actually read cowley’s column first, and became dumbfounded with how stupid it was and how someone that clueless gets to write about the white sox. This article was pure genius, however. It still blows my mind how some people can’t seem to understand how meaningless the save stat is, especially on a bad team. If cowley had any brains, he’d understand its better for KW to try to rebuild thornton’s value in the first half of this year (not that his value is all that low) and try to ship him off before the deadline.
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
"The problem is the Sox’ borderline-arrogant belief that closers grow on trees."
Hedge much, Mr. Opinion Haver? Aside from this just being out-and-out wrong (as noted in larry’s best graph above), why is it “borderline,” pussy? Call it arrogance if it’s arrogance. It’s not like that’s a particularly subtle quality. And what’s on the other side of your arbitrary Border of Arrogance? Humbletyville? Unhubristan? It’s become pretty ostensible what Joe’s “process” entails when he can’t simply anonymously source his only source and just make shit up:
1. Take Mariotti column
2. Use “Replace All” function in Word 97 to change “JR” to “KW”
3. Suck.
by dr. lingerie on Jan 27, 2012 8:37 AM CST reply actions 8 recs
I enjoy the "Fire Joe Morgan" format.
Excellent content and style.
We're all here because we're not all there.
i know i'm eager for the season to begin
but here’s another reason… no more idle time for writers to come up with stuff like this.
by ruffster on Jan 27, 2012 8:50 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I like that the lunatic blogger is the voice of reason, in this continuing play about Cowley, by Cowley, for Cowley.
It’s like Joe called into a larry’s postgame radio show to say he hates Kenny, but he’s going to try to say it without saying, “I hate Kenny.”
funny stuff, larry.
Why buy the cow when the milk is kinda bitchy?
by SkanchoDanza on Jan 27, 2012 9:31 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
By this point I'd have to imagine Cowley falls asleep each night dreaming of Ozzie sodomizing Coop with Sale's fallen off arm
while Oney dances around the maypole.
by Sox-35th on Jan 27, 2012 9:34 AM CST reply actions 5 recs
oh boy, cowley coming up on the score.
by obnoxious american on Jan 27, 2012 9:39 AM CST reply actions
he's speaking for the fanbase.
what a hero.
by obnoxious american on Jan 27, 2012 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
via Heyman
juan pierre likely to sign with phils (as @JSalisburyCSN 1st said suggested). expected to be minor-league deal
Ha.
love the adjectives some of the beat writers use for these guys
https://twitter.com/#!/BNightengale/status/162943040766480385
Nice move by the #Phillies in signing class act Juan Pierre, who provides plenty of speed and energy to a veteran team. #mlb
Easy chief
We’re a community - Tdogg
Who do you think will supply the White Sox with speed and energy with Pierre in Philly and Sam Hurd in prison?
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
Juan Pierre wasn't good enough to garner a major league contract
But Juan Pierre was good enough to start more games and receive more plate appearances than any Sox player in both 2010 and 2011. Sounds about right.
Who the hell is going to teach these young guys how to work hard and be a pro?
by MelidoPerez on Jan 27, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
So now he is a drug dealer and a thief?
I suppose next you’ll call him a liar.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
HI JU
HI JUAN
WE CAN PLAY GAMES MORE NOW!
by South Side Expat on Jan 27, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow, didn't realize that happened.
Hell, I didn’t realize he made a stop back in Cleveland last season.
Retire, Masher. It’s time.
"I considered throwing a volley, but since I'm considerably closer to Ford City than Dodge City, I figure it might have been misinterpreted."
Didn't even realize that
Phillies camp will have a nice Sox of yesteryear contingent. Ross Gload talking shop with Thome, as Pods and Pierre hone their declining running game, while off in the distance Contreras gets his 48 year old shoulder loose.
by MelidoPerez on Jan 27, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
Sadly, with Wiggington, Mayberry, Thome, and Nix on the team, it's pretty unlikely that Gload will be there
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
IF ONLY WE CUD GET DEM TO TAYKE RIOSS!
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
I think they should make Sale a catcher instead of a pitcher.
We have already seen that shortstops can be converted to relievers. Why not end Cowley’s dilemma and solve the upcoming catcher problem in one fell swoop?
This space is available.
Love the column, larry
Sometimes when something is so illogical and self-contradictory it can be hard to address all of the idiocy in a concise way, and you did that very well.
by Pumpkin McPastry on Jan 27, 2012 12:08 PM CST reply actions
In the off off off offfffffffffffffffffffffff-chance the Sox DO end up competing
What is to be done? I’m not implying that I agree with Cowley, just more of a curiosity. If Sale’s limit is 160ish innings, would he still be shut down for the better part of September/unlikely playoff run or would they put the pressure on his arm and hope for the best?
"I'm holding out hope Reinsdorf can somehow use his amnesty clause on Rios"
-Duck99
I sincerely believe that if the Sox are contending at the trade deadline...
Kenny will go out and get some help. And it could possibly be another starter.
"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic" - Crash Davis
by Servant2LordBeckham on Jan 27, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
If the Sox are in need of a starter at the deadline
they probably won’t be in contention. Unless it’s a shitty veteran swing-man for depth’s sake.
by Craig Grebeck on Jan 27, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
So you're saying they'll throw caution to the wind and assume Sale can start...
through September and possibly into October?
"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic" - Crash Davis
by Servant2LordBeckham on Jan 27, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
No, I'm not saying they'll assume anything.
by Craig Grebeck on Jan 27, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
I think Axelrod and Stewart
can at least provide innings depth/relief, even if it’s with fringe-y quality, and I wouldn’t blame you if you were a bit more optimistic about their potential contributions.
by Pumpkin McPastry on Jan 27, 2012 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
has anyone been watching baseball iq on mlb network?
surprisingly, i’ve been enjoying it. in any event, if any of you are, the white sox representative, dan fabian, will be on 2/7. as some of you know, fabian is the white sox stats guy.
Saw part of it last night.
It’s good, if slow. Watching people think isn’t all that entertaining. Will view again, though.
The lords of dawn are men such as Mr. Lucy.
Oh! Got it now. Thanks.
Was still slow. Once they (and me) would get some of the more obvious answers, the camera would just stay on them. Either you can come up with someone or you can’t. They could fit twice as much trivia in there if they wanted.
The lords of dawn are men such as Mr. Lucy.
Yeah feel the same way
Enjoyable show for sure, but if they had a few different segments it might be better. Maybe some jeopardy style trivia where there is one answer and you get through more questions. It can drag a bit when it is one subject with 17 answers.
don't be ridiculous, bos
he is the guy who keeps track of how many outs there are
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
Someone made an edit to Cowley's wikipedia page...
It made me chuckle.
"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic" - Crash Davis
by Servant2LordBeckham on Jan 27, 2012 1:24 PM CST reply actions
.....
“Cowley is currently engaged to Oney Guillen, son of Miami Marlins manager Ozzie Guillen, and is seeking a new career in either Miami or Pittsburgh, considering he mocks all things Chicago he has no reason to stay”
"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic" - Crash Davis
by Servant2LordBeckham on Jan 27, 2012 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
that is too funny
still up at 5:44 CST.
Taking a walk in a donkey park listening to the wind of change
Ed Farmer was on wscr and thinks Sale should close. I think Thorton should get another chance.
He also said he’s more concerned about Peavy’s torn groin muscle than his arm. He said he was shut down at the end of the year because of a torn groin. I knew he had a problem in June but I didn’t realize it was torn at the end of the year.
I thought his umm, muscle detached from his groin
and took that as a good thing.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
Farmer for Sale joins Mitch Williams and his stumping for Feliz
Those guys must have some really interesting ideas about how valuable they were back when they held the almighty closer role.
I think if you needed to gauge somebody’s baseball common sense in about 15 seconds, you can just ask them their take on the importance of closers.
I usually tell people that closers are important
it just doesn’t matter who they are.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
Never. Been. A fan.
"I'm holding out hope Reinsdorf can somehow use his amnesty clause on Rios"
-Duck99
If you're Keith Law and you think Sale's mechanics won't hold up for that many innings
fine, many people may disagree with you, but fine. That’s a reasonable argument stacked against the meathead-ology of Farmer and Cowley.
by Craig Grebeck on Jan 27, 2012 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
Tomorrow's Soxfest Column from Cowley
Why the Sox are wasting Konerko by giving him all those unimportant at bats. Make him a pinch hitter, and then use him when you really need him, like Sale.
by MelidoPerez on Jan 27, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Okay, call me a spelling fascist.
What kills me almost as much as Buehrle slip-ups is “Thorton.” Could be a simple mistake, happens to everyone, but it’s Thornton. Thorn. Ton.
The lords of dawn are men such as Mr. Lucy.
Pretty sure
Cowley is among the last generation of horrendous columnists to draw undeserved salaries for decades while writing crummy columns and diddling adolescent relatives in their abundant spare time.
Not sure anyone will get paid for content in the years to come but I expect a huge increase in mainstream quality as the airwaves and newsprint get taken over by excellent writers such as those featured on this blog.
he's related to oney now?
how far does his depravity descend..
by obnoxious american on Jan 27, 2012 3:25 PM CST up reply actions

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