Thoughts on Baseball America's White Sox top prospects for 2012
I received the 2012 Baseball America Prospect Handbook yesterday and I'll give Phil Rogers credit this year. He compiled an interesting list for the White Sox. And, given the shallowness of the White Sox system, it's difficult to criticize the placement of any player. He also managed to escape not one but two scheduled chats on BA's website, eventually leaving it to John Manuel to answer questions, so he did not have a further opportunity to say anything outrageous. And for those of you who entered the John Ely pool, he waited until all the way at the write-up for #31 to mention his boy. So congratulations to HappyHuman for winning this year's Winston-Salem Warthogs beanie.
Baseball America's full list, along with my commentary, is after the jump. As the top ten was released prior to the publication of the book, I won't repeat the comments I made on those players here. Also note that the book goes to press in December so it does not reflect the Jason Frasor or Carlos Quentin trades. From Manuel's chat, it was clear that Simon Castro would have made the top ten. It's unclear where Pedro Hernandez, Miles Jaye and Dan Webb would have been on the list, if anywhere, though I'd expect that at least the first two would have made it.
- Addison Reed
- Nestor Molina
- Trayce Thompson
- Jake Petricka
- Keenyn Walker
- Jhan Marinez
- Tyler Saladino
- Juan Silverio
- Ozzie Martinez
- Eduardo Escobar
- Hector Santiago
- Andy Wilkins
- Erik Johnson
- Charlie Leesman
- Jefferson Olacio
- Jared Mitchell
- Andre Rienzo
- Brandon Short
- Josh Phegley
- Mike Blanke
- Carlos Sanchez
- Nate Jones
- Gregory Infante
- Dylan Axelrod
- Jose Martinez
- Blair Walters
- Tyler Kuhn
- Kevan Smith
- Jordan Danks
- Deunte Heath
- Thomas Royse
Others: Mark Haddow, Jose Quintana, Marcus Semien, Scott Snodgress
The name that will immediately jump out is LHP Jefferson Olacio at #15. I've mentioned him in passing a few times previously. I tried to talk him up a bit to John Sickels but wasn't successful. While a ranking in a top twenty is aggressive, he certainly would have made my top 31 if I had gone that deep. He's out of the Dominican and just turned 18. He's pure projection at this point, with nothing but a fastball. But, as it's in the low 90s, that fastball is pretty good for a lefty. And he's tall at 6-7, though he's already a big boy at 230 lbs. He has very little idea where the ball is going at this point but that's not unusual. He'll probably be stateside this season at Bristol and he's one to keep an eye on.
Another aggressive ranking is "C" Josh Phegley and, as many of you already know, this is one with which I don't agree. Rogers talks about all the health issues he has had since he was drafted. And that's all fine. But this regular season he didn't miss any time (of course, as a china doll, he couldn't abide being healthy for a full calendar year and injured his wrist to ensure he missed the Arizona Fall League). And he was still pretty bad. He can't catch. He can't hit. He can't stay healthy. And yet he somehow managed to get promoted to AAA. I pity those who have to throw to this sieve.
INF Carlos Sanchez is another one who didn't make other lists and I very much like his placement by Rogers. He'll still be a teenager at the start of this season and he held his own at Kannapolis last season in his first taste of full season ball. His offense is in the mold of his fellow Venezuelan Eduardo Escobar; unfortunately, his defense is not, as he'll probably be limited to 2B. Sanchez did perform better at Low A than Escobar did at the same age. Rogers was critical of his contact rate and with a 17% strikeout rate a guy with no power isn't going to make it to the majors. Still, his .288/.341/.345 line at Kanny is impressive enough for a teenager. Another sleeper to watch.
RHP Dylan Axelrod has been up and down the various lists. I think this placement is correct. What's interesting here, though, was his write-up as Rogers made a connection that I had failed to notice previously. His uncle, Barry Axelrod, is Jake Peavy's agent. In mid-2009, Dylan was released by the Padres and signed with the Windy City Thunderbolts of the Frontier League. He signed with the White Sox on August 2, 2009 - or two days after the Peavy trade. So, if Dylan ends up being worth anything, that might ameliorate the pain of the Peavy deal some. One thing I'd add to all that is that Dylan's major league debut was in the place of Peavy.
LHP Blair Walters was a surprise from the 11th round of the 2011 draft. While he was a college pitcher playing in the Pioneer League, at 21 he wasn't that old. He also had worked exclusively from the bullpen while at Hawaii but became a starter with the Voyagers. He has a decent low 90s sinker but what befuddled rookie ball hitters was his slider. With the usual age for level caveats, he could be a fast mover if the White Sox decide he to use him as a reliever.
UTIL Tyler Kuhn reminds me of Ron Paul: there are a few good things about him, lots of not so good things, he's generally ignored, his backers are rabid and they want us to return to the 1800s, where batting average was the thing. The 25 year old makes contact. And that's about the extent of his skills. He could carve out a career as a utilityman but he doesn't play any position well enough. Guys like him, though, tend to stick around long enough to make it to the majors when they've reached their peak. If he improves his defense to good enough, he'll follow that stereotype.
We've talked about C Kevan Smith before. Sickels really likes him. No one else shares that view.
RHP Thomas Royse didn't make the book but he did make the supplement. He missed all of last season after Tommy John surgery. He could at least have been described as interesting prior to that and we'll see if he remains that afterwards.
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Zack Stewart
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=18886613&c_id=chc
Is Zack Stewart not considered a prospect? He looked pretty damn good at times in the sox uniform last year (see above).
ya but
it is hard for me to believe he isnt better than Dylan Axelrod who is more than a full year older than Stewart, and Stewart has considerably better stuff than him.
sure, if the bar you set is that he's better than the 27th ranked prospect in the white sox organization.
it’s sort of like saying it is hard for you to believe that a punch in the balls isn’t better than a kick in the balls.
by larry on Jan 28, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Haha
Well what I’m saying is I think he should definitely be on the list somewhere. He has shown glimpses of brilliance and who knows what he could do with a full year workin with Coop. Could end up in the pen this year too..
He's not a prospect, so your point is moot.
by polodude017 on Jan 28, 2012 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
call it what you want
Ill take him over a few of the pitchers on this list…
and you should.
i would also take gavin floyd, john danks, jake peavy, phil humber and chris sale over a few of the pitchers on this list…
by larry on Jan 28, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, what's your point here?
This is a prospect list, not an organizational depth chart.
he doesn't get that.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
My Point is
how is axelrod more of a prospect than Stewart?
Stewart pitched 67.1 innings last year. He won't be a rookie this year, much less a prospect.
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Fan: How do you deal with struggling high salary players? Robin: Invite him to the bench.
by larry on Jan 28, 2012 12:39 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Didn't anybody tell him that's more complex than it seems?
by Jim Margalus on Jan 28, 2012 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
some people just don't understand the concept of respect.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
This is excellent.
I obviously mean the review of the prospects, not the actual prospects. Thanks for doing this, larry.
Regarding Simon Castro
On the BPro podcast, Goldstein and Parks were discussing White Sox prospects. Most of it was how there wasn’t much to discuss, but Parks had a story about Castro:
I was on the back fields one day, and one of the players with the Padres was having trouble with the radar gun. It kept getting these weird readings, and they were writing them down – and they were writing down 80 mph, and that clearly wasn’t the case. So I went over to them and said, “Hey, can I see your gun real quick, because it’s f—-ed up.”
I calibrated the gun for them, gave it back to him. Castro said, “Thank you,” grabbed the gun from my hand… his hand was bigger than my hand and the gun! He had the largest hands I’d ever seen in my life.
He also looks like he’s about 45 years old. But his hands are so. large. I mean, I’ve seen large hands in my day, don’t get me wrong. But I’ve never seen a hand this large. I couldn’t even see the gun in his hand. I thought he was just holding up his hand to the fence.
Which are two more ways he’s similar to Jose Contreras. I liked watching Contreras warm up before games by throwing splitters with a softball.
Future Sox posted their Top 25 list.
http://www.chicagonow.com/future-sox/2012/01/2012-preseason-top-25-white-sox-prospects/
This is actually the list that I would tend to agree with the most (of all these lists) in terms of actual rankings.
"The name that will immediately jump out is LHP Jefferson Olacio at #15."
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see a bright future for this guy
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by big_fun on Jan 28, 2012 3:32 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
As a metaphor connoisseur...
I give the Tyler Kuhn-Ron Paul comparison a higher grade than any of the Sox prospects.
by LonghornedBobcat on Jan 28, 2012 4:27 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Thank you.
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by Chiburb on Jan 28, 2012 5:10 PM CST via mobile reply actions
DH contact hitters
Why don’t we see more hitters like Tyler Kuhn training to play DH? I know it’s much more fun to have a power hitting DH, but doesn’t it make sense to train a natural hitter like Kuhn to exclusively play DH?
it pretty much comes down to the high offensive bar that is there for a DH.
can a guy who hits .300 with little power exceed that? pretty much no.
and i don’t mean to overstate kuhn’s defensive shortcomings. he can play a defensive position, actually multiple ones. i think the issue is that they are having him play all those positions. last season, he was evenly split between LF, SS, 2B and 3B. it’s tough to become competent at a position without enough reps at a position.
they’re grooming him to be a utility player. he just needs more time. he’ll be in AAA this season, probably playing less SS but split between the other positions. if he keeps hitting, he’ll be in the majors.
Draft
I think Thompson is going to be a good player, yeah he has strike out rate at 28.8% but he is still young in baseball years, and is entering his 21 year old season. Plus he has monster power hitting 24HR and 85RBI in Class A, his upside is very high, and he has been putting in work this offeason.
With that beign said I hope the Sox grab both Soler and Concepcion, that would be a huge boost for the farm.
BTW… This Draft is going to be huge

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