When all White Sox are potential Blue Jays
If you believe Twitter, today is the day Gavin Floyd ceases to be a member of the Chicago White Sox.
Sometimes, as we very well know, it pays to believe Twitter. On the other hand, the source of this particular trade rumor (who claims to be Floyd's wife's cousin) defended his scoop thusly:
This level of discourse is more common than you think among newsbreakers, mind you. For instance, when I tweeted Ken Rosenthal asking how the White Sox could be serious about Yoennis Cespedes when they're slashing payroll, he tweeted back, "Lol fine dont trust me. Im only on ntaional tv u butthole."
At any rate, another Blue Jays blogger is going with it while everybody else is ignoring or dismissing it, so somebody's going to be wrong. This is what counts for baseball-based entertainment in the dead of winter.
I haven't given the alleged return much time to marinate, and if you're looking for insight in that respect, I'll point you to CSN Chicago. The few thoughts I have don't pertain to talent, but did send me into a Baseball-Reference.com and Google vortex for a solid hour:
*On Deck McGuire: I know a couple McGuires. Ideally, one of them will be present when somebody says "Deck McGuire," so I can say, "Don't mind if I do!" /PUNCH.
*On Kyle Drabek: He wears No. 4, which is interesting, because the best I can tell, no White Sox pitcher has worn a single digit since Hal Trosky Jr. wore No. 3 for three whole innings in 1958. Of course, Drabek couldn't wear No. 4, since that's Luke Appling's number.
Now here's where it gets fascinating...
The year before, Stover McIlwain wore No. 6. I'd never heard of him, but I'd love to know his story. He pitched a scoreless inning in 1957 at the age of 18, and one year later, he started the final game of the 1958 season. He pitched well, too -- four innings, four hits, one run (a solo homer), no walks and four strikeouts. Had Al Lopez let him go one more inning, he would have picked up the win.
You know who did get get the victory? Ol' No. 3, Hal Trosky! It was his second career game, too.
From the game account on his SABR bio page, Trosky didn't exactly vulture the win, because Nellie Fox's glove (of all things) gave him a hard time:
[Trosky's] stint in the Kansas City game was a bit unusual. SABR member Norman Macht recounted it the Baseball Research Journal: After Trosky pitched a scoreless fifth inning, Chicago scored three in the last of the fifth and took a 6-1 lead. "Taking the mound for the sixth," Macht wrote, "Trosky looked around his infield and took comfort from the steadying presence of [Nellie] Fox. Then a rare series of events occurred. Three ground balls were hit to Fox. Two went through his legs and one bounced off his chest. All three were scored as hits. Trosky walked a couple, and Suitcase Simpson, who had hit Trosky hard in the minors, roped one into center field for the only solid hit of the inning, and three runs were in. In the last of the sixth Jim Rivera batted for Trosky and struck out. Bob Shaw finished up. The win was credited to Trosky.
And that game was the last major-league game either McIlwain or Trosky ever pitched. McIlwain was done at 19, spending the rest of his career in the minors and two years in the military, says his Wikipedia page. He died of cancer at age 26.
Trosky was 20, turning 21 the next day. His baseball career ended two years later, and his SABR bio says it was his choice:
While Trosky was in Nashville, his manager, former New York Yankees pitching coach Jim Turner, had told him that he’d have been in the major leagues "two years ago" with any other team. That morsel of awareness, coupled with his own assessment and the fact that several other teams had been in contact with the White Sox seeking to acquire him, and that Chuck Comiskey no longer owned the team, had convinced Trosky that he had no future in Chicago.
The White Sox asked if his contracts were being returned due to a salary issue. No, Hal assured them, all he wanted was his release. "A year and a half later they were offered what I thought was a generous amount for me," Hal told Norman Macht.. "They turned it down. Every spring for three years scouts came around and wanted to see me throw. They still wanted me. After that I'd been out too long. Physically I could come back but I couldn't get mentally and emotionally ready again. I don't know what the club's thinking was. I guess somebody up there didn't like me." Eventually the team stopped sending contracts, but did not comply with Trosky’s request for a release for more than a decade, until 1972, after he had turned 36 years old.
This is why free agency is ultimately a good thing. Oh, and here's what else is nuts ...
Hal Trosky's dad also played for the White Sox over the final two years of his career, battling chronic headaches all the while. Which is cool, because Kyle Drabek's dad, Doug Drabek, pitched for the White Sox in 1997.
Man, now I want this trade to actually happen. Many single numbers are still available!
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You know, I never considered "Herpe Face" as a valid insult.
That Purdue education seems to be paying off.
What?! I ain't no Professor Pickles!
Sure works for me.
And Jim, you are serious about Robothal? That is absolutely fall off the chair funny! Everyone should rec this post so it becomes prominently featured on SBN.
Little prick that he is deserves the attention.
We're all here because we're not all there.
by winningugly on Jan 6, 2012 6:50 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
You think he has time to click on links?
He’s a very busy man.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
STOP READING WHILE DRIVING
YOU BUTTHOLE
"I considered throwing a volley, but since I'm considerably closer to Ford City than Dodge City, I figure it might have been misinterpreted."
by RWShow on Jan 6, 2012 9:03 AM CST up reply actions 8 recs
Purdue-educated. ;-)
"I considered throwing a volley, but since I'm considerably closer to Ford City than Dodge City, I figure it might have been misinterpreted."
by RWShow on Jan 6, 2012 9:03 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
ivy league of indiana. maybe.
I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.
by thatshortkid on Jan 6, 2012 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
more like the shit hole of indiana
Darn agricultural students staink.
GET TO THE CHOPPA!!!
by hoosier3 on Jan 6, 2012 3:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I enrolled in the wrong curriculum at PU
I didn’t learn anything about Herpe Faces or Down Syndrome
White Sox 2012: Helplessly rebuilding?
hooooooowwwwww
much $
"There's too many (bleeping) guys on the computer. It's simple. I say that. Pete Rose never watched a computer. Rod Carew never did. All those hitters, they go out and see the ball, hit it and move on." - Ozzie
savages.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
by BuehrleMan on Jan 6, 2012 7:04 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
My guess is Gavin's wife
freaking hates her cousin.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
i thought you just blame the french?
"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112
by BoeJouma on Jan 6, 2012 8:13 AM CST up reply actions 6 recs
Big surprise.
We're all here because we're not all there.
by winningugly on Jan 6, 2012 10:21 AM CST up reply actions 19 recs
Winning
"Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic" - Crash Davis
by Servant2LordBeckham on Jan 6, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
Logged in for the first time in 2 years to rec.
See you in 2014!
Yes! Hell Yes!
by steveinlouisville on Jan 6, 2012 5:06 PM CST up reply actions
No giving up, mon ami.
Sabermetrics hurt my head, just give me the facts.
Uh-oh.
http://mlb.sbnation.com/2012/1/6/2686737/starlin-castro-cubs-sexual-assault-report
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
In what way?
a VERY AVERAGE Sox Machine refugee
I was being sarcastic.
It is very tough for young athletes to go out and not be a target of this type of circumstance. I don’t know the facts, of course, as to who is being who is truthful and who is not, but I would not be surprised if there is a bit of embellishment by the woman.
We're all here because we're not all there.
if she had stayed longer, his ball would have autographed her
"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112
If you're talking about (alleged) sexual assault
you should probably just leave it at “I don’t know the facts.”
by Craig Grebeck on Jan 6, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
This.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
And this is why inside jokes complicate things.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
lockportsox totally sexually molested me at Marias.
by South Side Expat on Jan 6, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
With her eyes.
We're all here because we're not all there.
by winningugly on Jan 6, 2012 4:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well, there is always another side.
But, yes, we don’t know the facts.
We're all here because we're not all there.
holy christ.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
i've just read on SSS that we're enslaved by our government
so these kind of comments in response to a news of a sexual assault doesn’t surprise me
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jan 6, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
best castro rip so far
1. I knew castro was bad at playing the field but wow!
2. This isnt the first time Castro blew thru the stop sign at third base
by Knoxfire30 on Jan 6, 2012 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 6 recs
New Nickname: Señor Ruffies
"They're a dead team walkin'." - Joe Cowley commentary on the Sox 2012 rebuilding year (WSCR interview, 12/7/11)
Starlin Castro is the real cause of
Baron Davis’ herniated dick.
It is known
I knew the BCB thread would suck but good god.
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 6, 2012 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
Al Yellon gets angry enough to say "Bullshit"
It is known
went over to rec just that comment. scanning some of the rest hurt my soul.
I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.
To the BCBers credit
it seems like all of the GOLDDIGGER! posts have been called out.
by Craig Grebeck on Jan 6, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
a few posters are calling them out
A few are also calling out Al for ignoring them which of course brings out attack puppy Santos Wooden Leg
My favorite is the horribly weak case of BrewCrew'sPrinceof Darkness.
The lords of dawn are men such as Mr. Lucy.
I think this is the best part-

by South Side Expat on Jan 6, 2012 7:49 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
well at least we know he doesn't wall around thinking about assualting people
well at least during his mattress burning filled younger years
Dude must have gone to West Virginia for school
Couch burning is a point of pride for those folks.
by Yinka Double Dare on Jan 7, 2012 1:31 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
pfftt.... shows what he knows. the FBI just reclassified the definition of "hard stares"
I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.
by thatshortkid on Jan 7, 2012 5:34 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i thought rosenthal was a distinguished professional.
by obnoxious american on Jan 6, 2012 9:00 AM CST reply actions
Think again
Sabermetrics hurt my head, just give me the facts.
And Doug Drabek was a prospect with the Sox
…before getting dealt to the Yankees for the dessicated remains of Roy Smalley in 1984. He then had all his good years for the Pirates before Schueler acquired his dessicated remains.
Suitcase Simpson is now on my list of favorite ball-players of all time
He’s right up there with Stubby Clapp, the mayor of Memphis.
And manager of my local A-ball team.
Back for a second year.
by Jim Margalus on Jan 6, 2012 9:56 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Theo
maybe sox should have got him, if the rizzo trade is true i think thats a steal for the cubs, a flat out steal
to clarify, jon morosi tweets
“#Cubs get anthony rizzo and rhp zach cates. #padres get andrew cashner and outfielder kyung-min na”
"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112
Rizzo's fine, but for an organization like the White Sox they're probably
better off not using resources to acquire any more prospects who don’t play up-the-middle positions.
by Craig Grebeck on Jan 6, 2012 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, becuase our corner spots are so deep with talent
"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112
Isn't it a bit of a red flag that his big breathrough
Was a 90 game stint in the PCL, and that performance hasn’t really been anywhere near that anywhere else? Or do we just chalk up the respectable 800+ OPS numbers in his A+ and AA stops to him being young for the league?
For Rizzo's combined A-ball stats across two years
he was creating runs (wRC+) at a percentage above league average which was similar to what he did last season. League average offense in the PCL is just so high, that Rizzo’s OPS looks much better when he outperforms his peers there.
Something to consider, I wouldn’t call it a red flag, was that last year his BABIP was the highest of his career at .369.
by 3E8 on Jan 6, 2012 6:22 PM CST up reply actions
larry basically nailed what I was getting at
which is to say that up-the-middle guys are more coveted than corner prospects. Perhaps beggars shouldn’t be choosers — I don’t know.
by Craig Grebeck on Jan 6, 2012 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
This
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Jan 6, 2012 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
Me: What do Cleveland relievers have against White Sox hitters? They drill you guys an awful lot.
Beckham: “hope it’s just coincidence”
seems like
A king’s ransom for floyd
RECENT BOX SCORES
ADAM DUNN DH/1B
7 1/3 1HR 2K
60 0/4 4K
by Chicago Pride 2005 on Jan 6, 2012 10:08 PM CST reply actions

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