Some Manto projects don't involve prayer
In a profile of Jeff Manto, Mark Gonzales outlined the numerous tasks that lie ahead of the new White Sox hitting coach:
- Fix Adam Dunn
- Fix Alex Rios
- Fix Gordon Beckham
- Make sure Brent Morel doesn't take a step back.
- Don't disrupt Paul Konerko's delicate balance.
These are all very real issues, but there's one task that Gonzales didn't mention that should take precedent. He'll have to keep close watch on Dayan Viciedo, and the adjustments he has to make when pitchers find new ways to exploit his aggressiveness. In fact, I might rate Viciedo's progress as the most crucial development of 2012. Viciedo offers the prospect of above-average production for the league minimum his salary, and that's something the Sox have sorely lacked. If he can't deliver, it clouds the future of any next White Sox core.
So there's Viciedo. Let's assign Morel, too, since Manto oversaw Morel's brisk, steady climb through the minors. Otherwise, Manto arrives on the scene rather foreign to the current state of affairs.
He isn't daunted by the to-do list, at least outwardly:
"It's a great challenge," Manto said. "Sometimes you walk into a team where everything's fine, everybody's in good spirits and having good careers. But here, there is something to do."
There's a lot to do, and Manto should get ample time to show whether he's up for the task. He basically gets the benefit of the doubt thanks to the scientific method. Ozzie Guillen had a steadfast belief in his coaching staff and veteran players -- or a sheer reluctance to make anything that qualified as a difficult decision. Either way, what resulted was a formula with all constants and no variables.
After several years of samey struggles, Manto represents a shift by his presence alone. However, he's inheriting problems that might only be solved by St. Jude (and what a hitting coach he would be!). Dunn might be done. Rios has spent 14 months with the White Sox, and he's only hit well in two of them (with a couple OK months thrown in, to be fair). Beckham was such a mess last year that he couldn't eat enough to maintain his weight.
If these players perform noticeably better in 2012, then Manto is an easy hero. If a different voice can't reverse these slides, then the first recourse is to point fingers at the talent. And then you cross days off the calendar until the financial obligations end. That vindicates Greg Walker somewhat, but he'll have a chance to restore his reputation in Atlanta regardless of what happens in Chicago.
But if I'm trying to judge Manto in his first year, I'm looking at four players -- Viciedo, Morel, Konerko and Alexei Ramirez. With the first two, the goal is to solidify the visible, positive changes they made in their approaches last season. With the other two, it's getting out of their respective business. Ramirez will be an interesting case in his own right, because his walk totals fluctuate more than European markets (topical!), but his overall production finds its way to the same neighborhood at the end of the season. Who knows? Maybe with Manto, he'll three-true-outcomes his way to a .730 OPS.
Alejandro De Aza and A.J. Pierzynski are the other two regulars, but I'm not too concerned. For whatever reason, their plate approaches seem impervious to anything but the most minor of tinkering. Plus, if either player experiences a massive drop-off, the cause will likely be out of anybody's control -- De Aza has a spotty health history, and Pierzynski is a 35-year-old catcher. In fact, Tyler Flowers' aspirations of adequacy in a backup role probably deserve more of Manto's focus.
It may not sound particularly ambitious on its face, because the Sox's hopes for real contention hinge on decent output from some combination of Dunn, Rios and Beckham. I'm still holding out hope for Beckham, but there's just too much wishcasting involved with those players to really pin any failure to resuscitate on Manto. However, if the Sox can get through 2012 with all four corner positions in full working order, that will be an achievement in its own right. If Beckham finds his Michael Young form, the Sox are closer to recovering than previously thought. And if Dunn and Rios happen to join them in the "assets" column, then get the canonization papers ready.
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DJ is in danger of having his signature catch-phrase stolen by Manto
But here, there is something to do.
White Sox 2012: Helplessly rebuilding?
i thought it was "UT-OHHHHHHHHHHHHH"
DUNK HIS ASS
by obnoxious american on Feb 13, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
Do you remember...
When Alexei first came up, how incredibly clueless he looked for those first few weeks against anything breaking? I remember 1 game in particular, i wish i could remember against who, where after having seen breaking pitches for 2 solid weeks, Alexei found himself in another 0-2 or 1-2 count… another breaking ball, and seemingly in mid swing, Alexei adjusted and poked a single over the SS’s head… here is hoping viciedo can find that… im all for agressiveness… lets hope for some looseness as well cause i have a feeling hes going to be doing a lot of hacking for a month or so…
by Climbing_up_the_Walls on Feb 13, 2012 8:22 AM CST reply actions
One would assume that Viciedo
has seen that treatment and made the adjustment in the minor leagues. As you’ll recall, Alexei spent no time in the minors prior to that year, so his learning curve was there for everyone to see. I hope that Viciedo already has an idea about this given his years in the minors.
by ceverettsdinosaurs on Feb 13, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
Beckham Rios and Josh Fields
what do they all have in common?…they hold their hands directly in front of them when taking their stance…movement from this position to the actual hitting position is one addition movement that can, and apparently does, go wrong during their swings…Walker either condoned their approach or couldn’t change them…one of them is out of baseball and the other two might as well be.
eh, so did albert belle.
DUNK HIS ASS
by obnoxious american on Feb 13, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
Beckham, Rios, Dunn.
How would you handicap their chances of improvement? How would you rank them 1-3 in terms of how likely they are to see significant improvement this season?
fixed
1. Beckham
11. Rios
12. Dunn
Where the white women at?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGQ-ISsDm8M
by parkernutws05 on Feb 13, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
My take is
1) Beckham
2) Dunn.
…that’s it
For 2012 season: ALEX RIOS is my new TONY PENA.
by JofpGallagher on Feb 13, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
at least rios showed signs that he still can hit a little bit in september.
.307/.341/.533 5 homers 11 rbi’s.
dunn’s best month? .204/.356/.387 3 homers 13 rbis in may.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Yeah...maybe I should do like you and rank him "12th"....in a list of 3s
For 2012 season: ALEX RIOS is my new TONY PENA.
by JofpGallagher on Feb 13, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
I imagine Rios will continue to have moments
Where he actually figures out how to stay on the ball for a week or two here and then thanks to his mechanics barely being in place. And then it won’t take much for them to get thrown out of whack again.
by Jim Margalus on Feb 13, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
yep. but at least he'll have a week or two.
im not willing to say that about dunn.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
And he will most likely be more productive through sheer randomness
In what is one of the most ridiculous splits of all time, I give you Alex Rios, 2011, with runners in scoring position and 2 outs:
55 plate appearances
2 walks
3 singles
1 double
0 triples
0 homers
This pencils out to 075/109/094. He slugged .094 in 55 tries! If someone can find a worse slash line in a 50+ sample, I would love to see it.
don't tell me what he hit...
tell me when… oh, wait. nevermind.
by Shoeless In SC on Feb 13, 2012 10:08 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Thing is...
Dunn has a decade of being one of the best power hitters in baseball. You cannot really ignore that.
by 815Sox on Feb 14, 2012 2:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Dunn has been on one all star team
rios has made two. they’ve both been good players throughout their career.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
I know many people don't agree
but I really think Dunn will improve highly this year. Hell, anything is an improvement. I can really see him going .220/30hrs/80rbi this year.
Orlando Sentinel ( a Tribune property) gave its take on the best Cuban players in yesterday's issue.
Livan Hernandez, Orlando Hernandez were 1-2. Kendry Morales #3. Che not even listed.
Eff the Orlando Sentinel. Can’t even find the link – must’ve killed the article on-line.
We're all here because we're not all there.
So where's Minoso?
If they are counting Orlando, I assume they are counting all Cuban players. wtf? Or was it “best Cuban players of the 00’s” or something meaningless like that?
The latter - meaningless drivel.
The last guy was some AAA player. Didn’t even list Viciedo.
We're all here because we're not all there.
by winningugly on Feb 13, 2012 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
yah minoso and canseco would probably be 1 and 2.... wasn't palmeiro cuban too?
those would probably be top 3
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
on his face?
It may not sound particularly ambitious on his face
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
touché
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
by MarketMaker on Feb 13, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
so the indians signed big jon garland.
thats terrible. we could have flipped him a minor league contract for god sakes.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
wow. oakland? didn't see that coming.
at least it wasnt florida, cubs or tigers.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
seems like he's a free agent after those 4 years.
i’ll jump back on the bandwagon then. ::tear::
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
is this like the viciedo deal though in regards to major league service time?
boxcars boxcars boxcars
by soxshenanigans on Feb 13, 2012 6:58 PM CST up reply actions
Nope.
Four years and he’s a free agent.
by Jim Margalus on Feb 13, 2012 7:00 PM CST up reply actions
If only in poetic terms
“La Potencia the Athletic” is perfect.
by Jim Margalus on Feb 13, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
This resulted in an article by Al Yellon about Jon Garland.
In which he manages to mention the Cubs twice and somehow never mention the White Sox.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Todays piece about the fishtanks at the new Marlins stadium was also
particularly Yellonesque.
by South Side Expat on Feb 13, 2012 5:11 PM CST up reply actions
Re: the article title.
Perhaps human sacrifice should be used in conjunction with prayer.
by FlyingSpaghettiMonster on Feb 13, 2012 11:23 AM CST reply actions
I'll be happy if Manto says "adjustment" as much as he did two years ago.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
I don't think hitting coaches make a huge difference
And kind of agree with the golf thing where any given coach might help 3 or 4 guys in a group of 12, but I couldn’t help but notice a quote from the Sunday Trib from Chipper Jones on the offseason work Greg Walker was doing with some of the Braves.
“Jones says Walker and Fletcher are “a lot more technical’’ than Larry Parrish, who had replaced Terry Pendleton as hitting coach before last season.”
Maybe a guy like Beckham just needs simplicity and giving him a ton of adjustments and mechanical things to think about in the split second he has to react to a pitch were counterproductive. This hitting coach who doesn’t like things like walks sounds like just the kind of guy who could dumb things down for Bacon. At least this is what I am trying to make myself believe.
There's hope there.
Although Beckham said he still saw a lot of Walker this offseason in Georgia.
by Jim Margalus on Feb 13, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
So did Dunn...Johnny Walker.
"I wouldn’t say I’m hitting five days a week…some weeks we won’t go at all." – Adam Dunn on his preparation routine for the 2012 season (1/24/12)
Indeed.
I was thinking of good value for even one win, and got carried away.
by Jim Margalus on Feb 13, 2012 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
Oh my Christ
Feb 22nd? If I hear one more buttnut go out on a smarmy limb and declare Rios and Dunn useless I am going to tear a hole in their scrotum and insert a quarterstick of dynamite. Say something new or don’t say it at all, for fuck sake. Feb 22nd…shit, try June 1st. Lets talk about it June 1st because then it won’t be an obvious amateur projection, it will be fact, whether good, bad or indifferent. I know you hate Rios and Dunn but I hate you.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
by Rhubarb on Feb 13, 2012 1:48 PM CST reply actions 14 recs
i really dislike speculation.
DUNK HIS ASS
by obnoxious american on Feb 13, 2012 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
Every day-week or two or six
its, “Dunn’s fat ass this” or “Rios’ lazy ass that” or “Did you know Rios and Dunn were the worst two players in the Major Leagues last year and that means they will be just as bad this year?” Yes, you are clearly on the forefront of prognostication. That inside information you just shared with us is definitely going to change my mind and make me think Dunn and Rios are eternally fucked and i should re-start drinking heavily and stop taking my blood pressure meds that I never took in the first place. Maybe those people should just continually think about it and fret over and over again until the snake eats its tail.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
not the best comparison, but people used to talk about big frank like this.
i’m not sure what i would have done if i ever heard someone call him a ‘singles hitter’ in person.
DUNK HIS ASS
by obnoxious american on Feb 13, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
surprisingly enough he said at soxfest last year that he wasn't a home run hitter.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
The worst part is
when its June 1st the same people will come around and say i told you so, even though they told us nothing. “SEE! RIOS IS BAD” or “I TOLD YOU DUNN WAS DONE! HA! LOOK AT MY PUN!”
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
THAT CHEESEBURGER IS UNDERDUNN!
ABANDUNN SHIP, WE’RE ALL OUT!
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
by Rhubarb on Feb 13, 2012 8:47 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Yes it was amazing how quiet they were last year
I do not think I talked to a single Sox fan that was not really pumped about the Dunn signing. Next thing you know, a bunch of apparent baseball geniuses were able to predict Dunn’s historical slide and “saw this coming”
by 815Sox on Feb 14, 2012 3:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think the technical term is "heiney bird".
by FlyingSpaghettiMonster on Feb 13, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Who are you talking to?
And what’s this about Feb 22nd?
by Shoeless In SC on Feb 13, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
I'm talking to an amalgamation of hypothetical people and existing naysayers
Feb. 22nd is when White Sox pitchers and catchers report. I mistakenly conjectured that once P&Cs reported the influx of gobbledeegook would cease then realized it might cease or heighten by June 1st at the latest. Then I thought about banning myself from SSS by going to the IT authorities with my SSS usage patterns over the course of a normal day. Then I remembered that I must be going crazy.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
by Rhubarb on Feb 13, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The "Nattering Nabobs of Negativity," as it were.

What?! I ain't no Professor Pickles!
by 67WMAQ on Feb 13, 2012 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Then I remembered that nothing short of a World Series victory would silence the prophets of doom and I began questioing my internet existence
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
by Rhubarb on Feb 13, 2012 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Make sure Brent Morel doesn't take a step back
Considering some thought he was a AAAA type, should be #2 behind Beckham
I would like to hear more about B. Morel, considering his late season success was over shadowed by the OzzieGuillenFiasco
maybe its irrational
but I’ve had huge hopes for Manto since I heard that he predicted Bautista’s success
NAOPOS
I just want to know
how we plan to replace Buehrle’s home run this year. I don’t see Chris Sale cranking one.
sideways smiley face
Chris Sale
Will crank more out than Juan Pierre.I predict.
Awesome an article about Jeff Manto.
This is one of the reasons I felt compelled to sign up. There is more information here than in those hack newspapers we call the Tribune and Suntimes.
Excellent first post.
Welcome. And I bet you are digging KenWo re: your Kitty sig.
We're all here because we're not all there.
you now know what you must do
sun times HQ
DUNK HIS ASS
by obnoxious american on Feb 13, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 8 recs
I hope this KenWo likes 33 year old men who like sports and Hello Kitty.
Well not so much the Hello Kitty part.
Not a reference to Ron Kittle's nickname?
And feel free to use the “reply” button when responding directly to an existing post. No worries, I screw it up all the time, meself.
We're all here because we're not all there.
Na
I figured the dichotomy of a Chicago sports fan and Hello Kitty would be amusing to some. Not that there probably aren’t some male Hello Kitty-loving Bears’ fans out there, lest I offend any of you.
Been lurking for a while and I must say that this place has a flair for combining detailed analysis with humor. ESPN could take some lessons.
by HelloKitty23 on Feb 13, 2012 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
Jayson Stark could use this one
What do you call a guy with no arms, no legs, jagged appendages that would open locks, who hangs on a wall – if you had a lisp?
Keith.
sideways smiley face
by TasteeFreeze on Feb 13, 2012 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
flagged
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
by Rhubarb on Feb 13, 2012 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
BTW please excuse me if any of my writing seems strange.
English is not my native language.
by HelloKitty23 on Feb 13, 2012 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
nothing to worry about
all the writing here is strange
DUNK HIS ASS
by obnoxious american on Feb 13, 2012 4:28 PM CST up reply actions
It hasn't held craig back.
by FlyingSpaghettiMonster on Feb 13, 2012 6:37 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
everybody else just claims they were drunk.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
by MarketMaker on Feb 13, 2012 6:40 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions 2 recs
In other news
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0214-cubs-chicago—20120214,0,5338208.story
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
That's quite the signing bonus.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
in even more news... lets just fast forward the season.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
A somewhat odd article.
I can see what he’s getting at. They didn’t move any closer to contention with the moves they made this offseason. But how can anyone with any real knowledge of this team say they should have ADDED? I mean I could see the argument to stand pat. But to add? That seems like what he’s advocating here. These teams didn’t add to the major league roster.
And after all the Ozzie shenanigans, I for one will take “boring” as a welcome change. Not that I find this team boring at all (plenty of storylines to follow for true Sox fans), but to the casual observer I’m sure they will be boring.
Seems a bit wrong to malign the Mets for not resigning Reyes.
Same with criticizing the Astros. Neither team should be signing free agents right now.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Yeah, Morosi doesn't seem to understand the concept of rebuilding.
Or just building in general. Why would the Astros go out and sign big-ticket FA’s right now? Not every team builds their team through big FA signings.
Looks like Manto will get another project in Fukudome
It’ll be interesting to see how he does on the South Side.
by Can I Kick It? on Feb 14, 2012 10:43 AM CST reply actions

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