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Ruminations on Kosuke Fukudome

Kosuke Fukudome's swing looks prettier in photos than on video.

The Kosuke Fukudome signing makes so much sense that it's barely worth talking about. So watch me blaze through 10,000 words! In your face, obvious need-addressing transaction!

The Sox had an opening for a left-handed fourth-to-fifth outfielder with some major-league cred on the cheap, and in comes Fukudome, who will be making $1 million ($500,000 salary for 2012, $500,000 buyout on a $3.5 million club option for 2013). He's good enough to start for the duration of a typical DL stint, which is really the biggest concern for a team that will start unproven entities from left to right.

So it should work out. But if it doesn't, there's no overwhelming commitment to a $1 million may-as-well player. After all, $1 million is what the Sox paid Ben Davis after outrighting him to Charlotte before the 2005 season. Shrugging away $1 million can't stop a champion.

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During the conference call for the signing, Rick Hahn summed up the move by saying it "gives us some more options, some depth, guy who can get on base and play some quality defense for us."

I'm with him 75 percent of the way.

Options and depth: Yup and yup. The White Sox now have two left-handed options with three righties, and they can be mixed and matched to cover all three positions in the event that some right-handed-hitter serial killer like Justin Masterson or Jered Weaver is on the mound. Adam Dunn was supposed to provide that left-handed ballast in the middle of the order. That didn't happen, so the Sox have to piece together options elsewhere.

Get on base: Yup. He has a .361 career OBP, although it's severely front-loaded (.454 OBP in April, .371 in the first half, .348 in the second). That's fine, because given the way the Sox have started each of the last three seasons, they could use a Mr. April far more than most teams.

Quality defense: Maaaaaaaaybe not. I enjoyed James' reaction on Twitter:

James has a point. The White Sox hit four of their 16 triples in Fukudome's direction last year, which is kind of absurd when you think about the probability. But Juan Pierre hit one of them into Wrigley's right field corner, and Alex Rios split right-center when Fukudome was shaded the other way in center during Five Triples Night in August. Ninety-nine times out of 100, playing Rios to pull is sound baseball strategy.

That leaves these two -- another one on Five Triples Night...

;

...and this other one on June 22, which gave A.J. Pierzynski his first triple since 2009:

Moving beyond small observational samples, the metrics aren't kind on the whole. UZR, Plus-Minus and have him declining into solidly negative territory over the last two seasons, while Fan Scouting Report numbers have also slid, but remain a positive. That splits the difference with the other two metrics, because FRAA and Baseball-Reference.com think he's getting the job done. The very mixed reviews are a surprising development, because his defense was held in high esteem when he came over from Japan. But hey, he's going to turn 35 in April, so maybe Father Time is pummeling that part of his game. We've seen that happen before.

If I had to guess, I'd say "quality" isn't the word that will end up describing his defense. Although I'd also wager that we'll have seen worse displays by his predecessors when all is said and done.

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Hahn also offered some thoughts on a couple other positions Fukudome's presence may affect. Having a real fourth outfielder could allow Brent Lillibridge to see more time in the infield -- contingent upon Ventura wanting him there, and Lillibridge playing well enough to merit consideration. His last attempts were pretty shaky, as I recall. Ozzie Guillen eventually pulled him from that mix, and it was justified.

Still, given that Ozzie Martinez or Eduardo Escobar will likely be the true utility infielder, it would be nice if Ventura offered Lillibridge an extended audition, in the event of a godforsaken emergency.

Conversely, it sounds like Dayan Viciedo will not be shuffled around, as Hahn said the Sox "likely view him as strictly a right fielder."

Nobody asked about Jordan Danks, but this move clearly has the biggest impact on him over any other player in the organization. Without Fukudome, the state of the White Sox roster allowed Danks the possibility of playing his way on during spring training. Instead, it looks like Danks will start a third straight season in Charlotte barring an injury. That's a positive development for all non-Dankses, because he has to resume hitting in Triple-A after his ability to make contact vanished over the final month of last season.

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This move reminds me of the Darin Erstad signing, which is a comparison I'm sure excites precisely no one. Both cases are examples of Kenny Williams getting his guy. In Erstad's case, Williams signed him to a one-year, $1 million deal five years after the Angels nixed a trade for Jon Garland and Chris Singleton in December of 2001, and thank goodness they did.

Likewise, Williams didn't really miss out on Fukudome the first time. The White Sox supposedly outbid the Cubs on their four-year offers ($50 million to $48 million) when he hit free agency before the 2008 season. Nevertheless, it was said Fukudome had reasons for picking the North Side -- he wanted to play right over center, he wanted to be the Cubs' first Japanese player, etc.

He ended up underperforming that contract. It doesn't sink to the level of true disasters like the big deals Gary Matthews Jr. or Aaron Rowand signed, but Fukudome fell short by a fair amount.

I can't exactly crow about it though, because I was on the Fukudome bandwagon at the time. I had my reasons -- if he hit for the Sox like he did for the Cubs (.262/.369/.403) while playing a top-notch center field, that would have been a terrific fit. But he probably wouldn't have met the requirements for the latter ... and probably the former, too, given the way center field at The Cell swallows careers.

Anyway, Erstad would have been a good bench fit, but because it was 2007, things like the Erstad-Podsednik-Owens outfield actually happened instead. Likewise, Fukudome should be more than fine, provided the primary outfield options hold up their ends of the bargain and the Sox don't need Fukudome to thump like a typical right fielder six days a week.

Given the different roles and salaries Fukudome will take and make with the White Sox, there's no reason for the ex-Cub resentment I've seen elsewhere. And given that Fukudome is the third Japanese player in White Sox history, it would be nice if the tired jokes disappear and everybody acts like we've been here before.

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That chances of that happening are slim to none.

Even if De Aza, Rios and Viciedo all stay healthy and play relatively well, I see him getting a few hundred AB’s.

by polodude017 on Feb 15, 2012 8:10 AM CST up reply actions  

At bats

Between 200 and 300 well placed at bats should work great.

by Lil Jimmy on Feb 15, 2012 8:13 AM CST up reply actions  

"In the field."

As Jim says, he sets up well as a LH DH.

We're all here because we're not all there.

by winningugly on Feb 15, 2012 10:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Good point.

I still see him fetching plenty of AB’s in the OF though. Hopefully none in center as Hahn hinted.

by polodude017 on Feb 15, 2012 10:08 AM CST up reply actions  

The Price is Right

I would say for the price not a bad signing. This was the kind of signing I expected from Kenny.

by White Sox Lover on Feb 15, 2012 5:45 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Not just "not a bad signing" but a fantastic signing...

base on the price! Not a fantastic signing in any other way!

Glad to have Scott Olsen in the organization, finally someone with a similar lastname to me!

by Olssox on Feb 15, 2012 5:51 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

you realize is 20k over the minimum during the course of the season right?

"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112

by BoeJouma on Feb 15, 2012 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I am on the fence with this move...can't go wronger or righter

Fukudome is the Vizquel of the outfield. Cheap, provides insurance, and depth. Much younger and a better hitter (not by much considering the age difference). To the people who likes this signing, I just hope they will not come to say at mid-season that Fukudome is just taking up a roster spot like Vizquel and giving less flexibility to the Sox roster to bring up players from the minors…wait….oh nevermind….good signing!

For 2012 season: ALEX RIOS is my new TONY PENA.

by JofpGallagher on Feb 15, 2012 6:10 AM CST reply actions  

He reminds me of Pierre.

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Feb 15, 2012 7:24 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

I don't think anyone is going to complain about him in the same way as Vizquel

seeing as Fukudome can still actually hit.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Feb 15, 2012 8:08 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't really see how this is similar to signing Vizquel.

Fukudome can actually still play, unlike Vizquel who really couldn’t hit or even play much defense anymore. He should be capable, as Jim said, of filling in for a few weeks if someone goes down or is struggling badly, which is more than you could say of Vizquel.

Also, I don’t understand all of this “I wanted to see Jordan Danks in the majors” talk. If any of you out there know me, you know I’m all about the farm and playing young players etc. Danks is not ready and there’s no other outfielder on the farm that he’ll be stealing AB’s from. Now if Viciedo ends up sitting because of him, yeah I’ll be annoyed. But Jordan Danks, Brandon Short, etc have not shown anything to this point that would make them an option for the major league roster. He’s probably only here for one year, so I don’t see how he’s really blocking anyone. If Danks hits at AAA this year, he’ll probably make the roster next year.

by polodude017 on Feb 15, 2012 8:15 AM CST up reply actions  

i luv it when you ruminate.

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by BuehrleMan on Feb 15, 2012 7:56 AM CST reply actions  

I have a colleague who is a Cub fan, he seems to think Fukudome is a plus outfielder

Can anyone generate an argument against this that would open the mind of someone who has absolutely no knowledge of advanced metrics?

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Feb 15, 2012 8:23 AM CST reply actions  

I'd say the triples argument above is a pretty good indicator.

I don’t feel like UZR is really that hard to understand. It’s pretty easy to see that his range has gone from above average to below average during his four years (with his arm and error rate hovering around average).

by polodude017 on Feb 15, 2012 8:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, its not that hard to understand if you actually read up on it and this guy won't

He says any stat that has Soriano at 3.6 and Fukudome at -11.6 is a bad stat.

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Feb 15, 2012 8:55 AM CST up reply actions  

It's true that UZR often doesn't pass the sniff test in that regard.

But stats aren’t meant to confirm everything we think, but to teach us something. Hell, Soriano’s UZR his first year with the Cubs was +33.2, and the worst he’s had since signing with them is -2.9. The best I can come up with for an explanation is that while he often takes bad routes and makes poor decisions, he’s still got decent range and a strong arm that can compensate. UZR does fluctuate quite a bit from year to year, but Soriano has, with the exception of 2009, been solidly above average in the last 5 years.

"That baseball is the smartest thing out on that field." —Hawk Harrelson

by mikecws91 on Feb 15, 2012 9:31 AM CST up reply actions  

i don't watch enough cubs games to be sure, but it seemed like teams were eager to test his arm at one point.

and he was making them pay. i assume that was very beneficial to his UZR.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Feb 15, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

cleveland fans agree with him.

jim mischaracterizes the results of the fans scouting report. he was rated an above average defender overall in 2011, as well as for each team.

i’m not at all convinced that fukudome is a bad defender. when i see the analysis of fukudome’s defense, i see references to games against the white sox. that screams bias to me. particularly when the people who saw him everyday, and saw those games, too, don’t agree with that assessment.

by larry on Feb 15, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

The Sox "likely view [Dayan Viciedo] as strictly a right fielder."

Once again this team is digging in against any possibility of getting Rios out of CF and into his natural RF position. (and then putting Viciedo in LF)

"Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia" --- Charles Schultz

by Lanuters on Feb 15, 2012 8:53 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

He prefers RF.

And right now I would like him as comfortable as possible so it cuts down on his defensive lapses. Plus, you can generally hide poorer defensive players, like Viciedo is likely to be, in LF. Less chance of a triple off of a badly played ball. Shorter throw into 3B. I’d rather see him there.

"Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia" --- Charles Schultz

by Lanuters on Feb 15, 2012 9:00 AM CST up reply actions  

You also generally like your rightfielder to have a good arm.

And Viciedo has that. Rios’ noodle had trouble hitting the cutoff man from center. Viciedo also only played rightfield and I think him being comfortable defensively is more important than Rios, considering he’s only played one season in the outfield. Rios to left, De Aza to center should solve any problems.

by polodude017 on Feb 15, 2012 9:05 AM CST up reply actions  

If Rios has a noodle arm

What did you consider Pierre’s arm? Cream of Wheat?

Well, boys, it's a round ball and a round bat and you got to hit the ball square. ~Joe Schultz, 1969

by zevsenesca on Feb 15, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Whatever is worse than a noodle.

Though Rios’ problem was really more accuracy last year. That or just not knowing where he should have been going with the ball.

by polodude017 on Feb 15, 2012 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Sideways.

We're all here because we're not all there.

by winningugly on Feb 16, 2012 8:24 AM CST up reply actions  

yep

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, 1/2 pack of cigarettes...it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.

by lastof12 on Feb 16, 2012 9:26 AM CST up reply actions  

He prefers Right

Left field is the easiest to play.In the past Rios was always better than who ever was in left defensively.That is not the case now.

by Lil Jimmy on Feb 15, 2012 9:08 AM CST up reply actions  

I really dont give a damn what Rios wants at this point.

And they probably wont grade that different in defense anyway. Dayan in right, Rios in left.

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by Tdogg on Feb 15, 2012 9:19 AM CST up reply actions  

I've always envisioned him in RF...

but I would take LF as long as he is out of CF.

…or out of baseball. I would take that too.

"Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia" --- Charles Schultz

by Lanuters on Feb 15, 2012 9:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Probably because he used to play RF.

That doesn’t mean he should play RF again.

by polodude017 on Feb 15, 2012 9:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Don't worry

We can’t finish any lower than 5th place. Fukudome is better than Mark Kotsay!!

by soxfan50 on Feb 15, 2012 8:55 AM CST reply actions  

Somehow in the middle of my drunken stupor I missed this signing

FWIW

.262/.356/.396

Significant decreases in PX, bb%, OBP and Slg vs three-year averages shows that a decline has begun. Despite
an unfortunate hr/f, his limited power, reduced OBP, and ineffective speed (three years of bad SB%) have
cemented his role as fantasy filler. Don’t expect that to change.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Feb 15, 2012 9:03 AM CST reply actions  

If you look at what he was doing before the got traded to Cleveland.

His numbers look pretty much the same (apart from the ISO dropoff). Not sure if they’ll come back, but something definitely changed there.

by polodude017 on Feb 15, 2012 9:06 AM CST up reply actions  

sometimes after i draft 2 or 3 fantasy football or baseball teams

i check them out and realize i have fixated on a few of the same players and think hey maybe marshawn lynch wasnt such a good pick here and here or matt thornton might not have been a steal there…I wonder if KW ever reviews his player fixations and also whos next???

by ndsoxfan on Feb 15, 2012 9:28 AM CST reply actions  

So I don't think I've seen this posted at all.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/u-cellular-field-home-chicago-cubs-164911497.html;ylt=AqWPYaZ87V2dXAWumxCpFI5nYcB

Reading this article about the Cubs possibly shutting down Wrigley for a year for renovations and playing at the Cell. I assume this would add quite a bit of money to the coffers for Jerry? Right? Not sure how most of you who actually live in Chicago would take this.

by polodude017 on Feb 15, 2012 9:54 AM CST reply actions  

entertaining article

I love the chad and trixie dig.
If it brought some money to the Sox, I would be glad to have the cubs play on the Southside (because I know JR was waiting for my approval)

It’s taken years of practice to be such an asshole.
by Chiburb on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT

by rhythm on Feb 15, 2012 10:16 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I heard there is no way the cubs will play at the Cell and would rather play in Milwaukee.

thats what Kaplan said on CTL at least.

I think thats insane… but my guess would be they don’t want the fans to get used to how easy it is to get to the Cell, how nice it is to have parking lots even though you pay 20 bucks for it… etc.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Feb 15, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

This.

Having driven to a Cubs’ game, I will never complain about parking prices at U.S. Cellular.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Feb 15, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

oh i agree. i drove to a sox/cubs game... we were late to begin with

(got there in the top of the 2nd), didn’t get in the park until the bottom of the 5th due to parking. then lee hit a slam off of aardsma. i haven’t been there since.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Feb 15, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

PRO TIP (of limited utility):

Mrs. dr. lingerie resided at Sheffield and Addison for the entirety of our slow-burn courtship, and by far the best way to handle it is to just park under the L behind Sheffield and tell whatever bozo tries to charge you that you know he’s full of shit and you’ll call the cops on him. Those spots are CTA property; the guys standing around there have the same right to sell them as you do, and calling the cops or a tow truck draws attention and doesn’t exactly help their bottom line. It was also an occasional great source of $30 when necessary (we’d just park her car at my house for the day). This was back in the early-mid aughts, but given how entrenched a lot of the guys working area were (it was usually at least two generations of asshole), it wouldn’t shock me if it’s the same scenario.

by dr. lingerie on Feb 15, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

You can pee on a dude's lawn and have it be absorbed.

Worth the extra $10.

We're all here because we're not all there.

by winningugly on Feb 15, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions  

during a cubs sox game a few years ago

we had to pony up 50. Just wacko.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Feb 15, 2012 12:11 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Kaplan's a bozo.

Aren’t the Cubs trying to get financial backing from the state and/or city for this project? Playing in Milwaukee for a season and taking that revenue away from Chicago is not a good way to help their case.

"I considered throwing a volley, but since I'm considerably closer to Ford City than Dodge City, I figure it might have been misinterpreted."

by RWShow on Feb 15, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

The problem with Kaplan is that he is a dumbass

And rarely if ever knows what he is talking about

by 815Sox on Feb 15, 2012 4:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Who's next

As noted earlier that would be Tori Hunter

by Lil Jimmy on Feb 15, 2012 9:55 AM CST reply actions  

pinot says bat him leadoff!

“If you look at the top nine position players from last season, only Paul Konerko did a great job of avoiding outs. If I were Robin Venture, I’d give Kosuke the leadoff stop and challenge the rest of the team to move him from the top of the order.”

http://baseballmusings.com/?p=79002

so… who rides the pine?

by ruffster on Feb 15, 2012 9:57 AM CST reply actions  

duh, pinto....

wish we could fix typos in our posts

by ruffster on Feb 15, 2012 9:57 AM CST up reply actions  

If he can get one base at that .370 clip he's shown in the past, I wouldn't be averse to finding him more AB's.

Especially in the leadoff spot. Have to think it would be either Rios or De Aza taking a back seat depending on who is playing better.

by polodude017 on Feb 15, 2012 9:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Go Team Venture!!

"I'm holding out hope Reinsdorf can somehow use his amnesty clause on Rios"
-Duck99

by Hazymania on Feb 15, 2012 11:06 AM CST via Android app up reply actions  

i don't see how the aj video is fukudome's fault

split the gap, kosuke ran over and hit the cutoff man.

Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.

by KenWo4LiFe on Feb 15, 2012 10:24 AM CST reply actions  

took a podsroute

"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112

by BoeJouma on Feb 15, 2012 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm OK with Fook

As long as he stops that annoying whirling dervish, foot-in the-bucket, Ichiro-like bail out that I’ve seen him do so often.

by oahu420 on Feb 15, 2012 11:06 AM CST reply actions  

Isn't that pretty frequent with Japanese players?

Do not really see how you can fault him for it…

by 815Sox on Feb 15, 2012 4:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Have you seen the movie Cube?

It’s pretty intense.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Feb 15, 2012 6:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I did... I think it's a Canadian movie

I remember I wasn’t ready to see that intensity….

For 2012 season: ALEX RIOS is my new TONY PENA.

by JofpGallagher on Feb 15, 2012 7:57 PM CST up reply actions  

It is Canadian.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Feb 15, 2012 8:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I like the Saw movies...up to the 3rd

Alex Rios is as intense as The Bridges Of Madison County

For 2012 season: ALEX RIOS is my new TONY PENA.

by JofpGallagher on Feb 15, 2012 8:29 PM CST up reply actions  

No no no

He’s like rich bambi does chicago

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Feb 15, 2012 9:12 PM CST up reply actions  

oh man. enough. tell him to get his shinebox once.

you’re becoming an SSS bully to the guy.

Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.

by MarketMaker on Feb 15, 2012 11:30 PM CST up reply actions  

but he is just so objectionable!

i will attempt to go two weeks without replying to him though.

by craigws on Feb 16, 2012 12:26 AM CST via Android app up reply actions  

GoodFellas.

See it. Live it. Be it.

We're all here because we're not all there.

by winningugly on Feb 16, 2012 8:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Shine box

Goes back.Kids in the city would have a box filled with polish and rags and offer to shine your shoes.The customer places his foot on the box and the kid buffs and shines his shoes.

by Lil Jimmy on Feb 16, 2012 8:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks...that's the part I knew though.

I was more interested in knowing why MM used it as an expression above. I will google it later…thanks.

For 2012 season: ALEX RIOS is my new TONY PENA.

by JofpGallagher on Feb 16, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Watch this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oP1NMB_I0s

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Feb 16, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks...i think I get it.

For 2012 season: ALEX RIOS is my new TONY PENA.

by JofpGallagher on Feb 17, 2012 5:59 AM CST up reply actions  

I just realized I misread the title to this piece.

Thought it said “Ruination of Kosoke Fukudome”. My mistake.

We're all here because we're not all there.

by winningugly on Feb 16, 2012 8:26 AM CST reply actions  

Meh..

As much as it makes me queasy bringing in ex cubs(though at least one of those worked out as a long term solution) this really isn’t that bad of a deal. Got a guy on the cheap who can hit(so long as he isn’t forced to play more than 1/3 to 1/2 of a season) and can “fill in” emergency style for the outfield..his defense is horrendous..but sadly I’ve seen worse.

by Pretender85 on Feb 16, 2012 9:12 PM CST reply actions  

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