White Sox Spring Training Preview
We made it! After a long winter, the bats are going to crack and the mitts are going to pop. This offseason has seen some of the biggest names in baseball switch teams. Unfortunately the only one that involves the White Sox is Mark Buehrle leaving for the Marlins. Its alright though. Hope springs eternal. If enough things fall into place maybe the Sox can have a magical season. I thought they were going to be terrible heading into 2005 and then they won the World Series, so you never know.
Departures: Ozzie Guillen, Joey Cora, Greg Walker, Jeff Cox, Mark Buehrle, Sergio Santos, Jason Frasor, Tony Pena, Carlos Quentin, Juan Pierre, Ramon Castro, Donny Lucy, Omar Vizquel
Arrivals: Robin Ventura, Mark Parent, Jeff Manto, Joe McEwing, Nestor Molina, Simon Castro, Pedro Hernandez, Jose Quintana, Donnie Veal, Jhan Martinez, Osvaldo Martinez, Kosuke Fukudome, Dan Johnson
Probable Roster:
SP: John Danks, Jake Peavy, Gavin Floyd, Chris Sale, Philip Humber
RP: Matt Thornton, Jesse Crain, Will Ohman, Addison Reed
C: A.J. Pierzynski, Tyler Flowers
INF: Paul Konerko, Gordon Beckham, Alexei Ramirez, Brent Morel, Adam Dunn
OF: Alejandro De Aza, Alex Rios, Dayan Viciedo, Kosuke Fukudome, Brent Lillibridge
Open Roster Spots:
Assuming the Sox go north with 12 pitchers, 3 bullpen spots will be open. The main contenders for those spots are Dylan Axelrod, Zach Stewart, Brian Bruney, Jhan Martinez, Hector Santiago, Donnie Veal, Gregory Infante
That would leave open one utility spot, probably infield between Eduardo Escobar and Osvaldo Martinez.
Top Story Lines:
Ventura's managerial style - It will be interesting to see how Robin and the new coaching staff handle things. Mark Parent said in the conference call with season ticket holders that a quick start would be huge this season and that includes spring training. The Sox have been bad in spring training in recent years. While a good Spring record promises nothing and a bad one doesn't mean much, it could give them some confidence heading into April.
Dunn and Rios - If the Sox intend to surprise some people, these two are obviously going to have to give us a lot more than what they gave last year. A quick start in spring would be great for their psyche.
Peavy's health- Can Jake Peavy finally give us a full healthy season?
Sale's move to the rotation - After being a dominant late inning reliever, Chris Sale moves into the starting rotation. How will he handle the extra work load? How is his change up?
De Aza and Viciedo - Are these two guys ready to play 135+ games in the majors? De Aza was great from his first game up until the end of the year last year. While he clearly won't keep up on that torrid pace, can he produce enough to be an everyday player? Viciedo killed the ball last spring and dominated AAA pitching until his call up. After a great first game, he struggled at the plate. Can he replace Quentin? Seeing that all three of our starting outfielders and the DH have questions makes the signing of Kosuke Fukudome that much better.
Closer - It will be interesting to see how Ventura and Cooper handle the closer role. Will Addison Reed grab that role out of Spring? Will Thornton be given another shot after last season? Is Jesse Crain going to be the transitional closer allowing Reed to set up?
Dr. Phil- Can Humber build on last year? He came out of nowhere to do a formidable job for the Sox. Was it a fluke or did he find his stuff?
Beckham - Is he going to be a glove only player or is he going to rekindle the offense that made him the Savior in 2009?
This team obviously has a lot of question marks and the organization isn't even kiddie pool deep. I do look forward to seeing some of these questions get answered though. If all of the answers turn out to be the correct ones it could be a fun year. On MLB network the other day, they were discussing what team could surprise the Tigers and 2 of the 3 panelists (Mike Lowell and I believe Sean Casey) chose the Sox (Dan Plesac went with KC). There is talent here. It has been severely underperforming talent, but talent nonetheless. Maybe new voices in the clubhouse can get it out of them.
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There've only been 17 votes.
Calm down.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
this poll is bullshit
hanging chads and whatnot
by Shoeless In SC on Feb 19, 2012 12:54 AM CST up reply actions
peavy has already had a pretty good career.
de aza has not, and a lot of that has to do with his being injury-prone.
i'm kind of surprised de aza is winning at this point...
viciedo is the much surer bet IMO
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
yep. i don't trust a guy thats 28 and never played full time before.
i like what i saw from de aza last year. i don’t trust he can pull it off again though.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
but you trust a guy that's 23, with plate discipline and defense issues, that's had fewer plate appearances?
ooooookay.
by Shoeless In SC on Feb 19, 2012 7:47 AM CST up reply actions
yep. he's got a special bat. i'm not big into plate discipline.
in 2010 when he was making good contact… there arent many people that could hit the ball like that. i can think of frank thomas, albert belle and jose canseco.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
I agree with you 100.000000%
I voted for De Aza….He’s got the lead as I type this…
For 2012 season: ALEX RIOS is my new TONY PENA.
by JofpGallagher on Feb 18, 2012 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
as the lead off man i voted for him
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
Use em and throw em away, see a pro a day is essential. If you want a piece of the rock, trick, go to Prudential
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 19, 2012 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
I voted for Morel but maybe it didn't register?
Huh.
"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."
John Kenneth Galbraith
by Chiburb on Feb 18, 2012 3:03 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Wow. Pretty evenly split except for the hopelessness of Rios.
Which means he is the one.
We're all here because we're not all there.
He's got 3 votes thus far...I wonder if he is an incognito registered member here.
For 2012 season: ALEX RIOS is my new TONY PENA.
by JofpGallagher on Feb 18, 2012 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
My kid is doing her Black History Month homework.
Chose Jackie Robinson. What a great kid.
We're all here because we're not all there.
that WOULD be a fun thesis
"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112
adam dunn.
"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112
Dunn
Almost impossible to have another season as shitty as last year. I think he will rebound to his .240, 30hr(probably won’t mash 40 again). If Peavy is able to rebound, he will be a good asset for this year, and hell, if he does well enough, might be able to net some prospects at the deadline.
Seriously, where is Jerry Owens?
"That baseball is the smartest thing out on that field." —Hawk Harrelson
by mikecws91 on Feb 18, 2012 4:31 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Sorry, mike, only The Actual El Guapo gets to play this in a large way, I guess.
At least it’s green.
We're all here because we're not all there.
This has probably been brought up elsewhere
but with all the hand-wringing going on about the sad state of the White Sox farm system going on, why isn’t more being made about the fact that nearly 1/3 of the opening day roster will consist of recent graduates of said farm system? Or is it, and I’m missing it?
Reed, Viciedo, Sale, Morel, Flowers, De Aza and whichever bp and utility players go north with the team.
I understand that the system lack(ed)s depth, and it wasn’t anywhere near the top of the rankings, but graduating that many players to a 25 man in a year is going to have some affect and take some time to restock, no? Or am I missing the point?
"I'm holding out hope Reinsdorf can somehow use his amnesty clause on Rios"
-Duck99
they don't take graduates into account when ranking the system
plus i don’t think most are too impressed with the guys that graduated. some consider sale and reed relievers, flowers lost a lot of his luster, de aza really isn’t a prospect anymore…
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
It depends on what value you put on "graduating" baseball players...
not sure how to compare graduating Addisones to graduating Helilicksons…. or graduating Morels to graduating Lawries….
Calling up a lot of players to the majors cannot be interpreted as a deep farm system
For 2012 season: ALEX RIOS is my new TONY PENA.
by JofpGallagher on Feb 18, 2012 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
They all remind me of Pierre.
"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."
John Kenneth Galbraith
by Chiburb on Feb 18, 2012 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Haha..very witty....I am starting to regret saying that :p
For 2012 season: ALEX RIOS is my new TONY PENA.
by JofpGallagher on Feb 18, 2012 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
Your face is reminds me of pierre's address
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
by Rhubarb on Feb 18, 2012 9:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
not sure what this means, but i'm reccing it anyway
by Shoeless In SC on Feb 19, 2012 12:48 AM CST up reply actions
If you uncover the meaning of it, please let me know....
Unlike you, I am not doing that anyway.
For 2012 season: ALEX RIOS is my new TONY PENA.
by JofpGallagher on Feb 19, 2012 8:27 AM CST up reply actions
Is this better?
Your address reminds me of Pierre’s face
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
Grammatically speaking, yes, it is.
For 2012 season: ALEX RIOS is my new TONY PENA.
by JofpGallagher on Feb 19, 2012 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
Lilli misses him
I don’t…
For 2012 season: ALEX RIOS is my new TONY PENA.
by JofpGallagher on Feb 19, 2012 6:12 PM CST up reply actions
i think i mentioned this
but the couple times i went, i saw all the young kids on the team warming up with him and following his lead re: preparation.
So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.
the recent success of the farm system in graduating players was discussed in the preamble of my top prospects list.
on the second point, don’t get bogged down with farm system rankings. the farm system stinks. it stunk last year when those guys were on the list (de aza, of course, wasn’t eligible). the only thing that actually matters about the rating of farm systems is whether it’s really good or really bad. if your farm system is really good, it’s going to be hard for it to not eventually produce quite a few solid to elite players. if your farm system is really bad, it’s going to be hard for it to eventually produce very many solid to elite players. if your farm system is one of the many in the middle, it’s anybody’s guess what it will actually turn out to be. it’s going to take a lot to get the white sox farm into the middle.
by larry on Feb 18, 2012 5:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
fuck our farm system
charlotte and birmingham ain’t ever gonna win any championships. and who gives a fuck if they do? it’s all about the big league club and what have you done for me lately. Lately, it’s been Viciedo, Morel and Reed. Before that it was Beckham and Sale. I’m satisfied with that.
by Shoeless In SC on Feb 19, 2012 12:51 AM CST up reply actions
I'd wait until 3-4 of those players become average MLB contributors
Before calling anything a success. Right now, none of them are (if we’re looking at Sale as a starter, and not a reliever). The Sox have been able to produce guys, but they haven’t finished them.
by Jim Margalus on Feb 19, 2012 1:26 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
does hudson count, or did the white sox miss something that arizona did to 'finish' him (in a totally non-mortal kombat sorta way)?
If nothing else, Arizona gave him time
Hudson’s name was involved in trade rumors after his first start of 2010. He succeeded immediately after the trade, and I think being allowed to fail had something to do with it.
I also remember being confused by AJ’s pitch-calling, but not having watched Hudson’s AZ starts that closely, I don’t have much to compare it to.
by Jim Margalus on Feb 19, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
Arizona wasn't contending at that time
Lot less pressure than the White Sox who were fighting for a playoff spot….Well thats my guess anyway
Wow, okay. You're satisfied with Beckham, the 2nd-worst regular 2B in baseball last year?
On top of what Jim said, if one of the aforementioned (or anyone on the 25-man, for that matter) gets injured? What then?
I’m gonna chalk this one up to a time-stamp issue.
The lords of dawn are men such as Mr. Lucy.
i've said before that this place should require a breathalyzer to log in.
that said, with beckham the talent was there.
throw in the hudson and holmberg for jackson trade and poreda et al. for peavy trade, and santos, and it looks like our system is doing okay. poreda and the others in that trade, can’t think of em right now, aren’t major leaguers now but they were used to acquire a very good one.
by Shoeless In SC on Feb 19, 2012 7:44 AM CST up reply actions
I just realized today that I somehow now get CSN Chicago despite living in DC.
Needless to say I am very excited for baseball season.
yeah Comcast shares all their networks if you live in the markets
i’ve noticed Sharks games on in DC and was like WTF? but I have always lived in a Fox/New York market so I dont know if its only for hockey or do they let you pillage on the baseball too
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
Use em and throw em away, see a pro a day is essential. If you want a piece of the rock, trick, go to Prudential
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 19, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
Ok...
Im assuming Dunn has that many more votes than Rios because it’d be nearly impossible for Dunn to play any worse than he did last season.
RE-READ THE QUESTION.
It is not “who is likely to succeed.” It is “who is MOST likely to succeed.” It is a comparison. Though I expect Dunn, Rios, and Peavy to all be better, I don’t expect any to be what I would call “successful” given their salaries. I would call Beckham successful if he’d hit just .275, and while the probability is halfway decent, I wouldn’t call it likely. However, I think both Viciedo and DeAza are likely to have successful seasons, in part because the bar is not set that high. 25 HR would be success for Viciedo, as long as he is not a butcher in the field. And a .350 OBP for De Aza would make him a viable replacement for Pierre. That, in my mind, is the MOST likely.



























