Reading Room: White Sox coaches come forward
It's not going to be the College of Coaches, but after eight years of The Ozzie Guillen Show, it seems like Robin Ventura is going to allow the members of his staff to showcase their personalities.
For instance, during SoxFest weekend, Ventura knows he's going to have to rely on Don Cooper. In turn, Cooper asserted his clout by reacting somewhat snippily to the suggestion that Matt Thornton was the front-runner ... not knowing that Ventura made the suggestion. And even then, he was skeptical.
Now you have Mark Parent, who made waves during SoxFest with his "Chicago Way" comments about HBPs, which provoked garden-variety well-I-never commentary from those who are unaware of just how many lumps the Sox have taken. His philosophy involves more than Hammurabi's Code, as he told Mark Gonzales:
"It's something that needs to be done here," Parent, the White Sox's new bench coach, said of the uniformity of fundamentals that was stressed throughout the Orioles organization and helped make the club perennial postseason contenders from the mid-1960s to the early 1980s. Those teams were taught by longtime teachers like manager Earl Weaver and the late Ripken.
"The last couple of years (the Sox) have got too big of a separation between the major leagues and the minor leagues," Parent said. "The minor leagues weren't on the same page. They weren't doing the same things they were doing in Chicago."
This isn't the first time we've heard this -- somebody mentioned the lack of continuity late in the season, and it might have been Ozzie Guillen. Alas, I'm not coming up with the link. But I like that we're hearing it again, and in reference to a team that isn't the White Sox.
One of the reasons Dave Martinez was a popular fellow during the managerial search was that, at least in theory, he would bring a different set of player-development values to the table. And one of the reasons Robin Ventura's hiring was somewhat of a letdown was because the White Sox had spent the previous nine years with White Sox infielders in leadership roles (longer if you count Kenny Williams as an infielder, and few do), and that formula had grown stale.
But Parent has different ideals, and they seem to address the White Sox's most frustrating deficiencies. And while it's just talk, Guillen couldn't even get that part right towards the end.
Now, as Parent and Cooper mark their territories, it will be interesting to see how Ventura positions himself. So far, he's mostly played the role of neutralizer, bringing the extreme sentiments more towards the middle. Maybe he'll deputize his coaching staff and prefer to sit back and act as a harmonizing force, but at some point, he's going to have to make his vision known. Given the strong opinions espoused by Cooper and Parent, it seems to me like he could run the risk of stepping on their ... toes.

Christian Marrero Reading Room
- Johnson grateful for shot with Chicago White Sox - chicagotribune.com
- Johnson "shooting for stars" with White Sox - suntimes.com
Man, I don't ever remember Brad Eldred getting this kind of press.
During SoxFest, Ken tweeted that Doug Laumann made it to Chicago in between trips to Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic. Gonzales adds to a little context to what Laumann and Marco Paddy are trying to accomplish.
James looks at the various standings projections, none of which are optimistic about the White Sox's chances. I'm more curious as to why James is bathing a fish.
Now that he's got his statue on the concourse, Frank Thomas wants to sell his beer next to it.
I found this Scott Merkin article kind of funny, especially after SoxFest panelists said that chemistry is a byproduct of winning, and even then, you can win without it.
Chuck Garfien talks to Neal Cotts and Cliff Politte, and how they came from very different places to produce career years out of the White Sox bullpen in 2005.
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not to totally miss the point...
but I like the bit in the first tribune article suggesting Adam Dunn will be playing third.
by kwiell on Feb 2, 2012 6:25 AM CST via Android app reply actions
I think you misread
I find it disturbing that Johnson is a Minnesota native.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
I read it twice just to make sure there wasn't a fnord
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
"Bathing a fish."
Excellent. “Toes.” Excellent. BHB – not excellent.
We're all here because we're not all there.
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Arent they a direct indictment on Buddy Bell… minors and majors as an organization not being anywhere near on the same page.
I hated the buddy bell hire when it happened, I still hate it now when our farm system is in absolute shambles, this guy has always been a loser, around losing teams, LOSING, all he does is flap his gums with big talk and he delivers nothing. The whitesox saw fit to promote them though, figures.
You're making a few connections I wouldn't.
by Jim Margalus on Feb 2, 2012 8:57 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
maybe
but if your the director of the minor leagues, and the minor leagues arent playing in the fashion that the big league organization wants them too…. who is at fault?
You're assuming that Parent is spot on in his analysis.
He’s not. The problem in the White Sox organization isn’t a lack of a coherent “White Sox culture,” it’s a lack of talent top to bottom.
by Craig Grebeck on Feb 2, 2012 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
I'm with you on this
Always hitting the cut off man can’t make up for limited ability.
Yup.
If the White Sox spent more than … well, the least … on the draft and international markets, it’s a lot easier to point fingers at development. But this seems to be the way to talk around a lack of talent. I’d also guess that if the manager and general manager are in a cold war, this is something that could be lost in the turmoil.
What I’m taking away from it is a hope that the Sox start taking cheap talent more seriously all the way up the ladder. It seems the CBA will give them every opportunity to do so.
by Jim Margalus on Feb 2, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
Yes indeed. And I'm inclined to give credit to the idea that they were seriously hurt internationally by the Wilder stuff.
And am I the only one who feels like that story has gone slightly underreported both in Chicago and on a national level?*
*Forgive me if this is off-base—extreme head-cold thinking.
by Craig Grebeck on Feb 2, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
Bell could take partial blame for organizational discord but really despite our farm system being in shambles
we have had players up from the farm that have contributed in one way or another. Bell isn’t the one making trades or deciding who to draft. You are obviously very emotional about your dislike for Bell which kind of makes me discount your opinion of him because you are basing his current worth on his playing and managing career. You seem to think he is a bad luck charm and any organization that employs him is bound to fail. Don’t you think that is a little unreasonable considering you don’t know the man or what he does on a daily basis?
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
by Rhubarb on Feb 2, 2012 9:34 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
How the hell would Parent know this?
""The last couple of years (the Sox) have got too big of a separation between the major leagues and the minor leagues," Parent said. “The minor leagues weren’t on the same page. They weren’t doing the same things they were doing in Chicago.”
And even if true, how did the “different pages” manifest in Chicago? Any examples off the top of your head(s)?
"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."
John Kenneth Galbraith
There must have been internal discussions on the subject
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
The article says that's what Buddy Bell told him.
by Jim Margalus on Feb 2, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
Ah. So he isn't throwing Bell under the bus.
I can go back to sleep now.
"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."
John Kenneth Galbraith
if bell knows the problem
why the hell has he done nothing to fix it, he has been here a while now….
Because like turning a ship around, these things take time.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Fix what? Lack of talent? What example do YOU see of a minor leaguer being out of sync or ill prepared when arriving in Chi?
"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."
John Kenneth Galbraith
indeed.
as i pointed out recently, the farm is graduating more players to the majors in the last, say, three years than it did in the preceding three years. the last time the projected starting lineup included four players who spent significant time in the white sox minor league system was 2004. sure as shit looks like fixing a problem to me.
it would be lovely if they could get some star type players but you have to acquire star type talent to do that. the star type talent the white sox have acquired since buddy bell took over pretty much consists of gordon beckham, dayan viciedo, chris sale, jared mitchell, trayce thompson and keenyn walker. the first three are in the majors. the latter three wouldn’t be expected to be in the majors. only mitchell could reasonably be considered a fuck-up at this point. many have high hopes for viciedo, we’ll see. beckham has been discussed here. sale is a special case that can’t be attributed to the minors. you can also add in daniel hudson, brent morel, alejandro de aza, sergio santos and brent lillibridge, to varying degrees.
with what he’s had, bell and his staff seem to be doing just fine.
by larry on Feb 2, 2012 6:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Jared Mitchell was injured
and was kicking absolute ass when he went down. “Fuck up” is yours, sir.
We're all here because we're not all there.
as we've gone over many times, a 30% strikeout rate is rather far from kicking absolute ass.
as for fuck up, i’m not the one who needlessly put him in a spring training game because the white sox wanted to split some bucks from a game in vegas.
Just twist the knife.
He was improving a ton. He was.
Sigh.
We're all here because we're not all there.
on mlbtr right now about paulie retiring at contract's end
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/02/paul-konerko-talks-next-contract.html
trying this mobile, hope it works
"I'm holding out hope Reinsdorf can somehow use his amnesty clause on Rios"
-Duck99
by Hazymania on Feb 2, 2012 9:13 AM CST via Android app reply actions
like that the one time mark buehrle retired
for 4 years and 58 million dollars in miami
by ndsoxfan on Feb 2, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The Sox should offer to sell you five BHB 24-ouncers for something like fifty bucks.
If after having drunk two of those behemoths your skills seem diminished, however, they reserve the right to serve you your remaining beer in smaller portions over the next several years.
Your SoxFest coverage was terrific.
by Secret Chimp on Feb 2, 2012 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
i thought you don't drink at games
so as to avoid having to use the toilet multiple times throughout the game.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
He drinks from the toilet?
Hence his preferred beer choices.
We're all here because we're not all there.
by winningugly on Feb 2, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
yah yah... all of you probably never tried bud light lime. its good.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
No.
No it’s not.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
by U-God on Feb 2, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
yeah, no
i’d rather drink it than regular bud, but that’s like saying i’d rather eat at chili’s over applebees.
DUNK HIS ASS
by obnoxious american on Feb 2, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
I drank three Bud Light Platinums last night during a poker game
I think I like the taste of it better than regular Bud Light but that is not saying much and they are 6% rather than 4.2%, so in theory the Platinum is “lighter” because you don’t have to drink 10 to catch a buzz.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
at a resort in mexico I drank beer mixed with a good bit of lime juice (maybe 1/3)
which was light and refreshing and nice for a beach, but I wouldn’t refer to it as a beer.
Sounds like a douche.
Mmmmm. Mexican douche on a beach. I believe I have the next new “happening” drink name.
We're all here because we're not all there.
by winningugly on Feb 2, 2012 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i don't.
but if frank was selling his beer id take him up on it during a rally situation
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
His fish has some sort of growth on its head.
I know this because he’s asked me about it.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
edwin signs a 1 year deal?
weird?
DUNK HIS ASS
by obnoxious american on Feb 2, 2012 1:21 PM CST reply actions
According to SI.com
“Rizzo also said on the conference call that Washington believes Jackson had a flaw in his full wind-up that allowed hitters to see the ball particularly well out of his hand, according to the Washington Post.
Indeed, last year Jackson had an anomalous season in which he was far worse with no one on base (when he’d use the full wind-up) than with runners on (when he’d pitch out of the stretch).
In 2011 Jackson allowed a .339 average, .390 on-base percentage and .478 slugging percentage with the bases empty, effectively turning every hitter into someone slightly better than Texas’ MVP candidate Michael Young (whose batting line last year was .338/.380/.474).
With at least one runner on base, however, Jackson shut down opponents, allowing a meager .239/.292/.373 batting line, effectively turning hitters into someone slightly worse than A’s catcher Kurt Suzuki (.237/.301/.385).
In contrast, the major-league average of all 2011 pitchers was a .251/.312/.396 opponents’ batting line with no one on base and a .261/.332/.403 line with at least one runner on. Historically, that has always been the case that pitchers are better with the bases empty than with runners on. Perhaps all Jackson needs to do is change his delivery or even pitch out of the stretch at all times, like many relievers do.” http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/joe_lemire/02/02/edwin.jackson.nationals/index.html#ixzz1lHq9233x
How did Coop not figure this out?
by ceverettsdinosaurs on Feb 2, 2012 9:42 PM CST reply actions

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