Reading Room: White Sox Pitchers and Catchers Eve
by Jim Margalus on Feb 22, 2012 6:01 AM CST
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Big ups to J.J. for alerting me to the above awesome cartoon of Comiskey Park in The Sporting News somewhere around 1946 or 1947. There are a lot of neat details in the full version.
Since we're just one day away from White Sox baseball players doing organized baseball things on a baseball field for the first time all year, we'll try to keep spirits light, starting with...
Jerod Morris finds seven reasons to look forward to the upcoming season, with the simple premise, "Our GM seems to throw logic and reason out the window when analyzing his team. Why can’t we?"
"Now is not the time for rationalization, it's the time for ENTHUSIASM." Yeeeeeeaaaaah! That's what James is all about, as he looks back at Gavin Floyd's first great game for the Sox on April 12, 2008.
Let's keep it going, gang! Jake Peavy and Brent Lillibridge will show up to Glendale in full working order after their seasons ended prematurely. Plus, there's this:
Over the last 10 seasons, the Sox have used the DL the fewest times (84) and fewest days (3,527) among AL teams. The major league average for days lost to the DL in the last 10 years is 8,506.
Mark Gonzales gets some insight on Chris Sale's jump to the rotation by talking with Dave Righetti, another lefty who had success as a starter and a reliever. Righetti went in the opposite direction as Sale, so it's not quite the same, but there's some good stuff in here.
Roland Hemond and Bill Melton describe the greatness and uniqueness of Dick Allen, as well as Allen's role in helping save the White Sox over a pivotal three-year stretch in the early 1970s.
Addison Reed rolls in at No. 66, which is 15 spots higher than Baseball Prospectus ranked him on its list of 101 prospects. I thought No. 81 sounded fair, so No. 66 is gravy.
Paul Konerko says of Ozzie Guillen's tenure:
"It's been a success, but it also ran its course -- with Ozzie and the organization. It was time to move on, and he's going be happy where he's at [in Miami]. It will be interesting to see what Robin, Joe Mac and Mark Parent bring. It's been a slow, steady decline so this needed to happen. That's sports, it happens a million times, we just have to build it back up and get it right."
And finally...
Mully and Hanley briefly discussed the "pounds of muscle" post on Tuesday's show. Skip to the 23:20 mark.
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i agree with much of what the MSF article says.
except that he hopes paulie breaks franks home run record. that would be a fucking travesty. i’m still getting over the fact that he’s higher on the list than harold baines.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
I love Frank, but...
Over time Paulie has grown on me with his relentless goodness, and over time I’ve accumulated more memories of him than Big Frank. Part of this may be that I came of age as a Sox fan a bit after Frank’s true heyday, and also because Paul’s stature as leader of a World Series champion really elevated him. It’s really more of a respect for Paul, and a hope that he continues playing well, than anything against Frank.
by Jerod Morris on Feb 22, 2012 6:29 AM CST up reply actions
as good as you think paulie is... frank was way better. it really isn't close.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
i get where you are coming from,
but if anyone was going to do it, i’d rather it was the world series-winning captain.
Of course
Believe me, I do not in any way think Paul is BETTER than Frank. The Big Hurt is, far and away, the best hitter ever to suit up for Chicago. That isn’t even an argument. And it’s not even really a Paul v Frank argument. I mainly want to see Paulie break the record because it means he’ll have several more strong years from a power perspective. And if anyone is going to do it, I want it to be a guy who played the vast majority of his career with the White Sox and will (likely anyway) retire with the White Sox. It’s just a respect think for Paul, not a disrespect for Frank. Ultimately, I’m glad those two are 1-2. With Buehrle, they are my three favorite Sox ever.
by Jerod Morris on Feb 22, 2012 8:18 AM CST up reply actions
Why would it be such a travesty that Konerko break Thomas's homerun record?
It doesn’t mean Paulie is a better ball player.
Bulls Season
frank should always have that record dammit. it would be like if matt forte broke walter paytons record for the bears
or derrick rose scores more points than jordan.
its just not right.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Ok I see what you're saying I guess, really depends heavily on which era you grew up in.
I only saw the last 2-3 years of Franks career, while Paulie has been there throughout. I know Frank was a much better hitter a franchise icon, but it just wouldn’t bother me as much. However, I do see where you’re coming from.
Bulls Season
this really doesn't have anything to do with paulie.
id be saying the same if it was even one of “my guys” like carlos lee and magglio ordonez. it has more to do with frank should be number 1.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
I do see this reasoning
I guess I just don’t place that much emphasis on the home run record. Accumulation records have so much more to do with time, era, and other things that don’t necessarily coincide with impact and greatness. Frank is the greatest. Whether he has the HR record or not won’t impact that. Now if Paulie ever broke the OPS record… ;-)
by Jerod Morris on Feb 22, 2012 8:19 AM CST up reply actions
Shouldn't those things make you happy?
You’re team gained another player at that high of a production level. I’d be ecstatic if Forte turned out better than Payton or if Rose somehow outscored Jordan.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
by U-God on Feb 22, 2012 9:23 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
As he strolls through his shattered dreams he uses the crutch of nostalgia
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
1917 was great, wasn't it?
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Feb 22, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
no because then in 20 years i'll have morons telling me that paul konerko was better than frank thomas
or that forte was better than payton or rose was better than jordan. and then i’d have to choke them.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
In 20 years your hands will be arthritic
and you won’t be able to choke your own chicken, let alone someone’s neck.
We're all here because we're not all there.
Chicken Chocken
I think you can get a machine that does it for you.
No wonder you were in such a rush to find a new lady.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
by U-God on Feb 22, 2012 9:31 AM CST up reply actions 8 recs
If Rose or Forte could surpass those records in the same amount of time as their predecessors, then the argument could be made.
No one with any reasonable semblance of intelligence is going to argue Paulie was the better player if he finishes with more homeruns as a White Sox.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
the argument could never be made for rose.
i didn’t care enough about football to watch payton very much… but i have a feeling bear fans would say that argument couldn’t be made either.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Dude, come on.
You can’t root against the achievement just because some tard might make a bad argument. It doesn’t matter what someone else says. Be secure in your own belief.
I don’t expect to ever see a greater Bear than Walter, a greater Bull than Jordan, or a greater Sox than Frank. But I sure as fuck hope I do!
"Definitely typing challended today" - polodude017
hey i hope i do too.
but it isn’t konerko, rose or forte. i’ll let you know when i see it.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
there are people right now claiming kobe is better than jordan using the exact same argument.
people are fucking idiots. the latest is always the greatest.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
by MarketMaker on Feb 22, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Kobe is pretty damn good.
The Rose comparisons are ridiculous.
We're all here because we're not all there.
so are the kobe comparisons. he isn't even in shouting distance.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
I'd take a few Super Bowl wins and a couple NBA titles in exchange for some conversation 20 years from now
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Yeah, I'd rather see the teams I invest so much time in following win and field elite talent for the rest of my life.
Than cling to the memories of Jordan and 2005 forever.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 22, 2012 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
they can have elite talent
they just have to trade the guy one point/yard/dinger short of those records. then i’d be happy.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
is choking idiots really a bad thing?
just think, another twenty years from that you can be telling some choking-based blog community about how good your choke-grip way in your heyday.
by craigws on Feb 22, 2012 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
If frank didn't want his record broken
he probably should have hit more home runs
"I'm holding out hope Reinsdorf can somehow use his amnesty clause on Rios"
-Duck99
by Hazymania on Feb 22, 2012 2:46 PM CST via Android app up reply actions 6 recs
if baseball didn't go on strike he could have 550.
NAOPOS
by blackoutsox on Feb 22, 2012 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
naw he still played
on the other hand if Walker was fired earlier Konerko could have aged quicker. It works both ways so we’ll never really know.
NAOPOS
by blackoutsox on Feb 23, 2012 12:01 AM CST up reply actions
I would love to see that, in the case of Rose and Forte, because it likely means 'multiple championships for teams I love.'
I’m okay with that.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Feb 22, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
The best part about spring is the irrational optimism
Thanks for linking to the 7 Reasons For Optimism post Jim. Always appreciated. It was fun to put together, even if I couldn’t write it without some level of snark, considering one of the reasons for optimism is simply hoping for average production from the $26 million being paid to Dunn and Rios. But hey, it’s something!
Great job with all of the offseason coverage. I never thought I’d go to a baseball site every day even during the offseason, but you guys do a hell of a job here. A true treasure for White Sox fans.
I enjoyed your piece
Some priceless lines in there…..
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Thanks!
It was fun to write. I try to pride myself on maintaining snarky optimism even in the most trying of times. I feel it’s the greatest value I can bring to the fan base, and places slightly higher than Adam Dunn and Alex Rios in terms of overall value delivered.
by Jerod Morris on Feb 22, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
Nice article.
One minor beef. You said the White Sox starting pitching wasn’t great last year. FanGraphs had them at 20.2 fWAR which was second, only behind the Phillies. I would say that was great.
This space is available.
So Fangraphs is wrong and pitchers should all be evaluated based soley upon on runs allowed now?
This space is available.
i just called both of your arguments valid ones.
let me know how that translates into me telling you that “pitchers should all be evaluated based solely upon on runs allowed”. don’t waste my time because you can’t read.
You weren't being sarcastic?
This space is available.
You said they were average. And then you said he was right that the pitching staff was good
I’m confused and I read at like an 8th grade level
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The best part is when he tells him to not waste his time
Didn’t he reply to MrBungle in the first place? Bizarro.
if he thought the 'you' was singular and referring to him
he wouldn’t have asked me why i was supporting the other guys argument. i do enjoy giving out basic reading lessons.
You win, larry. Your writing is crystal clear and we are all functional illiterates
Here’s your cookie
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by joewho112 on Feb 22, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I would have sex with that cookie.
"Definitely typing challended today" - polodude017
by RWShow on Feb 22, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
We are SO close to baseball!
You can smell the breeding arrogance in the air!
I
We're all here because we're not all there.
Correct me if I'm wrong larry.
But I believe Fangraphs heavily weights FIPs when calculating WAR for pitchers. So this would make a stark contrast between that a ranking based on that number and a ranking for their ACTUAL number of runs allowed (ERA) possible.
So by team ERA (or what ACTUALLY happened) they were league average. But based on FIP, they were much better (which could predict better future results… or it could just mean they have a couple guys like Floyd and Peavy who’s FIPs tend to always be better than their ERA).
RA also isn't adjusted for park, etc.
i wasn’t using, and would never use, ERA.
they are stark. that’s why the best minds in analytics split the baby. if it’s good enough for them, i’m not going to do much different. the point is that saying the pitching wasn’t great is a valid statement, unless you are a fWAR fanatic. a reasonable argument could be made that the starting pitching was anywhere between great and average. i’d just put them in the middle of that and not spend the time arguing an unwinnable argument.
Sorry, I meant runs allowed not ERA.
But yeah, you’re point is valid, I follow.
I only brought up fWAR
since it seemed that Jerod was using ERA and W/L to justify his statement that the Sox starters were closer to being average than they were great and it was a convenient stat as any to show the pitchers, contrary to common perception, were actually pretty good last year. Were they as good as fWAR shows them to be? As you stated, maybe and maybe not.
This space is available.
Any piece including Dick Allen makes my day.
So, thanks. My day is made.
Now get off my lawn.
We're all here because we're not all there.
for y'all that never saw Dick Allen play
He was 5’11" about 190 used a 40 oz bat and could smack the shit out of the ball. Saw him hit a laser shot of the wall at Shea in ’75, Jorge Orta was on 2nd. The CF played it just right and Orta was a dead duck at home. That ball was absolutely scalded.
Sabermetrics hurt my head, just give me the facts.
Yes!
The Yanks played there for two years while their stadium was being renovated.
Sabermetrics hurt my head, just give me the facts.
So there is precedence for the Scrubs to play at The Cell.
The wild, wacky ’70’s.
We're all here because we're not all there.
Swapping was big then.
by FlyingSpaghettiMonster on Feb 22, 2012 11:46 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Peterson/Kekich. Even the dogs.
"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."
John Kenneth Galbraith
This comes highly recommended
if you were there.
We're all here because we're not all there.
by winningugly on Feb 22, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
If you can't be optimistic during spring training, when can you be optimistic?
There’s a school of thought in (practically all) internet commentary that if you are optimistic, hopeful, or content…you are either ignorant or pants on head stupid.
Do you read any economics blogs? All data, either positive or negative, is a sign that we are one step closer to eating pets and burning old people for fuel.
So, I agree with the reasons to be optimistic. The White Sox had to carry four boat anchors throughout the year…and they still won 79 games.
What?! I ain't no Professor Pickles!
by 67WMAQ on Feb 22, 2012 7:41 AM CST reply actions 8 recs
yep. i don't think its that big of a stretch for them to win in the upper 80s.
i’m not saying they are going to… but it is possible.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
LOL
This one was actually possible…
For 2012 season: ALEX RIOS is my new TONY PENA.
by JofpGallagher on Feb 23, 2012 6:13 AM CST up reply actions
Digging the optomism.
Can’t wait for ST to start. I think it’s unhealthy that I’m this excited about a season that, in all likelihood, isn’t headed anywhere.
Remember the White Sox history bro.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Someone break this record ...
In 1958, White Sox second baseman Nellie Fox set a record for playing in 98 consecutive games without striking out.
"Big Klu could hit 'em out of Yellowstone National Park."
he played 19 seasons and struck out 216 times.
never struck out 20 times in any season. walked more times than struck out every year he played except his last year in 1965 when he didn’t walk and struck out 2 times. maintained a pretty solid OBP.
totally different then a guy like aj who doesn’t strike out all too much, but walks even less.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Fox
Use to choke up later in the count.No strike could get past him.You don’t see this style of hitting anymore.
carl everett used to change his approach with 2 strikes.
not sure it was very successful. but he gave it an effort. haha
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Oh come on, that doesn't even exist.
"Don Cooper, to the O.R! We have a bleeder!" - SkanchoDanza
by homesickalien on Feb 22, 2012 4:12 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
He learned it from us
then betrayed us by denying our existence
by ceverettsdinosaurs on Feb 22, 2012 5:58 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
Joe Sewell - 14 seasons
8333 PA’s – 114 K’s
8.1 K/year
No one will ever break that record
Nellie Fox
11.3 K/year
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
Speaking on miracles
Everyone pretty much agrees that everything has to go right for the team to have a chance. I get a little depressed about that until I remember almost everything went wrong last year.
Luck also has to follow other teams (performance and health)
Pay attention to Cabrera this year in particular. With him playing some 3rd base my fearless prediction is he suffers an injury that causes him to miss significant time. Yes Prince will remain but every little bit helps.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
I thought he wasn't going to move to third until next year when Martinez is back
Who would DH when he is at third?
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they are saying cabrera is going to play 3rd this season.
delmon young is slated to be DH leaving them with a bunch of goofs to split time in LF
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
"A bunch of goofs in LF."
Did they sign our guys from 2006-11?
We're all here because we're not all there.
by winningugly on Feb 22, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That would be the Phillies
If they can pry Q away from the Pads, they’ll have the 3-pack!
dirks and kelly? id rather have pierre.
there is also talk of rayburn… but he’s also in the 2nd base mix
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
With an infield of Cabrera/Peralta/Raburn/Prince, they might need a new manager before the year is out
I think Porcello or Fister might wring Leyland’s neck if he runs that defense out behind them.
by Yinka Double Dare on Feb 22, 2012 4:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
They are likely going to be some kinda rotating DH
Cabrera, Young, and Prince will take most of the at-bats at DHing. Young and Cabrera will take the bulk of it.
For 2012 season: ALEX RIOS is my new TONY PENA.
by JofpGallagher on Feb 22, 2012 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Even still management is on record that Cabrera will play some 3rd.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
Detriot Pitchers
Very excited to have Cabera at third base I am sure.
Him at third with Peralta at short will be very fun to watch.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Yeah, but defense at first matters less than at short and third.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
not when you have butchers at 3B and SS
you’d probably want a defensive whiz over there to handle errant throws. Its going to be brutal.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
Cabrera was also bad at first, so it's not as big a drop off.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
it is when you make a bad fielding 1b be a 3b.
"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112
weird.
its not all too often when i am on the same side as rhubarb.
"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112
i feel funny
"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112
I'd say there's a difference between being a "defensive whiz" and being able to handle errant throws.
Konerko is probably below average to well below average defensively at first (in terms of range, etc), but he’s great at digging out throws. Not sure about Prince, haven’t watched him enough.
You, my friend,
are quite the taskmaster. Fuck man, can you ever just infer what someone means rather than make a pointless argument?
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
Gotta get these in before I get taint punched at the meth-up.
by polodude017 on Feb 22, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm a bit crunchy from last night's Fat Tuesday festivities so maybe I didn't choose my words right but
I was referring to the ability to dig throws out of the dirt, stretch off the bag for throws off line or jump in the air to take errant throws out of the air…when I meant defensive whiz. larry says Fielder is bad in Scoops and I don’t really seeing him being all that mobile out there considering his body type..
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
couple that with his horrible UZR (3rd worst since 2009! at 1B)
and the possibility of Cabrera manning the left side with Peralta and it could all be quite comical.
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
Detroit pitchers get the excitement from seeing’em hitting though!!!
For 2012 season: ALEX RIOS is my new TONY PENA.
by JofpGallagher on Feb 22, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
Man, did camera work used to suck,
http://www.fangraphs.com/not/index.php/video-dick-allen-hits-a-home-run/
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Jack Brickhouse was the announcer. "Richie." Eff "Richie". Dick.
The camera guys seemed to have had ADHD.
Thanks for this, U-G. The day just gets better and better.
We're all here because we're not all there.
by winningugly on Feb 22, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
The centerfield camera didn't come into use until the 70's.
Before then, the camera was mounted on the roof above home plate.
What?! I ain't no Professor Pickles!
curious why robin is dressed like bob cratchit here.
DUNK HIS ASS
by obnoxious american on Feb 22, 2012 11:00 AM CST reply actions
gold star!
the goodman theater puts on a christmas carol every year… this year ventura partnered up with white sox charities to take part in the play with a sick kid.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
by KenWo4LiFe on Feb 22, 2012 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
well you learn something new everyday.
DUNK HIS ASS
by obnoxious american on Feb 22, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
ive gone in years past. its a good production and really brings out the christmas spirit.
id recommend it to any of you heartless bastards that want konerko to break thomas’ record.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Next year...Willy Wonka!
With Brent Lillibridge as Charlie Bucket.
"I wouldn’t say I’m hitting five days a week…some weeks we won’t go at all." – Adam Dunn on his preparation routine for the 2012 season (1/24/12)
Because he's awesome!
Also, because he’s a wonderful human being who does things like this:
http://larrybrownsports.com/baseball/robin-ventura-acts-christmas-carol-play-wish/106193
by Jerod Morris on Feb 22, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
Last year I was extremely optimist with the Sox....
This year, I am just just just…hmmmm…just….
I am gonna borrow U-God’s gif above to describe it
For 2012 season: ALEX RIOS is my new TONY PENA.
you don't say!
It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity
by Rhubarb on Feb 22, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
this reminds me of ugod
"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112
Hey...three weeks remember!
Funny though…I even rec’ed it.
For 2012 season: ALEX RIOS is my new TONY PENA.
by JofpGallagher on Feb 22, 2012 6:28 PM CST up reply actions
Dick Allen
Gotta love Dick Allen…an old school masher.
Any chance he gets a HOF nod from whatever committee allowed Ron Santo in?
Quotes from and about Dick Allen:
• “Now I know why they boo Richie all the time. When he hits a home run, there’s no souvenir.” – Willie Stargell, after Allen once hit a home run over the left-center field roof of Philadelphia’s Connie Mack Stadium. (Baseball Digest, January 1975, p. 36)
• “Allen was scary at the plate. When he came up there, he had your attention. I want to forget a couple of line drives he hit off me, but I can’t because they almost killed me.” – Mickey Lolich
• “If a horse won’t eat it, I don’t want to play on it.” – His own quote regarding artificial turf
• “Bob Gibson was so mean he would knock you down and then meet you at home plate to see if you wanted to make something of it.” – His own quote
• “I can play anywhere; First, Third, Left field, anywhere but Philadelphia.” – His own quote
To Mike Schmidt before a game in 1976: “Mike, you’ve got to relax. You’ve got to have some fun. Remember when you were just a kid and you’d skip supper to play ball? You were having fun. Hey, with all the talent you’ve got, baseball ought to be fun. Enjoy it. Be a kid again.” Mike Schmidt responded by hitting four home runs in that game.
"I wouldn’t say I’m hitting five days a week…some weeks we won’t go at all." – Adam Dunn on his preparation routine for the 2012 season (1/24/12)
by tailgater on Feb 22, 2012 11:59 AM CST reply actions 5 recs
And all while smoking like a chimney.
I love the guy.
We're all here because we're not all there.
by winningugly on Feb 22, 2012 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
The thought of Santo being in the HOF before Dick Allen bums me out.
These quotes are great. Good job tailgater.
You thought this quote didn't deserve air time?
“You gotta be careful with your body. Your body is like a bar of soap. The more you use it, the more it wears down.”
We're all here because we're not all there.
It always seems like the White Sox are the last to report to ST
I guess the point is moot because its only pitchers and catchers
The position players are also scheduled to show up last.
In a tie with the Dodgers.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
When your spring training facility is bleeding financially
what the hell is the rush?
We're all here because we're not all there.
by winningugly on Feb 22, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
Could swear their profit was down re: Camelback article a few days ago.
Wasn’t that just reported? Or was it revenues.
We're all here because we're not all there.
They still made a profit, yes?
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Yeah, that profit arrow's direction is one every business embraces.
But continue.
We're all here because we're not all there.
true.
but i don’t think anyone would argue that a decline in revenue and profits shouldn’t have been expected after the opening season. it’s really the dodger side of things that’s the difference and i think it’s pretty reasonable to say that there were a lot of people who couldn’t fly across the country to dodgertown in the past who made the short trip to arizona in 2009. after that, you’re going to get closer to the very stable attendance numbers that the white sox, who have always been in arizona, have had.
But the 2009 numbers should be artificially depresssed also
because of the Great Recession. 2011 numbers should’ve blown away the 2009-10 numbers if all things were close to equal. You might also blame the Dodger ownership fiasco, too. It’ll be interesting to see how the numbers shake out with a stable Dodger organization and a stable economy.
And the Sox were in Sarasota for a long time (1960-1997). But I understand your point – they have a significant history in AZ.
We're all here because we're not all there.
i think people tend to overstate the effect of the recession on ticket sales, particularly for the shiny new things.
so the 2009 numbers could have been even higher. i don’t think that really changes my point.
i think the blame has more to do with the team not winning than simply the ownership per se. if the team were winning, it wouldn’t matter if hitler were the owner. get some excitement for the team and people will come. but that’s not a novel concept for any team’s spring training.
one other thing that gets missed in all of this.
is that the 2009 spring training was a week longer than usual because of the WBC and, consequently, more games were played. if you play less games and in a shorter timeframe, i don’t think it’s unusual for revenue to be down in the following years.
He's riding in with Adam Dunn
"I wouldn’t say I’m hitting five days a week…some weeks we won’t go at all." – Adam Dunn on his preparation routine for the 2012 season (1/24/12)
Hawk
Saw the Hawk at Spring Training a few years ago.In a cart and a big floppy straw hat.Hosest to God he looked like Mother Hubbard
by Lil Jimmy on Feb 22, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Dead honest
I did not recognize him until someone said there’s Hawk.Really could have been a big ugly old lady.
Ugly old men don't exist? Hosestly?
"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."
John Kenneth Galbraith
herm schneider lost 70 pounds of fat this offseason.
while i’m glad it’s less likely he will die on the field now, i’m disappointed he no longer will waddle.
Herm
Was always on a diet.If he acually the the weight then good for him.
Obviously not.
Bossard kidnapped him and plugged him in to a lypo machine while admonishing him. “STOP TRAMPLING MY FUCKING GRASS!”
"Definitely typing challended today" - polodude017
by RWShow on Feb 22, 2012 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Tell him to turn around. I think I found it.
"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."
John Kenneth Galbraith
by Chiburb on Feb 22, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If this now causes the White Sox players to now frequent the disabled list
I’m Federal Expressing his ass a big mac.
"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun
when?
"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112
After he closes on his house.
"Definitely typing challended today" - polodude017
by RWShow on Feb 23, 2012 8:43 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
mmmmm this.
"Don Cooper, to the O.R! We have a bleeder!" - SkanchoDanza
by homesickalien on Feb 22, 2012 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
When do the games start?
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
I see that even in 1946-47 they still found a way to get the anti-Cub jabs in.
All this time I had thought we were original.
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I feel like breaking out the Sox jersey tomorrow in celebration of Spring Training,
anyone else with me on that?
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